User talk:Boxy

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[edit] New Stuff

[edit] wow; what happend

to grim?--Jakezing 04:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

He got sick of our putting up with our obvious inferiority -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:01 21 November 2008 (BST)

I always miss the fun.--Jakezing 11:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I guess this is whee im supposed to put it..... Well much thanks for the name help, it took me hell trying to git it right :) -- Yungblood 7:40, November 20 2008 (EST)

np. Read through the help pages for editing tips -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:03 21 November 2008 (BST)

[edit] Spoilsport

:(--Honestmistake 12:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, I know :) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:15 20 November 2008 (BST)

[edit] Crat election

I think you forgot to add J3D to the list... Like it or not he is a Sysop and unless i missed something that means he is eligible to stand. --Honestmistake 11:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

How could I forget ;) (easily... by going off the outdated, undeletions activity check list!). Thanks -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:42 20 November 2008 (BST)

Glad to help before you got a place on the ModConspiracy boards ;) --Honestmistake 11:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Permabanned users

So it seems that members of the team are open to reviewing previous vandal banning cases in order to bring them up to date with this policy. Does this work for you? --Akule ^{School's back in session.} 19:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

link

P.S Why you/any sysops never use irc? Grim used to, haggy and karek do from time to time but that's it. It would be handy...and i'd promise to avoid berating you as much as possible.--J3D 01:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

P.P.S If you lurk under some other guise can i haz?--J3D 01:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gnome can't figure out IRC anymore... -- AHLGTH 01:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gnome should use mibbit, it's uber easy. Unless gnome can't figure it out coz gnome doesn't want to figure it out? :P Also can a/pm haz archive?--J3D 01:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm too easily distracted to irc regularly -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:35 2 November 2008 (BST)

[edit] A/D

Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--J3D 07:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Gah, why must you do this? If it doesn't change things it doesnt matter. Every user who voted has been informed on their talk page, they'll notice. Secondly, you're wrong, not every user voted for all pages concerned. Thirdly, why were they grouped together in the first place? When they were first moved across by a sysop they should have been split up, sorry i only just got onto that. Fourthly, different votes are valid for different entries, people shouldn't be expected to vote on all of them, it'd be like me putting up lol made up page and user:boxy and not letting people vote on them separately. While my action is not backed by any specific policy these cases must be considered separately and to ensure justice is served for them (and everyone has time to recast their votes) the 2 weeks can reset if you'd prefer.

I don't plan on reverting because edit wars are pointless however please do not ignore this, we can discuss here, irc or wherever.--J3D 08:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It changes thing by making a shitload of people (at least one of which says he wont be around for a couple of week) re-cast their votes, even if they don't want to change them. All the delete vote made it clear that they didn't want any of them kept, yet you removed the lot, because voting wasn't going your way. Moar drama, or w00t? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:13 26 October 2008 (BST)

I've made it pretty clear why i separated them, they should have been seperated from the start. Unfortunately those people voted on the lot, unaware they could be considered separately. I did the next best thing and told them all personally, this doesn't have to be more drama and i think my informing of all concerned parties speaks fairly clearing i wasn't looking for more drama with this. Why said they wouldn't be around for several weeks? --J3D 08:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to split them up, then all current votes should be placed under each page, and let people know that they can change them for individual pages if they want. Oh, and make the headers different this time -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:22 26 October 2008 (BST)

Fine.--J3D 08:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"every delete vote was for all pages concerned". Prove it. Read's wasn't.--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 08:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Reads was a keep vote -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:13 26 October 2008 (BST)

Gah, you're right. Sorry.--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 08:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You forgot one

Kevan. --J3D 01:36, 25 October 2008 (BST)

That page has long been considered a special exception.--Karek^maps?! 01:37, 25 October 2008 (BST)

twas said in jest! But yeah i think Kevan should be it's own page with information for people about who Kevan is. It's important people know and his userpage doesn't really make that clear.--J3D 01:40, 25 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Hm...

this looks kinda bad-faith-ey in the sense that it's almost impersonating an actual official message. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)

You know where a/vb is, whats the matter? need a sysop to hold your hand?--J3D 00:12, 25 October 2008 (BST)

