UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Haliman vs Lithedarkangel

Initial Nonsense

The Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service page is in dispute. Lithedarkangel has been secretly pming members of the group to go to a new forum named The Drifters, and commence a coup. I have banned him from the UBCS forum and taken command of the UBCS. I want him, and all members of his renegade group barred from editing the page.

As you can see here, I am the original author of the page.

Here or here you can see I am still in charge of the original forum.

He admits here that the group has underwent a name change. If so, he can make a new page.

Our allies support us in this ordeal.

As an additional note, Li and I have agreed to represent our respective parties, with no interference from anyone else. --Haliman - Talk 02:58, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I accept Drawde, DDR, Misanthropy, or Rosslessness. --Haliman - Talk 03:02, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I offer to arbitrate this case.-- Adward  03:01, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I'll offer to arbitrate this case should there not be agreement on your original choices. Though I would remind you that you cannot bind someone to an arbitration that they do not represent themselves in or do not give their explicit permission to be represented by someone else in. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:09, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I see some lies in here. Alright I accept DDR, Misanthropy or Rosslessness. And I'm representing myself.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 03:57, 6 April 2010 (BST)

As ex leader of this group I volunteer to arbitrate and would rule neither of them wiki edits for the next 6 months as per the Umbrella Drama rule. -- 

•   Timmah!  

•   Talk  

05:41, 6 April 2010 (BST) This has the potential to be a very difficult case to arbitrate, since the conflict looks so deeply internal that Arbitration probably won't be able to solve the problem at all, but has such enormous potential to shape the result. As such, I don't think anyone you've specified (myself included) is actually qualified to arbitrate this case; in the ideal world it would be something achieved within the group. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do this one, I'll have to hastily give it some thought. Given you don't have the time for that, both others are definitely good choices. --

 

 

 

 

07:02, 6 April 2010 (BST)

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The irony, please forgive me, but the irony is just, mind-blowing. This isn't a late April's fool or something? --Thadeous Oakley 13:13, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Also, while the chances that Haliman accepts me as arbitrator are about the same caliber as winning the lottery, ten times in a row, I offer to arbitrator. Like Colonel Krauser, I probably have more knowledge then the people Hal listed. Also DDR is right, this is a pretty deep internal conflict, though I guess ownership over the page is an issue. And honestly, explain me something; Last time I checked, Li(thedarkangel) was the leader of the group. He was in charge, and you Hal, stepped down. I don't know how you're organized internally but if Li was the leader, and you overthrew him, then you're the one who initiated a coup, not the other way around. --Thadeous Oakley 13:13, 6 April 2010 (BST)

You never pass on an opportunity to make an ass of yourself, do you? --Haliman - Talk 22:37, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Funny hearing that from you. If anything, the above case once again proves how you stop at nothing to preserve your self-interest above everything else. Especially considering Li, was like you're best fhrend on UD. I seriously feel for Li though, together with Megameh he at least had decency and honesty from what I saw in the past. You're a sad bastard D: Hate-mongering aside, I'll keep an eye out for this case, seems interesting enough. --Thadeous Oakley 23:42, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I am a bit sad to have to see this. Thadeous is right. I am the leader of the UBCS and most of our members can support me, Haliman has been missing some information. First He left the group and created the brotherhood of Nod. We at the UBCS have been since expanding into new games, a new perspective. We as a group made the decision it was best for ourselves to change the name of THE FORUM and have specific names for the games, i.e in UD we are the UBCS in other games we have other name. A public poll was made so all our members could vote and decide. The name with more votes was "The Drifters". We asked Haliman (the founder account) to change the url he said it was not possible, a lie or simply ignorance?, I don't know. But he was stopping what we decided as a group and then I as the leader of the UBCS decided to ask Haliman for his account (since he left) so I could change the name and all that. He refused to do it. So we at HC thought of a new plan: Move everyone to a new forum. We moved the important topics. Post by post. And just to be accurate I didn't secretly PM our members, I personally PMed every last active member, I sent messages in chat and lastly I sent a big massive email to everyone. And that is when Haliman appears and throws a coup at me. Banning me and the UBCS members. Sorry for long text.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 23:54, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I think understand what you're saying. Hmm, I think I'm gonna help you with this by making a summary.--Thadeous Oakley 00:30, 7 April 2010 (BST)

What Li means is this: The UBCS started playing different games besides UD under different names. In urbandead, they went by the name of UBCS, in another game by a different name etcetera. So Li decides to have all these different names bind under a single entity, called the Drifters. They would keep the different names to each individual game. So, in UD the Drifters would be remain to be known as UBCS, while another game they would be known as "X" etcetera. The Drifters would simply be a term to describe the collective of all individual game groups as a whole.

