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==Suggestions==
 
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===Shrink the map===
===Quick Load===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Axemaniac johnson|Axemaniac johnson]] 23:32, 29 July 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' New Military Skill
|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Affects pistol wielding Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' It costs 1AP to reload a pistol if the player has a clip in his inventory, and my suggestion if for a Military Skill at the end of the Pistol Training tree where the player may learn Quick Load. This means that they can now reload their pistol without using 1AP. I see this as balanced as it comes at the end of the pistol tree so would not be usable straight away making the game too easy. It would cost 75xp for Military players, 100 for civ and 150 for Scientists. I feel that it would not work so well with the shotgun as most of those guns in reality are not so quick to reload as a small handgun. I mainly suggest this as I do not think it would hard for kevan to implement, nor do I feel it is gamebreaking as it would only be available to a player who had already spent a few hundred Xp getting the required prior skills to use it.
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
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====Discussion (Quick Load)====
====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
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===Rescue pull===
===Action Points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Shadok|Shadok ]] 11:32, 21 July 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' Balance
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' Newbie Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' I know it isn't recommended to suggest something which alters another player's position, but I've thought about this one.
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game.  I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
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====Discussion (Action Points)====
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We all know the zombie skill feeding drag. Drags out an injured survivor for the "Bahbahz".
===Drone===
But what about the "Bahbah" Survivors?
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I've played both sides, and I notice that until you join a metagame and a survivor group, you're alone.
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
As a newbie zombie, I just wondered around until I found a large horde, then grew at a MASSIVE rate.
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|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
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====Discussion (Drone)====
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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Now, the major problem I faced as a newbie survivor was EHBitching.
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' New item
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


To counter the problem of newbie survivors sitting outside helplessly, I propose a skill. "Rescue pull" (Draft name), which allows a survivor who has it to "rescue" another survivor who is sitting outside of a building.


Rescue pull: 100xp cost (Civilian skill)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?
This skill allows you to work with another survivor to enter a building which is normally too inaccessible to either of you alone.
(Both characters involved enter the building). Cost: 2AP for the puller. The puller cannot pull another player into a ruin.


Now, this skill won't kill those who Deathcult using EHBitching. It allows a higher level survivor to pull another into a building EVEN IF THE BUILDING IS HB.
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.
The exception is this: If a survivor is below level 5 or has less than 500 exp stored (to stop abuse) they can be pulled into a EHB building. (Be reasonable those of you who deathcult a lot. Would you like a game where your first day consisted of being beaten by the enemy?)


This skill would increase the survival of newbies who only JUST joined the game and encourage teamwork between survivors, a team which normally works solo and distrusts each other because of the PKer risk.


Those of you who PK, this also is a fun way to mess with someone.
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?
You rescue them from the horde. Then you shoot them dead. :P


Okay, time for the scary part, listening to the older players tearing down my suggestion XD
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.
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====Discussion (Rescue pull)====


First of all, have a cookie for using [[DS]]. Secondly. How does the experienced survivor get inside the HB building anyway? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:14, 21 July 2010 (BST)
: *Eats cookie* Obviously I didn't make it clear, but the experienced survivor and the newbie are both outside the building. The experienced survivor could obviously use freerunning to access the building via another route, but the newbie would be left outside to die otherwise. This version is actually my second version. The first one worked with one inside the building (via Freerun) and they could drag newbies from outside, but I realised that would create X-ray vision, so I scrapped it before even putting it on the wiki. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 13:32, 21 July 2010 (BST)
I like the general idea (and have often enough seen the troubles of stranded low-level survivors). However, it could be easily abused by zergers to counter overcading: Create a new survivor alt, move it to the building, and use it as a bridge for the main alt. To get around that, Rescue Pull should trigger zerg flags between the involved alts if they use the same IP, and automatically fail if it detects them. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 13:55, 21 July 2010 (BST)
:Didn't think of that, but I like that idea. It certainly solves the problem. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 14:03, 21 July 2010 (BST)
This is actually cheaper than using free running. Even assuming the building next door is vs or lower it costs 3AP to get in (1 move + 1 enter + 1 freerun) this seems like a shortcut  rather than an altruistic rescue skill. Mind you introduced with a "pyramid scheme" skill to allow zombie acrobatics to circumvent 'cades and i might say yes ;) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 16:37, 21 July 2010 (BST)
:These are survivors. They already go around barricades. Zombies have always had to break them down. Introducing a way for zeds to go past them would completely change the rules of how zombies work. As a zed player, I know I would love to get past those pesky 'cades, but as a survivor it would ruin the game. Also, you seem to have miscalculated. With this skill, you need to spend 1 to walk, 2 to enter, as opposed to the 1 needed to freerun to that same building. (Yes, it's the same amount if you haven't already entered, but if it's a HB building, you would not be in it anyway). [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 22:59, 21 July 2010 (BST)
::His math was sound. He was suggesting that you want to get into a building you are currently standing in front of. Presently, if the building were HB, you would need to travel a minimum of one block away (1AP), enter that building if it is VSB or lower (2AP total), and then travel back to the building where you wanted to be originally (3AP total). Contrast that with your method, where someone outside merely does a Rescue Pull and gets in with just 1AP. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:23, 22 July 2010 (BST)
:::2AP. The cost for the person pulling is TWO AP. But I see, I was thinking that the person was a block away from the "goal" building. Yes, this method would allow one less AP use. But honestly, 1 AP isn't going to make much of a dent on the zombie side and it means one more AP for the survivors to use. If it's preferred by the community, perhaps I could increase the cost to enter using rescue to 3AP; that way it costs the same?[[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 08:13, 22 July 2010 (BST)
::::1AP might not be all that much in the grand scheme of things but if the burb you are in is at siege then the chances are very good that you will waste a good 10AP just looking for an entry point. Not only that but you may not find one with a viable freerun route to your target building. When you consider that, your 2AP rescue to put 2 survivors into one desirable building is a good deal. add in the fact that those cades are currently impassable and you are getting a great deal. Now a skill that cost (say) 10AP to give a survivor a 50% chance to ignore heavy cades ''might'' be balanced, but this is simply unfixable. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 16:29, 22 July 2010 (BST)