"Kinda bad-faith-ey... almost impersonating"? lol. Anyone who can read will immediately see that it's not official.--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 00:55, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Possibly to avoid actual punishment for a stupid joke. Not much like Cyberbob but it's a very possible result, so quitcherbitchin'. :P--Karek^maps?! 00:57, 25 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Quick question

What timezone are you in? Just curious as to why you're the only sysop on (or are the others just staying away from a/vb for now).--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 10:13, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Also I think I might be due for a ban struck. Is this correct? It seems ages since my last vandal case.--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 10:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)

I'm Australian, and one escalation has been struck -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:15 24 October 2008 (BST)

Danke.--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 12:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] A/VD

Plz to be striking my escalation? It's been well over a month and I've made 250 edits since then. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:51, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Done -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:15 24 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] My escalation

I can tell you this, I guarantee you I have no idea how to deal with images, it was the first time I have uploaded an image that wasn't already resized for me by someone else.--MichaelRead The Coordinates of the Big Brother House are 599 - 97 which is in Southeast Borehamwood ^{الله من الخدمة ALiM Project CP} 08:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] A/D

Can you please protect it for the short term. CB shows no desire to let the pages be moved there as policy dictates.--J3D 08:24, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, please do. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)

How about every one of you pricks stops edit conflicting me, now. And I'll try to sort through your fucking crap -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:26 24 October 2008 (BST)

Fire away. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:27, 24 October 2008 (BST)

lol, you sure like licking boxyanus--MichaelRead The Coordinates of the Big Brother House are 599 - 97 which is in Southeast Borehamwood ^{الله من الخدمة ALiM Project CP} 08:28, 24 October 2008 (BST)

A good way to prevent edit conflicts is an hour long ban of the feuding parties (if they don't stop after being told), it gives them time to cool down, and time for you to sort through the mess. Well thats my 2c. - Jedaz - 08:29/24/10/2008

Oh so tempting :) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:35 24 October 2008 (BST)

thats fucking insightful...--MichaelRead The Coordinates of the Big Brother House are 599 - 97 which is in Southeast Borehamwood ^{الله من الخدمة ALiM Project CP} 08:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Right, because that worked out so well for the last guy that tried it. Do you remember? Also, I believe the edit warring is over. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)

I can't remember that, links please? (looks like the edit warring has just moved pages) - Jedaz - 08:59/24/10/2008

YOUR 2C!?!?!??!! Sorry, but i fucking couldn't resist.... --J3D 08:33, 24 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Your comments on the Gamestriker4 case

I just wanted to say that I feel that was a bit out of line. Regardless of your own personal opinions, your position should not be compromised by what you think of one user and his associates. This is no way coming on here to pick a fight, just dropping you a line in hope that you re-read over what you have written and realize that the Vandal banning page is no place for a SysOp to sledge a user like that. Personal opinions are fine, and I could see why you would have them against Jed, but the whole "aLiM nAzI" thing is just not on really.

That case had nothing to do with personal ownership of the page, he never claimed that, and as a Sysop you should not immediately jump to those conclusions. You are more or less showing that every case that Jed is involved in, you are going to reduce it to some slanging match over the way they treat pages that they created. Your position requires you to be objective, and you could not even do that when it came to a simple vandal case.

Whether or not ALiM or its offspring are your cup of tea is irrelevant, as it means something to some users of this Wiki and you should respect that.

Please, don't take this as some sort of attack, just re-read it and consider what your actually saying next time. It is just that the more I read it, the more I feel as if it is a little out of line, that's all.--MichaelRead The Coordinates of the Big Brother House are 599 - 97 which is in Southeast Borehamwood ^{الله من الخدمة ALiM Project CP} 13:49, 23 October 2008 (BST)

lol butthurt --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 13:53, 23 October 2008 (BST)

cool story bro--MichaelRead The Coordinates of the Big Brother House are 599 - 97 which is in Southeast Borehamwood ^{الله من الخدمة ALiM Project CP} 13:57, 23 October 2008 (BST)

i know bra --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:16, 23 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] User contributions

As I peruse the wiki, I often read the A/VB page to just see who's causing mischief. I noted that the person known as Woot has been posting nonsense on that page. So, after taking a look at his or her contributions lately, they are almost exclusively gibberish posted to various talk pages in an obvious effort to be a troll.