The forum name would be changed to the Drifters, since all the different games were organized on the same forum. This was all decided in a public poll over at their forum. However, for some reason, Haliman (meanwhile more or less absent) as forum creator and therefore root admin, refused to change the forum name because he somehow "couldn't". So the group decided to move to a new forum all together. Then Hal decides he disagrees, and bans Li and a couple from the original forum and initiates a coup. That about right?--Thadeous Oakley 00:30, 7 April 2010 (BST)

GTFO. No one wants your here. And I hate to be edit conflicted.--Haliman - Talk 00:33, 7 April 2010 (BST)

If by no one, you mean only yourself then yes, you're right. Otherwise I think I'm doing just fine here. --Thadeous Oakley 00:37, 7 April 2010 (BST)

lolzerg. --Haliman - Talk 00:39, 7 April 2010 (BST)

You also forgot to mention two things.

One being that you asked me, not to change the name, but for my password to my account. You went so far as to leave the following comment in the Admin CP. "I asked. I asked again. I asked one more time. This is what happened. ~Li"

Not once did you ask me directly to change the name. I told you what I thought. I was looking at domain manager, which says you can't change a URL.

Most roleplaying members are with you, yes. Most members of the clan itself, not to mention all of our allies support me in the ordeal. You were at one point leader. Your shady movements ((emailing members to get everyone on a new forum)) without alerting all of HC ((Myself and Posydon)) are treacherous. I have banned you from the main forum because of your blatant breach of the charter. Any major change requires a vote. You won the name change vote, which I would have gladly followed (if you told me!), but it did not merit a new forum.

The Charter you signed states in Article IV, Section 4.03 all major changes require votes.

I'm surprised you left out the whole asking for my password part. --Haliman - Talk 00:33, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Not going to bother replying in parts. Haliman I did added the part were I asked for your account. I told Posydon and all HC. You are not HC Haliman, you are the retired founder.And our Allies are in that forum because you told them I throw a coup which is not the case.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 00:39, 7 April 2010 (BST)

I just talked to Posydon. He said he was unaware. Our allies support the old forum because that is where the majority of our members still are.--Haliman - Talk 00:41, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Our allies may also like to know that most of our best members are in the new forum willingly. Also is someone going to arby this case? This talk is not getting us anywhere.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 00:44, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Best members in what sense of the word? --Haliman - Talk 00:46, 7 April 2010 (BST)

The ones actually playing UD. Also forgot to add. Considering the url couldn't be changed because our root admin was feeling like not. The only logic solution was make a new forum. So how is what I did unexpected? Also, the reason you were not told was this. You ban people whom you disagree with.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 00:49, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Name one.--Haliman - Talk 00:53, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Might a point out no one was named. --Haliman - Talk 00:18, 8 April 2010 (BST)

Taken from the UBCS's own Charter, section 4.02

High Command have the executive power to be able to impeach The Marshal, Secretary Marshal, or any other Command member due to, but not limited to:

• Inactivity: Inactivity should be one week without notice, or three weeks with notice.
• Treason: Any attempt to overthrow the command or impair the well-being of the community; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of the UBCS.

A vote majority of 60% is required.

