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| ==Developing Suggestions==
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| *''Be sure to check [[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]] and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots | Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.'' There you can read about many idea's that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''', or a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/24th-Apr-2007#Rooftops.2C_Sniper_Rifle.2C_and_Sniper_Ammo|Sniper Rifles]]'''. There users can also get a handle of what an appropriate suggestion looks like.
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| *<font color="red">'''With the advent of new game updates, users are requested to allow some time for the game and community to adjust to these changes ''before'' suggesting alterations.'''</font>
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| ===CCTV Cameras===
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| |suggest_time=[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_description=In Monroeville, a mansion outside the city has nonfunctional CCTV cameras overlooking the outside of the mansion. Well, this gives me an idea for the mansions in Malton. Why wouldn’t they have cameras looking outside? Maybe they do…Maybe now that survivors are forced to get more resourceful, they may have started using them.
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| The way the cameras work is simple. In any powered block inside a mansion, there will be an option “View Surveillance Cameras” (must be in a powered block). You will then get a view similar to binocular use, though it only shows the outside of the mansion. Cameras in a quadrant of the mansion will only function if that quadrant is powered. Unpowered sections will cause “No Signal” to display in the view of those areas. Here is an example of what it would look like.
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| ====Discussion (CCTV Cameras)====
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| If I have to put a comment about more stupid shit at the top of this page, I'm not going to be happy.
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| Boredomwood isn't even 24 hours old and already you want to pull something from it over into Malton? Grow the fuck up. New toys may be shiny, but they might have sharp edges and be made of toxic plastic. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Pretty much what Iscariot said. Anyway, no X-Ray vision. I'm pretty sure thats on SD/DN. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 21:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| No. First of all, this is not even going to save you any AP. Between putting and fueling a generator in a mansion (and who does that?) and then actually using AP to repair the CCTV, (which would need to happen) and then actually using it, you could have just stepped outside and back in and entry point. silly. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 22:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Im pretty sure this is a dupe. Where are the dupe fairies? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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| : Yep. [[Suggestions/18th-Apr-2007#CCTV_revision_1|I]] & [[PR_Equipment_New#CCTV|II]] {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ===Zombies Stuck in Lights===
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| |suggest_time= [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 00:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_scope= Zombies
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| |suggest_description= When a zombie attacks Christmas Lights, they have a 10-15% chance of getting tangled in them. If they do, the Christmas Lights become a part of their clothing like fuel stains and they would be removed in the same fashion, when the zombie is alive. It would in no way harm the zombie or hinder them if they get stuck.
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| ====Discussion (Zombies Stuck in Lights)====
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| I like it, it isn't going to break the game and isn't totally out in left field. Actually I could imagine some further flavor text, like "Your fire your pistol at the zombie for 5 damage. A lightbulb on the string wrapped around them pops."--[[User:DJ Deadbeat|DJ Deadbeat]] 01:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| sure, flavor is fine if it isn't overdone--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 01:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| bahahaha, noice flavour jel. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Good idea, would do well as a temporary December update. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I'd prefer if they had a way of getting rid of them, but would vote Keep even without <tt>:D</tt>. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 01:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :The way i read it that too, like it shows up in the clothes slot and can be removed that way.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ::I meant for zombies. You know that zombies can't remove clothes, right? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 22:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I like it. Should have suggested a bit earlier though. Oh wait, its December soon. Well, in the case, bring on this suggestion. Have a human equivelent too perhaps, say they can punch the lights and also be tangled? I'm not sure. Oh, please, think of the survivors! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I like it too. Nice flavor for Christmas. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Go for it, man! [[User:Janjones|Janjones]] 21:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| The only suggestion regarding Christmas that should be up is the one to remove it altogether from the game. I loathe Christmas. Barhahumbug! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :You always get socks. We can tell. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ===Fire===
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| |suggest_description=The idea came to me while I was in the car. "Hmm, what if you could set things on fire?"
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| Barricades must have 5 fuel cans poured over them, and then have a flare gun fired at them by a character over level 30. This means that a flare has a maximum chance of 7.5% of hitting the barricades and igniting them, a 52.5% chance of flying harmlessly over the barricade, where it will act like an ordinary flare fired from outside, and a minimum of a 40% chance of hitting the wall and blinding the firer. (Blinded means that for 10 AP; the map is white,the building description is {{udspan|You cannot see.}} and the target list has only 'wildly' as an option. Every action made has a 50% chance of succeeding and a 50% chance of the character falling over and hurting themselves using the same rules as free running into ruins.) Regardless of result, the people in the building will be notified of the flare being fired. If the shot succeeds, the barricades will ignite, setting the building on fire. The inside and outside building descriptions will be changed. The resulting explosion from the fuel will kill the shooter, destroy any remaining fuel cans they have, and the resulting concussion will strip them of all AP, require them to spend an extra 5AP to stand up and set them on fire. If the character is under level 30, the hit rate for the flare will be 1%, as if they did not possess basic firearms training. In this event, the chance for blinding yourself will increase to 46.5%.
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| A lot of effort with many penalties, but a fairly good result.