Is there a policy that applies to that sort of nonsense? I wasn't able to find one. In general I think a bad faith case probably applies to trolls.

your thoughts? --Stephen Colbert DFA 20:04, 21 October 2008 (BST)

Insanity is his thing... but generally he is a helpful member of the community, if given a chance, for example, this edit. Trolling would need to be a whole lot more blatant than WOOT's contributions, which seem to be more playful than anything. But no, there is no trolling policy, and it would be extremely hard to write one, given the totally subjective nature of "what is trolling?" -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:07 22 October 2008 (BST)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TROLLING!!!--J3D 08:42, 22 October 2008 (BST)

Also; There is no Cabal.--Karek^maps?! 21:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)

I heartily concur.--J3D 06:22, 23 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Great Fire ambiguity

Hey as one of the wikizens around here that has a background with ALiM projects that goes back before the purge, we'd greatly appreciate if you went here and testified. We are asking for witnesses who can confirm the fact that the page, Great Fire of 1912 was indeed created by and largely moderated by myself and User:J3D. The task of claiming our creation over the page is complicated by the fact that no history is available to back up our claim due to the history purge. Thanks for you time.--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 08:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Colloquialisms

It is neutral tone, the nav bar really recognises the people who have put effort into making the page and linking to other relevant projects that might interest readers. cbf repeating, see cyberbobs talk.--J3D 03:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)

1. The nav bar is ugly and intrusive,
2. The nav bar is bloody ugly and intrusive, and doesn't fit the overall style of general community pages,
3. If you want to make a guide, and put it in the guide namespace, please try to make it look professional,
4. I'm getting real sick of the constant spam and cross-promoting being done by the 2 Cool crew to get page hits up on their "quality projects".

Just because your group helped make those pages, doesn't mean that you should be allowed to spam adverts to your group page, and other, often totally unrelated, pages you created -- boxy ^{talk • i} 05:58 11 October 2008 (BST)

It's a guide for colloquialisms, by it's very nature it is going to be somewhat unprofessional hence stuff like the picture and the text adds to the character of the page. I think the ALiMnav template is quite beautiful, it got a tad out of hand with the add for the ALiM party but since that is removed it's back to it's old beautiful self. We are thinking of redesigning it to make it more streamlined (wider and not so tall) but yeah, that won't be until november or so. --J3D 06:08, 11 October 2008 (BST)

You think that a nav bar that is baby shit yellow, over half a page wide, and 11 lines high isn't out of hand at the moment? Please? Your nav bar screams "look at me, look at me!". It's a bloody advert -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:21 11 October 2008 (BST)

Would a soft, sky blue suffice?--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 06:24, 11 October 2008 (BST)

A 1x1x1 one should look good -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:26 11 October 2008 (BST)

I think that may be a little impractical...--Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 06:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)

We did have a community discussion about the implementation of the navbar, shame you are opposed to democratic process or you could have joined us...--J3D 06:29, 11 October 2008 (BST)

hum... the 2 cool navbar is sooo awesome :D i think i am going to copy it and add it to all pages i helped create and improve... lemmesee... the Suburb page, the suburb template, Arbitration, Policy Discussion, the building danger reports, the main page... all these and many others will advertise me, so everybody knows how awesome i am :D --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 13:57, 13 October 2008 (BST)

lolz -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 14:07 13 October 2008 (BST)

We already know hagnat, and they have to be pages you (or your group) singled handedly sculpted from nothingness fyi, or else it's not really 2C, ya dig? Feel free to borrow our awesome navbar for any purpose though.--J3D 00:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Willfully ignoring his point, by pretending to take his sarcasm at face value, doesn't change the fact that what you are doing with these pages you create is extremely petty. Demanding to be acknowledged, in such an obnoxious way, as the creator is pathetic. Look at the MIC, Hagnat created that from scratch. The closest thing that I see to your garish navbar is a single category linking to Category:Style Up!.

MIC = Classy

ALiM = Obnoxious -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:17 14 October 2008 (BST)

There is one key difference here you are willfully ignoring, ALiM etc pages are fictional lulz, MIC etc are informative pages and are not the place for links to other stuff you've created. Unless of course the other stuff you've created is somehow relevant, in which case go for it! What we do is more comparable to groups listing their allies in a section of their page.--J3D 11:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)

What? Caiger Mall isn't just as fictional as the great fire? :P

If you want to claim your pages as fictional, non-informative pages, then perhaps you should keep them totally separate from the "factual" side of the wiki, and not implant links to them into suburb, locations and other informative pages?

