Talk:Escendo Numerus/Archive

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This is EN's talk archive. Please do not edit or add any additional comments to this page. If you would like to contact us, we can be reached here. Thank you. --Adrian Jeshua 15:41, 29 March 2007 (BST)

Hey Fellas

Uh, yeh just thought I'd let you know we're now at war. I know, isn't it exciting?! So yeh I'll cya around :) Call me! -- Nallan (Nick) of the BBK

This is not war. This is pest control. Heh. I think we're the ones who declared war on you last night, homeslice. It would have been more, but we didn't know you had infested Waddon Towers so completely. Regardless, we've killed off the vermin in Huntley Heights and you guys were griefing us at revive points in Santler. What do you think we were going to do? Give you roses? Eh. I hope you guys will have as much fun in this conflict as we will.

Oh, yeah. In the future when making posts to our talk page, please use the date stamp feature. Click this button after you've made your posts: . It makes it easier for everyone. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 22:54, 16 April 2007 (BST)

Yeh sorry I only just read that bit on signing. I'll do it from now on. Pest control? Gosh I'm gonna have to think up some witty one liners to use on you... And I'm sure we will have fun, after all, isn't that what we're here for? Keep in touch. --Nallan 02:58, 17 April 2007 (AEST)

p.s. how do you change your timezone? it keeps coming up with BST and I'm not British. I need it to say AEST and I keep having to go back and change it after I've posted. any help appreciated. --Nallan 03:08, 17 April 2007 (BST)

I think if you go on over to My Preferences and the Date and Time tab, there's a little button that says "Fill in from Browser." Clicking that gives you the difference of the server time to your local time. That should work.

Anywho, much like Ade I hope you guys have as much fun as we do. This stuff's all in good faith, after all. I might see you ingame, who knows. Spicy A 03:32, 17 April 2007 (BST)

Holy shit, do we have a respectable enemy here? Good show! You guys have already earned a some of my respect! --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:14, 17 April 2007 (BST)

Haha, you're making it hard for me, it seems like if I put you at the top we'd be forgetting the reason we're all here in the first place - zombies. Your're at the top of our human enemies list, of course. Obviously you're our most hated human group, you'll never be anything less. Come on, don't stay mad... --Nallan 03:36, 19 April 2007 (BST)

Ah, well... hate is still good. LET THE HATERED FLOW! FLOW LIKE THE BLOOD FROM A SLASHED THROAT. ... Uh... ::Coughs.:: Best of luck with the Zombies and making Santy a livable suburb. Have fun! --Spicy A 05:13, 19 April 2007 (BST)

I had to read your comment twice to get it straight, my Spicy empress. I thought you typed goat for a moment and I became intensely interested. Nallan, of course! We'd never expect to be at the absolute top of your list over night. You're a survivor group, you kill zeds. It's what you do best! I'm just happy to be the top of the human threat list for the time being.

Not looking for kudos or anything. But the other day I refrained from offing a level one BBK. Being murdered sucks something fierce without lurching gait and ankle grab. Even I wouldn't go so far. I guess karma rewarded me, I found a 4H goon in the next building! Heh. I'll try to keep it as a rule of thumb for myself in the future. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:24, 19 April 2007 (BST)

Malton Murder Awards Nominee

	Malton Murder Award Nominee
	This User or Group has been nominated by the general populace for engaging with in the murderous ways of Malton. Be sure to vote here for your choice by 23.00 GMT on the 15th!

Best Newcomer: Escendo Numerus

Best Newcomer: Adrian Jeshua

Good luck! --Karloth Vois ^RR 23:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Greeting From Vigeous

Hey guys. Just letting you know I support your current battle against the smear campaign from the 4H. And I give you guys a good luck in all your killings. -- Vigeous _RHA 02:46, 2 April 2007 (BST)

Hey Vigeous. We really appreciate your support. If you ever launch a one man campaign and need support, call on us. We'll bust some heads together. Adrian Jeshua 02:58, 2 April 2007 (BST)

Thanks, my friend. It's always nice to have some support, especially when it comes to issues like this. I could bore you with tales of their screaming zerg, how I'm an alt of my good friend Jeshua, trying to get our UD accounts deleted, getting the group itself deleted and getting into things that don't even concern them regarding allies, which just goes to show how much they hate us and wish to destroy anything connected with us.

But regardless, thanks again for sticking with us. It means a lot. Josh Reveka 03:06, 2 April 2007 (BST)

The 4H Vanquished?

Hey there! Looks like the 4-H have completely given up on Huntley Heights and their active membership is only half of what it once was from a month or so ago. Long time members and leaders have been jumping ship recently, like Mark Williams and the infamous Aiden Hodder. Is this the end of the 4-H? How sad, seems I've done more for Huntley Heights in the last week than their entire organization has mustered. It's like they've given up. As it is now, I'm holding down my own little residence in the surburb quite well. Swing on by sometime and say "Hi". It's rather empty around here. --DirskoSM 16:12, 5 April 2007 (BST)

Malk, my good friend. How are you? I tried to PM you on your forums awhile ago, but I guess you never received it. It was a long shot, but hey. Yeah, their numbers really went down. They're not completely vanquished yet, as they're still harassing any attempt we have at becoming a public group. For example you can see the grand alt abuser Yaznov trying to get one of our pages deleted here, but they're on their way out pretty quickly. Yaznov is in charge now that Hodder and Williams took the perma dirt nap. But we know how unstable and paranoid he is. I give him a month before he either drives the rest of the members away, or before he starts bringing more of his alts in and gets himself banned. Awesome thing was, Aiden left the day of one of Spicy A's birthday.

We do swing by the suburb often, but it's mostly hit and run. There's still a couple of them around who'd get a kick out of icing us, so we try to deny them the satisfaction as much as we can.

I've been meaning to ask you something. There's a lot of anti 4H tagging around HH, we're not responsible. I'm curious as to if that's your doing?

Keep in touch, eh? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 16:37, 5 April 2007 (BST)

Could have been my brother or one of his friends. They've got some characters that appear to have stuck around in the area to cause mischief as zombies and PKers. He lives a few states away, so I'm not sure what he's been up to in Urban Dead since we don't talk too often. I went ahead and voted on that page deletion issue you mentioned. Also, wondering if you checked out Aiden's Farewell on his user page? Later! --DirskoSM 19:23, 5 April 2007 (BST)

Thanks for the keep vote. We appreciate it. I think at this point it's just a matter of how severely we beat the tools. Yeah, looks like he threw some bile at everyone, including their resident zerger. Heh. Good riddance, I say. If you can't stand losing on occasion, competition likely isn't the best thing to engage in. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 22:10, 5 April 2007 (BST)

Here, you might get a kick out of this. When the Big Bash was rolling towards Shearbank, I presented this bit of information to them on the zerg tactics of certain 4-H individuals.

Posted: 26th Oct 2006 17:05

Been having trouble with this guy in Huntley Heights. Would you call this alt abuse/zerging?

Broke into a warehouse in Huntley Heights and see this. This was around 9:40 am, my time zone. Note the presence of Mishenka. He escaped the building, still breathing, something like an hour or hour and a half later.

Then check out what happened next. This was roughly around 1:00 am, my time zone. Note Uri Petrof. Both are played by the same guy as evidenced on their message board. In fact, he's got 3 characters all in the same group!

Would you say this person is cheating?

Needless to say, the leaders of the Bash confirmed to me what I suspected was going on. And here is a little something from Mr. Hodder in regards to myself...too bad they closed the link to the public, but here it is anyway.

Aiden Hodder Posted: Oct 3 2006, 11:32 AM

Sane Malk, lol. That kid has no idea what a fucking joke he is, does he?

He leads a zed group with about as many members as your average boy band, and then cries to the Big Bash for help after we turn him and his buddies into swiss cheese on numerous occasions.

I bet a lot of the Bashers would lose interest if they knew just how poor Malk is when it comes to his UD exploits.

Then, of course, there was Mark William's vandalism of the EON wiki page and publicly insulting me through the Huntley Heights suburb page. All of which is documented in the suburb's discussion page. To which I say, this is the play style of the game they had in mind? Unfortunately, I think these guys took the game a tad bit too seriously. --DirskoSM 00:08, 6 April 2007 (BST)

Ha. I think you're right. I actually believe he has a fourth alt. You can check out the profile here. FoH stands for Friends of Huntley, a group they started for the express purpose of containing some of their alts. The name is Mike, and he's in the 4H subgroup, so I'm assuming it's him. But I have no hardcore proof yet.

Funny how Williams defaced your wiki page too. He did the same thing to us not too long ago. The guys can't handle competition, zed or criminal.