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| Burning barricades do not have hit rates halved, but will set anyone who spends more than 3AP near them on fire. You can be near a barricade by either interacting with it or by being inside the building. Climbing over a burning barricade does not set you on fire, but does count as one of the 3AP. The burning building will be full of smoke, having the same effect as the building being dark. However, as the barricades are illuminated, the hit-rate on them are not affected. If a character is in the building and has any kind of book in their inventory, they may throw it onto the fire for the cost of 1AP.
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| (Ideally any interaction with the barricade apart from a successful extinguish would set the character on fire, while being in the building for more than 3AP without wearing a gas mask would give the character carbon monoxide poisoning, removing 1HP every AP until they leave the building. However, this would make an already complex suggestion more complicated.)
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| When a character is on fire, they will lose 1HP per AP, as with infection, however, it cannot be cured with conventional healing methods. (Meaning that a character may remain indefinitely on fire, as a sort of badge of honour.) The line "They are on fire" will be added to the character's profile, and zombies/dead bodies will be singled out as in {{udspan|There are n zombies here. m are on fire and x are charred.}} and {{udspan|There are n dead bodies here. m are smouldering gently and x are charred.}} The only way to extinguish a burning character/barricade is to either hit them with a fire axe, or to pour holy water over them. (Holy water being a new weapon findable in churches and cathedrals which has a 100% hit rate and does 0 damage. It will also clean fuel stains of anything. ) If a character is wearing fuel soaked clothing when they are ignited they will get the message {{udspan|Your fuel soaked clothes explode into flames, causing you 5 damage.}} otherwise receiving {{udspan|Your clothes catch fire, causing 1 damage.}} either way, the character will then be notified that they will lose 1HP per AP and the ways to extinguish themselves. Characters hit with flare guns whilst wearing fuel soaked clothing will also be set on fire.
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| A survivor who dies while on fire will rise as still on fire, however a zombie will rise as charred, to prevent an endless loop of irritation. Char has no effect other than in building and profile descriptions, and is lost upon revival.
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| Burning barricades will retain their levels (unless knocked down) until they are extinguished, when they drop to very strongly barricaded, covering the building and extinguisher in soot. Extinguishing can only take place from the inside.
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| *Burning; lose 1HP per AP until extinguished. This status continues from human to zombie, but a zombie who dies from the status is simply charred.
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| *Blind; cannot see for 10AP and all actions have a 50% chance of injury. Can be cured by FAKs.
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| *Charred: Zombie is marked as 'charred' in building and character descriptions. Status is lost when revived.
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| *Sooty: The walls are caked in soot from a fire.
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| *Smokey: The building is full of smoke, making it hard to see anything other than the merrily blazing barricades.
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| *Barricades and people may be set on fire if they are thoroughly soaked in fuel.
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] threw fuel over the barricades.}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] fired a flare gun over the top of the barricades.}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] set fire to the barricades, killing themselves in the process.}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] extinguished [the barricades/[[Person]]].}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] caught fire.}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] threw a book onto the fire.}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] fell over in their blindness, arms flailing wildly.}}
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| *{{udspan|[[Person]] [fired/swung] [item] wildly, managing to miss hitting anything.}}
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| *{{udspan|There are n zombies here. m are on fire and x are charred.}}
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| God damn it this is a terrible suggestion. Can someone fix the format that got f'd up?
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| As far as critique: This is terribly overpowered, and makes no sense. Why should the shooter have to be over level 30? Where is the Holy Water found, at what percentage, and what encumberance? Why is it Holy Water? Why do you think its a good idea to screw with peoples AP?
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| This is over the top grieftastic and sucktastic and STFUastic. Read the do's and do nots, and then try an idea that doesn't add items that make no sense and game mechanics that are silly and all sorts of game breakingly grief tactics, and the fact that half of this is made up of dupes of previous suggestions. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 02:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Reformatted the suggestion to remove all those extra headlines. I think it was screwing up the page. Also, FIRE BAD.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I wrote a bunch of stuff about how awful this suggestion is, but there was an edit conflict and lost it all, so I'll just say this: Next time try doing your "thinking" on the toilet and concentrate on driving.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I can only hope your driving is not as bad as this suggestion.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I skimmed this suggestion. Isn't fire on FS? And Holy Water? Spam. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| As Iscariot. Fire suggestions are quite common. Another thing-if you are going to use water, just call it water. Holy Water puts religion into the game, which no-one wants. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 10:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Ok, so it sucks. I personally thought it was kinda cool. So, since it's clearly not tenable, should I just delete it, or does it stay up here for a while for other people to mock? --{{User:Lexi/sig}} 10:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :It's contentious whether something should stay up. I'd say leave it, it'll be cycled after a while automatically and in the meantime serves as an example to newer users as to what not to suggest and why. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| tl;dr.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ===Soccer Ball===
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| |suggest_time=[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F'ing Dog]] 21:53, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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| |suggest_description=Before I start let me say that this is a serious suggestion even though it might seem humorous. What I'm going to suggest is ridiculous and not in genre one bit. This is more of an interesting way of experimenting with how the Urban dead population reacts to a silly addition than any sort of change for the game itself.