And no, I don't expect you to do that, I just expect you to concede that there is no clear "fictional" "factual" divide, and that you are placing many of those pages into the community section of the wiki, regardless of the clearly humourous intent in a lot of them.

The colloquialisms page (the topic under discussion, lolz) is clearly meant to be mostly an informative page, explaining abbreviations, btw. Extremely petty to remove it from the main namespace, and place it in your own private area simply to control it's styling so that you can keep your advertising banner on it.

Perhaps I'll edit the redirect so that it has all the content, without obnoxious banner and group ownership problems? Good idea, wat? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:42 14 October 2008 (BST)

and waste kevan's precious server space?? I think not...--J3D 11:55, 14 October 2008 (BST)

if pages created by ALiM are fictional and owned by 2 Cool, then this template shouldn't have been added to all locations, as its merely advertising your group. There was a similar issue months ago with Dunell Hills Police Dept. overcategorization of buildings, and it was shot dead by The Dead (lol) and with the support of many sysops (myself included). ALiM should either turn into public domain, with a nice and unobtrusive template on its pages, or have all advertise of the group removed from building, suburb and other public domain pages. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 14:14, 14 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] No longer a 'crat

Just wanted to say thanks for your work as a 'crat. I know that, ostensibly, it's only supposed to be the power to promote a user to sysop status, but in practise, I think that the 'crat badge is treated in and of itself as a symbol of authority, which makes the bearer almost as much (if not more) of a target than the big K himself, as regards the attraction of drama, criticism and requests for difficult judgement calls. I think you dealt with that pressure admirably. (Now, I'll take my tongue out of your arse so that you can sit down.) --Funt Solo ^QT 20:13, 8 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] A/VB

Hey, since the new pre-archive system thingy came in the talk pages don't line up properly. The cyberbob stuff needs to be moved to the new talk page. I was gonna do it but i thought maybe it's an issue with the system (i don't fully understand the whole thing) so yeah, thought i'd let you know. If it relies on the first person doing it manually maybe a small instruction should be placed on the page or something? Also i came here coz i had a feeling karek did it, but karek is gone...--J3D 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Misconduct

To make this as fair and equitable as possible, please vote on the decision being rendered here. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:58, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Good god, man, learn to wiki -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:08 7 October 2008 (BST)

Can you please archive the ruled out misconduct cases ? People are starting to troll on grim earlier one. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 12:59, 10 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] why hello thar

sarp --brb, church ^{DORIS CGR U!} 10:21, 26 September 2008 (BST)

Where's ya bin, Bob? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:57 26 September 2008 (BST)

school and shit --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 12:44, 26 September 2008 (BST)

[edit] help

I seem to have broken talk:suggestions formatting. I have no idea how and am scared to try fix it in case i make things worse! If you are first on line could you take a look? Thanks...--Honestmistake 14:44, 25 September 2008 (BST)

I've fixed it for now, by moving a huge chunk of the page to the overflow page. That page requires regular cleaning out of old, dead, suggestions discussion to avoid the problem -- boxy ^{talk • i} 15:02 25 September 2008 (BST)

[edit] Error?

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1270525&oldid=1270524

The page wont show up, and the talk pages hub shows The 5th of November "Original's" talk page. Care to... help? Thanks. --/\Haliman/\ ^{T | P! | W!} 21:09, 10 September 2008 (BST)

Looks like it only affects a couple of edits you made around the same time. Perhaps you just picked the wrong time, while an upgrade was happening (perhaps the recent deletion of the older diff comparisons)? If it doesn't happen again, and your page is fixed now, I wouldn't worry about it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:46 11 September 2008 (BST)

[edit] Misunderstood!

Hey Boxy, I appologize about getting all pissy at you. I thought you may have deleted my stuff but you only moved it to our group page and made it better for us. Please accept my appology. I jumped to conclusions way too quickly.

Thanks for the help.