Tell me, what are your plans for Huntley? Keep it stable in their wake, or try to keep it a flaming hellhole? We've discussed both and we're not entirely certain as to our next objective. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 01:09, 6 April 2007 (BST)

Back when I was running Enemies of NecroTech as a very "by the rules" zombie group, it was astonishing what the 4H was resorting to. That list would include:

Zerging/alt abuse (from multiple members besides Yaznov)

Wiki page vandalism (Mark Williams, who even ripped into some random wiki updater named J Muller for some reason too)

Forum spying (we kept everything open, including strike times, to attract new members until someone in the 4H spied on our forums to block our attacks)

Insults/name calling members of EON both in the game and on the wiki (to the best of my knowledge, no member of EON or myself has ever sunk to hurling insults)

Questionable survivor tactics (they certainly ranted about my policy of PKing after being random revived, which I understand to be a standard zombie tactic and to appease them was why I finally took the Brain Rot skill. However, the 4H would very often fight back as zombies. After killing a member of the 4H, it wasn't unusual for them to stand up as a zombie and tear into an EON zombie. Not exactly "in the spirit of the game" when your freshly dead zombie is still fighting to support your survivor group! In fact, I'm still convinced one member of the 4H kept a dedicated zombie alt in Huntley Heights for the exact purpose of griefing other zombies.)

Overkill (seriously, EON at most had about 10 or so members against the 40-50+ members and alts of the 4H and we were causing them that much cause for concern? Yet whenever a REAL zombie threat entered Huntely Heights, the 4H were usually the first ones to abandon the place. And then they'd blame me for getting other zombies to "do my dirty work" or some such nonsense.)

You'd think EON was exactly what Aiden would have wanted for Huntley Heights - a dedicated zombie group looking to play fair and fight survivors like zeds are supposed to. But instead, the list above is everything the 4H threw at us. And that was way before I resorted to any questionable tactics myself. Guess you could say I just borrowed from the 4H playbook!

As for Huntley Heights now, I've set up shop in my own little building and call it home. I probably won't live through the night with 10 zeds beating on my front door. Anyway, I plan to stay in the area and just play things day to day.--DirskoSM 03:47, 6 April 2007 (BST)

Ha. The funny thing is before you guys disbanded they were crying about how much better the "Thunder Brothers" were than EN or EON. I guess they were a couple of PKers before EN's time. After you disbanded, they were crying as to how much better enemeies you were than us. How you were playing the game correctly (unlike us) and how it was refreshing to be killed by a zombie. I suspect that if we disbanded they'd be sobbing to the next threat to come into town about how all three of us were much better than the new guys on the block.

That seems to be their style.

About borrowing from their playbook, yeah. I hear you. It seems they've resorted to every tactic they've accused us of. Yaznov alt abuses with mighty fine proxies, they harass us out of game, grief us at revive points, call on lapdogs to do their dirty work (it was hilarious when Ragnarover called on The Watchmen, they're actually pretty good guys, they black listed them). It's a very funny situation.

Well, if you ever need anything or spot anyone you want dead, give us a heads up, eh? My personal contact data is on my user page. We'll even barricade for you if you need it. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 21:24, 6 April 2007 (BST)

Hey EN. Think I found you guys a new target: the reefer I suspect it's probably YET ANOTHER 4-H alt. My guess would be icenine AKA anemone. You can see the trend in the profiles. I already reported him to the Brainstock forum for PKing me. If you see him, give the cheating zerger a headshot for me! Thanks! --DirskoSM 18:37, 14 April 2007 (BST)

PK pub crawl

You are invited to join a mix of pkers on a bar tour of NE malton. Please check PKA forum http://z7.invisionfree.com/Pker_Alliance/index.php?act=idx or contact me for details. --bbrraaiinnss 12:53, 06 MAY (EST)

whats going on?

hey guys....its the 26th of april (as im sure your well aware) and just browsing your quasi role playing creative writing i noticed there hasn't been a whole lot of action in the last 4 days...whats going on????

on another unrelated note, i see a few dead bodies outside the anthony..... --J3D 10:23, 26 April 2007 (BST)

Howdy. While you surely must understand I cannot elaborate on the specifics of what is going on, I can assure you two facts. That it does not involve the BBK and there is a very good reason as to why we haven't been keeping a steady stream of kills. Don't worry, I suspect our kills will make a dramatic change in the very near future.

I've noticed a couple of high profile breaks ins, one of the NTs and one corner of the mall. The survivor ratio is still high and they seem to have been recaptured fast enough. How are you guys holding up? I was impressed at the rate you abandoned Waddon a week or two ago. Less than 6 hours after we figured it out every member was cleared out. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:46, 26 April 2007 (BST)

Figured out our base was wadden???...its on our wiki, its written on the building and surrounding buildings, congratulations you have acheived the intelligence of a 6yr old

on a lighter note, i really dont know how you could class this as a war, seems more like an inconvenience to me, you die and remain dead for 2 weeks only to emerge and kill a few of us, just so we can stand up again a few hours later, and by the time were up and about youre dead again. seriously either pull yourselves together and make a real war of this or just go about your business without thinking of us because frankly what's going on now isn't worth the effort. SHAZAM- gomerpyle41

You know, I don't really like your tone. The little age jokes are about the worst possible way to insult, you know? Especially when the one delivering refuses to use apostrophes. I'm all for trash talk, it's all fun. But shall we not play the insult game? --Spicy A 08:42, 25 May 2007 (BST)

1. I made that post literally a month ago, Gomer. And it was reference to an event several weeks prior to that. If you'd read a little closer it wasn't a shot at you, it was kudos for having the coordination to evacuate the area so quickly. It was a compliment. It's also spelled Waddon. You should know how to spell the name of your base of operations, I think.

2. I am many things. So are my team mates. I for example am arrogant, narcissistic, over competitive, over zealous and a bit too over dramatic. One thing that I am is intelligent. While I don't have a masters in English, I'm still capable of writing coherently enough to not make myself look like a hypocritical douchebag on occasion. I submit that you sir, have not only achieved your claim against me, but have surpassed it to an epic caliber. As my Spicy comrade pointed out, perhaps you should try to cobble together some form idea as to how the English language works prior to insulting someone's intelligence. Thanks. I'd appreciate it.

3. War is defined as a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism. I'd say that there is antagonism, conflict and hostility here. Wouldn't you agree?

4. Our total kill count against you at this moment (including the two I snagged about 5 minutes ago) is 51. This is not a few. This is a fair amount. As to my absence from the game, it can be explained in two parts. At the end of April we launched an assault on FANNY/MANNY. They fled their garrison, so we attacked Nichols Mall in general. We returned eventually and killed several more of you, but then I took a week break from Urban Dead. I had other concerns that involved me relaxing on the couch. My team mates still played the game. At no point were there two weeks without any kills. We're sorry, but we have higher priorities than griefing you. If a better target presents itself, you're on the back burner. We kill you because we need a secondary target. It amuses me how you're asking us to hit you harder.

5. We do what we do for our own benefit, not yours. We play the game the way that is the most enjoyable and challenging to us. This involves being the under dog and killing you while you sleep. La-de-da, in your opinion we're not making an impact on you. Do we care? No. We don't have some enormous and elaborate plan that hinges on your utter demise. We're having fun. That's all we care about. Although apparently we're a big enough concern to cause you to mash at your keyboard like an idiot. Who cares that you can get a revive quickly? So can I. So can anyone with ankle grab and lurching gait.

6. Psst. There's a reason why we're always dead. And it doesn't involve anyone killing us. Psst.

In short, stop being a stupid dick, buy a sense of humor and stop taking this too seriously. J3D seems to be a laid back guy. Maybe you should chill with him. Oh, and sign your posts properly. Click the button after your posts. It makes it easier for everyone.

Oh my. It seems I've written a short novel here. Go, go arrogance! --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:32, 25 May 2007 (BST)

Hey! What about me! I want some complements!! Look I'm laid back - ... ... ... - See?!

Hm, I guess that's all I wanted to say... I probably just wanted to be part of this convo. Anyway, cyas. --Nallan 01:28, 27 May 2007 (BST)

Uh.... let me see.... you smell minty fresh? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 02:42, 27 May 2007 (BST)

You see, Nallan here is cool, unlike some other fellows we've brought war upon. He doesn't bring wiki drama. If I weren't a PKer and I wasn't already in a group, why, I would so totally follow him.--Josh Reveka 02:44, 27 May 2007 (BST)

Josh <3 Nallan. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 02:53, 27 May 2007 (BST)

Not if I can help it! --Spicy A 08:34, 27 May 2007 (BST)

Thank You

All i ever wanted from that well, over agressive statement was to perhaps force some life in to the conflict. Surely you must understand the level of boredom associated with Urban Dead when your only enemy has too many things to worry about than to take up arms against you. I really don't take this game as a big deal at all, our leader Nallan really is the zombie tragic that cares too much about the game, he just also likes sucking up and applying gay innuendo to all of his comments.

So hopefully now i've angered enough of you to begin to care about our current state, because we have many plans and ideas that can not be put into place if we have no enemy to fight against.

Oh and I dont click the proper signature tool because that means I would have to write something in the wiki section for my character, something of which I am far too lazy to do.

Also, seriously pointing out gramatical errors in a post that was obviously written with no structure at all, I mean seriously, if i really was some kind of arrogant, inconsiderate, brain dead (well aware of the zombie pun) idiot wouldn't I add such inexplicable language misuses as LOLZ, OMFG or maybe the classic ROFL.

