Talk:Characters of Note

Nomination Information

How to nominate

To nominate any given Urban Dead character for "Character of Note" status, simply start a new header in this section with the name of that character. Supply information on why this is a character of note, and please include any links that may be important.

Every character nominated will then undergo a numbered vote. Please do not use the vote area for discussion beyond explaining your position. After seven days or at least ten votes (whichever occurs first) the nomination voting for that character is closed. At least 2/3 majority of approving votes is necessary for the character to be added to the main page.

Characters can be put up for nomination again after 60 days.

Characters can be nominated for removal by using the same process as nomination. In this instance, however, removal requests must not be repeated within 60 days and the character can be re-nominated for inclusion at any time.

EXAMPLE CHARACTER NOMINATION

I am nominating (CHARACTER NAME) for "Character of Interest" status. In this span of text, I am explaining why I think they're so darned important. In closing, this is where I would put some links to various groups, events, or humorous things they've created. -- NominatingGuy

1. Accept Yeah let's put this dude on. -- Exampleman
2. Accept Yeah let's put this dude on. -- Exampleman2
3. Reject I don't know who this is. -- Rejecty_Joe

Discussion Below This Line!

What?--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 14:02, 15 September 2012 (BST)

Was thinking about it. Someone mentioned you having the 'keys' to the entire thing, and I thought... Hell, why isn't this a public endeavor? Why should people 'submit' and hope one person agrees with them on such a broad and immaterial concept like "importance"? Well, not that I think anyone will actually care, but here's the opportunity for folks to have a democratic version. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 18:43, 15 September 2012 (BST)

Imagine someone else (me?) started the "Persons of Note" section in their own userspace, and when you nominated, say, Uncle Zeddie, the response was "Nah, making a handful of radio broadcasts doesn't make you important. Denied." Essentially that's your system, so if anyone wants it, this is one nobody is 'in charge' of. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 18:46, 15 September 2012 (BST)

got you, somewhere there's the conversation about this. Basically it was placed there whilst under construction, to minimise drama and edit conflicts, before being moved out of the namespace, for others to fuck up.--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 18:56, 15 September 2012 (BST)

How many pages does this failure of an idea actually need? Also nice votes on all of those characters. Oh wait. You might as well just let people add shit to the page, that way it saves another bunch of shit to vote on and accusations of meat puppetry/popularity contests that this will no doubt degenerate into. Oh and way to gloss over the shady pasts of some of the people on the list. One of them totally wasn't banned for their own group for hacking and spying on another group, and another totally didn't get herself zerg listed, pantsed, and booted out of her group too. -- Goribus 19:53, 15 September 2012 (BST)

I figure you're the type that would look at a block of wood and critique the toothpick. Don't stress out over an imaginary theoretical outcome, eh? -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:49, 17 September 2012 (BST)

I nominate the following as Noteworthy Characters:

• Cornholio
• Amazing's Ego
• Axe Hack's undeserved sense of accomplishment
• Mark Whalberg
• Finnis
• Fedcom President
• Another terrible idea because this is exploitable as shit and all it takes is a crowd of meat puppets to get someone on the list. -- Goribus 19:53, 15 September 2012 (BST)

My point entirely. Incidentally, care to elaborate on the stuff above. Im always willing to learn more about the dark pasts of characters.--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 19:59, 15 September 2012 (BST)

I'm sure that someone who actually cares will. But that's my point actually. Derp let's make a category for persons of note and be ignorant of some of the things they're infamous for. I'm out. See you in another month or so when someone badgers me to check the wiki. -- Goribus 20:38, 15 September 2012 (BST)

Thanks!--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 20:40, 15 September 2012 (BST)

Seconds on Corn, Finnis and Mark Whalberg; they're names that precede their actions and also fuck this page. 00:28, 16 September 2012 (BST)

So don't participate? Also, how was the nomination area above not clear? :D :D :D -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 00:33, 16 September 2012 (BST)

Zergers of Note. Let's do it Mis! A ZOMBIE ANT 12:53, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Finis, Corn, Nataka, Extinction? I'm not much good at this. I generally needed to be given a list of names to look for by someone who knew better. 13:15, 17 September 2012 (BST)

