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== Editting User Pages ==
== API help ==
I was looking around at all the pages that call on the 5000 or so danger report templates, and I noticed that a lot of them were userpages.
Bob Moncrief sent me your way. I'm looking at building a bot to prowl the Danger Reports and mark them as "unknown" after several months. I was thinking of using the API to pull page data and parse it to determine when it was last signed. It would also do the same for the MPMs every 5 days and mark them as 'old' or 'unknown' as needed. Bob didn't want to just give me the link to the API, and I don't blame him, but to talk with you about this. {{unsigned|Reimannsum|19:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)}}
Since we're experiencing so much lag these days when the danger reports get updated, I was wondering if I could delete or disable the superfluous ones? Putting nowiki tags on them, with a little explanation that we disabled it because of performance issues and because they were unused. Problem is: they still are other peoples' user pages and I'm not sure what the wikipoliticians and wikilawyers would say about this, so any advice? {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 14:51, 18 June 2013 (BST)
:Sorry, but bots were never my area. From what I know, there isn’t a link to give you. Once you actually build a bot, a ‘crat can assign it bot permissions, but otherwise there’s not much more to it than Googling around to see how to actually build it. If [[User:Revenant|Revenant]] is around, he can probably point you in the direction of folks who have experience making bots. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
:The lag isn't from them. The lag is from the Danger Center needing to re-grab all 5000 templates every single time a single one of them changes, since the cache for the page needs to be recreated. Right now, updating a danger report might kick off, say, 5000 updates for the Danger Center and another 10 updates for the other pages mentioning that danger report, giving us a total of 5010 updates to do. Quite obviously, removing the 10 won't have a significant impact on performance. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:11, 18 June 2013 (BST)
::Quite a lot of the pages I'm talking about are like [[User:Kelenius/Dakerstown Status Map|this one]], and call on about 50 everytime a single one of them changes. If we look at the "What links here" of the first one in the topleft corner, [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User:DangerReport/Palprey_Road_Police_Department]], one which is among the lesser used ones and lesser known ones, we see that several of those pages call on dozens of templates, including used, unused and personal test status maps, as well as specific building status maps (in this case the [[PD Status Map]]. That could amount to quite a lot of pages, each calling on a couple dozen templates, just for one danger report update, no? {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 15:18, 18 June 2013 (BST)
:::[[wikipedia:Help:Job_queue#Updating_links_tables_when_a_template_changes|In this case it would make no difference because it's a by page thing and not a by call thing]]. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:50, 18 June 2013 (BST)
::::I still don't really understand? The lag increased when we added the danger center, and it occurs more when updating the danger reports than when you look at the center itself. AFAIK the amount of times a danger report is called upon has a direct influence on that lag, ergo reducing the amount of maps that call upon a danger report should reduce the overall lag. Right? {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 16:59, 18 June 2013 (BST)
:::::What Karek is saying (and what I was typing up before I saw that he had already linked exactly what I was going to say) is that the Danger Center is a gigantic job, whereas the other pages are not. The reason that matters, is because the wiki is configured to process one job in the queue per page load. As such, those smaller pages are not even getting processed at the same time as the Danger Center and are thus in no way contributing to the unresponsiveness that people are suffering. To draw an imperfect analogy, the job queue is like a relay race where every time the baton is passed a page gets loaded for a user. In this race, some runners (jobs) are slower than others. Quite obviously, you can improve the speed of the faster runners all you want, but you'll still be waiting the exact same amount of time for the slower ones to complete their laps and pass the baton. So, more or less, those smaller pages aren't contributing to the problem at all, since the unresponsiveness they create is separate from what people are complaining about and is small enough that most of us have never noticed it at all. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:39, 18 June 2013 (BST)
::::::<del>Technical gobbledegook-> Yeah, sorta this. Basically everytime you load a page the job queue processes 1 job. Everytime you have a template on a page it loads a function and then on repeat calls of the template it just references the already loaded function. Different templates do have different costs but that's based on the size of the initial template, not so much the number of times it's called(which has a much smaller impact). Everytime you call a unique template the server has to go and make a new database connection and call that template's page content to then queue it up for the preprocessor/job queue. Batch processing it with the job queue means instead of having a half hour of horrific lag(where you have thousands of database connections and nothing can load) you queue up the change and then half multiple hours of much more negligbile lag(where you just double the normal page loads).</del> Super simple version is instead of having 5000 pages load when you edit danger reports it makes it so that for the next 5000 pages loaded you're basically loading 2 pages. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:49, 18 June 2013 (BST)
