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The Extinction Alliance Treaty or EAT is a meta-group Alliance of Zombie/Survivor groups dedicated to bringing the extinction of revival to Malton. The formal Treaty is derived from the NATO Alliance and is an organized Malton-wide practical manifestation of the basic principles outlined in the Salt the Land concept.
Signatories to EAT, the EAT Groups, vow to collectively safeguard and expand the Red Suburbs of Malton's growing Extinction Zone.
Any expressions of interest, queries about the Articles and so on should be conducted on this Discussion page.
Welcome to the EAT Table --Zeug 11:30, 29 August 2007 (BST)
EAT Discussion
All your Chudleyton are belong to us
I are in your Chudleyton, rebuilding all your buildings. Raye Penber 7:39 Monday
On Trolling
You're totally fooling everyone.--Karekmaps?! 04:41, 31 August 2007 (BST)
- Ha! Hello there, and that's very amusing coming from someone with "RRF/CRF" in their sig - how's your CRF Caiger sentinel going? We've got absolutely nothing against Sonny using the CRF as a holding pen for RRF alts and we're serious about this Alliance, we're going to do our best to get as many groups signed as possible no matter what the trolls say. Salt the Land isn't an Extinction idea, we've just taken it as a gameplay concept and given it some concrete form. Want to help take it to the next level? --Zeug 10:24, 31 August 2007 (BST)
- Man, you really don't know what you are talking about. 1) My CRF is idled out. 2) CRF has no command structure at all, what you see on the public forums is the extent of the CRF. They do not work with the RRF in any way shape or form and are almost all alts from various survivor groups, not the RRF.--Karekmaps?! 06:51, 1 September 2007 (BST)
- No command structure apart from the forum ... yes, very good. Your alt is idled out waiting in Caiger Mall ... a bit like a sentinel? So you have at least 2 alts you coordinate on barhah.com and no matter what you say CRF coordinates with RRF simply by actively sharing alts and having RRF trash everything S and E of Caiger for 4-5 burbs. Ridleybank along with Barrville is in fact the SE bulwark helping hold Caiger and you are a multi-alt single forum UD player, you should troll yourself.--Zeug 08:49, 1 September 2007 (BST)
- Totally, I do all of that and more, I'm most definitely known for zerging and using alts with one another, I'm sure I even read both forums daily and log onto my CRF alt ever. I'm lazy, at a point I had an account in both hordes, my CRF account hasn't been logged into since before Caiger mall fell, although I probably will go back on it sometime in the future and leave the area completely as the only reason I went there in the first place was there was no zombies anywhere else in the West other than Darvall Heights. By the way, I'm not trolling I'm commenting on how childish what you guys are trying to do as a sort of commentary on the RRF is, and how misinformed and wrong it is, even though I doubt you'll ever believe that. In the end no matter what you do or say the Extinction Alliance is simply an excuse for you to use alts in conjunction with one another, it doesn't matter what other groups do, it doesn't matter if the RRF and CRF share a forum, which by the way is not the same thing at all over the year many groups have shared that forum, many groups also shared Desensitized when it was around, many groups were even founded there and they most certainly were not coordinated in any way, and it most certainly doesn't matter what your intentions may have been the results are quite clear. If you want to show you don't zerg and that you don't abuse your alts in the same way you seem to, foolishly, be accusing me of without knowing anything about my accounts or my history then you should have chosen the path you had originally planned on, not deciding not to because you think it appeases others then deciding to claim something similar to it but falsely by splitting the horde in three DEM like sub-groups that are not truly independent any more than in name. You should have taken the higher road, all this does is help validate what people were saying while showing how childish certain members of yours can be with regurgitated rhetoric and blatant baseless accusations of others to take the focus off of you. Someone else's actions don't excuse yours.--Karekmaps?! 13:08, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- By the way, I was one of the ones hoping you would go clean and finally try to legitimize your horde before all of this started, I have had history with Extinction in the past and while many of your members can be likable you refuse to deal with your problems and instead constantly make excuses for certain behaviors, which is a large portion of why people dislike Extinction and certain of your more infamous members are despised. You, Zeug, are a great example of this.--Karekmaps?! 13:13, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- No command structure apart from the forum ... yes, very good. Your alt is idled out waiting in Caiger Mall ... a bit like a sentinel? So you have at least 2 alts you coordinate on barhah.com and no matter what you say CRF coordinates with RRF simply by actively sharing alts and having RRF trash everything S and E of Caiger for 4-5 burbs. Ridleybank along with Barrville is in fact the SE bulwark helping hold Caiger and you are a multi-alt single forum UD player, you should troll yourself.--Zeug 08:49, 1 September 2007 (BST)
- Man, you really don't know what you are talking about. 1) My CRF is idled out. 2) CRF has no command structure at all, what you see on the public forums is the extent of the CRF. They do not work with the RRF in any way shape or form and are almost all alts from various survivor groups, not the RRF.--Karekmaps?! 06:51, 1 September 2007 (BST)
- Karek, i will tell you some things about the Extinction Alliance that you probably dont know. EAT simply is a heading for the Salt the Land Alliance..which is the only thing these groups have in common. Extinction is independently run from the Guardians & NecroTech Junkies. Seperate leaders (which run there own group to whichever way the want to), forum (they run there own section on the Extinction forum as admins of there group), goals (they do different things and dont ever work together..