Also,

Im confused about how to get the Group link to work on our page. Is there an easier way to do it? Im still learning and Im trying to teach my brother and my cousin .-. SpacemanSpiffReturns 06:53, August 19, 2008

No problem, I'll give you some more tips on your talk page -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:43 19 August 2008 (BST)

[edit] A/SD

Dunno what you did but it fucked up the page. Unclosed <> thingys i guess. Anyway i undid it so you might wanna redo whatever it was you were doing.--J3D 03:54, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Woops, I cut Karek's sig in half when I moved it down. Thanks -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:05 19 August 2008 (BST)

[edit] Where were you?

Simple question. Where were you? So much Drama over the J3D bid. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Drama? Drama? I saw no such thing...--J3D 11:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Awww, you love it. Anyway, I lost my internet for a week or so. What else, of great importance, did I miss? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:54 7 August 2008 (BST)

The soft warning dead horse is being beaten. Again. And i thought we had it well and truly jellied. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 15:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)

You seem to be the only one to use it... we should just warn people on their talk pages, or the AVB talk page... as long as they obviously got the message, they can be referred back to just as well as a pseudo-official A/VB case which only serves to ramp up the drama level -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:18 7 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah what was the end verdict? Keep 'em off A/VB and if you want to let sysops know you can use other channels (Discussion page was suggested) ?--J3D 07:02, 8 August 2008 (BST)

[edit] Suver

Finally I post there here. Sorry for the time and thanks for the attention. --Standzs 15:02, 31 July 2008.

OK, thanks. All that has been moved to the archives already, but it seems that everything worked out without any unwarranted warnings or whatever -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)

[edit] Deletions

Are these all scheduled deletions, or do they need a request? [[1]] --Rosslessness ^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 16:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Not if they are over a month old, we normally don't do them regularly so that images don't get dropped immediately before they can get used, they do get purged semi-regularly though.--Karek^maps?! 16:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)

So the ones from 2006 should just have gone then? Cheers. --Rosslessness ^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 17:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Whenever a page is deleted, many of the images that were on it appear on that page. They're cleared out every now and then (whenever a sysop decides to go through the list). It's actually better if it's not done all that quickly, because if someone wants their page back once they notice it's gone, the images cant be retrieved if they're deleted as well. Image deletion is permanent -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)

[edit] "Unilateral decision"

You griped about my "unilateral decision". I dont see how what i did was been any different to what you have been doing for 14 months. Oh, except for me doing it instead of you. Dont bitch and try to start new "tradition" just because theres a faster draw in town. Now, im not adverse to making it so that we have to discuss it first between ourselves in future, but dont go acting as though its always been done, or attacking me because i have merely followed in your glorious unilateral footsteps, because i spoke to Vantar back before Karek was promoted, and there was no cross crat communication on promotions happening back then, and you havent even tried to strike any up prior to now (Or even now, its me doing it). --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Ok. Heres the dealio. You have until J3D's bid comes due to open a discourse with me about it. You can find me in IRC, the rummers will point you in the right direction for me, as will the people in #XIII. If not ill unilaterally reject J3D's bid on multiple grounds, most notably the fact that he wants to focus on A/VB, and his judgement is appallingly bad, such as not spotting Finis for the troll he is and ignoring him, and instead engaging in multiple acts of vandalism against him. Also, his judgement on several cases is pretty poor, such as assuming poor form = bad faith (Whitehouse case in May this year), repeated instances of shitting up A/VB in violation of the page guidelines (See how much of his crap is there in the archives).

A Demonstrable history of immaturity, not to mention attempting to rule on that case in question, which cheese should have soft warned him for at least. In the last couple of months he has become quite the little shit disturber, which is the exact opposite of what he should be doing.
Making a mess on A/VB and tossing in how two cents left right and center on the main page instead of the talk, as well as numerous acts of vandalism on his part indicate he has little respect for rules or guidelines except where they serve his interests, and is thus nowhere near appropriate sysopm material. Not now, and most likely not ever, unless he seriously cleans up his act for a very long period of time. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 18:51, 26 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] Stuff I'm Thinking About

I'm seriously contemplating moving barricade plans to group subpages, as it's where they should have been in the first place and will stop all this pointless bickering.--Karek^maps?! 05:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Trouble with that solution is that it's usualy a collaborative effort between survivor groups/individuals, rather than each group in an area "owning" their own plan -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:02 24 July 2008 (BST)