:::::::It sounds like you may have accidentally said the opposite of what you meant. Just to double check, as you said above, the queue adds jobs on a ''per-page'' basis, which means that the Danger Center is processed as a single job, just as each of those other pages is also processed as a single job (though clearly the Danger Center is a larger job). When a user visits a page, the wiki does the job at the front of the queue before it delivers the page to the user. When a danger report gets updated, each page that transcludes that danger report will receive a corresponding job to update the page. For those smaller pages, because they each have their own job, they get spread out over a number of page loads and cause no noticeable delay. For the Danger Center, it too is done as a single job attached to a single page load, but because it's a much larger job it creates an extremely noticeable delay (i.e. it does the 5000+ db operations you're talking about). I think that's what you meant to say, but please correct me if I'm mistaken. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:55, 18 June 2013 (BST)
::::::::A lot of this is going to be process descriptive but not exact to how the code runs. It functions like a php include that contains a class with only a single method that's being batch processed. What happens is essentially when you update a template it checks to  see how many rows return in the table(see picture below) of transclusions. It then adds those pages(where the template is transcluded) to the jobs queue if there are more than a certain number.<br /><br /> The jobs queue then runs a preprocessor on each of those individual pages. The preprocessor runs through the page content sequentially until it finds text matching what it sees as a template call. It then runs that call through a check against all other held templates/functions already preprocessed, if it returns that none are already stored it queues up a database call to the page(usually a template) being transcluded. It searches for include only tags then for noinclude tags to determine content and then [[Wikipedia:Template_limits#What_is_this_about.3F|converts the uneliminated text]] into [http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_tree.asp XML Trees] and stores this as a callable variable to be referenced when the same template is called later in the text. That means it only calls the template from the database once per page instead of however many times the template is included in the page.<br /><br />Once the preprocessor sets limits on the generated text size for the final result and stops converting template content after a certain point. There are a number of reasons for this but the biggest one I can imagine would relate to the topic of [http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/64525/tr-2006-45.pdf this white paper] microsoft released a few years back(pages are stored in blobs) about large file vs blob performance. The end result all then gets thrown through the parser when the page is called which converts wikitext like to it's output state.<br /><br />My understanding is thus that when a page does not hit the rows returned in the 'Pages Included On' check it runs the preprocessor in reverse, thus processing all of the pages then and there making x calls where x is the amount of pages it's included on. When it determines that this would be too much strain for the server based on the limits set it instead queues them up for batch processing so that the calls are processed at a set interval and not all at once. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:07, 19 June 2013 (BST)
:::::::::I love the technical description (honestly, I do), but that's actually tangential to what I was asking. You already explained the details below, and I thought it was well understood that that's what the function of the job queue is, since it's basically just "baking" elements for later use. What I was talking about was specifically the un-struck line you left, since the problem we're having is that it's ''not'' being broken up into 5000 jobs, which is what it sounds like you were suggesting is happening. That's why I said you sounded like you were saying the opposite of what you meant. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:34, 19 June 2013 (BST)
::::::::::I was insanely oversimplifying, the default value is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUpdateRowsPerJob 500 operations] and each job itself is 500 operations. So with a current job queue of 6 that's roughly 3000 transclusions. Basically it is just the numbers are obscured, additionally [[user:Kevan|Kevan]] might have changed it but it's unlikely. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:16, 19 June 2013 (BST)
:::::[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/MediaWiki_1.20_%2844edaa2%29_database_schema.png This] may help some. The Job Queue, from my understanding, basically functions like the preprocessor for templates so that the stored wiki text can be served faster on significantly large template calls to minimize load time. Templates are thrown into the job queue based on how many pages need to be preprocessed and it converts them into wiki-text/html there. Because job queue processing isn't done through a cron or based on server load it's happenning while other things are being done on the server, so lag will increase be it 1 template call on a page or 10 as it's running the same script either way. As far as impact on performance, because there's no additional complexity to the call(you should only have to queue up the template's content once regardless) it's of neglible impact of processing speed. You get a bigger impact from an increase in unique templates as 0-1 is where you're having to open a new file stream or make a new databse connection(which is likely the cause of the lag). [http://musialek.org/?p=94 Preprocessor ref]. This is also one of many reasons templated signatures suck, they slow down the wiki for everyone, particularly more so the more pages they're on. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:43, 18 June 2013 (BST)