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| I suggest that Kevan place a soccer ball somewhere outdoors in Malton. The soccer ball can't be attacked or picked up. However if you're in the room with it you choose which direction to kick it in (N, NE, E, SE, S, SW, W, NW). Kicking it would cost 1AP and move the ball 1 space in that direction. Both zombies and suvivors can kick the ball.
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| The current position of the ball would be added to the game stats. Perhaps teams would form to compete moving the ball to different destinations, or "goals." I'm not sure I'd make a point of playing with the ball for long but like [http://www.wheresgeorge.com/ where's george] it'd be interesting to see where it is.
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| Ok, I'm alright with this. I don't think it should be able to go indoors, however. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:55, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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| I don't think it would be implemented, But it is an interesting idea nevertheless. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:08, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| Yeah, indoors is silly but yeah could be interesting. Sort of stupid though...i mean isn't there games like this somewhere?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:27, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| If this is "ridiculous and not in genre one bit" then WHY would you suggest it?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:37, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| :That is an AMAZING suggestion. I would really vote keep on this. Just make sure it can only go outdoors. Also, make it so if it hits the W border, it adds +1 to a tally on the stats page under 'Goals on the West Border', and visa versa for the East border, and if that happens, the ball resets in the middle of Ridleybank or something. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:18, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::OOOOOMMGGGGGGG I love this idea SO much. And yes, implement Charlies idea, imagine it....would be loads of fun even if it just happened for a week or so. Maybe Kevan could implement it while the 2010 World Cup is on?--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 05:27, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::And no, don't let it go inside--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 05:31, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| I would vote Keep only if 1) the ball was only in-game for a day (like April 1st) or for a week, as a kind of annual special event. 2)It be called a '''football''' since Malton is presumably in the U.K. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 05:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::::I second the idea for implementing this for the 2010 World Cup, but probably only then unless everyone wants to keep it. --[[User:Mithos Yggdrasill|Mithos Yggdrasill]] 17:11, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::::Gotta keep this suggestion alive, if you don't want, Dog, let me put it forward, I have plans for this 'game'. Mwaha. But yeah, I really think adding a goal system, maybe even a passing system (across multiple blocks) and some sort of real-time tackling system would make this a keeper for a World Cup event or something. Galaxy has a good idea with the random kicking W or E depending on whether you are a zombie/human. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 01:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Would vote keep. Possible other formulations include making it an attackable object such that when zombies attack it, it stands a chance of going NW, W, or SW, and when survivors attack it it stands a chance of going NE, E, or SE. Thus making it a zombie v. survivor game. --{{User:Galaxy125/Sig}}05:48, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::::I was thinking similar. Maybe once a year we could have a week long zombie v humans football match, where the opposing sides let down their hair and just have a bit of fun....killing is still possible though, to gain an advantage over the other side--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 05:52, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| A zombie apocalypse is serious business, not a ball game. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 11:14, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Just like the interwebs? It is a browser game. Opting-In or Opting-Out of updates is the way to go.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:53, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| Co-ordinated with the football season or major competitions and it might be fun. I would however make its inclusion optional... ie you can choose to see and receive news on the "ball" much like you can choose to ignore feeding groans and radios! That way those who don't care or who actively disagree with its inclusion don't have to be bothered with it.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 15:50, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| OK first of all maybe it is just me but I had to click on the edit link down by Wan Yao's suggestion to get to the right section here to edit. (all of the other edit links took me to parts of the FIRE suggestion. WTF?) Anyone else having that problem? I don't have the time to investigate right now. Second, why not just make a character called SOCCER BALL or FOOTBALL and leave it outside. Then when the "teams" find him/it they have to kill/PK it to score. Make rules like you can only use a knife or pipe or something to attack. Then revive it and move it for the next game. Or leave it a zombie but get enough XP to get lurching gait so it can move a bit further. Organize a kick off time (say always 45 minutes after server reset) and any attacks before then DQ a team. Make it so "games" are only on Monday and Thurs. (or something) that way there is enough time to save AP and relocate the ball. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :Fixed the problem - fire suggestion was screwing things up.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Let's start with something simple. There is no such thing as soccer. The game you stupid fucking Yanks insist on calling 'soccer' is actually called football. The game you call football is actually a badly played version of rugby, except with the rules changed so it's easy, simple, allows you to wear armour like nancies and lets you stop to have rests every 15 seconds. If you insist on making this suggestion it will be entitled football.
