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| *''Be sure to check [[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]] and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots | Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.'' There you can read about many idea's that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''', or a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/24th-Apr-2007#Rooftops.2C_Sniper_Rifle.2C_and_Sniper_Ammo|Sniper Rifles]]'''. There users can also get a handle of what an appropriate suggestion looks like.
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| *Users should be aware that this is a talk page, where other users are free to use their own point of view, and are not required to be neutral. While voting is based off of the merit of the suggestion, opinions are freely allowed here.
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| | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
| ===Zombie Revive Avoidance and Brain Rot Buff===
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| {{suggestionNew | | |'''Type:''' Map change |
| |suggest_time={{User:Swiers/Sig}} 20:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | | |- |
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| |suggest_scope=zombies and [[revivification]]
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| |suggest_description=Zombies can "lurch" in front of people building barricades, and can "wander away in the dark" when being revived, but still can't generally choose to walk away from a needle wielding reviver. I propose that there should be a toggle setting in your profile which would allow you to try to avoid being revived. Attempts to revive "resisting" zombies would have a 75% chance of failing, with a cost of 1 AP and no lost needle, as when failing to revive a zombie in the dark. Such an attempt (regardless of results) would bump the zombie to the bottom of the "revive stack". Scanning a "resisting" zombie would be no more difficult, but would give an appropriate flavor text along with the current info to indicate that revification would be difficult.<br>
| | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
| Now, people will say this nerfs brain rot. But it doesn't - brain rot is much better because it blocks scans, AND breaks needles. However, I suggest that brain rot also be buffed so that when somebody DOES successfully scan you, all they get is a message saying the target has brain rot and the option to attempt a revive - they do NOT get a link to your profile! Viva zombie anonymity! Barhah!
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| | ====Discussion (Shrink the map)==== |
| ====Discussion (Zombie Revive Avoidance and Brain Rot Buff)====
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| I think this falls along the lines of more of an unneeded auto-defense, it's not gonna cost that much ap to get killed and turn into a zombie again and also if a zombie doesn't want to be revived it would probably be a good idea to get away from an NT or just put something up in their profile that says don't revive or something along those lines. --[[User:Diablor|Diablor]] 21:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :It's not an auto defence in the same way shotgun hit percentages against a sleeping target are not an 'auto defence' you retarded trenchie futher mucker. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I do like the second one, but then the profile of a zombie with brain rot would never be seen unless someone looked it up on the database. Maybe make it an option when buying rot whether to have your profile shown during scans? Also, I think the "resisting" option should be bought as a skill, instead of just getting that ability for nothing. Just my two cents. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :You could still see a rotter's profile if it attacked you, or if it killed somebody else, or if it broke a generator, or ruined the building you were in (you'd need to be a zombie for that), or if it spoke / performed a gesture. In fact, rotters who want revives generally talk quite a lot, specifically so that people CAN see their profile. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 21:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I don't see the point. Brain Rot already does this, essentially, does it not?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Only if survivors get a 75% of falling on any syringes they are carrying upon death and injecting themselves. No I don't think survivors should have that, nor do I think zombies need further ways of avoiding revivification. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 22:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :That's odd.. it just occurred to me that zombie accuracy against cades is 25%... Anyhow, still not the same. As for your brainrot buff. Doesn't that take away the whole reward for DNA extracting in the first place? I have a character who doesn't DNA extract to revive, he extracts because I am looking for rotters to add to my contact list. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 22:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |
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| Doesn't go far enough. As I've been saying for years, if survivors insist on using syringes as weapons, they should be forced to hit with similar percentages to any other weapon. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Nice idea, but unworkable... unless you assume every zombie is resisting revivification... which is logical... but... Actually, you can think of the 10 AP cost is an equivalent to attacking. I mean, if you make reviving an attack, then does it now cost only 1 AP like every other attack?
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| :In anyway event, back to the suggestion... It duplicates Brain Rot. If you wanna avoid revives, get Rot. Right? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::It's not an attack in anyway. The current cost reflects the need for precision when making the injection, unless entered into the brain stem through the back of the neck the revivification drug cannot combat the undead state before the infection renders it inert, the very reason the revivification drug cannot be administered in aerosol form from helicopters.