Too bad, I really hoped to optimize this whole thing... Then again: the danger reports ''are'' updated regularly these days, even more with BB4, and that was always one of the goals :) Maybe I'll go on a little wiki-patrol later today and just list a ton of stuff that can be deleted or otherwise archived to clean the whole wiki a bit out. {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 12:54, 19 June 2013 (BST)
:If you want to optimize these pages you could make the core templates use non-wikicode code, here's a list [[wikipedia:m:Help:HTML_in_wikitext|m:Help:HTML_in_wikitext]], it'll reduce the work done when the parser runs. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:12, 19 June 2013 (BST)


==Thanks==
I only just realised you added the suburb mini-map to my user subpage about redoing the Main Page. Thanks so much for that! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 00:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
:Hah, yeah, I had to look up what you were talking about since I couldn't remember the details. Apparently I had some time to kill that day.
:Hopefully it proves helpful in the future. I eventually lost steam on my attempt at redoing the main page when I realized that the ideas we had weren't technically possible (no way to modify the CSS across all themes so that we could make drop-down menus work for everyone), but I'd love to see you get a redesign off the ground and put into place, since it needs an update and you've already had some good ideas for how to improve it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:28, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


== Mob Locator Map Style Practice ==
Hi Aichon,
you should update the comment on http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Militant_Order_of_Barhah/Locator&action=edit&section=3 to reflect the actual practice which is used to colour the map.
greetings [[User:Ja7|Ja7]] 13:09, 25 June 2013 (BST)
:Sorry, I got it wrong. See my edits to MOB Locator. {{unsigned|Ja7|13:12, 25 June 2013}}
::Yup, looks like you got it figured out, though I really need to update the Locator since it's several suburbs out of date at the moment. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:46, 25 June 2013 (BST)


== Your template coding still manages to troll years later ==
[[Soldiers of Confusedmen|This is comedy gold.]] --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 22:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hah! I haven’t played the game in years, but this made my day. I know there are a few other hidden gems scattered about, but I had forgotten about this one. Glad to see it paying dividends years later. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
::Someone played the long *con* here... --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 22:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


== A/SA questions ==
Aichon you are beautiful. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 11:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm planning to start moving the A/PM archives into A/SA format, and I had a couple questions.
:Just having a little fun. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
#What do we do about awkward redlinking of archives for those who were never sysops? [[UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Akule/2008-04-01 Promotion|Example]] - "Akule" is redlinked in the breadcrumbs.
#I'm planning to convert the A/PM navtemplates so they can be kept in one location, and am adding [[:Category:Promotions_Candidacies|a key]] to make them more detailed. Would something like that (or which already exists for A/BP) be useful for A/RE and A/M as well? (Not to be included on each page, but be in one location for cross-referencing.)