UBP subpages for the ones that are UBP group "neutral".--Karek^maps?! 10:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I know we could fit them somewhere, I just don't feel that it is a good thing. They are usually a community resource, and even though they are survivor POV, they should remain as a community page if possible. I don't remember much drama coming from them before the Dunell Hills situation. The occasional dispute about whether a building should be an entry point, or EHB... but meh, that's what arbies is for -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:28 24 July 2008 (BST)

This whole thing has gone so far out of proportion. I think the Santlerville model is the best. Survivor orientated cade plan on the page with the larger plan linked to and a zombie plan linked to from the bottom of the page, everyone's happy.--J3D 10:31, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Funny J3d, as a zombie minded player I've always found those plans to be more of an insult than most things on the wiki. --Karek^maps?!

you talking about the actual cade plans or the zombie 'plans'? I find the zombie ones pretty shitty but if people want them there i figure they should be allowed to, despite the fact that serve no actual purpose...--J3D 10:37, 24 July 2008 (BST)

The zombie ones. It's just an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue.--Karek^maps?! 10:39, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I could see this becoming Wan's a/a case v2.0...the wiki is here to provide information to players, barricade plans (majority enforced ones) do that...while i can understand some people not liking them on the suburb page that should at the very least have a full sized heading explaining the purpose of the cade plan, the major local groups who endorse it and to what scale it is followed with a sizeable link to the actual cade plan because as much as you might not like them they are an important resource for survivor players.--J3D 10:42, 24 July 2008 (BST)

That's one of the great ironies about this, they aren't, the other one, of course, is that the same people that use them now will still use them if they're moved off of the suburb pages.--Karek^maps?! 11:07, 24 July 2008 (BST)

As a self confessed zombie player you aren't really the right person to judge whether or not cade plans are an important survivor resource. While i agree they are largely bullshit i use them when i'm out of town and need to find an ep, you'd be suprised how often the ep the cade plan points to is the one that is in use, regardless of whether or not i feel it is the most logical choice for an entry point to a resource building. Anyway as to your second point - i agree, so move them to a subpage of the suburb but keep them well linked so people can find them! If a suburb is having a tantrum then you can look into splitting them into 'group cade plans' or whatever but 99% suburbs don't need that.--J3D 13:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I'm a zombie player, not an idiot. That being said I have frequently participated in the survivor game for quite some time now, it's both how I started playing and how I ended playing, I classify myself as a zombie player not because I'm biased to their side but because I refuse to associate myself with the "survivor" mindset and I prefer the "zombie" metagame. And to refrain from using a segway I've already used; I've had this discussion before and wasn't the only one who came to the conclusion, 99% of them aren't followed and never have been(I only know of one suburb that I could ever say consistently did).--Karek^maps?!

It's not "an occasional dispute" this has been going on for over 2 years now and it's because of the absurdly POV nature of them that contributes to the general POV nature of the suburb pages. They're group resources_{(I doubt you'd dispute that)} it's idiotic for us to leave them on community pages, especially when they never should have been there in the first place. It's a major nuisance and one we should have solved long ago.--Karek^maps?! 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I've no problem with them coming off the suburb pages. I'll help with that. But I don't think group sub-pages is the place for them. Suburbname Barricade Plan (as seen on Category:Barricade plans) would be the place I'd put them -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:37 24 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] Bots

Category:Bots could probably use classifying as Special:Listusers/Bots so the wiki regards them as such, although I'm not exactly sure what the differences are/would be beyond the Special:Recentchanges filter.--Karek^maps?! 10:09, 14 July 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure it does something else, but I can't remember off-hand. It would be useful to have them in that user-group though. Means we can filter out Bot edits on recent changes and keep track of "official" bots. -- Cheese ^{WTF!RandomSysOp?} 10:40, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Is it that bot edits (from bots listed by a crat as such in Listuers) are hidden on recent changes? Perhaps we need a bot policy, so that they are approved before having their user status changed, and also making it clear that they can be banned as soon as seen malfunctioning, or when making non approved edits? They should probably have specific purposes, and if they step outside those bounds, be disabled -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:01 14 July 2008 (BST)

Noticed that my bots had suddenly moved up in the world. Thanks for the addition of that user group. As far as a policy/approval group goes, it seems a bit overkill since there's only a few bots, and the fact I'm the only one making them. I try to include a decent overview of their operations (and indeed a message about temporary bans) on their user pages anyway. These things are also only manually operated, the only way they can destroy the wiki is if I'm maliciously inclined or I somehow screw up to the 10th power. The few errors that have happened in the past get reverted by myself, or some nice wiki user if I miss them. -- ^The Rooster 18:41, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Still, it would get everything all clear cut and shiny. Which is always useful for anyone else wanting to make a bot. If we have it in writing, they know what they can and can't do. -- Cheese ^{WTF!RandomSysOp?} 15:31, 15 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] My retardation.