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| ::If it was an attack then the cost would go down as character increased in proficiency, i.e. gain higher skills in the Necrotech tree. My idea no more assumes that zombies are avoiding revivification than the hit and heal tactic does on consensual survivors. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_time=--[[User:Diablor|Diablor]] 20:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
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| |suggest_scope=Syringes | | |'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate |
| |suggest_description=With the new updates for drug stores hospitals have become very valuable. So valuable that survivors are practically screwed if they don't have a FAK when the hospital is overrun. Well what I propose is to let a syringe target someone who's infected and cure them/yourself with it.
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| So say I get infected and the hospital is down and I don't have any FAK's, but the local NT is up so I run over there and spend about 6 ap looking for a syringe and find one and inject myself with it for 1 ap and over the course of this I've still probably loss about 10 hp at the least so that zombie that went a tried to infect everybody didn't get shafted.
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| | | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
| Oh and to clarify, yes the syringe is used up in the process of injecting it on a live person.
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| And no this doesn't require any NT skills less people think it's too overpowered (Which imo would be bs but w/e)
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| The infections caused by zombie bites are simple bacterial infections- living bacteria in living tissue. Why would a revivification syringe (which revives the DEAD) kill living bacteria- and if it does, why would it not likewise kill living human tissue? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 20:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :I don't know I just figured that infected meant infected with a strain of the virus, not a simple bacterial strain. Where are you getting all this from anyways? --[[User:Diablor|Diablor]] 21:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |
| ::I always assumed it from that fact that a FAK can cure an infection. If the infection were viral (or otherwise related to the zombie plauge's cause) then basic first aid supplies from a drug store would seem unlikely to provide a cure. Then again, some viruses are easy to kill with, say, soap, and some bacteria are resistant to powerful antibiotics, so.... meh, I guess neither interpretation really makes sense, nor is such "realism" important as simple game playability. Still, I'd rather not see building functions blurred so much; hospitals only recently became a really significant resource. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 21:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Yeah, it just doesn't seem realistic. Unlike Swieres, I though that it was a viral infection, and the FAKs just had antivirals in them, or at least something to suppress the symptoms. In game at least, it doesn't appear to be a strain of the zombie virus (it kills you, doesn't instantly turn you into a zed,) so it could be ether a simple virus, or a bacteria... Ether way, it just doesn't seem right that a NT syringe could cure it. Finally, from a gameplay POV, NecroTechs are important enough as they are, and hospitals only recently became very important, so meh. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| The human body is easily suspectible to poisons injected into it. I would imagine a syringe would kill you right out. What might make more since would be to justmake FAK more easily acquired at other locations.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| If Infections are simple bacterial infections, then why do you need a skill to infect? And why is it under Digestion, and not under Bite Attacks somewhere? No, I've always thought of Infection as having something to do with the zombie "disease". Therefore, the idea of syringes "curing" infection isn't totally out to lunch imo: it makes sense that the needles kill or make dormant the zombification agent to work... I actually this is almost a cool idea. Almost. However, even if you restricted it -- like making it cost the 10 AP to use to cure infection -- my problem is that I don't like crossing over the items in this way. Just make sure you have lots of FAKs -- and remember that Hospitals are now almost as important as NTs. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Do you really think you're going to get an infection nerf through voting? Get smart and carry a FAK at all times dumb ass. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :This isn't nerfing infection my friend, it's giving survivors the choice between giving life or saving theirs. There is no nerf to infection, zombies main targets are NT's so you do the math--[[User:Diablor|Diablor]] 02:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::You're not my friend, I have smarter friends. You are reducing the effectiveness of Infection, you ''are'' nerfing it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::The ONLY way to cure infection, currently, is by using a FAK on the victim. If syringes also work it is EASIER to cure, therefore less threatening and therefore a nerf.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::But the only way to cure zombification is with a syringe... if you give syringes a second use and don't increase their find rates you are potentially lowering the number of revives. That too is a Nerf and one that is a lot more damaging than the nerf to infection. Infection is weak because it so infrequently kills, however if the victim uses a syringe to cure then from the zombies point of view the infection was very successful. From a perverse point of view this could actually be regarded as a Buff rather than a nerf to infection!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::It's rather hard to tell if this is indeed a buff or a nerf. Sure, the needle cures the infection, but it doesn't treat the wounds, nor is it used to revive a zombie. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 09:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::A zombies ultimate purpose is to kill survivors and make their allies use syringes to bring them back. Infection is supposed to help zombies do this but in probably 80% of cases it does next to nothing... Even if this leads to just 1 of those 80% using a syringe it is massively more effective than normal making this a definite buff for infection with a very minor (and expensive) buff for survivors options. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| As most players are probably aware once you reach level 43 (unless your rot free) you become exactly the same as everyone else... Varying XP costs encourage diversity for lower level characters but that soon becomes redundant once players begin accumulating XP with more ease. A level limit would help encourage higher level characters to focus their skills and be suited to particular roles. The level limit should not be high enough to penalise players who prefer different tactics or dual nature so a limit of 10% of the maximum possible skills should be acceptable. So I'm suggesting a maximum level based on the formula.