Thanks! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 16:40, 18 August 2013 (BST)
:There's nothing saying we can't make pages for the non-sysops too, and with your changes to put it all in tables, it seems like the concerns we have about it taking up too much space have been alleviated pretty well. I'm thinking give them their own page, and kill two birds (the red-link and the fact that the table will get bulky as we add data) with one stone.


:As for the key, I kinda feel like the improved categorization is designed to remove the need for keys and color-coding sort of stuff, though the categories could definitely be better-linked from A/SA in order to make them more useful. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:50, 18 August 2013 (BST)
== The years fly by...==
::Ok! I can make pages for them easily. I'm gonna stick with making the key for now, mostly as a way for me to keep track of which ones I've moved so far; it can always be easily de-keyed later. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 01:08, 19 August 2013 (BST)
Good to see you pop back in every now and then. Had a peek at your backloggery - just added you on Steam. Hope you're well! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 01:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
:I was actually reminded to poke in because I just switched to using some note taking software (Obsidian) that can operate a bit like a personal wiki. And I’m doing great! Life’s been crazy, but in good ways. Another kid, a different (better) job, and parents retiring five minutes away have meant a lot of changes.
:Accepted on Steam, though I’m only marginally more active on Steam than here, so it’s nothing personal if it takes me a few months to notice a chat message. I actually still check Backloggery on a daily basis, even though I rarely engage with anyone socially.
:You been holding down the fort? Took a quick glance around and it seemed like there aren’t any projects that could use quick advice. Even the drama has been fairly low recently from what I’ve seen. And what’re you up to these days off-wiki anyway? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
::Very low, very dormant. Just the same ol' wiki ticking along nowadays. Obviously it's a shame, but in some ways it's welcome. Parents retiring near you sounds like a great change, especially when kids are involved. What's new since we last chatted? Hmm. I got a mortgage and a ring, so that's new. No kids though. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 09:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Oh, ''just'' that? ;P Congratulations and well done! And no rush on the kids. We also enjoyed having a few years before the kids arrived, which gave us time to do some projects and traveling that would've been 10x harder with the kids. We love them and wouldn't change a thing, but renovating the kitchen or taking a transatlantic flight would be a non-starter for us these days. How's home ownership so far? Hopefully you've been able to enjoy the newfound freedom that comes from home ownership without having to deal with the headaches that can arise. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
HELLO SIR LONG TIME NICE TO SEE YOU. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 14:37, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
:SALUTATIONS IT HAS BEEN TOO LONG I RECIPROCATE YOUR SENTIMENT. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)




== IRC ==
==     ==
Can you jump on when you've got a minute, please? --{{User:RenegadeRomero/Sig}} 20:50, 20 August 2013 (BST)
penus {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
:Done. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:58, 20 August 2013 (BST)
:About twenty years back a grandparent told me a story about how they were talking with their very young granddaughter. The city of Miami came up at some point in one of their conversations. The granddaughter interrupted her grandfather. “Grandad”, she said, “It’s not your Ami, it’s my Ami.” Kids are selfish, yo.
:Anyway, your misspelling reminded me of that story for some reason. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
::i'm kids. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)




== A/D ==
==In-game zombie names==
As a note, Revenant's revelation would be what would normally be a checkuser policy allowance. In this case he actually would probably be one of the better authorities on this since he can potentially compare it to one of the various RG boards. Odds are this is another Nubis type situtation in which case you guys should lock the account in question and send an email via the wiki, if possible, letting him know what has happened, why, and how he can contact one of you guys to resolve it. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:48, 26 August 2013 (BST)
Hello Aichon! There's a script of yours I would really like to use that I just can't seem to get working. I have had another player test too with the same problem. It's UD Same Character Highlighter. Sometimes with your scripts it's just a matter of changing the old references to http to https, but that didn't save me this time. Would be very handy to get Same Character Highlighter working for my group as we're zombies and it's a nightmare tracking who said what in-game as it just says "a zombie said". A full zombie name displayer would be even better, but I don't think there's a script for that? Thanks! {{unsigned|Ragno|10:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)}}
 
:Sorry for the super-slow response. It's been...a hectic few weeks. It's been a bit since I've been active in-game. Is Dumbwit or some other service that captures a snapshot of the game still around? If so, can you link me to a recent one that shows something like what you're talking about where a group of zombies is talking back and forth? Testing UD Same Character Highlighter was always tough because those messages disappear if you refresh the page, so I used to have a handful of iWits or Dumbwits around to help with testing it.
 