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| Secondly, fuck right off. How out of genre do you want? Bored with the game? Two choices, create your own fun without suggesting crap that the rest of us have to be involved in, or quit the fucking game. No doubt someone will mention the football game in The Great War and how that was 'out of genre' yet still happened, I'd point anyone who said that to the rest of the wars in history where football wasn't played. Just because something happened once out of thousands of times does not mean we should replicate it. If we are, I seem to recall zombies shooting guns in Day of The Dead, any of you fuckers going to vote keep on that? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :gulp.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Remember the Easter Eggs? They were totally in genre hey.......This should be a one day thing to co-incide with world cup 2010. For fun, for a week. Normal life can exist around it.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Do you remember when easter eggs came back this year? Oh that's right they didn't, probably because Kevan realised how stupid is was for a load of survivors in the apocalypse to go egg hunting! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::I don't like Iscariot being such a noob. You know what fantastic events weren't in genre buddy? [[April_Fool's|Vampires]]. Not to mention Facebook! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :Whenever people are cooped up for several years they'll find ways to amuse themselves. Possibly ways that don't deal with zombie combat. A semi-organized game of association football is only not-in-genre because most movies deal with recent zombie outbreaks rather than in the years following. --{{User:Galaxy125/Sig}}16:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :Iscariot, I hate to break it to you, but games have to start somewhere. I could argue that rugby and football are the same game, being as they started with the same players and the only reason they became seperate sports it because they disagreed about the rules about using your hands and goals. And both rugby and football are nothing more then more recent versions of Cuju. There is a game called soccer, and it is an american version of football. The game we call is football is a game that may have started with something like rugby but is totally different in gameplay and strategy. You don't have to like the games, but they are just as legitimate as your sports. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 20:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I like it! Good flavour and fun. It doesn't interrupt the main game too much either. Iscariot, not everything needs to be "in genre". For a fun thing in the game, It would be excellent. I support that it shouldn't go indoors.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 15:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I really like this idea but I agree it should only be a certain time of year and shouldn't go indoors. -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 15:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ===Beer/Fuel Stains+Flare Gun=Bonfire!===
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| |suggest_time=[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 23:26, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| |suggest_description=When you attack a survivor or zombie with beer/wine bottles, their clothes may become alcohol-stained if the PR suggestion to do so is implemented. Currently, fuel can hits may cause fuel stains on clothes. If a survivor or zombie is shot with a flare while their clothes are soaked, they will ignite, receiving 5 damage points immediately due to the flare-up, in addition to the Flare shot. Flare damage can be reduced by Flak Jackets, but the fire that ensues has no reduction. While on fire, every action made by the victim will deal 1 damage point until they put it out (this stacks with infection). While on fire, the victim has an additional option to “Put out the fire” via the stop, drop, and roll method, at a cost of 1 AP. After the fire is extinguished, the burnt clothing falls away.
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| ====Discussion (Beer/Fuel Stains+Flare Gun=Bonfire!)====
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| Have you ever tried lighting Budweiser? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:36, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| Eh. I find a problem with people purposely lighting up, and then continuosly healing and meleeing survivors in a buildings. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:43, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| no. overpowered and also not realistic. if this were realistic, every time i dropped a smoke on my clothes that i drunkenly spilled beer or vodka on :P i'd have gone a la michael jackson... and, last i checked, i don't look like diana ross. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:38, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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| No. Overpowered-grieftastic-dupe. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:22, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| | |'''Type:''' UI enhancement |
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| | |'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked. |
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| {{suggestionNew | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
| |suggest_time=[[User:Mithos Yggdrasill|Mithos Yggdrasill]] 22:28, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| |suggest_scope=Survivors, may cross over to zeds | | |- |
| |suggest_description=An ability that allows survivors (and zeds, if the skill crosses over) to drag a corpse to another square with them for, say, a 2AP penalty to movement. This could be used to drag bodies to where they'll be less of a threat when they ?rise, or just for getting a buddy to a revive point faster. If a corpse is on your contact list, you can select them specifically to drag, either that or the ability ONLY works on people on your Contacts list. The corpse isn't damaged in any way when transported. Of course, since this is my first time trying this "Suggestion" thing, I'm willing, nay, eager, to accept constructive criticism. | | |'''Scope:''' Everyone |
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| EDIT: Nevermind, go ahead and delete this idea. Several people have pointed out how it's a "pied piper".
| | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
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| ====Discussion (Dragging Corpses)====
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| --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Pied piper. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:00, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| :What does that mean?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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| A griefer's dream. People put enemies on their contacts lists, too. And I know I've seen at least one suggestion like this before. --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 23:37, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| This is an old dupe, no need even for a link, its on the FAQ and frequently suggested. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:44, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| This is, as stated, suggested a lot. Here is why it is bad:
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| *Allows a zerge character to act as a taxi for "real" characters, saving their AP.
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| *Can be used to fuck with other players. Imagine YOU log in expecting to be in Caiger mall to find your somewhere else, several suburbs away. Or, worse, dragging you into some place that you will not survive.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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| ===First Aid helps you find/assemble FAKs in Hospitals===
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| |suggest_time=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:39, 22 October 2008 (BST) | |
| |suggest_type=search rates & skill buff
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| |suggest_description=Nerfing mall FAK rates was a great idea which I myself and others were screaming for on these pages a little while ago. It's a great change. However, most of us were also calling for a parallel increase in FAK search rates in Hospitals. This doesn't appear to have happened, thus IMNSHO FAKs and healing and newbie Scientists have been nerfed a bit too much.
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| Therefore, I'd like to propose that characters possessing First Aid gain a search % buff in Hospitals, in addition to its normal benefits. The exact amount is up for discussion, but I am thinking 10% right now: Hospitals should never be 50% like Malls were, not even close... Also, this could require Surgery, not just First Aid... But I actually wanna help newbies and Scientists a little with this.