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| :Maximum Level = Skill Count - (Skill Count x 0.1) | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
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| In order to prevent current players gaining an unfair advantage/losing skills I'd suggest the current limit be capped at lvl45 and this not be brought into effect until the Skill Count = 50. I am aware that this is not likely to happen for a while but I am putting this up for discussion now as opposed to in the future when the level cap would need to be higher.
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| | | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| No. Don't mess with other people's XP or choices. They worked for them. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 21:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :I kind of like that any player can do anything. I just wish there was more to do! --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F'ing Dog]] 21:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |
| ::'Leveling up' is not the point of this game. Role play. That will give you an infinite amount to do. Stop hiding in the malls and try to run a Rotter Revive Clinic. Have a zombie who goes into the middle of green suburbs and destroy buildings on your own. Repair ruined buildings. There are plenty of challenges beyond leveling. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 08:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| This is irrelevant and redundant as there already IS a level limit. Once you acquire all the skills (that you want) in the game, you have reached the limit. What you REALLY seem to be arguing is that Kevan shouldn't include more than 50 skills total. Or your suggesting there be single choice skills or something. I cna't tell becuase this suggestion is stupid.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::*When 50 skills are available the maximum amount you can have is 45.
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| :What this should mean is that when you have maxed out there will still be some variance amongst the top level players. Granted 5 out of 50 skills isn't too much of a difference when you consider that for quite a few players the ROT tree would make up some of those skills and there will be a core set (free run/barricade/lurching gate), but it would still promote a little variance. This has nothing to do with limiting the skills available in game, only the ones your character can make use of. The level cap till 50 was suggested to prevent problems if it was implemented now. As the game stands now imagine you were limited to 39 skills instead of 43, everyone would be almost identical but with slight variations making them better suited for certain tasks. At least I hope... --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 12:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::That DOES clarify things, thanks. The problem is is your limiting what skills that can be included and you don't take into account zombie skills. You also can't limit it that way. How would it work anyway? The only way it would work is if the next 7 skills are all included SIMULTANEOUSLY. Othwerwise you would not be able to dictate the limit. Once we hit 50 skills, HOW would you enforce the limit if everyon has 49 and the limit doesn't kick in until 50? To use your example of current mechanics, if I were limited to 39 skills instead of the full 43, players would be LOSING skills to meet the limitation and nobody would do that. I DO like the idea of diversity, but not THIS way. Not where players have to lose skills they aleady have.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 20:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |
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| What might work better is to make it cost more to buy more skills. Say the first 10 are normal cost, then the next 5 cost double, the next five x4, the next five x8, the next five x16 (thats up to level 30 there) and so on. {{unsigned|Swiers|17:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)}}
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| '''Hell no'''. This wouldn't change ''anything'' for the characters who only play one side, but would be a severe blow to dual nature characters. Also, the "''encourage higher level characters to focus their skills and be suited to particular roles''" thing is already done quite well by the limited inventory space. If you want to encourage it further, suggest a smaller inventory. The current limit is ridiculously high anyway. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] <small><sup><span style="background-color:black;color:yellow">'''Big Brother Diary Room: [518,13]'''</span></sup></small> 18:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Go find another way to sneak through a zombie nerf. You can have this when we all get un-buy skill. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| He also doesn't say what happens to the people who already have said skills. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_time={{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 09:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| |suggest_description=I think it's pretty safe to say that Monroeville is dead. Or, more accurately, undead. Thus, I propose the following 'endgame' scenario. | | |- |
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| | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| Marines win if the only characters that are still alive are of the class Marine. Zombies win if all the characters still alive are of the class Zombie.