:No promises on a timely fix for this (i.e. it may never happen, so don't get your hopes up too much), but if time allows in the next few weeks I'll see what I can figure out. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
== Editing building pages........ ==
::No worries on response time, thanks very much for giving it a look. Here's a couple of ispy links that you can try it on.
Am i allowed to edit Building pages,particularly the Krinks power station description and make changes to it.
:: https://ispy.dxavier.net/1459863366.html https://ispy.dxavier.net/1641562398.html  {{unsigned|Ragno|22:15, 06 December 2023 (UTC)}}
 
Another question.If i were to post in the current description should i remove the "please sign your post " thing or should i just post on there and leave it like that?[[User:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="red">Payne</font>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="blue">Train</font>]]<sup>'''([[NWO]]/[[FU]])'''</sup> 16:31, 1 September 2013 (BST)
:You're allowed to make changes to the descriptions of location pages, provided that your changes are in good faith and are written from a neutral point of view (they're unowned pages in the main space, so anyone is free to edit them, so long as they follow those two guidelines, more or less). And if you're making edits to the current news for a building...well, to be honest, I wouldn't, since those sections are rarely used or looked at...but if you do, then I'd leave the instructions to sign your posts, but then would comment underneath it, probably. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:48, 1 September 2013 (BST)
 
::Thank you--[[User:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="red">Payne</font>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="blue">Train</font>]]<sup>'''([[NWO]]/[[FU]])'''</sup> 02:32, 2 September 2013 (BST)
 
 
==really?==
If you're going to lock cobras edit at least post an opinion on the new edits on the krinks talk page, please. This is not an issue of NWO vs cobra, this is an issue of cobra smudging our integrity, I hope you can give a decent 3rd party perspective on thus subject for the sake of the wiki and the one of the few posting rules you can enforce. Thanks [[User:H4ppy 24 7|H4ppy 24 7]] 03:52, 11 September 2013 (BST)
:No, this isn't about any of those things. This is about the two of you acting like children and me taking away your toys until you learn to play nice with each other. The point is not for me to get involved; it's for you two to figure this out between yourselves while the page remains temporarily protected for a day or two, as per our standard procedure in response to edit warring. I'm not going to shove myself into this as a mediator with a third-party perspective. This is between you guys. I'm just giving you a few days to mull it over. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:03, 11 September 2013 (BST)
 
 
==You make me cry==
How dare you don't list me as arbitraorer. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  21:08, 11 September 2013 (BST)
:You're not the only one, Ross. I've been left out too. Damn it, Aic. I thought we had something special. :( I demand to be listed or I shall take you to Arby's for not listing me as arbitrator! --[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack: The Legend Returns to the Wiki]] 21:31, 11 September 2013 (BST)
::You've already been turned down by others. I only listed names that hadn't been turned down yet. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:36, 11 September 2013 (BST)
:::I want a divorce. :( --[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack: The Legend Returns to the Wiki]] 21:59, 11 September 2013 (BST)
::::We promised each other we'd never say the D-word! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:22, 11 September 2013 (BST)
:::::I want Grim to arbitrate. He is the ultimate jury, judge, and witnesses all in one. --[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack: The Legend Returns to the Wiki]] 22:53, 11 September 2013 (BST)
::::::''Wehll, ah'll ask heem, but ah dohn't theenk he'll be verrah keen...'' {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:32, 14 September 2013 (BST)
 