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| ====Discussion (First Aid buffs FAK searches in Hospitals)====
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| --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| I don't know. This doesn't really seem that necessary. Malls weren't '''that''' huge of a FAK source for most people because not a whole lot get Bargain Hunting or Shopping very quickly and even when they do, I don't know of many who depended on malls for their main FAK source. The change was really only an inconvenience.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 04:45, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| Nup. You just need to get out of the mindset that FAKs are a dime a dozen, now they are something of a rare commodity.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:40, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| Argo... I relied on Malls a lot for FAKs. I mean how can you turn your nose at nearly 1 in 2 odds??? And I am pretty sure most people played the same way. Which is why this change was so welcome, overall... Especially considering that FAKs are easily the most powerful pro-survivor item after syringes. Now, J3D might have a point... However, the new drugstore nerf really does make survivors a lot less survivable... And it actually sorta buffs trenchcoating because "FAKing your way up the ladder" just got a lot less efficient... Though, if anything, in practice I think this is going to favour PKers more than anyone... Which is interesting: the last two big updates ended up being PKer buffs... It's also given a wonderful new idea for a death culting strategy, hmmmmmmnnnn............ --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:56, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| :I don't think it benefits trenchies, surely now they'll recognise the importance of FAKKing? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:02, 22 October 2008 (BST) | |
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| Malls really where a great source of FAK's and reducing their role as port of first (often only) call can only be a good thing. However my recent searches seem to suggest that Hospitals might actually be getting worse too. Yesterday i spent well over 20AP in an unpowered hospital with no success and my other survivor only found 2 in a powered hospital and a whole days AP. Could be bad luck I know but still...--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:22, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| :I think that's bad luck; my survivor spent 30+aps searching a autorepair and got nothing. Less than 10 ap on a hospital and I got 2 FAKs --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 01:44, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| Wan, I think this is a good idea. It promotes spreading away from Malls. I think Kevan has upped the search rate in PDs recently to do the same thing, so you would be promoting a game change in accordance with Kevan's vision. If I am right, of course. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:58, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| I'd say no to this on grounds that yesterday I searched an unpowered hospital and was getting a consistent 1 in 3 success rate. Search rates ''always'' fluctuate after an update, they need a lot longer to properly settle down before we start suggesting ideas related to it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:32, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| Heh... when I read "assemble FAKs" I thought you were going to suggest something like manufacturing a FAK for 10aps, sort of like manufacturing syringes. Anyways, I'm undecided. Healers already get a buff that was underappreciated: Surgery. Maybe now to counterbalance the lower search rates more people will have to go to hospitals to get healed for that 50% extra FAK effectiveness instead of healers coming to them and burning an extra FAK to heal a recently revived bodybuilder to full health.
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| Also, since Kevan would want to control and tweak FAK/syringe search rates to balance the game better, if characters with First Aid get a boost in hospitals, he might use that boost as the base FAK search rate (since almost everyone has that skill), thus nerfing the % rate of those without said skill; so if he saw that hospital FAK search rates are too low he would boost it so people with the First Aid search bonus would get a search rate that he'd deem appropriate, (just like when determining syringe search rates he might assume that most NTs will be powered). So this would effectively be a nerf to people without First Aid...hhmmm does that last part make any sense? --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 01:52, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| As I see it, First Aid would be improved by this. I'm sure Kevan realizes the search rates might need to be altered now, but this would be a good way to do it.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:50, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| ===Players inside barricaded buildings can listen to others smashing it=== | | ===Action Points=== |
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| |suggest_time=[[User:Janjones|Janjones]] 01:01, 21 October 2008 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
| |suggest_type=Role Playing, Flavor
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| |suggest_scope=All players and classes | | |'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate |
| |suggest_description=I suggest that players inside a barricaded building could listen the noise made by players smashing and tearing down the barricades. Whenever someone attacks the barricades from outside (independent if the barricade is damaged or not), the people inside should receive a message like "You listen something pounding the barricades", just to add some sense of terror and expectation to survivors inside a building.Of course the message could be disabled just like Feeding Groans, flares etc. In order to avoid spam, there should be some kind of percentage to determine if the blow will produce noise or not (something between 15% and 25%, the same chances of damaging the barricades). | | |- |
| |discussion=|}} | | |'''Scope:''' Everyone |
| ====Discussion (Players inside barricaded buildings can listen to others smashing it)====
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| | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
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| --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
| | ====Discussion (Action Points)==== |