This was a deliberate shot at you, but it was also a call to arms so how about a physical response rather than verbal, we noth know that's a lot more fun. SHAZAM GomerPyle41- The BBK

Sweet, they love me. And gay innuendo? I dunno wat he's talking about... honey... Sucking up definately.

And "cares too much"? I'm not the one writing extensive pre-composed articles as responses on a wiki page (not that there's anything wrong with that, Adrian). In conclusion, GomerPyle41 (Tim) likes Hanson.--Nallan 11:52, 27 May 2007 (BST)

First of all, it wasn't pre-composed, 2nd of all if i catch you flirting with another guy again, I'll... I'll...well i dont know what I'm gonna do but it will most likely finish with yo having sore buttocks. Don't rip off Hanson, you know you love them as well. You like Wolfmother, yeah that's right I said it ...... SHAZAM GomerPyle41

Haha you just want me to join your Wolfmother Fan club by dropping hints of me liking them (which is a dirty, dirty lie - unlike you liking Hanson, which is totally true).

Friggin Wolfmother suck. Who's with me? I hear you over there Spicy A, hating them...

Wolfmother... fuckin hell...--Nallan 12:11, 27 May 2007 (BST)

I like the backstreet boys...they have such charisma, there great role models SHAZAM Gomerpyle

Gomer, you don't need a user page in order to sign your posts. Your user link will just appear red. I don't really care about any content you have on your user page, I just want to know when you did what you did at a glance. It's more or less common wiki etiquette to sign posts on talk pages.

I think you guys misunderstood my novel-esq post. You didn't make me angry. I type quickly and I like being a logic bully. I wasn't fueled by anger. I was fueled by the desire to express my points better than you. It comes with the arrogance. Kind of like a burger and fries.

Oh, and A-Dawg. You can't help it. He's come over to the darkseid. Look at that bastard. If you were Josh, Nallan, Gomer or I, you'd be gay too. That motherfucker kicked Superman's ass. Can you say the same? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:11, 27 May 2007 (BST)

Noooooo... I must get him back, damn it! He can't be gay!

...

Unless...

E-Man, is it possible to make me a guy? --Spicy A 22:57, 27 May 2007 (BST)

Oh man, his Omega Beams get me soooooo hot and bothered, I just can't help myself! Stand aside little lady, I need some hot man on evil other dimensional warlord action!--Josh Reveka 06:28, 28 May 2007 (BST)

You don't want to tread there, my ramen eating friend. You're opening yourself to a whole other world of 20 something year old men come ons. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 16:10, 28 May 2007 (BST)

Nooooooooooooooo... What about Omega Beams, E-Man? How can I get those? --Spicy A 23:03, 28 May 2007 (BST)

(Blah, I hate it when I forget to put the squiggly lines in...)

Well, Darkseid has a couple of sons. There was a time when he traded first born with his mortal enemy as some sort of retarded peace gesture, I think. His estranged son had a limited form of Omega Beams. I think, anyway. I wish I was a comic geek so I could tell you more. I'm more or less going on wikipedia and the cartoon shows, honestly.

Exposure to gamma radiation might give it to you. But I think it's far more likely you'll just die a horribly slow and painful death. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:16, 29 May 2007 (BST)

thankyou, i suck. ROFLZ.

SHAZAM Gomerpyle41 - Not affiliated with the BBK. well...we wish he wasn't.

p.s it just occurred to me that if i don't use the signature tool then people can pretend to be me and make me out to be a ridiculous moron, although that is an improvement on what i am.

p.p.s nah...we love good ol' timmy boy.

p.p.p.s nah, we don't.

i c wat u did thar eman

helo thar nikamica. im in ur talk page. makin fun of ur d00dz. lawl. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:20, 3 June 2007 (BST)

lawl da history optn is soooooo kewl

lawl. i cant believe u just found it.............................................................--Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:04, 4 June 2007 (BST)

Uh... ok then... Anyway just wondering - is "Spicy A" Spicy Orchid? Like is it a nickname? I'm confused. Thanks--Nallan 11:19, 7 June 2007 (BST)

Spicy A is to taco filling as Emperor Ade is to delicious ramen noodles. Would us telling you the correct answer make your job any easier? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:36, 7 June 2007 (BST)

I am one, but I am many! And from all the lands on Earth, I come! I share a dream, and sing with one voice! I am, you ar-- ::Giggles.:: I could tell you the story about me and the spicy thing if you like. --Spicy A 21:49, 7 June 2007 (BST)

God damn, she's lost it. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 02:03, 8 June 2007 (BST)

No, I have not! Ask Nally. He'll get the reference, won't you, Nally? You damn well better. GET THE REFERENCE, DAMN YOUUUUUU!

I totally forgot to reply. Yes I get the reference. How do you know it? Anyway - I'm intrigued by this story of the spicy thing. Please, go on.

A message

Haha, don't worry about killing the Joker! That was fair game. We won't be accepting any contracts from the 4-H in future, having witnessed a member Uri Petrof kill another player with no explaination in Heytown, a player who is neither in a group or in the rogues gallery. As they claim not to be a PKer group, we're not going to work with them. Sorry to place these posts up here, but it's a rather long conversation below and I wanted you to see them. Obviously you can move them down or delete them as you wish.

--Malton Rabbi 12:12, 26 March 2007 (BST)

Andrian Jeshua, we're going to put your contract into our "history books" I suppose you could call them. We're just not a high enough level to attempt any PKing at the moment, we shouldn't have accepted the contract in the first place and we need to level. I'm sure this makes no difference to you but so you know we're not after you anymore. I'm going to keep you in our hit list as a bounty for the future but remove you from our current activity. Just to let you know.

--Malton Rabbi 12:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

This is The Thief, I am contacting you over the contracted hit by 4-H. As I'm sure you understand, this is nothing personal, we're going to hit you then we're done and off to another job. We arn't interested in your faction's warring or whether or not your a "PKer" I just wanted to make it clear this is nothing personal, we didn't take the job because we have any problem with you and we won't be hitting you again, unless someone contracts it.

~ The Watchmen

Of course we don't think it's anything personal. You're absolutely welcome to interact with us here on our talk page, and ingame either in peace, war or indifference. It's all in good fun! We have absolutely no problem with competition or a little in game challenge. In fact, we seek it out every chance we can get. But certainly you must understand we're not going to let you get away with PKing any of us. It isn't personal at all, but if you do target us we will return the favor until we're satisfied. Unfortunately we're very... competitive. So you may find our view of justice a bit skewed.

In regards to your comments about the 4H, "this isn't war. This is pest control." Heh. See you two ingame! --Adrian Jeshua 17:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh of course. If you didn't run, hide and fight back where would be the fun in the killing! I expect we'll be meeting soon. Prehaps you'd like to hire us to hit the 4-H afterwards, that would an amusing poetic justice, prehaps when we're a higher level you can hire us to hunt the whole faction, member by member, that would be something to place on our profile. I ask that you delete this post after you read it, I will be deleting it in 24 hours time if it is not gone by then.

~The Watchmen

Thats uncanny thief its like you can read my mind. - the'joker

~The Watchmen

1. Learn basic wiki formatting. Click the button after each post. This will sign and date every edit you make. Don't bother to post here if you can't bother.

2. No. Run from what? The one without advanced firearm training, or the one without a flak jacket? Please. We're going to kill you if we see you, and only if there are no other targets around. If the 4H is just pest control, what do you think you are? A joke.

3. No. We're not going to "hire" noobs to do our dirty work. I'd like to think we're better than that. If you want to target the 4H, that's your own business. We're not going to follow their suit and seek help from two level five trenchcoaters.

4. No. I'm not going to delete your posts to our talk page. It isn't cool and mysterious that you remove your posts. It's moronic. Guess what? I can see every edit you've ever made to the wiki, and every edit ever made to this and every other page. Everyone can. It isn't difficult. So you're not practicing any type of information security simply by making a second edit after the fact. If you remove your post here, I will put it back up. Think about that before you post here again.

5. I'm not "most wanted." I'm KOS. There is a difference. Fix your page.

Get lost. --Adrian Jeshua 00:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically, 1. I know "basic wiki formatting" I'm aware of basic wiki formatting, I've worked on articles on wikipedia, I'm not a fan of date stamping. 2. It was just a comment, metaphorical you could say, I wasn't at all suggesting you should be worried about us, definetly not at all, it was mearly conversation. 3. "noobs"? New characters, experienced players there's a difference. Personally I didn't want to do any pking until I have atleast all the survivors skills, but why not? 4. I'd just prefer it that way, of course you could just bring it back, but most people arn't going to bother or care enough. I've got deeply inset manners you see, it seems very very bad etiquette to just leave that up when we're working with 4-H and I doubt they're going to bother sorting through your history files. I am not sure why, but again it just seemed like bad manners and the best way to deal with it, prehaps I shouldn't have said it, who knows, anyway obsessive manners are just a trait of (most of) the English (Me and The'Joker being from England) 5. You have to remember me and The'Joker are different people, I wouldn't have put that on our profile, and I'm planning on removing it, I am very sorry and apologise for that being on our profile.