^ Assumes anyone cares enough about UD, the UDWiki, and this list to employ a 'horde of meat puppets'. Let me know when it happens, I'll get my shotgun and we'll all enjoy some flying pork sandwiches. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 22:04, 15 September 2012 (BST)

You really haven't been here for the last few years, have you. You'll learn. A ZOMBIE ANT 01:14, 17 September 2012 (BST)

You're right I'm being naive -- Wow, look at the stampede of abusive puppets! WHOA! Puppets all around us! OH GOD I CAN TASTE THE FELT. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:49, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Haha just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's been a BIG issue in the past with wankfests like this, seriously are you actually arguing against this with conviction? A ZOMBIE ANT 02:23, 17 September 2012 (BST)

No, I'm making fun of you. Thought that was obvious, sorry - I sometimes come off as arguing with conviction when I'm just mocking someone. Also, it's out of love. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 03:54, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Sigh. Sorry. This is me being typically bad at detecting a joking mock. A ZOMBIE ANT 10:21, 17 September 2012 (BST)

What sucks is that I was so dedicated to the joke that I made sure I was familiar with the actual taste of felt. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:45, 18 September 2012 (BST)

Why did the main community entry say someone's made a "democratic characters of note"? shouldn't it say "butthurt characters of note"? A ZOMBIE ANT 01:14, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Says the pained fudge factory worried about someone else's wiki page. Don't lose sleep over this shit, man. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:49, 17 September 2012 (BST)

.....Right. A ZOMBIE ANT 02:23, 17 September 2012 (BST)

You seem to be forgetting that mainspace pages don't have ownership. He's raising a consensus issue and thus is more in the right than you? --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 02:40, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Which is to say an issue with the terms used to refer to the voting. Not his asinine insult it was covered in as that seems to be the tone desired for this page. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 02:42, 17 September 2012 (BST)

As always, if you don't like it, pitch in with some helping hands and let's fix this shit. If you don't want to pitch in, why bother jawing about it? -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 03:54, 17 September 2012 (BST)

My point is you're jawing about people bringing up issues with this page and picking stupid fights like it's in your namespace. If you want to have people contribute stop shitting all over people with commentary to contribute. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 04:21, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Actually, I didn't pick any fights. I responded. This takes me back. Nostalgia. People just saying things that make them sound right. Placing the 'fight' on my shoulders and ignoring everyone else freaking out over absolutely nothing. Ahh, good times. I definately welcome contribution! Someone start contributing instead of just saying the page sucks or I suck. It could be fun. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 05:04, 17 September 2012 (BST)

It can be claimed, obviously, that mainspace pages "don't have ownership", however I don't think it would be any more acceptable to thwart my intentions for this page than, say, my going and changing around or messing with someone else's. Still don't understand the "whatever suits me at the moment" debate style that seems to occur on this site. Do I seriously have equal right of ownership and ability to fundamentally change any mainspace page on this wiki as I see fit? It's a straight-up yes/no here. If it's yes, then WOW, I have some pages to change. If it's no, then I am perfectly within the realm of correctness to say "someone else's wiki page" - though the idea you care to argue the point in the first place is mystifyingly absurd. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 03:54, 17 September 2012 (BST)

To be frank, I've seen a couple folks off-site refer to Ross' list, people absent, and how he has the keys to it. How it's pointless to try nominating someone, and so on. Granted this is not some huge groundswell of discontent, I'm just talking about a couple blips here and there. So frankly, based on my previous experience with the "We don't think influential people are influential if we don't like them, by the way this funny guy who did nothing is awesome" jive, I decided - Hell, nobody likes me anyway, so why not just fucking make an "open" page for people to actually use the way they want if they want to. And of course if they don't want to, which is usually the norm, I can at least say "quit bitching about Ross' list, then". -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 03:54, 17 September 2012 (BST)

That has yet to happen with Ross' page. Name someone other than yourself(as your behavior makes this a given) that hasn't been added because "we don't like them". It's mostly you throwing fits about a zombie bias that lives in your head on a user's page who is most well known for being not a zombie and generally unbiased. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 04:21, 17 September 2012 (BST)