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| I think it makes some sense. But it should be a precentage chance to hear I think. I mean think about it. Sure, you can switch it off, but that would kinda defeat the purpose. But if you have it on that would be a LOT of spam in heavy attack areas.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 01:55, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Good point about the percentage. [[User:Janjones|Janjones]] 02:30, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| What about people tearing down the barricades from the inside?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:19, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| Given that a maxed out zombie can easily burn 50AP and not get through EHB's you are inviting a whole lot of SPAM and probably server lag. Also consider this... If a survivor is active he already has a chance to spot that his cades are falling and thus that there is an active zed outside this would just make it even easier to foil his dinner plans. To even attempt to balance this for the zed side you would have to notify them that they heard sounds of frantic searching coming from inside (not implausible) so that they have an idea how much activity is going on in the building they are attacking. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:49, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| X Ray vision. No. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:49, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Technically, but it is logical. You don't think people would hear someone banging on the walls/doors? And there IS precedent in the game.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:15, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::If survivors can hear people smashing cades from the outside then I'll be wanting groans to be heard inside buildings. You can't hear groans inside buildings, therefore no barricading noises. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:34, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::That was a novelty addition, don't forget. I think this suggestion may be supported more if it were limited soley to humans/zombies tearing down barricades from the '''inside'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:06, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| Perhaps the spam level could be reduced by making it so that only noticable drops in barricade levels (VSB to QSB2+ for example) can be heard? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 09:18, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| None of this addresses the problems with this type of suggestion. The main effect of this is to clearly flag something which is noticable to an active survivor anyway. Basically if it happened more than 5 minutes ago it is old news and a bit pointless to most players, if you are on-line and don't notice the cades dropping you deserve to die anyway and spoon feeding you the vital news that something is trying to get in will just make it that little bit harder for a zombie to get in. Not only this but if you are in a well defended stronghouse which zeds keep trying to get into you would be able to spot when they are most active and log in accordingly... what are you going to do to counter-balance that potentially zombie raping advantage? It may make sense but it would provide a very one-sided advantage, in any event seeing shadows inside lit buildings makes sense, smelling large crowds inside cramped insanitary buildings and hearing the screams of the dying are also realistic but potentially unbalancing features that are not in game... where do we stop? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:50, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| I'm gonna sing the DOOM song, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20070901_View_Barricade_Level_Increase DOOM]-[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20070621_Station_change/barricade_damage_warnings DOOM]-[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20070704_Barricade_Alerts DOOM]-[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20080214_Indicate_When_Barricades_Are_At_Max DOOM]... --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 01:38, 23 October 2008 (BST) | |
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| Dupe. Many times over.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 23:11, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| ===Expanding the search button=== | | ===Drone=== |
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| |suggest_time=[[User:KarandaDemon|KarandaDemon]] 20:08, 20 October 2008 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
| |suggest_type=Slight improvement to existing game function.
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| |suggest_scope=All players and classes.
| | |'''Type:''' Survivor Item |
| |suggest_description=I suggest that a new expansion for the 'Search the area' button be added. This will, at the cost of 5AP or more (I haven't decided yet, as I think nothing definite should be established yet) allow the player to 'Search Thoroughly' in a building and will add a 10-20% chance (added to the exisiting percentage chance of finding something while searching) that the player will find an item.
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| <b>NOTE:</b> Actual number changes aren't definite, so any suggestions are welcome in discussion. | | |- |
| |discussion=|}} | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
| ====Discussion (Expanding the search button)==== | | |} |
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| {{SNRV|5}}
| | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Nice idea, but the numbers will need tweaked a little for sure. I'm not one of the search odds crunchers but it does seem a bit high to me. They can give you a bit more help than I can. I'm more of a mechanics and hit rates guy. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:10, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| Hmm, well, I haven't given definite numbers, because I ain't no cruncher either. I should outline that in the description as up for discussion. Just to be clear. :) --[[User:KarandaDemon|KarandaDemon]] 20:19, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| Let see. Um. 10% chance of finding something (Random current rate) compared to 30% at 5 times the cost? 0.9 chance of finding nothing 5 times is about 0.59 (O.9 to the power of 5.) So the chance of finding something is 41% as opposed to 1x30% chance of finding something through this proposal. I think. Someone want to check that? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:33, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Expected return for 5 AP spent searching for a 10% item, with no other items checked in your preferences is (1 x 0.9^5 x 0.1^0 x 0) + (5 x 0.9^4 x 0.1^1 x 1) + (10 x 0.9^3 x 0.1^2 x 2) + (10 x 0.9^2 x 0.1^3 x 3) + (5 x 0.9^1 x 0.1^4 x 4) + (1 x 0.9^0 x 0.1^5 x 5) = .50 items. Or the same as .1 (items/AP) x 5AP. No special voodoo needed. Expected return for 5 AP spent searching thoroughly for a 30% item is (1 x 0.7^1 x 0.3^0 x 0) + (1 x 0.7^0 x 0.3^1 x 1) = .30 items. Or the same as .3 (items/5AP) x 5AP. Again, no special voodoo needed. Under this suggestion for 10% items, searching thoroughly 10 times versus spending 50 AP searching would yield (on average) two fewer items. And that discrepancy will only grow as the search likelihood increases. The break-even point, incidentally, is where A = (A + B) / C. Under the above numbers (B = .2, C = 5) we can solve for A as .05. That means items found with search rates of less than 5% will be found more often when you search thoroughly. Again, that is just for the given numbers. --{{User:Galaxy125/Sig}}21:02, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::Man. Thats cool! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:03, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::So AP-wise it would be a better idea just to search normally? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:07, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::::Yeah, obviously, apart from hyper rare below 5% find items. Pay attention cheese! There may be a test. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::::I'm not stupid. =p I did pass Higher maths. I'm just too lazy to read. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:11, 20 October 2008 (BST) | |