And as a final point, this is just a game, for fun, the whole watchmen concept was just a way to add a new mercenary style dimension to make it more fun for us. Your first two communications were very friendly and you seemed like a genuinely nice person, frankly I couldn't see why the 4-H are accusing you of being a wiki vandalising, multi accounted, forum spamming generally unpleasent player. Now my last message was supposed to be an equally freindly message, either you misinterpreted the tone of my last message (an easy thing to do with internet communiation), or you are as unpleasent as they claim, I would much rather believe the first one.

~ The Watchmen and as you insist, a stamp for you: --Malton Rabbi 23:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my last post did come off as a bit harsh. You were starting to annoy me. You must understand that there was very little malice, but I am very frank. I try to show what I'm feeling and thinking and sometimes people take it the wrong way. I didn't mean for you to take it personally, but clearly and understandably it can be viewed as such. I will admit I am a jerk. But it's wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just clearly stating what I thought.

No, I am not guilty of most of what the 4H accuses me of, and neither are my team mates. It's funny that they keep pushing that considering Mark Williams obviously vandalized not only our page, but EON's, and Yaznov operates at least 3 alts in the 4H. But regardless, I'm not looking for another 4H bash fest.

I doubt we'll be seeing each other very much in game, but have at it if that's what gives you kicks. Even if you manage to kill me, the fact that RagnaRover sought outside help quite publicly and pathetically was way worth it. See you guys in game. --Adrian Jeshua 00:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

If we ever do manage to actually find you in game, and then manage to kill you, you'll probably be revived within a day, and the amount of times your faction would have PKed us by then makes it hardly worth it, but again the mercenary element is just an idea of ours to try a slightly new way of playing. I totally agree with you about 4-H, I wasn't expecting anyone would want to hire us until we were atleast around level 20 and we'd done some serious advertising, in fact I'm so impressed about how desperate you've obviously made 4-H that I voted for you on the murder award nominations. Anyway, unless of course you have something you wish to say, don't feel you have to reply to this post, I won't at all be expecting one, otherwise our conversation could go on forever. Whether we manage to PK you or you (and your faction) PK us, let it all be in good fun :) See you sometime (hopefully)

The Watchmen --Malton Rabbi 17:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Once More From the Top

It seems people are scrambling for my support (or just plain trying to sabotage each other), and I'd just like to make something clear: In spite of me being a killer, and running a group dedicated to killing, when it comes to situations like The 4-H and Escendo Numerus are in (that is, direct cut-throat malice and the like), I don't like to take sides or show support for either side, because that just tends to drag you down. Adrian Jeshua and Mark Williams, you two need to start taking each other less seriously, and re-think what is probably a pointless and stupid vendetta. I'm going to walk away from getting dragged into any conflict between your groups, so let's just leave it at this: If any 4-H members get killed by my girls, it will not have happened due to any instruction of mine, and is probably just a random PK. Adrian, you're still welcome to deal with my group, but just keep in mind that I have no patience for the kind of crap that is being flung back and forth between your groups. And before I go Mark, I'd just like to point out one thing: we're not a "Feminist group," not in the least. We are a group composed of female members. There's a big difference. Torec _T-CC 16:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your candor and prompt reply on the subject at hand, Torec. I'm sorry this garbage had to be thrown on your doorstep. --Adrian Jeshua 18:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Cybele's Children here!

Well hello! I'm sorry for the delay in actually responding to you, but I suppose sooner is better than never! At the moment we're a little occupied with having fun elsewhere, but I'll certainly keep your group in mind when we venture over to Huntley Heights next. I'm not quite the biggest fan of group vendettas, but rest assured we'll have our fun there ^_^ If you have anything to discuss or if you just want to hang out, our forum is always available. Once again, thanks for dropping us a line! Torec _T-CC 15:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Not worth bothering with

So, you killed me again, Jeshua. So what. Do you think it bothers me? If so, I hope you got your rocks off, because all it does is show me what you really are.

You, Jeshua, are a bully, and not even a good one. You're the same kind of person I dealt with all my scool years, the insecure, cowardly little nimrods who would make fun of other kids so that they can feel more important. And you know what, Jeshua? That makes you not even worth bothering with.

The worst thing is, little boy, that you're probably a lot like I was back then. You probably get teased or even beaten up in school by these sorts. And then you turn around, and when you get to a safe place, somewhere where there's no chance of retaliation, you do the same thing, masked by the anonymity of the Internet.

You just don't get it. You're the same kind of person that I banned fifty times a day on World of Warcraft for harrassment. The kind of person who thinks that the rules just don't apply to them, and when they find out that they do, they throw a temper tantrum.

I pity you, Adrian. I really do. Because one of these days, you're going to find yourself out in the real world. And you're not ready for it. You are a child, no matter how old you really are. A child who's going to get chewed up and spit out when you have to grow up.

Mark Williams (Jan 11, 2007)

I love how you keep telling us how we're totally not worth your time, yet your actions seem to indicate the exact opposite. You've made my evening, Mark. I was having a rough day, but you just made it a little better. Thank you. See you in game. --Adrian Jeshua 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Neat. I just calculated our recorded kills and it seems you share the title of most killed with icenine. You've been executed at least 8 times by us, wow. No wonder you're moaning and complaining. To be honest, I'd much rather have someone else at the top of the list. But hey, I guess that's how the dice fall sometimes. --Adrian Jeshua 15:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

hah.

Jeshua, in case you haven't noticed, we really don't care that much about your little obsession with griefing.

We're playing the game to kill zombies, and that's what we do. If you or one of your alts gets in the way, we'll smack it too, but we're more worried about helping other survivors and playing the game the way it's meant to be played; human vs zombie. If you have some sort of hard-on for trying to make the game less fun for other people, I couldn't really care less. You come on our boards, and this wiki, repeatedly trying to instigate with our members and deface our pages, for what reason? Does daddy not pay enough attention to you?

Go ahead and keep zerging and flaming; we've got more important things to worry about: they're called "zombies." By the way, aren't you running out of proxies yet? You've been banned from both our site, and this wiki on numerous occasions. --Aiden H ^4H 01:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Look, I'm going to level with you (again). I'm not going to throw insults. If you want to act like an adult, do so. If you want to act like you're claiming I act, do it on your own page.

1. I play this game to kill you. This is what I do. I've killed zombies. I've barricaded buildings. I've fought off sieges and I've been a zombie. Those things now bore me.

2. I do not operate alts. I do not cheat. I have only ONE character. I also believe that Kevan has blocked the usage of a large amount of proxies because he is not a moron. I am only the most outspoken dickhead in my group. I've told you this twice, but if you don't :believe me.. Well, it sucks to be you.

3. Are you Kevan? I could have sworn you weren't. This, like any game, is meant to be played fairly and by a set of rules and is supposed to be fun. I follow these rules, and I have fun. If you want to feel all bent out of shape for losing, well, then you're just not a very good sport I guess. Tell me, Aiden, are you this pissed when someone other than your favorite sports team wins the big game?

4. I have yet to be banned from Urban Dead, and yes, it does seem I gain experience each time I successfully attack a human. Sure, I gain less experience than what I get from attacking a zombie, but guess what? Barricading doesn't give XP either. Does this mean we're not supposed to? No. It doesn't.

5. Please, tell me how fun this game would be without zombies and people like me. We add the edge that makes it fun for survivors.

6. I've posted to your boards. Yeah, sure. It's trash talk. It's part of the fun. It gets you excited so you look harder for me.(This has proven true each time you've killed me, eh?) You looking for me makes my kills that more satisfying because I have to imploy strategy to my game, not just finding the biggest safehouse.

7. I have never defaced the wiki. Don't believe me? Oh well, I don't care.

8. Strange, if you have more important things to worry about, why all the chatter on your forums about me? Why the attempts to PK me? Why bother adding me to PK lists? Why bother to come to my group's wiki page and bitch and moan? You don't have better things to do. And you know what? I don't care. People get extra time on their hands to do stupid shit like bicker on the internet and play stupid little browser games. It's funny how everyone who has the time to trash talk for five minutes on a forum is branded a loser and has their parents insulted. (Classy, by the way. Shows how much better you are than me. Learn that in middleschool, or was it highschool?)

So yeah. Boo hoo for you. Chill out and play the game like everyone else. Have a beer or something. It's not personal. It's a freaking browser game.

--Adrian Jeshua 02:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't fool anyone, kid. The Ips connected to the accounts that have defaced our wiki pages match the ones you post unde rmultiple indentities on our boards. You PM our members calling them names and you've made very distasteful remarks and personal threats towards one of our female senior members, simply because she indirectly called you a jerk for barricading new players out of a police department. Lighten up yourself, Ed.

And I never stated you were banned from UD itself, just this wiki. Exhibit A and Exhibit B.

As for "losing?" That would imply we're competing. Which we aren't. If I stumble on you, I shoot you. Otherwise, I focus on zombies. Because zombies are what we're against. True, you're a decent distraction from the main game, but I'm not going to waste AP hunting you down in your hidey-hole when I could be making sure that a handful of level twos in a QS building make it through another night without being eaten. That's what I made the 4H for, and it's what I'm going to keep doing.