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| In either case, once one of the two Monroeville Endgame outcomes is reached, the city is deemed officially over. All characters within will be deleted and we will finally be done with it.
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| The endgame already happened and zombies won. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] <small><sup><span style="background-color:black;color:yellow">'''Big Brother Diary Room: [511,12]'''</span></sup></small> 11:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Meh. I guess we need to end Monroeville someday... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :What about those survivors still alive?--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::That's the only real problem with ending it now, but I can't really see a compromise. As Kevan said somewhere (I can't find the quote,) ether NecroTech sets up in Monroeville, or we simply transfer all characters to Malton. Personally, I don't like ether (NT-we don't want to split the player base too much, and people would expect the same for Borehamwood+future cities, and Malton, don't want to have a forced ending.) But that's just me. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::How many horror movies have you seen where the military gets called in to ''save'' people from zombies? None. They either kill everyone to ensure the virus doesn't escape, or they are there from the initial outbreak. Consider that a combined Survivor/PKer victory. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 09:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::That could create an interesting alliance between zombies and the "other" survivors. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| What I think would make a good end game would be a "scenario" style thing. All remaining survivors have to make it to a a given point within a given period of time to "escape" the city. If the the survivors can get to the location(s) and stay there for X amount of time, ah helicopter will rescue them. The military will send a radio transmission to anyone listening to the frequenc(ies) telling them the coordinates of up to 4 locations in the city and a period of time of, say 3 days, to start say 2 weeks from the first broadcast. Any survivors that can make it to one of those locations AND survive for, say 24 hours at the location will be "rescued". Also, if the player fires a flare from a clear location (ie. not one of the 4 coded locations, but clear, like a street, park or other space for a helicopter to land) there is, say, a 30% chance of rescue. Somthing like that.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :THAT is a cool use for these old cities. Totally! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::No, it's not. Unlike Malton, [[Walk The Earth|career zombies]] in these new cities (zombies who have made the game interesting by starting as the undead) don't have access to radios and so it's a fucking cake walk to a 'survivor victory' that we, who (in the case of Monroeville) sacrificed our chances of winning the shiny prizes to make the game interesting, will never hear the end of that we 'lost'. Things like this need to be coded in from the start with hints given in game and in the sanctioned background in order to work. All three sides need a chance of 'victory'. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Its just a very basic idea. Of course there has to be a way for zombies to acquire the information. That's a given. That's also why it was a comment to a suggestion and not a suggestin itself since it needs to be thought out more. And also, what is "all THREE sides"?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::The basic idea is narrow-minded, the same that didn't allow the zombies to be in with a chance of winning prizes in Monroeville, even though our presence and actions allowed others to win shiny prizes. I'm quite sure what idiots would consider our 'whining' after Monroeville caused Kevan to allow us to enter the competition in Borehamwood. The three sides of the game are survivor, zombie and PKer, three distinct play styles allowed by the game and Kevan. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::PKing isn't a side its a lifestyle choice! You might as well say that Rotters form a fourth side, everyone can do it but most choose not to!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::"Pking is a third side" is very much up for debate. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_description=Ok, I know vehicles have been suggested before and it's generally a bad/ridiculous idea but here I've tried to write a working idea for helicopters in game. Let me know what you think please. This suggestion has a few elements so I'll try to explain it as simple as possible.
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| Helicopters would allow single survivors to travel between malls and forts, being the only places with large enough flat roofs or a helipad to land on. There would be a limited number of helicopters and obviously you could only use one if one is present. In mall squares or in the fort armory when a helicopter is present the room description would say "A helicopter is upstairs on the roof" or "X helicopters are on the roof" if there is more than one.
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| If a helicopter is present survivors that purchase a "Piloting" skill would have a dropdown display. It would list every mall and both forts. If they have a fuel can they can fly to the location of their choice. Flying moves them, and the helicopter, to that location and deducts the fuel can from their inventory and lowers their AP by 15.
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| I think a good number of helicopters would be 10 throughout the city, starting with 5 at each fort. Over time these would spread out and transfer between the 20 malls and 2 forts however survivors use them.