| :::::See what happens when you eat your Wheaties? Of course, my above numbers assume that you're searching for consumables. FAKs, etc. Things where you're dedicating 5 AP to the search rather than stopping once you find one. --{{User:Galaxy125/Sig}}21:13, 20 October 2008 (BST) | |
| ::::::Yep. After all. How many flak jackets do you need? And why do i have more than an average number of legs. I may have andered off the point somewhat. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:15, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| Quick vote? I think I also forgot to mention that the 'Search thoroughly' idea would exist alongside the existing Search function, if it were ever to come into effect.--[[User:KarandaDemon|KarandaDemon]] 22:53, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Quick vote? Are you reading this? With what Galaxy says is this is a silly suggestion. Basically any further skills or changes in how searching happens need to be thought about a while to make things work. This will not help or work, and is not worth the time it would take to code it. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:23, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::According to your logic, the 20AP syringe manufacture is a bad idea, yet Kevan put it into the game? I believe this is an alright idea. With the perfect numbers, it could be accepted. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:10, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::No, those are two totally different things. Adding a fixed cost to manufacture something against the risk of getting the same item cheaper but with no guarantees is different then creating another search button that searches at a different rate, which is not actually any higher, but costs more. Its worthless, and sucks ap with no gain. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 20:46, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::::Sorry, you are right. But even still, people vote on the suggestion, not the amount of time it takes to code. It's Kevan's job to worry about that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:22, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::::The comment about the coding was not about whether i would vote kill or keep, but that it was such a worthless thing that it wouldn't be worth coding it even if it was voted keep. AKA not worth the time, because it creates no difference. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 08:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Manufacture used to be ''better'' than the search rate. Then the search rate got tons of small boosts and a few notably massive ones.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:25, 25 October 2008 (BST)
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| | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| | Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies? |
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| |suggest_time=[[User:Serpentine Green|Serpentine Green]] 16:36, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| I hope this won't get shot down just because it involves changing the crucial 50 AP max per day but remember that Kevan states "There may eventually be character skills which modify the maximum AP and its recharge rate, but the basic starting-character settings will remain the same".
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| Before anyone says DUPE I am aware that something similar has been discussed [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20070606_Veteran_AP_Reward/Incentive before]. What I'm proposing, however, is by no means a way of permanently upping your daily AP quota. This will merely be a means of cashing in unwanted XP for AP at a ratio of 20 to 1.
| | A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away. |
| Here goes: '''Once per day, you may exchange 200 XP for 10 AP'''.
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| Veteran players will have some reward for cashing in their surplus XP. 5000 XP will get whittled down fairly quickly if a player chooses to cash in 200 per day. Soon we'll all have the same amount of XP.
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| Players can opt for believable character specialisation. While previously a military character, for example, will max out their military skills and then proceed onto the all the others (thereby creating a grunt that knows surgery and advanced laboratory operation) with this game mechanic in place a character may choose to expend XP on additional AP rather than skills that they do not want or are playing against type.
| | Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point? |
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| In game terms, this new system can be described as "Concentration" to perform the skills you have learnt with greater efficiency. As you become more experienced (acquire more XP) you become more efficient at performing actions (more AP).
| | A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies. |
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| I suggest the option only becomes available after reaching level 10 when you will have a defined character. The option to expend XP on AP would be available as a "Concentrate" button on the "Buy Skills" page.
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| | Please give your thoughts. |
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| ====Discussion (XP for AP)==== | | ====Discussion (Backpack)==== |
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| --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| Pretty much any suggestion that involves AP for XP training gets shot down-as it gives older players a huge advantage over newbies (when they choose to "cash in" their XP)[[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 21:29, 20 October 2008 (BST)
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| :I certainly agree that for a period of time, this mechanic is going to heavily benefit those players that have racked up a substantial amount of XP. However, within a few months everyone will have used up their bonus AP from their massive XP surplus and we will '''all''' be at the same level of XP, '''all''' attaining our bonus AP at a similar rate. This mechanic fixes the infinite XP problem as no one will want to hold onto it any more. If we still want a ranking system, we can have the character level up each time they use the function. That means the highest ranked XP player will become the highest levelled player. --[[User:Serpentine Green|Serpentine Green]] 11:56, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| One of my 3 characters could trade in all 20,000 XP and gain nearly 2 weeks AP in one go.... how exactly is that fair?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:07, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Actually, it says 200 XP once per day.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:08, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::Oops, my bad... still not a good mechanic given how many players have 10,000+ XP banked. Remember too that those extra AP could potentially be turned into extra XP thus fueling even more bonus AP!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:57, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::A person who has acquired 10,000 XP will have 50 days of +10AP per day. If you use your '''entire''' 500 bonus AP to gain more XP by, for a survivor example, attacking Zeds with the fireaxe at 40% (i.e. 1.2 XP per AP) you will gain 600XP from that extra 10 per day. This can converted into just 3 extra days of 10 AP so we see '''heavily diminishing returns'''.