It's weird how much you sound like some bygone brute scolding the woman in his kitchen. Anyway, I don't have to tell you jack shit about people left off. Look at the talk page, then look at the list itself. Try connecting the unarguably "notable" people nominated with their corresponding entries on the page. On the flip-side, where are the nominations for half the folks ON the list? Face it, Kerek. It's just a whack-off with Ross adding who he wants/likes/prefers. (Ross, I'm not saying that's a bad thing - it's just the reason I made this page.) Face it, Karek, face it. FACE IT. With your FACE. This thing ---> :o) -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 05:00, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Everyone on the list was either nominated here or in the original historical pages discussion. I'll leave you to your own insults and talking in circles now, based on your actions it seems to be all you made this page for. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 05:08, 17 September 2012 (BST)

I was invited to a UD fan group, checked it out, and saw talk about the Persons of Interest page and who was or wasn't on it, and all the shit I've already mentioned. So I made a quick hop over and made this page figuring nobody else would want the possible flak. Any other percieved reason for doing it is just your own bias. No sweat, though, not like I'm shocked that you and the clique reacted the way you did. I don't hold it against you or anyone else - basically this is your years-long unshifting sandcastle and anything you disagree with in the slightest must be immediately weighed down with notices of your discontent. Proof is in the fact you're obviously only here to moan about its existence. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 05:16, 17 September 2012 (BST)

What's the going rule on how much time has to pass before discussion can be archived? Would be nice to move ahead w/o the drama. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 07:04, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Amazing, as a guy who doesn't really play anymore or edit anymore other than to bug everyone and say hi and as one of the people on that FB fan group who was trying to show those other fuck sticks that since this is a community page and Ross DOESN'T hold the keys to it, I would just like to let you know that you're doing that whole overly defensive thing combined with a little less than optimal history skills. We had this entire stint when the Dead showed up where we were all fighting about who's a sock, should non-contributing meat puppets have a vote, etc etc. It was and is still a bit of a legit concern. I know if I threw a post or two up in some places I could get a fairly large amount of votes on something if I wanted to.

That said, you also have been just as unproductive towards discussion as some of these other cunts. An example would be Gorb's comment on how it completely missed some fairly heavy back story with some of those who are on said list (IE Goolies). Your response was to tell him to not worry about it and you blew it off. How can people NOT think this isn't a censored and controlled list if:

1. Entire sections of characters back stories are ignored
2. One of the creators tells users to not worry about their legit concerns?

On to the next topic. You have also claimed that "hurrr unpopular people won't make the list due to derrrr". Again, please brush up on the past few years of wiki history. Things have changed a decent amount since your initial experiences.

You have cited multiple times the varying degrees of people spouting bullshit or saying things and overall being mean to you.

My good mang, while abrasive and not exactly the best way to go about it, quite a few of the comments on here that you've responded to are legit concerns, yet you've claimed that everyone is just trying to make you look bad, and/or have just responded with vitriol. If some of these concerns are legit, yet you've made no attempts to respond to said claims, on what grounds do you legitimately think you can claim to be the martyr in this situation?

Also, all of this is based solely off of this page. I haven't actually got around to checking out Ross's page.

So yeah, chill dude. Use civility even in the face of overwhelming negativity, especially when trying to make a community project.

Also, I'm sleepy. :C--SA 19:17, 17 September 2012 (BST)

My bad on the Goribus response. I was only intending to address the meat puppetry part. The speculative future of meat puppetry, etc. The rest I didn't comment on in some absurd and misguided attempt at not getting on either side of more drama than the going "this page sucks" thing. On the subject of unpopular people getting a fair shot at sharing the limelight with friends of the regime, I admit I don't know of any examples since I haven't checked all the corners. There are some you could theoretically show me, right? People disliked, but given props on an "officially awesome" feature or the like... -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:51, 18 September 2012 (BST)

Oh my god, that's rich! No drama?!? This is the WIKI!!! *snorts* But seriously? This page is a farce and you know it. --Lois ^{talk 10MFH} 11:52, 17 September 2012 (BST)

HOLY CRAP, LOIS. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:54, 18 September 2012 (BST)