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| Nothing prevents someone else from taking a helicopter you've used or plan to use, so it's impossible to reserve your ride. Such is the apocalypse. Helicopters are a communal resource and easily stolen, for good or ill.
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| Sorry, but no. Leave the helicopters to the military. And come to think of it, all choppers would be shot down instantly by the military who don't want the virus to escape the city. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 19:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :That's why there wouldn't be an option to fly outside of the city (besides there not being an outside of the city). Going past the border would result in getting shot down. But within the city the helicopters operate without military interference.--[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F'ing Dog]] 21:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::But logic wise how would that really stop you, or them? You have a helicopter, youre in a desperate situation, how many people do you think would take there chances?--[[User:G-Man|G-Man]] 11:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Not a bad idea, but it falls into the "No Free Lunch" trap. Although these would be rare, in most cases, lowering your AP to 15 would be much better then a 15 day trip. At best, this could be an interesting scouting tool. At worst, it could make walking for long distances obsolete. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :That system has the problem of giving different travel costs. For example someone with 50AP would spend 35AP for a trip while someone with 40 would spend 25.
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| :I don't think it's really free per se. It requires 15AP, plus a fuel can which takes a handful of AP to find.
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| :As for making walking obsolete, the problem of taking the helicopter prevents that from happening. It doesn't allow the entire population of one building to travel the map because the copters have to be brought back. So maybe one person manages to escape the falling mall, or reinforce the building under siege, but that strands everyone else. A few individuals might be able to move quicker for personal reasons, but it wouldn't change a suburb's population by more than +-10. Hardly significant in the long run. Also, the number of working helicopters at any given point is probably going to be less than 10. A lot of them will be trapped on ruined buildings. Many flown there deliberately by death cultists.
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| :Perhaps though travel costs should be higher, to discourage casual hops. 20AP maybe? What do you think?--[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F'ing Dog]] 22:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| AP cost is irrelevant. It could cost 100 AP and this suggestion still wouldn't work. Why? Because its teleportation. Remember, zombies are players too. If you can instantaneously travel across the city (essentially) without having to deal with zombies at all, that's overpowered. Yes, it can be argued that the same can happen but quick clicking through squares or by free running, but even there zombies still have the chance to get in an attack or can follow.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Pesatyel brought up a good point-this is insanely pro-survivor. The author tries to fix that by making it "rare," but that doesn't help a thing. Just means that the survivors that can use then would have an advantage. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| While free lunches taste best, this will be dead in the water. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 07:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Any air traffic from inside Malton would be shot down instantly before it had the chance of getting anywhere near the border. Remember, the people in the quarantine zone are to all effects and purposes ''invincible'', they cannot be permanently killed. If they waited until some moron tried to fly over the wall to shoot it down all they'd get is a mini horde emerging from the wreckage, all it takes is for one of those to have infectious bite for the quarantine to be broken. The military wouldn't even wait for such a vehicle to take off, it'd be pre-emptively hit when noticed by the satellites or flyovers. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Even if the military didn't shoot them down immediately after taking off, anyone stupid enough to try and fly a helicopter without any training would either be unable to get it off the ground, or crash the thing in less than a minute. Does [[wikipedia:Helicopter_flight_controls|this]] look like something you could learn on your own? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 14:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :I'm not defending the suggestion (I already said my piece). I'm merely pointing out that the suggestion DOES list a new skill (Piloting). And if I can learn how to perform SURGERY on my own or how to mix chemicals in the right combination to create revival syringe, I can learn how to fly a helicopter.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Hey, the people come back to life so you've got an infinite supply of patients to practice on <tt>:D</tt>! Most of the syringes are found, and manufacture ''could'' be fairly automated (just got to know which buttons to push), while (as the suggestion says) there'd only be a limited amount of helicopters you can crash while trying to learn before you run out <tt>:)</tt>. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 23:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Thanks for all the feedback. I'm definitely not submitting the suggestion as is. What are your thoughts on these possible changes:
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| 1) Only allowing helicopters to fly between the forts. The flavor text can say that if they stray from the path between forts they'll be shot down. So rather than something that connects malls it could be something that only makes the forts more relevant to each other.
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| |suggest_description=I am suggesting the introduction of rope as a survivor item. It would apply to survivors.