I have a feeling this voting didn't even took place before you banned your own leader. Li, amiright? --Thadeous Oakley 00:51, 7 April 2010 (BST)

And I have a feeling if I try to kick you out of A/A, I may get zerg slime on me. --Haliman - Talk 00:53, 7 April 2010 (BST)

I luv how you avoid giving an answer. Also, A/A is open for everyone to comment. There is no base whatsoever to "kick" me out. Sorry.--Thadeous Oakley 00:59, 7 April 2010 (BST)

I didn't answer because you didn't ask me. "Li, amiright?" I would think one of your many senses would have figured that out. --Haliman - Talk 01:04, 7 April 2010 (BST)

But you did reply. And still you haven't made up an answer. But hey, keep clinging so desperately onto that "zerg" of yours while I will continue to rip your arguments to shred. Which is almost to easy. --Thadeous Oakley 01:08, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Lol. (Insert witty zerg comment about tearing game rules to shreds.) --Haliman - Talk 01:12, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Stop filling up the page, all of you and select an arbitrator. Your cases get made to your chosen arbitrator and should not be put here until that user is selected.

Haliman has selected:

• Drawde - Who has offered to arbitrate
• DDR - Who has commented but not so far agreed to arbitrate
• Misanthropy - Who has yet to comment on this case
• Rosslessness - Who is away for a few days

Lithedarkangel has selected:

• DDR - Who has commented but not so far agreed to arbitrate
• Misanthropy - Who has yet to comment on this case
• Rosslessness - Who is away for a few days

I'll reiterate my own willingness to arbitrate this case, because I seem to be the only one that thinks this is a straightforward and easy to resolve case. This isn't about forum ownership/name changes, it's not about who did what when and said what to whom and why, it's about ownership of a group page on this wiki and this wiki alone. This arbitration isn't couple's counselling, the point of it isn't to make you friends, it's to establish the limits as far as owned pages belonging to the group on this wiki alone. It's really a very simple case. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:48, 7 April 2010 (BST)

I must stand by my choices. --Haliman - Talk 00:53, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Saying group ownership doesn't relate to page ownership seems a bit silly. Besides, Hal stepped down as leader, and gave full permissions to Li. Page authorship has shit to say, for many (old) group pages, the original author is often not even a member anymore. Oh who I'm kidding; I'm not sure at all who's side your swinging Iscariot, or on what argument you're basing it. Darn :/ --Thadeous Oakley 00:57, 7 April 2010 (BST)

We have decided via private chat to pick Krauser. I'll let him confirm this.--Haliman - Talk 01:06, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Yes Krauser has been chosen. Now get this arby. Please. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 01:09, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Krauser? Oh my, this is really going to get interesting now. --Thadeous Oakley 01:11, 7 April 2010 (BST)

They want someone they both know who isn't on the zerg list mate. I will get around to typing up all the stuff in a little bit (just got home), this way you both should be able to start talking things out tomorrow. -- 

•   Timmah!  

•   Talk  

04:00, 7 April 2010 (BST)

ONWARD!

Summary

This case has been brought by Haliman in regards to several edits that Lithedarkangel made over the UBCS. The edits dispute who has ownership over said group after an internal split between two factions of the group. -- 

•   Timmah!  

•   Talk  

06:11, 7 April 2010 (BST)

You two talk here

As Haliman brought this arbitration I will ask he makes the first statement. I would like to see from both of you what it is exactly that you want (no I do not do guys), and what you wish for this to accomplish. -- 

•   Timmah!  

•   Talk  

06:11, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Haliman

As I said in the initial nonsense, Li preformed what was essentially an internal coup, attempting to get an invincible account. He formed a new forum, and started diverting members there (secretly) after I refused to give him the password to my account. He didn't say a single word to me about the move, nor did he tell me to change the forum name. Instead of explaining how to change the name, he asked me for my account (on several occasions). As for the page, I'm the current admin of the old forum, where all of our members and allies still go, and created the page itself almost two years ago. --Haliman - Talk 22:46, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Li

Being the current leader of the UBCS and then, who takes into action what is decided by the group I just did what was accorded. I want Haliman to stay as he was retired from the UBCS and thus not getting into UBCS affairs (considering the wiki limits I mean that I want Haliman to stop editing the UBCS page as it must reflect the current changes not the past); I also want to have the UBCS page as the group is with the new forum. Also adding, as far as I know there is no rule on this wiki saying that a group must have a wiki page named the same way as their forum. Haliman, don't make me look as some selfish dictator. This is more like the UBCS getting away from the invincible account of a retired founder. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 23:53, 7 April 2010 (BST)