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone is really stopping you from archiving it. However, I'd strongly suggest not worrying about it as archiving it while people are still hopping mad won't solve anything, it'll remain a problem regardless. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:52, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Also, archiving with anything close to recent discussion is frowned upon on user pages, and pretty much heresy on community pages.--SA 19:35, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Is this the point where I'm expected to say "Dance, my pretties! Dance!" ? Because I'm not going to. D:< -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:45, 18 September 2012 (BST)

Formatting Thoughts

To provide a clear and meaningful spat of gibberish relating to each listed character, what would everyone/anyone think about adding a routine format for the listings? Something like "The Good, The Bad, and The Legacy". The idea being that the first header is the good, what the person in question contributed, then the bad - the dark underbelly - hey maybe they even moved past it, then the legacy, a short blurb about what came of it, either the good, the bad, or both. For example: "Players can no longer wear boxer shorts on their heads because of the glitch that was found." Mull it over, if not this format than perhaps another similarly exploring each angle fairly and equally for every listing? -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 03:42, 18 September 2012 (BST)

Start Over!

If this page is to actually be A Thing then we need to blank it and go forwards with the nomination process. Also, Amazing, you need to chill! To have any legitimacy, it needs to be a community effort; that'll only happen gradually, and if you post passive-aggressive replies to literally everything on the page that'll just stifle discussion and kill the project. Honestly, I reckon your best bet would be to stand back altogether: it might not be the case, but it certainly looks like you're butthurt over Ross's non-inclusion of you and are just stirring up drama by making your own project. There's more whining and whinging in a single day here on this discussion page than in Ross's whole effort; cut your losses and let's archive and start over, or just abandon it now to the drama. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:30, 18 September 2012 (BST)

Yeah I definitely agree with this- if it's gonna be new and democratic etc. start from scratch. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:54, 18 September 2012 (BST)

i agree completely with the mustache. and amazing you should be left out just because you are a whiney little baby that has not changed since you were rightfully banned for be being a complete shit. you were not missed, no one cared. shut fuck up already. go work on your shity game that no one plays.--User:Sexualharrison13:22, 18 September 2012

Damn, dawg. You got any more acid to spit? D: --SA 13:24, 18 September 2012 (BST)

it's the new year. it's all the forced exposure to my fucked up family.. it makes me a little quick to anger. plus I'm just sick of his bullshit... again.--User:Sexualharrison13:29, 18 September 2012

Honestly I don't know why I should suffer insult becuase your family sucks and you don't realize you belong in that group. Don't take your shit out on me, bro. -- BUT OTHER THAN THAT LET'S BE BESTUS FRIENDS, KAY? :D Plus I don't care if I'm on the list, I just care if other people like me get a shot. Sort of. Shrug. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 18:13, 18 September 2012 (BST)

It seems there's a wide concensus for blanking the page and starting anew. Not just here but anywhere it's been discussed. I haven't seen a single opposing note, so I'm going to wait a bit to see if any crop up, then go ahead and redo or reboot the front page. I'm more than happy/willing to step aside as long as it's for an actual democratic process or whoever wants to create it. It's been several months since my joking self-nomination was shot down on Ross' page and I realized - hey - that was kind of betraying the core idea of notability vs. likability. However, my "butthurtish" reaction was probably this thing. The "Characters of Note" page only came about months later on a whim based in other users' Facebook chatter. So what I'm getting at is that yes I'm altruistically trying to set up something worthwhile, I just suck at it. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 18:13, 18 September 2012 (BST)

Let me know what you guys think of the front page, now. I want this (just my opinion!) to be accessable to someone who's never even played. If someone hits the Notable Characters page as one of the first things they ever read, I feel like it should excite and interest them... that means staying away from inside lingo and impenetrable political details for the most part. Instead of "Hoopty1 was leader of the GREP and battled STP over a rez point that was griefed by Rotters", maybe "Hoopty1 lead a group called GREP which was at war with another called STP because the latter group stopped them from reviving their members." ... Or whatever. One man's opinion, nothing more. I left Bub on the list because I-don't-even-need-to-explain-this-jesus. :) -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:25, 19 September 2012 (BST)