If I want an image in a frame and resized, any idea how i'd code it?

On an unrelated note.In relation to this The Great Suburb Group Massacre do you think 2 weeks is not enough time? --Rosslessness ^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 15:25, 12 July 2008 (BST)

No Boxy, that's not resizing, try--Karek^maps?! 17:13, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Sunflowers

Like this? :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 17:22 12 July 2008 (BST)

creeps

Cheers chaps, --Rosslessness ^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 17:31, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the comments boxy. In answer to your questions.

• Yes. It will be time consuming, about 6 weeks worth in fact. But i reckon I can probably remove 30% of all groups. After which it will be less stressful, they've just never been properly done before.
• In future I will make it burb specific, but for now its just the truly inactive groups im purging. Besides who wants to get dragged into a "Were active in this suburb" debate? A hilly suburb on our western border alone would probably implode if i asked that question. I will make the cahnge but not yet.
• As for the timestamp idea, its possible, Maybe a {{Welcomegroup}} template explaining how things work? But thats for the future, ive only just finished the location pages for vinetown, and i fear my brain will give up...--Rosslessness ^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 11:17, 13 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] Sigh

Why must you ruin everything!?!?!--J3D 04:06, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Calling everyone "fucking retards" is not cool on community pages, and the people with the French template on their pages don't have anything to do with the place (it works just as well without the link anyway)... and I like fried chicken :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 11:18 12 July 2008 (BST)

The fucking retards thing was funny, and we need an ELiM link on the page somewhere. French thing is meh, and wikipedia clearly states that african american's like fried chicken...--J3D 15:14, 12 July 2008 (BST)

I'll give you fried chicken :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 17:03 12 July 2008 (BST)

Link plox.--Karek^maps?! 17:36, 12 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] Wiki

Hey Boxy, I noticed that at about 1 AM GMT-6, all the wiki's text got much larger. I've check on other sites and deleted all my cookies, etc., so I know it's not my browser. Any info? -Student VM 08:36, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Has it cleared itself up? Often closing the browser/puter and restarting fixes these little glitches. Only thing that I can think of is that you may have upped the font size on the page. I use firefox, and occasionally bump the mouse scroll wheel while holding in ctrl. This can change the font size up or down on individual sites while not affecting other web pages in different tabs -- boxy ^{talk • i} 11:22 12 July 2008 (BST)

Ah, much thanks Boxy! -Student VM 20:11, 12 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] Warning

Hey Boxy. :) Can you strike one of my warnings for me? It's been a month and I've made over 250 edits. -- Cheese ^{WTF!RandomSysOp?} 10:40, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Done... fly straight -- boxy ^{talk • i} 15:34 8 July 2008 (BST)

Thank you. :) I'll be good now. -- Cheese ^{WTF!RandomSysOp?} 10:56, 11 July 2008 (BST)

[edit] RE: Standzs

Hi. I change that because Standzs is one of my 2 characters and I´m not playing more with it. --suver 15:18, 30 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] My bad

Sorry, in the swapping over of discussion from main page to talk page, I missed your comment you placed after my rant. I have replied to it now, and I honestly look forward to hearing more.--MichaelRead The Coordinates of the Big Brother House are 599 - 97 which is in Southeast Borehamwood ^{الله من الخدمة ALiM Project CP} 14:55, 26 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] RE: Cheap shot

;) --Nick? Support Project CP KTHXBYE 13:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Aqua Teen Template Force

	Play on Names
	This user received a template with his likeness. Get it? Boxy Brown says "Ah, I don't want no cake, I want me some pie! You understand what I'm sayin'?"