- Extinction (likes strike attacking buildings in green burbs)..
- Guardians (they are 100% random, not run by a "head" leader..they merly put notes on the Extinction forum Guardian section saying that theres a building with humans..and other random Guardians will go and help out..)
- ..and NTJ do there own thing suburbs away having fun on there own... All groups merly agree to the Salt the Land tactic and follow it. Like i said 100 times before..they dont work together. If Guardians cant take a building then you just call some Extinction members to help out..no..if they cant take it then they cant take it. Tuff.--Brainz 13:58, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- Heh, they'll never get off their high horses Brainz. We've certainly touched a raw nerve as far as their RRF/CRF/MoB "zerging" goes, I get screeds of the above all the time, veritable essays of apologetics explaining why their use of multi-alts on barhah.com isn't cheating under their own stupid definitions.
- And karek if you think you represent the majority of UD players I really think you're deluded, you're just the usual wiki troll who gets off on these small incestuous wiki/forum populations and thinks cos your friends agree with you then you must be righteous. Jorm's an excellent example of this small minded fish in a tiny bowl. Extinction offends you cos we argue on logical grounds and our recruitment is outstripping first the MoB and now the RRF. The UD community is voting with its feet despite your elitist zeds constant trolling. We don't despise you though, we think you're kind of funny and categorically reject your accusations of cheating/zerging etc "scummery". So please stop trolling everywhere Extinction players interact with the community, it's unethical, unseemly and patronizingly pointless. --Zeug 18:28, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- Extinction offends most of us because you're slimy liars who have outright cheated in the past and say the only reason you don't outright cheat now is that you can't find a way for it to benefit you in the long run. "Logical arguments" consist of you looking for loopholes, making knowingly fallacious comparisons to justify your behavior, quoting a gaming article about fighting, and calling the rest of the Urban Dead community scrubs for having a reasonable interpretation of "completely separate existences". And for all of these things and your admitted complete lack of ethics as "unnecessary boy scout rules" you never deserve the benefit of the doubt and are rightfully almost universally despised by any group who knows anything about you. I know why you created the EAT and I know it's nothing like Barhah, you just want to be able to say it is in case a ruling ever comes down from above that one alt per group is actually how the game is to be played. This is why you're disliked, as much as anything. You don't really think what you're doing is okay so you spend incredibly amounts of time to make it appear that it does, including making arguments you don't really believe. You're good rhetorical arguers, but good rhetoric is not good logic. But of course I'm just jealous or elitist because that's the only reason another zombie player couldn't like your group. Right?--Insomniac By Choice 18:55, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- The thing you all dont seem to get is Extinction never cheated. Even when we were using our alts in the same group by UD rules it was at most considered alt-abuse (which isnt against the rules..only a grey tactic). Again, i try to create a better Extinction but people are never going to except it anyway...no matter how much we change. Even if we disbanded know one would except us..so **** you. **** the wiki. **** everyone else that thinks we cheated in the past. You have no proof because there is none..cause it never happened. If you want the to know the truth..join Extinction for afew days and get it. Otherwise..dont post here again..cause you know nothing. --Brainz 21:08, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- A better horde can not be made out of extinction, people like Zeug make that quite impossible. Start over and you might have more than a snowballs chance in hell but as is you will never change what people think based off of your past actions and reactions.--Karekmaps?! 03:43, 3 September 2007 (BST)
- The thing you all dont seem to get is Extinction never cheated. Even when we were using our alts in the same group by UD rules it was at most considered alt-abuse (which isnt against the rules..only a grey tactic). Again, i try to create a better Extinction but people are never going to except it anyway...no matter how much we change. Even if we disbanded know one would except us..so **** you. **** the wiki. **** everyone else that thinks we cheated in the past. You have no proof because there is none..cause it never happened. If you want the to know the truth..join Extinction for afew days and get it. Otherwise..dont post here again..cause you know nothing. --Brainz 21:08, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- Extinction offends most of us because you're slimy liars who have outright cheated in the past and say the only reason you don't outright cheat now is that you can't find a way for it to benefit you in the long run. "Logical arguments" consist of you looking for loopholes, making knowingly fallacious comparisons to justify your behavior, quoting a gaming article about fighting, and calling the rest of the Urban Dead community scrubs for having a reasonable interpretation of "completely separate existences". And for all