So, if I'm understanding this correctly, if a survivor who has accrued less than 500XP or 5 levels is outside a building with any level of barricades, and another one with Rescue Pull comes up to them, the one with Rescue Pull can pull them both into the building? Honestly, I see this being primarily used for self-interest and abuse, rather than as intended, despite the fact that you actually did manage to head off the most grievous forms of abuse that might have occurred.
Please give your thoughts.


Off the top of my head, one big issue is that this allows people to access "islands" without having to break down the barricades first. There's also the fact that if you can pair up with someone, this allows you both to take straight paths between buildings, rather than having to twist and wind through a Free Running lane system that might be broken anyway, and then get two people into your destination building for the price of one. Also, if the so-called "vet" doesn't have Free Running, this allows them access to buildings they shouldn't otherwise have access to yet, though that's not a major issue. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:35, 21 July 2010 (BST)
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====Discussion (Backpack)====
:People are selfish. I expect that the older player would be selfish, but they also help the newbie in the process. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 02:36, 22 July 2010 (BST)
 
:I could change it so that Freerunning is a prerequisite, although I personally don't think that science classes need to have any more misery than they already have in terms of expensive skills. and pairing isn't as easy as it sounds, I've tried working with my friends to survive and we frequently ended up having to split up. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 22:59, 21 July 2010 (BST)
::There's still the issue of accessing islands that needs to be discussed. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:23, 22 July 2010 (BST)
:::Yeah, I'm open to suggestion on how to fix that. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 02:36, 22 July 2010 (BST)
 
I just really don't like the idea of a way to lessen the already-small number of street treats out there, especially since they're vital to raising a bahbah with any kind of pace. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:07, 21 July 2010 (BST)
:That's just it. I play both sides. My zombie reached level 20 at the same time as my human. The zombie was "born" a month and a half after the harman. My main source of food wasn't street treats. It was following groans and entering open buildings. This suggetion is aimed to help the bahbah HARMANZ. Most true newbies join the survivors. They get eaten. They quit. No new players to the game. Zeds need Bahhah to work efficiently and thus work as a team by reflex. The harmanz are alone from creation and often will work solo, even when in a team. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 02:36, 22 July 2010 (BST)
 
There are some differences, but I feel that you should know about this [[PR_Skill_New:_Survivor:_Civilian#Fireman.27s_Carry_.28Bring_12HP_Survivor_Indoors.29|Reviewed Suggestion]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:13, 22 July 2010 (BST)
:*Headdesk* There's always something which your work looks like a dupe of, isn't there? XD But like you said, it's not identical and the purpose of it is different. {{unsigned|Shadok}}
::But I kinda like the Fireman's Carry version a bit better, since it pulls in injured survivors instead of what could be fully healed survivors. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 12:23, 22 July 2010 (BST)
:::I suppose. But this is a developing suggestion. Perhaps I could put a HP limit on it. The only problem is that it becomes very dupish if I do that. Or I can ditch this one completely and it rots. However, I do think that fireman's carry seemed to require specific circumstances to use it for the carrier. If anyone remembers why it got four kill votes, I'd be interested to know why. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 12:40, 22 July 2010 (BST)
::::Original voting [[Suggestions/9th-Nov-2006#Fireman.27s_Carry_v2.0|here]].  Also, I found [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#Carry_Comrade|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#Drag_Survivor|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedDecember2005#Shove.2FDrag|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedFebruary2006#Drag_.28Revised.29|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedMay2006#Fireman.60s_Carry|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedMay2006#Carrying|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedOctober2006#Body_Carrying|this]], [[Suggestions/RejectedOctober2006#Body_Drag|this]], and [[Suggestions/21st-Oct-2006#Fireman.27s_Carry|this]], all of which can be used against your suggestions if you do not make any noticable differences. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 13:30, 22 July 2010 (BST)
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'''Subway Tunnels''' -  Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20100714 Subway Tunnels]].

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Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

Discussion (Shrink the map)

Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

Discussion (Action Points)

Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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