Also, think about ratios. There are over 60 4H members. There is one of you, two if you count your alt Reveka(who, if not an alt, must play from the same computer.) Sheer odds alone state that logically, we would be easier to locate, and thus easier to snipe, because we're over 30 times your number and unlike you, we don't hide in some barren corner of Yagoton, or whatever distaant hole in the wall you can scramble into to avoid being spotted. As for our "lapdogs" -- the bounty hunters hit our PK list, and choose their targets themselves. They do it for karma, not because we ask them to. Nice job on getting Betty on your tail though, she's about as relentless as you are once you make her angry.

PKers are typically cowards, and/or people that have nothing better to do than make someone's game less fun. You're no exception.

We're the opposite of that. We help new human players the best we can and try to keep the suburbs safe for survivors. If you're determined to keep trying to impede that, it just proves my point further. --Aiden H ^4H 07:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Kid? Nice little superior attitude there, bucko. You might get some intelligent thought back at you if you didn't mimic my trash talking behavior. Again, you state I've PMed your members calling them names. It's trash talk. Get it through your head. What, are names going to hurt you? No? How long does it take to delete my messages without reading them? One third of a second? Move on.

My threats against Alexi or whatever the hell her name is were ingame. Hence references to her being shot with a shotgun, becoming a zed, laying on the street, etc. If you guys consider that "personal", you really take this game too seriously. Don't worry, if her character dies she'll be okay I think, you guys operate a revive point.

Strange, how exactly can I share can IP across multiple "accounts" if my IP changes everytime I login? (I have a wifi card on my laptop and I live in a heavily urbanized area, in addition to the fact that I do use a great many proxies to access your message boards.) To my knowledge, Josh has also never posted to the wiki. He has posted to your forums in the past once or twice, but how you're confusing our two IP addresses is far beyond me. His likewise changes, but being in a very different geographic location his tends to be quite unique compared to mine. Like I said, those two accounts you provided as "proof" are what, exactly? Two banned people? Whee and hurray? They could belong to friends of mine besides Josh, but they are certainly not mine. Don't believe me? Like I said, I'm not concerned. Using your logic, every banned accont on this wiki could be mine.

As for competing, well, it doesn't really matter if you're not actively trying to catch me. It still happens, it's still fun for me regardless of your whining. As for your increased numbers, well, that just gives you that much more of a chance of one of your members stumbling upon me, now doesn't it? It's pretty balanced. I'm glad Betty is on my tail, I actually enjoy finding and killing her more than I do you, although not by much.

Please tell me, Aiden. How are PKers cowards? From the look of it, PKers are hunted down by a number of bounty hunters, the people they PK, put on do not revive and heal lists and typically cannot stay in one place for very long for fear of being tracked. What, do you expect us to just stay in a building where we PK someone? Do you stay outside of a building when you headshot a zed? PKing you makes the game fun for me. It's exactly the same as a zed ripping down your barricadings and munching on you. If you didn't have PKers and Zeds to worry about, you wouldn't have a game. You wouldn't have a group, and you wouldn't have a wiki to bitch and moan on. Don't agree? Obviously you don't. Try playing a game where there is no thrill of dying. I have an idea, let's ban all the player killers ingame! Well, that would include all the zeds, naturally, and all the survivors who target zeds, and all the survivors who target survivors. Yep, there'd be about ten people in the game.

We're not trying to impede newer players. In fact I've NEVER targetted ANYONE outside of the 4-H, except for people who come to collect bounties, and even then I don't look very hard. Furthermore, I have, on a great many occasions spared your lower members. I also have slapped my own FAKs on people in my territory, barricaded their buildings and headshot zeds in their safehouses. What the hell do you think I do the days between my kills? It's not like it's difficult to find one of your members. Go into Huntley and bam, there you are. So cut it with the holier than thou attitude, Aiden. Want to look like a hero? Do it on your own page. I'm not going to take your bullshit. --Adrian Jeshua 11:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

So, threatening to rape someone with a shotgun is "good, ingame fun" eh? I doubt anyone would agree with that. And hiding three suburbs away is bravery? Again, doubtful. Fragging generators is helpful to the collective of Huntley Heights that doesn't include the 4H? Again, doubtful. The GK you've recorded wasn't even set up by a 4H member, just a citizen trying to get the phones back online. As for the wiki vandal lemonade, you have used that name many times on our boards along with variations of it.

So again, another longwinded reply that proves nothing and doesn't actually deny anything. Frankly, this little exhange has proved just about everything I've brought up, so I'm finished with this "debate."

If you want to play nice and clean up your language, you'd be welcome to make an account that I'd let you keep on the boards.. Heck, we regularly have exchanges with Sane Malk and members of the Church of the Resurrection. We do enjoy challengers and competition.. But the way you act when on our boards in unacceptable.

Happy Hunting! --Aiden H ^4H 19:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Who's to say lemonade and these variations you mention were me on the wiki? Technically, I could probably register the Yahoo email address aidenh@yahoo.com, or aidenhodder@gmail.com and start sending out massive amounts of spam. Does this mean it is you? No? Maybe the whole "lemonade","limeade","orangeade" thing is a joke between my friends and I and one of them did it without telling me? Maybe someone actually has that ingame name? Seriously dude, if you don't believe me stop bringing it up. You're certainly not going to convince me. Or are you trying to convince the 2 people who have seen this talk page?

Did I say threatening to rape someone with a shotgun was wholesome and clean? No. I said it wasn't personal. Meaning it wasn't an actual threat of harm against her physical self. Furthermore, I leave Huntley on occasion, yes. Three suburbs away is a rarity, but if I do I'm probably reviving a friend or defending their territory from zed incursion. How could I possibly use AP to find a suitable 4-H mark, kill them, and move three suburbs away, and then repeat the same process the next day? If I played like that I would have gotten bored with fragging you weeks ago. And it's not like you've never evacuated your group from Huntley before, right? Yeah, leaving for the safety of your character is real cowardly. Let's not forget that I magically am removed from these PKer lists the second I leave Huntley, right? Yeah, real cowardly thing to give myself a reputation as a PKer and get myself hunted throughout the entirety of the game.

As for not actually denying anything, sure. I certainly haven't denied being a vandal on the wiki. I certainly haven't denied controlling alts. I certainly haven't denied being a coward. I certainly haven't denied I target innocent non-4-Hers, and I absolutely didn't deny that I target your lower level members. Yep.

A long winded reply that proves nothing? Wouldn't you defend yourself if I posted a detailed rant on your wiki page about how much you suck? Wouldn't you want to address each point that was brought to you? Furthermore, did you expect me to dramatically alter your view of me? You came into this biased (which is understandable). Or did you expect me to somehow agree with all your points? Of course I'm going to freaking respond with another opinion. You didn't want an intelligent conversation, you didn't want to hear my side of the story. You just wanted to look like the big, superior group leader, putting down the filthy and immoral PKer. You wanted to bitch and moan, look cool, pet your own ego a little bit, look like the better man and leave with the last word. You didn't give two shits about any counter points I could have constructed.

I didn't start this shitty moanfest. You two did. If you don't want to post here, fine. Don't. I don't care. No one has duct taped your fingers to the keyboard. I don't have anything to prove. I know myself, and those who play with me know me. If anyone else has a bad image, well, sucks to be them. I'm not concerned.

Oh, by the way. Remember when you said this? "...but I'm not going to waste AP hunting you down in your hidey-hole when I could be making sure that a handful of level twos in a QS building make it through another night without being eaten. That's what I made the 4H for, and it's what I'm going to keep doing." It's pretty rad that you guys started a contest to see who can PK Josh and I the most immediately after posting that. Yep, thanks for proving my above stated point and looking like a hypocrite.--Adrian Jeshua 21:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I love it that you'd bring up the old "PKers are cowards" line, and I love it even more because you, yourself brought it up.

So, let's assume that we're cowards. Now, what is a coward? Typically, a coward is a person who uses underhanded or sneaky means to get their way, they kick somebody when they're down, they exploit weaknesses for their own gains. They skulk in the shadows and strike when least expected. They're immoral people.

Okay then, let's start with sneaky and underhanded means. In this game, that would include using alts to tip the game in your favor. Now, Adrian nor I actually have alts, we've never used alts. When I get killed, I generally have to travel a few suburbs distance to get a needle stuck in me. When you get killed, you can have another 4-H member, perhaps an alt of one to revive you. When I want to attack a group or even to just barricade a place, I have but one character to do it, while many 4-H members can simply use multiple alts to get the job done.

We don't abuse alts, Hell, we don't even use them. You guys do, and you openly talk about using alts to get the job done. Clearly, we're the cowards!

Now, as for kicking somebody when they're down. This can also mean attacking when somebody is busy, or offline. See, we don't know when somebody is busy or offline in this game, unless we know the person. This can go for PKers, as well as Humans who kill zombies. So, really, we're all cowards, at one time or another.

Now, for exploiting... you guys have alts to use, we don't. You guys have private forums to plan strategy that we can't get into, we're incapable of exploiting, well, anything, really.

Now, for skulking in the shadows. For we, the PKers, we have to. We have people looking for us all the time, we have to be on the run constantly, changing up our paths so we don't become too predictable. We're incapable of using this to our own ends, because we're too busy trying to save our skin. You guys, on the other hand, can leisurely walk through, find us, then tell everybody where we are if we settle down for a short while.