:I thought about adding you, but you have a knack for handing out even-handed judgments that leave ''both'' sides feeling like they didn't get everything they wanted out of the case. That's good most of the time, but it's not what I want here. Treat the omission of your name as a compliment. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:36, 11 September 2013 (BST)
:At least he didn't exclude you in particular like he did me XD {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 22:00, 11 September 2013 (BST)
::You got excluded for basically the same reason as Ross. Take it as the compliment it was intended to be. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:22, 11 September 2013 (BST)
:::i accept. think cyber will agree?--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>02:55, 12 September 2013 </small>
 
I come back to find you embroiled in the most drama-tic thing going on on the wiki? Times certainly have changed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 02:30, 13 September 2013 (BST)
:I'm as surprised as you are. I figured there'd be an arbitration case at some point, since things were building in that direction, but not yet, and certainly not involving me. In fact, they just made their opening statements and didn't list a single complaint against me. It's just bizarre. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:37, 13 September 2013 (BST)
::it really didn't take much. and I'm surprised i'm not personally in the case. oh well [[File:Popcorn.gif]] --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>03:06, 13 September 2013 </small>
:::Can I make a parody page of an arbitration page?  I'll use all the nice lines and stuff that DT is using. Any rule against that?--<span style="border:solid 1px #AF7817; padding: 0px 1px; background-color: #E7DFCE; color: black;">'''[[User:Squid Boy/SaysF|Seekandyeshallfind]]'''</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Squid Boy/SaysF|<span style="border:solid 1px #AF7817; padding: 0px 1px; background-color: #E7DFCE; color: black;">QI</span>]]'''  <sup>[[Philosophe Knights|<span style="color:#AF7817">PK</span>]]</sup></sup> 03:07, 13 September 2013 (BST)
::::I think that's fine, but make sure it's not in the UDWiki: namespace (probably your own userspace is the best choice) {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 03:17, 13 September 2013 (BST)
 
== May I ask? ==
 
[[User_talk:Ayu_Milady/Archives]] is this okay or not? and.. where should I ask for things like this? thanks :) --[[User:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#90B818">Ayu</font></b>]] [[User talk:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#11B4BD">Milady</font></b>]] <sup><font face="Cambria">[[NWO|<font color="Silver">NWO</font>]] member</font></sup> [[User:Ayu_Milady/Sig | <span style="font-family:High Tower Text; color: orange; font-weight:normal;">(┛ò__ó)┛彡┻━┻</span>]] 08:10, 14 September 2013 (BST)

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Aichon:Talk
Aichon
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Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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API help

Bob Moncrief sent me your way. I'm looking at building a bot to prowl the Danger Reports and mark them as "unknown" after several months. I was thinking of using the API to pull page data and parse it to determine when it was last signed. It would also do the same for the MPMs every 5 days and mark them as 'old' or 'unknown' as needed. Bob didn't want to just give me the link to the API, and I don't blame him, but to talk with you about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reimannsum (talk • contribs) 19:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC).

Sorry, but bots were never my area. From what I know, there isn’t a link to give you. Once you actually build a bot, a ‘crat can assign it bot permissions, but otherwise there’s not much more to it than Googling around to see how to actually build it. If Revenant is around, he can probably point you in the direction of folks who have experience making bots. —Aichon— 23:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


Thanks

I only just realised you added the suburb mini-map to my user subpage about redoing the Main Page. Thanks so much for that! DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 00:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hah, yeah, I had to look up what you were talking about since I couldn't remember the details. Apparently I had some time to kill that day.
Hopefully it proves helpful in the future. I eventually lost steam on my attempt at redoing the main page when I realized that the ideas we had weren't technically possible (no way to modify the CSS across all themes so that we could make drop-down menus work for everyone), but I'd love to see you get a redesign off the ground and put into place, since it needs an update and you've already had some good ideas for how to improve it. —Aichon— 21:28, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


Your template coding still manages to troll years later

This is comedy gold. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Hah! I haven’t played the game in years, but this made my day. I know there are a few other hidden gems scattered about, but I had forgotten about this one. Glad to see it paying dividends years later. —Aichon— 00:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Someone played the long *con* here... -- Spiderzed▋ 22:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Aichon you are beautiful. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 11:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Just having a little fun. ;) —Aichon— 13:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


The years fly by...