Also, what are we thinking on the democratic process? Super-majority as Karek mentioned? -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 02:42, 19 September 2012 (BST)

I don't think things should be too tough to make it in, otherwise even a little contest could cause a good nomination to fall (and the way things like historical groups go, expect resistance to a bunch of good nominations). I think (as mentioned in the last sentence) that historical groups voting would be a good thing to look at as I imagine lots of the same attitudes and values will go into voting for this. Which is why, in my unimaginitive state, I would suggest 2/3rds majority required. A ZOMBIE ANT 03:40, 19 September 2012 (BST)

I was thinking it might be interesting to alter the voting terminology to something like "Familiar" or "Unfamiliar" to the voting user. IE: They are familiar or unfamiliar with the nominated character and/or their contributions. Saying "I want to reject this" is a sight different from literally saying "I've seen no effect from their presense". I could be just dreaming though and it wouldn't stop any puppetry or otherwise shady voting. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 04:37, 19 September 2012 (BST)

Well, I find that the opportunity to vote against/for, yes/no, whatever it is, I find the comments alongside the usually carry the weight. Sure, you could put familiar/not familiar, but people will still have comments and they will (as I think they tend to do on the historical voting) make or break the nomination. If someone I find influential, or more knowledgeable than me (which is most) votes, I usually pay more attention to their knowledge and opinion of the subject via the comment than the vote itself. This, I believe, sways voters more than anything on the nomination. So... personally? I think familiar/unfamiliar is unnecessary and the comments are enough, but that's just my assessment and it might not be as important as I think. A ZOMBIE ANT 05:47, 19 September 2012 (BST)

Council of The Revenants

zambah zmazh

Sgt Erikson

Che Guerrilla

Pero Djetlic

Zantu Kudac

Layne Mallory

characters of note like these go unnoticed. what makes them noteworthy? Jensentown. they are responsible for keeping that place green until a zombie "group" like Ze Purists rises from the ashes of Skinheads Army, Nazi Zombies, or Chinese Army. -- →Son of Sin← 06:11, 20 September 2012 (BST)

Literally never heard of you guys, and keeping an unimportant suburb green when no zombies want it isn't exactly a big achievement. What else did any of these characters do to be noteworthy? --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 09:01, 20 September 2012 (BST)

that's exactly why i'm nominating them, because everyone here thinks a suburb is unimportant if no major battle(s) was fought there, a group or person isn't notable if they have not been mentioned on this wiki (or forums?). there are a lot of long-time players who don't have a wiki account to partake in cock fights. no, they have not fought endlessly for months against zombies, but they don't allow possible zerg groups (mentioned above) keep them down. they are the true survivalists of Malton...like an online family. -- →Son of Sin← 09:08, 22 September 2012 (BST)

I'd feel more comfortable with a reason for each person's nomination, what they specifically did, their legacy, etc. That might just be me. You are Amazing and you are banned. You have 0 Friends and ∞ Experience Points. 18:26, 20 September 2012 (BST)

well I don't know them, so I can't provide that information. i suppose i am just a fan. -- →Son of Sin← 09:08, 22 September 2012 (BST)

Um, your suburbs currently listed as a ghost town. Thats not a great first step. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 18:51, 20 September 2012 (BST)

I have dealt with Pero inside and outside of the game. While he is an overall handy guy, he's a loooooooong shot from Ron Burgundy, Sirens or Jorm as far as notoriety and influence goes. The remainder? Haven't even ever heard of them. -- Spiderzed█ 20:30, 20 September 2012 (BST)

as I mentioned above, Ze Purists, a group I believe is another cornolioo group, ruined Dakerstown, Jensentown, Roywood. Since the groups in those suburbs don't metagame, they can't call for help. Radio transmitters and gennies are destroyed by Iron Guard (one of corniloo's alts). I am not a member of The Revenants, nor any group for that matter, but I've seen the local groups work together in-game without radio communication. -- →Son of Sin← 09:08, 22 September 2012 (BST)

Holy cow, is he there now? I'll get my coat. Harrison, Assemble!--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 09:26, 22 September 2012 (BST)