--[[User:Serpentine Green|Serpentine Green]] 11:56, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| I don't see a problem with giving perks to higher level players, to an extent. Why not? Because it would hurt new players? Maybe. The thing here though is maybe it should include a penalty of some kind.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:08, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :I agree. Veteran players deserve something other than recognition for their dedication. I’d like to point out that I have only been playing Urban Dead for a few weeks and my highest level character is at level 9. As a newbie, I do not consider this game play mechanic unfair any more than higher level characters being able to inflict more damage, have more HP, a greater hit percentage etc, etc.--[[User:Serpentine Green|Serpentine Green]] 11:56, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::I disagree. I think veterans should only get recognition. And I'd like to point out that I have 5 maxed out character with over 15k XP banked total. [[User:Midianian/Archives/Rants/No Uses for Excess XP|No Uses for Excess XP]], please. Though I have to thank you for finally getting me to write that thing <tt>:)</tt>. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 19:22, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::Ok, recognition. How? If "game affecting" XP expenditure is bad, why not other kinds?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:23, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::::Midianian, your article is thought provoking and had me considering this suggestion further. This game mechanic does not lead you to choose XP gain over tactics. Where a player has acquired all the skills they want, the only way to spend XP is now to gain AP. If they use the tactically pointless hurt-heal method of XP gain, garnering 20XP would require a minimum 10AP (using fire-axe, searching and using FAKS- I’ve not worked this out exactly) and reward you with 1AP. Its simple economics- there’s no point in using AP to acquire XP to gain back AP because the returns are so small. AP would be much better spent used tactically with the extra AP an occasional bonus. Bragging rights are preserved by Levelling Up each time the function is used. See below a consideration for how to deal with the 50,000+ players.--[[User:Serpentine Green|Serpentine Green]] 08:39, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| :::::Thanks for reading it. There actually is a point to using AP now to gain a smaller amount of AP that can be used later. Most of the players (well, survivors at least) play rather stationary, ie. they pick a suburb and stay there, come rain or sunshine. It's the sunshine part that causes the problems with this. Since there are no enemies around, there's no "smart" thing to use your AP on, so why not put it in store even if it is at a lossy ratio? It's still better than using the AP on "worthless" stuff like [[RP]]. That's partly what items are about. You use AP now to stock up, so that later on when you need the items, you won't have to. However, there's a limit to how much you can carry, but there isn't a limit to how much XP you can gather "for a rainy day".
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| :::::I didn't mean they should be able to spend XP to get recognition. [[Malton_XP_Leaderboard|This]] is recognition enough (in my opinion) for people with lots of XP. If they want more recognition, they should ''do'' something worthy of recognition.
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| :::::Don't get me wrong, this isn't nearly as bad as some of the other suggestions of this type, but I just think XP shouldn't be usable for something like this. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 14:43, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| Hmmm... I think this might possibly work. But someone with 20,000xp would have 100 days of +10 aps. Still a little bit unfair. What if the skill needed to transfer xp to ap cost half your current xp? (Even if you had 2 xp and bought it, it wouldn't matter since you still need to spend 200xp to get the benefits of the skill) --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 07:07, 21 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Ok let’s try this. The function would require 200 XP or 10% of your total XP – whichever is the greater. The following is a list of starting XP with corresponding days of +10AP: '''(50,000XP: 40 days); (20,000XP: 31 days); (10,000XP: 25 days); (2000XP: 10 days)'''. This means in 40 days, we’d all have the same XP. If we implement the level up system everytime the function is used, the higher XP players will be higher levels but the gap will have closed considerably.--[[User:Serpentine Green|Serpentine Green]] 08:39, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| ::Thatcould work too, but it's not quite what I had in mind; what I was trying to say was, to even be able to press that "convert 200xp to 10ap" button, you would have to buy a skill beforehand, and this skill would not cost a set amount of xp but a percentage of your current xp.
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| ::Those with tons of xp would benefit greatly from this xp to ap conversion ability but would lose much xp to buy the required skill for it, and those that pay nearly no xp to buy the skill, still won't benefit from having bought the skill as you need to spend excess xp to get extra aps. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 00:50, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| No. Once people reach level 41 or 43 or wherever they choose to stop they should be no longer motivated by xp. this encourages trenchcoatery, people can play however they like but don't expect me to endorse a suggestion that encourages such a style of play.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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| :Ouch, you make a very strong case... --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 00:50, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| :It is bad why?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:55, 23 October 2008 (BST)
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| ===Useless use for the Crucifix===
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| [[Suggestion:20081016 Useless Use for the Crucifix|Suggestion]] is up for voting. Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20081016 Useless Use for the Crucifix|here.]] [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 11:19, 17 October 2008 (BST)
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| ''Note: This was [[User:William Told|William Told's]] suggestion. He forgot update this section and move the talk across, so I did it for him.''
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| ===New Newspaper Article-Length of Pipe===
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| [[Suggestion:20081023 New Newspaper Article-Length of Pipe]] is up for voting. Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20081016 Useless Use for the Crucifix|here.]]--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ===Save Monroeville===
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| [[Suggestion:20081017 Save Monroeville|Suggestion]] is up for voting. Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20081017 Save Monroeville|here.]] [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 11:31, 17 October 2008 (BST)
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| ''As above, this was [[User:Super Nweb|Super Nweb's]] suggestion. He forgot to move the discussion across.''
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