of these things and your admitted complete lack of ethics as "unnecessary boy scout rules" you never deserve the benefit of the doubt and are rightfully almost universally despised by any group who knows anything about you. I know why you created the EAT and I know it's nothing like Barhah, you just want to be able to say it is in case a ruling ever comes down from above that one alt per group is actually how the game is to be played. This is why you're disliked, as much as anything. You don't really think what you're doing is okay so you spend incredibly amounts of time to make it appear that it does, including making arguments you don't really believe. You're good rhetorical arguers, but good rhetoric is not good logic. But of course I'm just jealous or elitist because that's the only reason another zombie player couldn't like your group. Right?--Insomniac By Choice 18:55, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- And karek if you think you represent the majority of UD players I really think you're deluded, you're just the usual wiki troll who gets off on these small incestuous wiki/forum populations and thinks cos your friends agree with you then you must be righteous. Jorm's an excellent example of this small minded fish in a tiny bowl. Extinction offends you cos we argue on logical grounds and our recruitment is outstripping first the MoB and now the RRF. The UD community is voting with its feet despite your elitist zeds constant trolling. We don't despise you though, we think you're kind of funny and categorically reject your accusations of cheating/zerging etc "scummery". So please stop trolling everywhere Extinction players interact with the community, it's unethical, unseemly and patronizingly pointless. --Zeug 18:28, 2 September 2007 (BST)
- HA! Well I know what I think of you trolls, you're funny. EAT is actually working quite well. We're getting recruitment interest in the Guardians from non-Extinction members which is really going to focus the group's activities on counter insurgency, something that was always difficult to do when Extinction's focus was mostly on the strike horde. It was too fractured and bitsy especially considering the vast majority of Extinction members are one alt only.
- Likewise with NTJ, it's difficult convincing zombie players to have fun playing a breather. I'm one of the very few that crosses over and plays a dedicated NTJ after a CR. NTJ becoming an independent group and going Malton wide is the best thing that's happened with this EAT split. And now Extinction itself is a dedicated strike horde without the other distractions.
- Insomniac, you really should get over yourself, you are becoming a shrill troll which is a pity. "Slimy liars"? Is that the best you can do? I haven't lied anywhere in my dealings with you and all you can come up with is this trollbait and apparently you have nothing better to do than follow me and Brainz around trolling Extinction nowadays. Take a deep breath, relax, and get back to the game. You lot are behaving like a bunch of hyperthyroidal 13 yo's and this trollbait thread here is prime evidence of that. --Zeug 04:52, 3 September 2007 (BST)
Funny... On my own, just from reading their forums and wikis, some time ago I came the exact same conclusion about Extinction as the barhah.com crowd... And there is one word to sum up the "subtle differences" between how barhah.com people and Extinction people operate: integrity.
Oh, and Zeug, you really seem to need help, professional help... I hope you live in country with socialised medicine... Or maybe your daddy has a good plan... hope so, the meds must cost a FORTUNE... And Brainz, I remember a couple of lines from a certain old movie:
[smugly] "Apes don't read philosophy!"
[retort] "Yes they do... They just don't understand it."
Anyway... Extinction is ultimately boring as hell -- like most who are overly full of themselves yet lacking genuine substance... So, ciao... have fun on your sandboxes, kids... --WanYao 10:57, 5 September 2007 (BST)
- More trolling? Ha, and on a discussion thread about trolling...? We're in it for the gameplay and it is fun, you should ask yourself why you feel the need to troll people on a free MMORPG WanYao, get some introspection going instead of babbling these inanities. I do find it interesting though as far as the social network goes. And if you'd like to get past your juvenilia and discuss some of the philosophical aspects to gameplay I'm more than willing to join in, I do read philosophy and I have my own understanding of it, how else could it be? --Zeug 11:30, 5 September 2007 (BST)
- Yaaawn... I was finally expressing my opinion of you in the open, which opinion happens to be quite negative... and justifiably so... If that's "trolling," so be it... It's funny, you overcompensatory children can dish out the abuse, calling everyone "scrubs" and "cub scouts" -- or trolls -- but you sure don't like taking it, do you? Not surprising... I have no interest in you, or your "philosophies"... I've already read about them, they're boring... Now, if I were a troll, I'd keep wasting my time on this... But I can't be bothered, I merely wanted to make a stand... So, seeya 'round... --WanYao 19:25, 5 September 2007 (BST)
- Bbbbut .... I like trolls! And philosophy! And I'm not sure how to engage with a general critique of "my" philosophies as "boring" ... a little bit more detail would be cool. In fact any detail beyond the usual troll inability to engage rationally in an argument beyond silly schoolyard insults. I truly will respond if anyone would like to engage. --Zeug 18:36, 6 September 2007 (BST)
