UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfahrenheit vs Cyberbob240
|
Administration Services — Protection. This page has been protected against editing. See the archive of recent actions or the Protections log. |
Matthew Fahrenheit v. Cyberbob240
Constantly harassing me about pretty much everything I do, no matter how much I try to be friendly to him, laugh off his insults or just plainly ignore him. Follows me at every page I make a comment on, constantly bragging at the fact that he's a Moderator and I'm not thus everything I do has "less weight", bordering Misconduct (but I will let the Arbitrator point out if there's need for further steps on that), or if I try to help as the member of Project Welcome that I am I'm "back seat moding". I will accept for arbitrator either someone that neither likes me or him or someone capable of being neutral no matter his relation with any of us. I'll like to point out before the case starts that I'm perfectly capable of controlling myself and the constant frustration that Cyberbob's constant harrasement causes me, and that's proved on how I do not continue a discussion in the multiple ocassions Cyberbob tries to start one, and thus my objective with this case is not puting us on separate cages (a ruling that forbids any contact) but rather to handle Cyberbob's incapability to behave himself. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 09:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'll take this one. --General Lee A. Dickhole Malton Rangers 15:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- I would be willing to arbitrate this one. Matt, historically I didn't get along with Cyberbob either. I don't have any particular love for either of you.--Gage 22:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't have anything against you for arbitrating either Gage, but I'll wait a bit for other user's propositions as you seem to be taking on all cases and maybe someone that I feel capable wants to take a case too =). If by Christmas here (Argentina's time is GMT-3) there's nobody, I'll acept your nomination. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'll arbitrate. I'm pretty neutral and have had no dealings with either of you. -- Cheeseman W!ASBTalk 14:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
- bit late but... surely Farenheit said he would accept only if no one more nuetral would play? hell i am drunk so feel free to dis-abuse me!!!--Honestmistake 01:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- I said that I wuold wait until XMAS to acept Gage's nomination to see if someone else was wiling to take the post of Arbitrator because Gage is pretty much monopolizing the place lately: I don't think he's "less neutral" that anyone else. Nobody posted in time so... --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 01:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- bit late but... surely Farenheit said he would accept only if no one more nuetral would play? hell i am drunk so feel free to dis-abuse me!!!--Honestmistake 01:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Matt's Case
First I want to point out that in NO WAY does my report limit itself to the latest events, but this is meant to include my whole history with Cyberbob240, that I trust that at least is in part known to the Arbitrator. It would be useful to the Arbitrator to lnow that we already had an Arbitration case opened, but it seems to have solved nothing.
Cyberbob is known for targetting certain people that, in my oppinion, he either deem stupid or can't stand. Between those people are found from maybe understandable examples like Jjames to not so understandable ones like The General or Jedaz, or just disrespect for the majority of other wiki users and some Mods. He seemed to grow a personal dislike for me because I "nosed" too much on Vandal reports in the past, and I didn't accept every ruling without making objections if I had them and thought them valid. The result of my meddlings in the M/VB page is debattable, with mixed results from the change of a ruling to me making mistakes in my judgement. It must be noted that the majority of these cases didn't have nothing to do with Cyberbob240, that wasn't neither the one that made the reports or the ruling moderator, neither could he account his dislike of me on my actions on the Suggestions page because he never (maybe I'm forgetting something but I think I'm right) protested himself one of my actions there when I made some controversial choices (and one or two plainly wrong ones, but in good faith).
As a side point to the previous one, Cyberbob has especifically and actively targetted Mods in attempts to cause their demotion, and in the case of Jedaz, sort of succeeded. While that latest fact doesn't specifically pertain this particular case, he acuses me of having a "power hunger" when the one constantly attempting to gather either power and/or fear of the community towards him is in fact himself. It's a fact, as you can see him crying about not being the most popular Mod for the latest bureaucrat bid.
Now, the reach of his harrasment can't be called vandalism, but just plain flamebaiting, that get more annoying by the fact that I do not wish to respond to it but he constantly butts in in the middle of every one of my conversations, oblivious to the fact that most of them HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.
Now, pages to use as proofs. If there's need for more specific links such as diff comparison links everywhere it would be cool for the Arbitrator to ask me to and I'll add them in my second statement after Cyberbobs240 explains his case, but I tought not to add them (and instead show full discussions) as they would take a lot of space and hardly making things more understandable unless people here aren't human beings to begin with:
Good examples of flamebaiting from Cyberbob can be found here, or in my failed Mod bid here. To prove Cyberbob disrespect for other user's (including me) and Mods, it's enough to look at one of his Misconduct cases, wich I trust the Arbitrator is familiarized too because he was on the reporting party. To show that Cyberbob in his constant attacks against me is bordering abusing his status as a Moderator, forbidden by the Guidelines and explicitly punished by Misconduct ("excessive bullying, or attempts to treat the status of moderation as a badge of authority to force a moderator's wishes on the wiki may also come under misconduct"), see here, here and maybe [here].