Good to see you pop back in every now and then. Had a peek at your backloggery - just added you on Steam. Hope you're well! DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 01:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I was actually reminded to poke in because I just switched to using some note taking software (Obsidian) that can operate a bit like a personal wiki. And I’m doing great! Life’s been crazy, but in good ways. Another kid, a different (better) job, and parents retiring five minutes away have meant a lot of changes.
Accepted on Steam, though I’m only marginally more active on Steam than here, so it’s nothing personal if it takes me a few months to notice a chat message. I actually still check Backloggery on a daily basis, even though I rarely engage with anyone socially.
You been holding down the fort? Took a quick glance around and it seemed like there aren’t any projects that could use quick advice. Even the drama has been fairly low recently from what I’ve seen. And what’re you up to these days off-wiki anyway? —Aichon— 02:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Very low, very dormant. Just the same ol' wiki ticking along nowadays. Obviously it's a shame, but in some ways it's welcome. Parents retiring near you sounds like a great change, especially when kids are involved. What's new since we last chatted? Hmm. I got a mortgage and a ring, so that's new. No kids though. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 09:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh, just that? ;P Congratulations and well done! And no rush on the kids. We also enjoyed having a few years before the kids arrived, which gave us time to do some projects and traveling that would've been 10x harder with the kids. We love them and wouldn't change a thing, but renovating the kitchen or taking a transatlantic flight would be a non-starter for us these days. How's home ownership so far? Hopefully you've been able to enjoy the newfound freedom that comes from home ownership without having to deal with the headaches that can arise. —Aichon— 19:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

HELLO SIR LONG TIME NICE TO SEE YOU. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 14:37, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

SALUTATIONS IT HAS BEEN TOO LONG I RECIPROCATE YOUR SENTIMENT. —Aichon— 21:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)


penus Nothing to be done! 01:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

About twenty years back a grandparent told me a story about how they were talking with their very young granddaughter. The city of Miami came up at some point in one of their conversations. The granddaughter interrupted her grandfather. “Grandad”, she said, “It’s not your Ami, it’s my Ami.” Kids are selfish, yo.
Anyway, your misspelling reminded me of that story for some reason. —Aichon— 02:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
i'm kids. Nothing to be done! 01:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


In-game zombie names

Hello Aichon! There's a script of yours I would really like to use that I just can't seem to get working. I have had another player test too with the same problem. It's UD Same Character Highlighter. Sometimes with your scripts it's just a matter of changing the old references to http to https, but that didn't save me this time. Would be very handy to get Same Character Highlighter working for my group as we're zombies and it's a nightmare tracking who said what in-game as it just says "a zombie said". A full zombie name displayer would be even better, but I don't think there's a script for that? Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ragno (talk • contribs) 10:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC).

Sorry for the super-slow response. It's been...a hectic few weeks. It's been a bit since I've been active in-game. Is Dumbwit or some other service that captures a snapshot of the game still around? If so, can you link me to a recent one that shows something like what you're talking about where a group of zombies is talking back and forth? Testing UD Same Character Highlighter was always tough because those messages disappear if you refresh the page, so I used to have a handful of iWits or Dumbwits around to help with testing it.
No promises on a timely fix for this (i.e. it may never happen, so don't get your hopes up too much), but if time allows in the next few weeks I'll see what I can figure out. —Aichon— 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
No worries on response time, thanks very much for giving it a look. Here's a couple of ispy links that you can try it on.
https://ispy.dxavier.net/1459863366.html https://ispy.dxavier.net/1641562398.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ragno (talk • contribs) 22:15, 06 December 2023 (UTC).
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