For striking when least expected, that's part of the game. At any moment, a zed could be shot in the head, or one could be munching on you. Being called a coward because we appear from nowhere and attack you is akin to calling a zombie a coward for breaking down a barricade and biting you, or you to run into a building and headshot a zed.

And, finally, being immoral. You see, morality is deeply based on your personal beliefs. What you consider immoral, somebody else can consider fine. In the middle ages, men could regularly marry, deflower and impregnate a 14 year old girl, and nobody would bat an eye. Today, many people find that idea repulsive. One man considers a temple sacred, while another thinks it just another building, and does something to "desecrate" it, thus making them immoral to the eyes of man who considers it sacred.

Let's talk about our lives for a second. We, as PKers have to be on the run, because everybody is looking for us, people want us dead, and so, we can never relax. We only stop running long enough to recover AP or to PK somebody. We have to look out for sitting in an easily used Free Run path. You guys, on the other hand, get to sit around in your nice, safe buildings, fearing only zeds, and even then, they can only get in through breaking down a barricade.

We can't report being PKed, because we're PKers. We have nobody looking out for us, to take care of them so we can do other things we think are important. You guys can go to a PK list, tell them we're bad, evil men and wham, every PKer who gets off on being considered a good guy by calling themselves a Bounty Hunter comes looking for us, so you don't have to play.

So, when it comes down to it, our lives are as such;

We are on the run from everybody, we have nobody watching our backs, we're living, breathing targets that nobody sheds a tear for when we're killed. And yet, we're incapable of complaining, because nobody wants to hear it. We have to do things ourselves, and we find some pleasure out of it.

And, despite the desire to do so, we don't use alts, we try to get the most out of just a single character.

You guys aren't on the run from anybody, you can just cluster together for safety and barricade buildings to keep the zeds out of your hair. If somebody kills you, you can cry to a PK list, have everybody go after them, and you can just relax in your nice, safe buildings with a crowd of others, with the only route of your constant threat safely barricaded up.

And, when one character isn't enough to do something, you just switch out to an alt and get the job done, or you go to two or more different places and do two different things, simply because you can.

So, clearly, we're the cowards, where you guys are the heroes. Yeah, that makes all kinds of sense.--Josh Reveka 23:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Some truth talk

Just because I wouldn't want anyone to be mislead by your slander into actually following your personal one man/one alt campaign, let's let everyone know the beginnings of the brat who became a PKer.....shall we?

I remember when this started. Alex complained to us about some tard who kept overbarricading a PD. Her grievences were well understood, as any noob idiot knows better than a lump of coal (this being you Adrian) not to overbarricade a PD no matter who lays claim to it. So this idiot, which to call him this is an insult to idiots everywhere, whines on our forums about how we at the 4-H are "dictators" (or was it fascists?). Just to be fair, I did tell this noobcicle that if he did it again, I'd shoot him a couple times. I don't apologize for this in any way, as I was dealing with, of course, a complete fool who's too dumb and repressed to possess simple faculties of plain common sense.

I hope this little background story will reveal to anyone thinking about joining this lame group, that your following the conceptions and beliefs of a guy who just needs to relax, get some magazines, and rub one out. He is obviously feeling very constricted.

In addition, I WILL NOT tolerate your graphic use of sexually offensive language that you try to post to us in secret on our forums.....remember? Aiden is more even tempered than I am, but I find the things you've written to me and posted about female players unacceptable and a display of the worst kind of character. Do not even try to fool everyone into thinking you're actions have any kind of just cause after the things I've read.

Umnaya golova, da duraku dostalas. Translation: A clever head but given to a fool. Yaznov ^4H 06:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Again, not going to try to give you fodder. I'll just ask you nicely to please provide me with proof that I over barricaded the PD. I know for a fact that while I did complain that only your group had the final say on barricading policy in Huntley, I never put an extra barricade on that police department. I disagreed with you. That was all.

Don't believe me? Oh well.

--Adrian Jeshua 02:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

In response to this -- The building you claimed to have a grievance with Alex over was never specified, but it was hinted at being Stretchbury Cinema. However, seeing as how this building was EHB suggested on the Human Habitat For Huntley charts anyway, it was clearly not the actual building in question. Your thread on our boards came after Alex lectured the residents of Kirby PD about barricading out new players. With the exception of a couple of our (mostly former) members overreacting to the realization you were putting the PD to Heavy+, it was mostly a civil conversation, and we'd even offered to alter the barricade plan a bit if you wanted to make suggestions on it. But instead, you randomly accused us of being a bunch of uptight PKers; neither of which is true, unless you count bounty collection via The Long Patrol. You vanished for several months and then came back more tightly wound than you ever suggested we were, with a vocabulary that'd make a sailor ashamed to be seen with you. How can we rely on your word, when it's generally a foul one?

We're more than willing to work with Huntley citizens, but most of them don't take enough of an interest in the game to drop by and talk to us. We started a Town Hall right after the Big Bash incident, and a whole one person's joined to use it. So we play the game the way we choose, we organized things, put together a plan that's kept Huntley residents pretty darn safe with the exception of the Big Bash tidal wave recently.. And 95% or more of the Survivors in Huntley don't have a problem with it, because they know where to find safe havens when needed, and a revive's always fairly quick at hand, because we make it possible.

Go ahead and keep griefing us, it'll just make us more determined to accomplish the things we're out for. If you actually want to see changes made, a negotiation is generally more likely to succeed when presented with a handshake rather than a shotgun. --Aiden H ^4H 07:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

What will you do...

If you run now, you admit guilt, If you stay it's over for you. I'm betting you book when your own actions come to bite you.
Без кота́ мыша́м раздо́лье. - Bez kota mysham razdol'ye.
Translation: Without a cat mice have no restrictions. Yaznov ^4H

Yaznov, what do you want from me? To tell you in detail my plans as to how I'm going to get around the cash reward you've decided to put on the heads of Josh and I? Now, if I told you what I had planned it would pretty much make that plan moot, now wouldn't it? It's a stupid question. Have I ever posted to your wiki asking you where your current base of operations was? No. I haven't, because it's stupid to.

How would Josh and I running be admitting guilt? Even if we were totally, one hundred percent innocent and not once fired a single shot at anyone we'd still have bounty hunters on our tails after the thread you created. Having that many people on one's tail would make anyone cautious.

And you make it seem like staying would be the heroic thing to do, that it would somehow show everyone we're innocent. But that's not the case if "it's over for [us]" now is it?

Whether we run or not is inconsequential. We're still going to be branded as guilty regardless of what we do, or if we are innocent or not. So cut the crap. You're just trying to look like a big man and goad me into revealing our plan of action and make yourself look tough.

I assure you, we have a plan. And it does involve PKing you. It's not a threat. It is a fact. You've just made it a more challenging process with greater satisfaction at the end.

And cut it with the Russian qoutes, will you? It's cool you like Russian culture, I'm interested in Latin myself. But it's just stupid to Google search mangled bits of foreign literature to somehow prove your point or look like you're an intelligent person.--Adrian Jeshua 17:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Russian Quotes You Say?

Though yes, I may need a little help on the quotes, Я могу поговорить русского довольно наилучшим образом.(Which means) I speak russian quite well. As well as three other languages you little turd. Yaznov ^4H

Wow, that's fantastic, Yaznov. But it doesn't add to any of your arguments and I frankly don't care if you're a nobel laureate. If you're tired of this crap (just as I), go look to expand your ego on your own wiki page. Here I doubt you'll get many compliments from me, especially when you result to using the vocabulary of a five year old. --Adrian Jeshua 12:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep the facts straight

I have no problem with you guys playing the game however you enjoy, but I got added to your list of innocents that you've killed. I checked my logs and I was killed by a 4-H player who was a zombie at the time, not by EN. I hope this was a once off because I'd like to think your numbers are as impressive as they seem. :) Elliothatman 17:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Group Classifications

Hey guys. Just wanted to know what you thought of this. To me "hostile" isn't a fitting category so if you could give your opinion on the matter that'd be good.--Nallan 23:59, 22 July 2007 (BST)

Sign Me Up... And revive!

Newbie here. Not only have I never played a browser based MMO like Urban Dead but I have never used a Wiki before. So I hope you get this.

As far as I know (and I dont mean to offend) it seems the Dribbling Beavers are the self proclamed protectors of the suburb. Though they've seemed to forsake me to die four times over.

I'm unimpressed. I looked up the Beavers in the Wiki and then later looked up the other grupes in the area.

The EN seems right up my alley. I'm currently at the border of Heytown near the mall that is apperantly the Beaver's HQ. I've died a fifth time at Taylour Street trieng to make due as a zombie and I dont have the AP to get to the monument and ask for a revive.

If you revive me and fill me in on what I can do to help. I'd like nothing more than to ruin the Dribbling Beavers.