You get a Play on Names Template. Why? You really need a reason? Fine. Cause we are the Aqua Teens, make the homeys say ho and the girlies wanna scream. Number one in the hood, G. Enjoy. --Tselita 02:58, 26 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Imposter/Impersonation type sig

Bronz93 has a sig which makes me believe that the user is trying to impersonate boxy (you) right [here] and also [here]. Just look at it [here]. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - הפוסל במומו פוסל ^TMG 01:53, 24 June 2008 (BST)

I don't think he's trying to impersonate me, but I've asked him to remove it anyway. No idea what that's all about -- boxy ^{talk • i} 07:34 24 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Election

Crat election is over. Time to tally the votes, check for socks, and do whatever else needs to be done. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 07:54, 21 June 2008 (BST)

There was some UD flooding that I saw on a spray paint in the game yesterday. It's probably still there.

-- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - הפוסל במומו פוסל ^TMG 08:02, 21 June 2008 (BST)

I find it funny how about half the gnome votes are really anti-me votes :D --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 09:58, 21 June 2008 (BST)

Congratz, dammit. Ye've thwarted me plans, fer now... also, I don't know who sprayed that message. -- AHLGTH 02:13, 23 June 2008 (BST)

Nooo....neither do i... *looks left, looks right, fades into the night*--J3D 08:33, 23 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Why

Template groups?--J3D 07:21, 17 June 2008 (BST)

So that we can track when groups are added to the list, and perhaps, in the future, set up a system where groups can be removed regularly if not updated... a fringe benefit may be that edit conflicts on the group lists doesn't mean that the whole page needs locking -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:54 17 June 2008 (BST)

Makes sense, me likey.--J3D 14:01, 17 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] A/A

Use my talk page if you wanna talk to me.--J3D 13:06, 10 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Warning

And lord knows, my life would be cast adrift in purposelessness if that ever happened! Please, somebody hold me! SporeSore 12:30, 6 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Banning

I don't know if I did it correctly, but I don't want it to look like I went power mad. Nemesis Omega came up under the same IP as Mister Game and to me that is a sock puppet account. If I screwed it up, I wanted to come to you first and say, 'hey, did I do this right?'. I don't dabble in the bannings and floggings and what-nots very often. So if I screw them up I would hope that someone would correct me and not instantly misconduct me. Thanks.--– Nubis 15:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Come *ON*.

Like you didn't see this coming.--Jorm 06:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Of course I did. Meh -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:51 5 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Vandalism

If you really want to get all worked up about someone committing real vandalism there's some extremely funky stuff going on on Tselita's talk page that is being ignored.--Karek^maps?! 02:00, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Are you talking about her reworking posts even when made by a sysop in an official manner? Or the ugly color scheme and layout? Sometimes I think we need some sort of Style Policy or at least a Tacky Escalation ladder.- :)-– Nubis 02:18, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Pfft. I didn't delete his posts - I deleted them, and if he didnt mix 'official sysop' posts with unofficial personal attacks I wouldn't have had to bother to. Don't want me to delete your posts on my user page? Simple solution - don't post there. Read the rules for my user page on the top. --Tselita 16:21, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Listen up, idiot. If you don't want him to post on your page, don't fucking reply to, or start ranting about him when you delete his posts. It's not a complicated concept, even for a chick -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)

While we're at it, why don't you give Gardenator a warning for writing harassing posts on my user page as well 'talking about labias' - Nah that would be fair and unbiased and we all love the Goons, don't we Nubis and Karek? --Tselita 16:24, 5 June 2008 (BST)

If he edits your post to spell out LABIA I will personally give him a warning for vandalism. Until then saying "dirty" words is not against the rules.--– Nubis 16:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Piss off to your own talk pages -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)

[edit] Images

After 17 days of slaving away Rosslessness and I have brought the amount of uncategorized images down to 1390. There are a few images in there that are [deleted] but won't go away (same with the uncategorized pages). I plan on going through the main categories and cross referencing any images that can go in more than one, but we figured getting all of them in at least one was the main goal. Soon you will be able to remove the link from your sig! Just keeping you updated in case you missed it. --– Nubis 20:33, 4 June 2008 (BST)

That's a lot of work, great stuff. :D -- AHLGTH 21:38, 4 June 2008 (BST)

I'm going to make a medal for those two first chance I get...--The Big Brother Diary Room is at 551 - 85 Sheep to spam: Always ! 21:43, 4 June 2008 (BST)

I hope its shaped like a cookie..... 1343 by the way. --Rosslessne