UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Better Vandal Data

Opening

Let us use this space to develop our ideas for improving the current system for handling vandal data. We can all agree that the vandal data is important to the wiki and that it is suboptimal.

If you want to point out a specific problem or propose a solution, please create a new == header so that the discussion can remain orderly. Please refrain from editing this opening section.

In general, A/VD should achieve the following:

• Organization - Escalation history, edit history, and the location of users should be organized
• Ease of use - It should be easy to check the history of specific users
• Automation - Making escalation/de-escalation more automated, reducing errors.

--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 13:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

remove deescalations

Get rid of deescalations? They only confuse the issue, and encourage career vandals -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:27 30 November 2009 (BST)

^^^ Cyberbob  Talk  13:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

But I don't think anyone actually suggested that... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

+1 --Haliman - Talk 13:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Your intentions? At the moment, your intentions seem to be for the community to devise it for you. How righteous. Not reactionary and unfounded at all. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I am all for removing descalations if the maximum amount of time a user can remain banned is reduced to a week. After the fourth time the user is banned for a week sysops are allowed to start a simple perma vote on the user. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

no Cyberbob  Talk  16:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Separate Pages

Just a quick ideas to get us started. How about organizing vandal data into different pages alphabetically? So there would be "Administration/Vandal_Data/A", "Administration/Vandal_Data/B", and so on. And there would be an alphabetical listing on the main A/VD page. This would make it easier to track changes by checking the history of a given page, instead of having to pour through months of data to find the history of a specific user.

Similarly, the pages could be organized like encyclopedia volumes, Aichon - Boberton, Cyberbob - DDR, etc., since certain letters of the alphabet would have more users.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 13:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

i think i suggested once that we should have a separate page for each user, but people complained about the complexity of this. Store it on user:Username/Vandal Data and protect it so only sops can edit it after vandal cases are ruled on. It would make a hell lot easier to see how many times a user was brought to A/VB and how many warnings he got. Sure it add another layer of work, but at least we have an easy access to all this information --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

No then, no now. History wipes pretty much invalidate everything that an individual-page-policy has to offer. Please stop posting Hagnat, you're not particularly smart. Cyberbob  Talk  16:09, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

im not saying we should retroactively archive the vandal records... but starting on the moment this policy gets approved. And even we did retroactively, what history wipe have to do with all this ? Its a simple case of copying specific headers from the current A/VB history into another page... i think you are more worried about what this user-archive would reveal about yourself... --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)