Provide your email address here and I will contact you. Pay attention to those instructions, as I am likely to receive mail from my enemies claiming to be you and vice versa. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 19:03, 29 June 2007 (BST)

Eh, actualy I may try to rais some hell myself. If I find myself on the DNR list I might join a grupe later. Just reading up about the game. Seems the players realy defign the game. Is it true you renaimed one of the suberbs?

Yes and no. It was just a spot of fun. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 14:36, 30 June 2007 (BST)

The Watchmen

We'll hunt down the fool who wronged you right after we finish competeing in the Red Rum battle royal 2 over in Penny Heights. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen} 18:39, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Actually we're going to head over and get him now. --The'Thief ^{The Watchmen|RHA} 09:28, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Im afraid this Ima Merecan has fled the suburb. We checked extensively on the ground and in all buildings and found no trace. I also stopped by Giddings (next closest mall) and couldnt find him. We will keep this contract open and should we see him we will fill him with lead.--The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 17:47, 19 September 2007 (BST)

This should interest you. The'Joker is a fantastic researcher (which basically means he has loads of time on his hands) and discovered this:

hey guys. as horrible as it is i'm glad theres a few new crews (beavers, gore corps) against the EN.

apologies if this has already been mentioned on the forum but as far as i'm aware there tactics are thus:

Michae Joshua http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815542 is their revive character, he claims to be BBK so he gets revives and doesn't get killed.

The rest of them wake up each day outside anthony building, get up, get revived by Michae, get ammo, kill BBK etc then jump out of anthony window so no one can claim to PK them.

Seems like quite a nice little set up. i'd say they have a new revive character since we discovered michae. anyway just letting you no its not really worth hunting around coz they seem to always be lying outside anthony.

You may want to place this somewhere more secure, I didn't know how else to contact you. Sorry I put it on the top, I thought it was important you read this asap. I don't know where he found it but I'll ask him when I see him tommorow.

~The Watchmen --The'Thief 23:47, 18 June 2007 (BST)

It's cool, don't sweat it. I've already seen that, a BBK gent posted that to the public Beaver forums. But thanks for the heads up. You can contact me securely by email at edwardgodbois@gmail.com. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 00:57, 19 June 2007 (BST)

Thankyou for the contact again Adrian Jeshua. Currently we're doing fine, we've moved to new Arkham to try and make the suburb somewhat livable, prehaps even consider using it as our our home suburb, the plan is on our page if you want to read it. We're going to use it to get experience and lie low until we've got all the survivor skills, then we're going to begin "touring" and advertising our services. It's good to here from you again and I must say your page looks fantatsic. We'll probably see you in the game some time in the future, we'd quite like to have a pop at Uri Petrov and (please don't take this as an insult) if you ever need our help in anyway, prehaps in maximising the damage of an attack or a revive or something (although I'm sure you've got that all sorted) we're happy to help.

Happy Hunting! --Malton Rabbi 17:18, 19 April 2007 (BST)

Hey, glad to hear it! I've never been to New Arkham personally, but I guess a couple of plans are in motion to improve the situation there. Power to you guys if you can secure it. Our page, thanks. I was getting very bored with all the clutter and I was working on a different wiki project, so I thought I'd have a go at it. The real credit goes to the Philosophe Knights and Sirens. I just tinkered with their existing designs. I'm not wiki ninja by any means, but if you ever need some help here, just throw a rock at my head. I'll be glad get in on any wiki projects. Learning experience and all that jazz.

Right now we're pretty self sufficent (Go EN revive slaves, go! ::Whips!::), but yeah. If we ever need a hand you'll be on the list of those to call. As we've mentioned before, the same offer extends from us. Maybe sometime we can meet halfway in Galbraith Hills and massacre some poor bastards. Keep it spicy. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 20:02, 19 April 2007 (BST)

That sounds good. We're upholding a policy of not killing until we have all the survivor skills (and probably lurching gait) at the moment, but it shouldn't last too long. Just because we arn't an official PKer group dosn't mean we have any morals, we'd love to join you in a bloodbath sometime. I personally have always thought it's the PKers that do all the great things on this game, for what serious player hasn't heard of the Valentine's Day Massacre, despite it being practically ancient history? And looking at your own gallery and kill count it's absolutely inspiring. See you round

~ The'Thief --Malton Rabbi 23:02, 19 April 2007 (BST) (I really wish my log in was The'Thief for my date stamps but my original character is Malton Rabbi. He hangs around in Heytown and Dowdney Mall if your ever there.)

You have two options. You can create a second wiki account and make it clear that you're the same person (the rules state so long as you behave and clearly admit both nicks are related, you're golden), or you edit your signature under preferences, at the upper right hand side of your screen. Sort of like how I have mini links to my talk and group pages.

I'm hunting around Dowdney, actually. We're raising hell with the BBK (who are awesome sports about it). I'll make sure not to off you. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 00:33, 20 April 2007 (BST)

Hey Adrian Jeshua. How about meeting up like we talked about and shedding some blood? It should be fun. We'd love to have a pop at the 4-H but any blood is good blood, prehaps we could slaughter some innocents! - Anyway get back to us when your not too busy. See you round ~ The Watchmen --The'Thief 12:51, 15 June 2007 (BST)

We're in the Huntley Heights/Santlerville area slaughtering the Dribbling Beavers. Feel absolutely free to join us. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:43, 15 June 2007 (BST)

We're in Santlerville, we've scouted about and havent found any Dribbling Beavers. Have you got idea of where they're hiding?

~ The Watchmen --The'Thief 12:20, 17 June 2007 (BST)

You should always find several in the mall or in their NT building, Hall. If you examine the suburb map you'll see the entire suburb is cut down the middle by open terrian. The mall acts as a sort of nexus by creating a shitload of bottlenecks around it. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 12:55, 17 June 2007 (BST)

Yep got it. I got 2 this morning in the Hall Building. This should be easy.

~The Watchmen --The'Thief 14:00, 18 June 2007 (BST)

Hello havent heard much from EN in a while and i was quite sad to see that Reveka had idled out. It would be a shame to see one of our favourite groups go.--The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF} 10:32, 31 August 2007 (BST)

We're still around, man. Why, I even posted on your talk page yesterday. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:22, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Hey guys....i'd be glad to mention i am that same BBK gent who posted the EN tactics on the beavers forum. Haven't seen you guys around much lately (thats to both the watchmen & EN). Whats happening? Waging war against the beavers once more i gather?

Just thought i'd inform you that finis is up to his old tricks once more...his group page claims him to be a member of the EN. I doubt you care but hey, just thought it'd be nice to stay in touch. --J3D 09:09, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Haha, Jed, I posted that exact thing about Finis' group affiliation two topics down. Ah well. Jed only 2 weeks till I come down! I've decided to revoke our agreement about the zombie movies, we're watching every one that gets recommended to us by the video ezy folk.--Nick 13:11, 17 September 2007 (BST)

Yo, brethern

We, The Santlerville Rangers, are strongly considering joining forces with you against the Dribling thingies. We are yet to encounter an amount of stupidity similar to the one we found in this 'burb. So whaddaya say?--Finis Valorum 07:31, 13 June 2007 (BST)

BBK

Ok guys, i have two main comments/questions/queries.

1. Michae Joshua is not BBK and you know it. keep the war above the waist guys!

2. Is there a thing about PKer groups and latin? you guys have you little pretendies suburb Numerous Regdumum (forgive me if its called something completely different but i can't be stuffed opening a new window) and this new lot the 'santlerville rangers' have :their member Finis Valorum.

3. Hows things going outside anthony? you guys still chill there?

anyway, i'm inter-burb atm so have been getting a bit homesick, hence posting on your talk page and beavers forum.

love --J3D 06:21, 14 June 2007 (BST)

While it may resemble Latin, the Finis Valorum name draws its origin from the Star Wars universe.--Finis Valorum 06:43, 14 June 2007 (BST)

Sup, J3D. I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability.

Michae Joshua is in fact not a legitimate member of EN. I know for a fact he has never had us in his group field, has absolutely no kills to his name and has never been listed on our wiki page. Ever. That being said, he is an ally of sorts. He'll give us revives when we need them, but he has his own agenda. We're not responsible for him. He probably added you there because you guys were killing him often (which is your own prerogative).

No. There is no connection with PKers and Latin. There is a connection with me and Latin, though. I like the language and the culture it is involved with. I find it rather beautiful and elegant. Escendo = Climbing, rising. Numerus = total, number. Regnum = kingdom, rule, land, authority. So, as our group name you get Rising Numbers and for our suburb you get Number Kingdom. Adrian is also a Latin name. You'll even see some of our members keep track of their kills with Roman numerals in their profile descriptions, too.

We used to keep it as our group affiliation (our kill counts in numerals), but we stopped caring who knew we were around. My pals took my original theme and just ran with it.

Anthony, more or less. We've been going into Huntley Heights more and more though.

Oh. Just saw this: "26.06 MHz: "TheKamikaze(id 844157),friend of EN,is dead thanks 2 the BBK" (2 hours and 45 minutes ago)" Sorry, looks like you killed some poor innocent bastard. Keep killing him though, it's nice having fear and paranoia spread because of us. How'd you reach that logic that he was an EN peon? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:27, 14 June 2007 (BST)

Hmmm....thanks for all the background reading there. interesting point about this kamilaze character. i noticed that broadcast too. i think it may have been diegomar. my sources say the logic goes a little something like, 'he's a friend/member of the santlerville rangers' and as we've now made it onto their enemies page (yes! :D) and you've made it off their allies page (yes! :D) we don't really like them.