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| The length of rope will allow players to exit buildings they are barricaded into and cannot leave it would also allow players to scale down buildings without the risk of injury from the Jump from a Window option. The locations I am suggesting are fire deptartments, factories and warehouse. I am not experianced enough with search rates so I leave that to the proffesionals to decide the right search rates. The AP cost would be 2AP to exit the building. This includes scaleing down from lower floors.
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| Transplanted from the main page. Someone else can fix the formatting. Also, it's a dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| What Iscarot said. Has anyone informed the author that his suggestion is now here (if not, I just did it anyway.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Yeah, Iscarot informed him. Not much else can be said about this. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Fixed formatting as best I could. Also, bad idea that solves a non-existant problem. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 03:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :On second reading, yeah this makes no sense. Why not just exit the building? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 04:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::I don't think he has noticed that you can click the area next to your current location and just move there regardless of cade level! Probably used to Nexuswar or similar... --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Yeah he means when you are in a EHB building and you cant just leave, you need to move to a adjacent square so its a nice idea but the cost of 2 AP would be the same as if you clicked on to the adacent square and then moved back making it a pointless item/skill, but if it was 1 AP then maybe... --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー｀)ﾉ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 12:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_description=I'm fairly new to Urban dead, so researched on what type of things you could do, thats when I noticed their is only 2 actual firearms. Yes, anything beside a shotgun or pistol is unusual but, your bound to find something unusual in this place.
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| I'm just suggesting 2 firearms to put into the game, maybe a SMG, Damage
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| Look [[Frequently_Suggested#The_List|here]], scroll down til you see SMG and Assualt rifle. Also go up to the military weapon section, that's also applicable.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| [[Frequently_Suggested#Military_Weaponry|This is a quicker link]] and also sign your posts. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :The military weaponry bit doesn't mention SMGs--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::SMG's have passed into PR however. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ''And personally I believe that these weapons would make a great addition to the game.'' How does having a wider range of guns make the game any better? Either it makes survivors more able to kill (more guns = easier to find) or less able to kill / more frustrated (more types of guns = less likely to find the ammo you currently need) - but neither makes the better. And in fact, even the former doesn't really help survivors because revive / healing rates, not zombie killing power, are what enable survivors to do well. It would really just encourage [[trenchcoat]]s and PKers. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 16:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :I've been playing with a rifle that uses shotgun ammo as a compromise, but Swiers' arguments really kill any new gun. Sorry. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| According to the page history, the user [[User:Monxer|Monxer]] made this suggestion.
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| Actually, I've been considering suggesting a new starting class that starts with an Assault Rifle and an extra clip. However, I was thinking that neither the Assault Rifle, nor the ammo clips for it should be findable in Malton. That would balance the suggestion somewhat as this makes the weapon have a limited life span. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 19:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Well some rifles make fine melee weapons ;) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::[[Flares]] are also firearms. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::That's an interesting idea, Blake, but then what's the point for Kevan coding for a new weapon (which I think would be a pain in the ass,) just so newbies can use it until they run out of ammo? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Well, level 1 players have very few ways to gain XP, given their accuracy ratings and such; a high-power weapon they can't restock might be just the thing to get them a level or two. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::That's a good point, but it's no secret that Kevin doesn't like coding, and to stop people spawning heaps of lv1 accounts as zergs during an attack (since they have a new, powerful weapon.) If you want to continue this discussion, please make a new header. We are in danger of going off topic :). {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| You have to think simplistically. The pistol is medium damage medium capacity, the shotgun is high damage, low capacity. All that really leaves is low damage high capacity. But that is already covered by the SMG suggestions.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Low damage high capacity is covered by the fire axe and knife, which have INFINITE capacity. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 03:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Surely that leaves room for low damage, high capacity, high accuracy? I don't know, just a thought since we seem not to be factoring in the accuracy. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 03:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::The accuracies are much the same, 40% for an axe, 65% of the guns but less when you consider the ap spent searching for ammo.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Melee is a different category. I was talking about guns.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Other then flavor text, there is no real distinction between melee and firearms. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::It has to do with ammunition. A fire axe has 6% encumberance and can be used for every attack, 1 AP per attack. A shotgun also has 6% encumberance... but shells also weigh 2% individually. So a guy with an axe can attack 50 times, successful or not, for only 6% enucumbrance. A guy with a shotgun could attack 34 times but it would take '''70% encumbrance''' to do that (a guy with a pistol 42 times for 20% encumbrance). Not to mention finding ammo.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 20:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_description=After years of pestering by this suggestions process, Kevan finally gave career zombies an equivalent to [[Body Building]] and [[Flak Jacket|Flak Jackets]] in the form of [[Flesh Rot]]. This legitimises career zombie (i.e. a zombie that never seeks or needs to be revivified) play. This suggestion is the completion of the career zombie skill set.