I don't know if I'm supposed to say what I try to accomplish with this report, but I'll say it: to Cyberbob to stop verbally and morally attacking me. It is not my objective to have him banned or demoted, and I would be really pleased if he actually changed for the better, but it is impossible. As he has proved in time to be incapable of restraining himself of adding injury or plain flames to the comments he makes, I just want him to be barred of making contact with me indefinitely, as pasts Arbitration cases (referring to this one here) proved uncapable of chilling his temper with time. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Bob's Case
Bob, make your case here, but wait until Matt is done with his so that you can at least know what you've been charged with. Remember, this is not a place for discussion.--Gage 21:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Matt gets trodden on because he's always underfoot. If he stayed out of the way or kept quiet when he knows nothing about the intricacies of a particular case, I wouldn't react to him so. I can't be fucked writing anything more than that - Gage knows my position, and I trust in his ability to make a fair ruling without my input. Cyberbob Talk 14:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Rebuttal by Matt
So I get trodden because I'm always underfoot? Sorry if I offend anybody, but that sounds like something said in Nazi Germany before the war. He wants me to stay out of the way, but what if I'm right, that happens more often than not? Like in your Misconduct case, Mr. Aushvitz constant bans, Zombielord2 vandal case and Jedaz arbitrary demotion and permaban, just to mention those cases that because they were somehow bigger scale or more recent immediately come to my mind. Probably I go against the wishes of a Moderator that totally despises other people's opinion, no matter how fair they are, whenever they are against his agenda.
About the "If he stayed out of the way or kept quiet when he knows nothing about the intricacies of a particular case, I wouldn't react to him so", Zombielord2 Vandal case is a good refutal. The one that didn't have the slightiest idea was Cyberbob: while me and Gage (you can elaborate if you wants if you believe this incorrect Gage) were trying to figure out, citing Cyberbob, "the intricacies of a particular case", he jumped on the gun and moved pages where they wouldn't be found again. The guys that owned them were growing more and more confused, at least the one that was online at the time, and he just started to add comments attacking me and never corrected his mistake until I got tired half an hour ago and did it myself, manually because I didn't know (my mistake) that moving pages was recently restricted to Mods.
Cyberbob needs to stop using his Moderator status as a badge standing for more authority than whoever opposes his POV and accept that people he doesn't like like Hagnat, The General, Jedaz or me have a place on this wiki. He's debatably one of the last remmanents of old flaming trolls in this wiki, and his constant attempts to draw atention, power and feel authoritative are getting boring with time. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 01:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Rebuttal by Cyberbob
Place your response here after Matt makes his.--Gage 00:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Again... I just seriously can't be bothered making any kind of effort. Rest assured, though, that if I wished to, I could bring up numerous instances of Matt's butting in where he is neither required nor desired. His other claims are just as spurious - something I'd expect from Gold Blade. However, I actually don't care which way this ruling goes, since if I lose Matt can't talk to me either! Win-win! Cyberbob Talk 02:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Ruling
I don't want you guys to talk to each other for a month. Cyberbob may talk to Matt (and Matt to Cyberbob) but only if it is in line with mod buisness (Cyberbob may warn Matt for vandalism, or may rule on a case of vandalism that Matt reports but not much else). All communication during this time must be kept civil. I'm tired of the bullshit.--Gage 03:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm more than fine with that. Cyberbob Talk 03:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't agree with the ruling. 1 month is far too little time, as a past Arbitration case was ruled for a likely time span and it wasn't nearly enough. The fact that Cyberbob may still rule on "mod business" against me gives him leeway to generally piss me off, like dismissing some case I bring on without handing me the possibility to object as it would be seen as a violation of this ruling. The ruling in general doesn't cite any reason in particular, nor gives an analysis of why did the Arbitrator reach such a conclusion: It seems as a generic ruling that was made before the case was presented. That fact and the one that the ruling seems to be overly convenient for Cyberbob rather than me, even tough he didn't make any point on his statements, didn't take the case seriously and even made derogatory comments against other users on it is really disturbing. I don't expect the ruling to be changed because that will be too good to be true, unless of course the ruling is changed even more towards Cyberbob's favor. I don't expect much from the ruling Arbitrator in the near future neither. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1
- Matt, you prove Cyberbob's point about you constantly questioning mod authority on matters like this. It doesn't matter if you like the ruling. The ruling is final. Cry me a river.--Gage 04:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- And you try to look professional? How cute. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 04:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- Matt, you prove Cyberbob's point about you constantly questioning mod authority on matters like this. It doesn't matter if you like the ruling. The ruling is final. Cry me a river.--Gage 04:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