Since the appearence of this new (dare i say) PKer group in town i've grown a new found sense of respect for you guys. and as i know nothing of the politics of your short lived allience i would encourage us to embrace our differences and have a mutual war against the rangers. i mean they're practically stealing your glory. i've heard them making claims that they are the areas most prestigious murders....i mean PKers.

{shudders} Just reading the (now aptly named) Rantlerville Sangers talk page makes my skin crawl. So let me know what you think of the proposition. In conclusion i apologise for my poorly organised talk page entry but, thats just the way i roll. --J3D 14:47, 15 June 2007 (BST)

Oh and Ade, i'm most flattered to hear you praising the BBK as "one of the two most organised groups in the area". --J3D 14:56, 15 June 2007 (BST)

Actually, that broadcast was my doing. I said that because SR seemed to be moving into an alliegence with you guys, which gave me even more of a reason to kill him. Sorry about the incorrect claim. Also, I just want it known that even though we are defined as enemies, Adrian (and EN), relations between our two groups is and has been quite friendly and I think that the fighting with you guys IS in fact more for fun than because we hate you/think you're dumb. Yes, that's a complement. As Jed said in an email to me, we'd much rather be spending AP killing "asshats" like SR than seemingly "cool guys" like EN (quoting general wiki/email discussion, not specific people).

Anyway I'm interested in where this SR thing could go and second Jed's suggestion. We await your response...--Nallan 05:22, 16 June 2007 (BST)

Email or PM me on your private forums with a proposal. Things like this should not be discussed publicly, I think. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:35, 16 June 2007 (BST)

What's this collaboration with friends of Finis Valorum? I'm surprised and dissapointed in you guys... I thought we had something special...--Nallan 09:26, 29 June 2007 (BST)

You're going to have to elaborate a little more, padre. Do you mean this? We've known The Watchmen for awhile, far longer than Finis has even played Urban Dead. They're top notch gents. If they ever asked for our help we'd of course provide it, Finis or not. We're already here hunting you and the 4H and you posted your location on your wiki page, so why not spread public knowledge?

As for him, I have no interest in helping Finis. He's an arrogant, puffed up douchebag. I actually quite graphically slaughtered him a couple of days ago with my Jack the Ripper alt. We declared a war on you first. As far as I'm concerned he's just nibbling on our seconds. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 19:09, 29 June 2007 (BST)

Good to hear, Adrian. I wouldn't have it any other way. See you around maybe.--Nallan 08:53, 30 June 2007 (BST)

How perfectly base.--Finis Valorum 14:26, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Sorry Finis, but I call it how I see it. From what I've seen you do that appears to be the case. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 14:37, 30 June 2007 (BST)

I wish all our enemies were like Escendo Numerus--Nallan 13:14, 1 July 2007 (BST).

I just wanna continue the convo that we had going on your talk archive. I was browsing it when I found several posts that I hadn't replied to. I even replied on the archive, forgetting where I was. So I'll continue it here:

(continued from like two months ago)

Yes I get the Australian reference, spicy. How do you know it? Anyway - I'm intrigued by this story of the spicy thing. Please, go on. Oh and sorry about not replying. I plain forgot. Didn't mean to be rude--Nallan 00:17, 23 July 2007 (BST)

The Australian thing, huh... let's just say that... ::Taps her nose.:: I know a great many things, if you get my drift.

Ahh, the spicy story... Do you like spicy food, Nally? --Spicy A 22:24, 23 July 2007 (BST)

To tell you the truth, no, I don't. But do continue...--Nallan 07:13, 24 July 2007 (BST)

Well, you see... mister Ade over there and I are great lovers of spicy food. We are literally made of spices. We will blow spices if your eyes if you piss us off. ... And he will beat you savagely with a foam pool toy. Anyway, during my early days of UD, like anything I start playing, I like to keep it a secret until I was actually, you know, found. Because using Spicy A, since it has my first inital in it, was too obvious, I went with my other name and slapped a D on the end, so that it would seem like somebody else. ... So I didn't try very hard to disguise myself, but oh well. --Spicy A 22:37, 24 July 2007 (BST)

Y'all so whack. Found by who? Who were you trying to disguise yourself from?--Nallan 01:27, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Found by THEM. They are evil!

Those who would do her harm. Being a public member of an intensely hated group while still working on level 3 in kind of hard. But we like to show everyone our kills and promote our narcissism. So, she was given a super secret codename. The hilarious thing is, since my handle starts with an A, and I do indeed like spicy food as well, the 4H started to scream that she was a wiki puppet of mine. It was all very funny.--Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:35, 26 July 2007 (BST)

Hmm, it's been a while. Just thought you would be interested to know the Finis Valorum has Escendo Numerus as his group affiliation. Now I'm sure this isn't legitimate, just thought you'd want to know. Oh and I hope you guys haven't abandoned the game, you seem to be MIA quite a bit. It'd be a shame to see you go.--Nick 03:23, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Oh and ignore the edit summary. Pressed enter by accident. :P--Nick 03:25, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Sup, Nallan. We've been playing sort of off and on. I was a zombie in Huntley Heights for awhile because I couldn't be assed to organize getting myself a revive. We're playing more and more now. As for Finis, eh. It's not legitimate, but I don't really care that he wants to get his jollies by pretending to be a big man, you know? It's sort of like a kid pretending to be a cowboy or someshit. I can't blame him for wanting to be something more than himself. Heh. It's not like he can soil our name either. We built EN on the image of the asshole villains. We've been accused of everything from rape to "hacking." He can't do any harm by being a wanna-be.

He emails me from time to time stating the I suck, or how I'm gay, etc. But yeah. Thanks for giving me the heads up. Make sure to tell him I say hello if you put a bullet in his ass. How's BBK doing? I've noticed a lot of bad spray paint condemning you guys. Make a couple enemies while we were vacant? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 04:17, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Yeah well we're not having anything else to do with him if it can be helped. The problem with putting a bullet in his ass (or anywhere else in his body) is that he jumps out the window before anyone can get a chance. The graffiti is just Finis spreading shit about us. He seems to think we zerg, which is false and there is no evidence for. The fact that the Gomerpyle41 and Beatboxer wiki accounts were created with the same computer is redundant; just because Beatboxer (or Floater, as we call him) was at Tim's (Gomer) house when he made the account doesn't mean that we use multiple characters to cheat in game. I hope Finis reads that, not that he'll believe it (we haven't actually responded to the allegations yet which has probably been a bad move). No, we haven't made any other enemies.

Anyway, Finis can do what he wants. The fact that this shit is coming from Finis is a bit rich as I'm sure you can appreciate. But yeah, we'll keep going over the graffiti and I think Santlervillites are smart enough not to believe him - it's pretty common knowledge that he's an asshat. And him killing us isn't really that much of a bother. I'm over the whole thing. Glad to hear you haven't gotten bored of it. I'll see you around Santlerville/Huntley maybe.--Nick 05:18, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Accused of rape how does that happen. you must have some cool options on your page.all i get to do is shoot people.--Dandy 69 21:35, 12 September 2007 (BST)

It's easy when your primary targets are over zealous liars. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 01:16, 13 September 2007 (BST)

About shinigamideath.

Please tell him that Jesus will smack his shit up if he keeps claiming he's God. Also, FANNY will rape him. With a dildo.

Also, has anyone been gagged with a spoon yet? Glenstone 05:44, 26 July 2007 (BST)

Does it hurt being ignorant cocksucker? I'd imagine it does. I think the whole "ignorance is bliss" quote is horseshit.

1. I've told quite a number of you retarded assholes who keep pestering me, I don't know Shinigamideath directly. If you want words with him, get the courage to do it yourself.

2. I don't know Shini's religious orientation, but if he's doing what you claim I suspect he does not care about a potential run in with a mythological figure head.

3. That's nice. I'm surprised FANNY worked up the courage to do something. Last time I saw them they were running like pissant little cowards from EN's four PKers before calling in their Red Rum lackeys. While it'd probably be better to simply beat him in the stupid little browser game I suppose you could rape him, if you really wanted to. It'd be kind of disturbing though. But hey, FANNY is already full of trannies and hookers, so it'd probably fit the established M.O.

Keep it spicy, man. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:55, 26 July 2007 (BST)

Sorry about that.

1. He prances around saying he's our God. Well, then, I'm going to run his head into a wall now. Repeatedly. I found his name here, so... yes, ignorance.

2. On second thought, Jesus raped him, thanks.

3. Aaaaand... ew. I'm not much into sticking my dick into weird people, but I'd think FANNY would. I've seen weirder people with their cocks out swinging them around in the browser game.

And, just wondering. What are the illustrations of your logos from? I must say they're done quite nicely. Glenstone 21:22, 26 July 2007 (BST)

This guy is made of awesome and win. Go, go KMFDM. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 01:53, 27 July 2007 (BST)