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| Tear apart at will. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I'd prefer maybe an upgrade to Scent Death instead. Perhaps it should also color in squares with reviving bodies (I don't think it does this now right?). Then zombies could infer where necrotechs are since those are usually adjacent to or very close to revive points. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F'ing Dog]] 16:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Adding more colour to the map is problematic, we had no end of problems getting Scent Death to work for the colourblind. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::you made scent death work for the colourblind??? How, i never use it cos i can't make sense of of it :(--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Originally the shades of colour used were too similar if view greyscale (representing colourblindness) they were altered to make them clearer even when viewed this way. Swiers wrote a decoding Scent Death piece somewhere that explains about the display. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Limiting it to zombies is inconsistent as Scent Death's strangely smelling bodies do carry over to survivors. If it's the same fluid you can recognize from the corpses in small amounts, you should definitely be able to recognize it in the huge amounts an NT building would have. What's the point of making it zombies-only? It's not like getting this skill instead of NT Employment would be sensible for survivors as this is more expensive (2nd tier) and less useful (no DNA extracting, must buy NT Employment anyway if you want the subskills). --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] <small><sup><span style="background-color:black;color:yellow">'''Big Brother Diary Room: [518,09]'''</span></sup></small> 18:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Very true, that sentence was there to stop trenchies whining, I never saw it as a problem if it was trans-mortal, but you have to consider your audience. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Surprisingly, I can't find a dupe. What Midianian said has a point though, and limiting this to zombies would be inconsistent (should NT Employment's bonuses be limited to survivors, then?) Unlike Dog, however, I would just prefer it to branch off the "Scent" tree like other zombie skills. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :You can't find a dupe of something ''I've'' brought to this page? Colour me shocked and amazed :P -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I agree that zombies should be able to recognize NT buildings. I'm not sure why you want this skill not to be "trans-mortal" though, since zombies with the NT Employment can identify the NT's. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :The lack of trans-mortal application was purely to stop trenchies whining. The downside is the lack of Extractor use IMO, as it doesn't seem to be a sticking point I'll remove the section about it not being trans-mortal on the revised text. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Meh. I appreciate what you'e trying to do, but I really don't think this is skill-worthy. As you said, the locations of NT buildings are hardly secret. Also, it's currently entirely possible to identify a suspected NT building ingame without NecroTech Employment or any metagame resources: if a building has a high number of zombies outside and a large number of revived bodies outside or adjacent blocks, it's likely, and can be confirmed by breaking in and seeing whether it has the NecroTech logo inside. Heck, even the fact of meeting a defense makes it likely to be an NT, because normal buildings are virtually worthless. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :I don't think Graffitti is skill worthy, but that's a whole different rant about useless survivor skills. The difference is that anyone who's been revived probably has NT Employment, and thus there are no 'suspected' NT buildings to them, this just allows players wanting to be exclusively zombie to gain the same benefit. It's a skill because the survivor analogue is also a skill. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::You're forgetting that NecroTech Employment is required to use a DNA Extractor, an excellent source of easy XP and useful source of intel. Identifying NTs is pretty much a minor side benefit. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Can they smell someone who is carrying needles? - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 22:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :No. As is mentioned in the suggestion text, syringes are sealed, zombies with Scent Enemy will not be able to distinguish between survivors with and without needles using this skill. This only allows the identification of NT buildings using similar flavour to Scent Death and the mechanics of NT Employment. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Ah, missed that somehow. Late night. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 02:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| udtoolbar or whatever shows them differently, it's a nice touch and i wouldn't oppose it, but i don't really see the need.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :It's all about giving career zombie players equal abilities in the game mechanics without forcing them to play outside their chosen (and genre true) play style. Yes they could use plug ins, but people constantly go on about plug ins not working on different browsers (although personally, anyone who doesn't use Firefox is a Philistine and should be shot), also it should not be required for any player to use a single plug in. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::I can appreciate giving career zombies equal abilities, but I don't think that necessarily implies identical abilities (with all due regard to Brown v. Board of Education). Zombies' scent abilities tend to allow zombies to know extra information about their current map location, and (with AP expenditure), extra information about their surrounding area. I would make this suggestion with this paradigm in mind: Scent Enemy should allow zombies to determine NT if they're outside it, and should place an asterisk within NT locations on the Scent Death mini-map. --{{User:Galaxy125/Sig}}19:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| This fits better under Memories of Life. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :They don't ''remember'' the NT buildings, they ''smell'' the chemicals, hence Scent tree. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Makes sense. Just as zombies shouldn't have to become human to get 60 HP and a flack jacket, zombies shouldn't have to become human to get the NT-identifying ability. Also, the more information provided IN-game (vs. having to look in the metagame for it) the better. And no one should be forced to use plug-ins. --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 14:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I'll vote for this when survivors get their own version of ankle grab for standing up after a revive, and when they get their own version of scent death for identifying reviving bodies. Personally I don't wish to encourage playing for one side only. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 20:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I like it. It further validates the career zombies, and there's no reason I can think of to not vote for it. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 07:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_description= Simply put, just take 1/4 off a zombies attack rates in the dark, rather then 1/2. Why? Zombies have sharp pointy teeth and claws, which really don't need as much aiming as a pistol. Try it out yourself. Go into a building and try to hit a target with a pistol in the dark. You won't hit it. Now try just running into it and flailing about. Easier, huh?
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| --{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Logical, but in the current game climate, unnecessary. Also shouldnt the same then apply for knifes and axes? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Depends on your definition of unnecessary. I think it makes more sense, and as far as knives and axes, no. They have a very specific blade on them, and should have cut accuracy. Go into a dark place and swing and axe around and tell me that you can do it almost the same as in the light. You're more likely to hurt yourself then something else. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| For the sake of balance and RP, axes should be included too. Other then that, this suggestion is unbalanced as it raises zombie hit rates, but not survivor's. Finally, a person could get a decent idea of were their target is in the dark, by noises that it makes. Zombies are quite loud ;). {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Zombies are loud? They can't talk. They can't search so it isn't their inventory that is clanking. Is rotting really that loud? --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 02:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Running into something? I can think of plenty of instances where zombies are quiet, or groaning/moaning.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Ether way, breathing in a dark room would produce enough noise. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::Zombies don't breathe. If anything you've just produced a great argument in favour of the suggestion. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 03:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::Well, if this side discussion is purely on RP, there is no zombie movie I have seen where a zombie is quiet enough to not be noticable, dark or not. Whether if it's snarling, groaning, bumping into things with no regard, etc. --{{User:Yungblood/Sig}} 21:14, 7 December 2008 (EST)
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| ::::::Yes, however, I've can recall plenty of occasions where they are silent. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::I think you all need to watch more zombie movies. Forget the new dawn of the dead. There are plenty of scenes that aren't action scenes, where a person is creeping around a dark house, looking for whatever it is they are looking for, and then a zombie JUMPS OUT AND GRABS THEM! BOO! But seriously. For sake of balance, is the point of this suggestion. Its addressing a situation that is, currently out of balance. I love playing my survivors, but there should, realistically speaking, be absolutely no benefit, mechanics wise, for a survivor in a dark building. At all. Human players can put in generators, repair it, and that is there state, which serves their needs. Zombie players destroy the Generators and ransack, thus that state should serve them. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| This might make a useful "bonus" ability for a melee weapon. Pipes can be used for barricading, crowbars can be used for debarricading, knives are the newbie weapon, axes are the power weapon. I think the tennis racket or cricket bat (maybe the baseball bat or fencing foil) would be fitting here as they are closer range weapons than most of the others (meaning they need less swinging room than the the others).--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 08:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Pretty sure you need to come in closer to knife a guy than you do to hit him with a cricket bat. Same goes for beer bottles. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 00:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::As I said, the knife already has a extra use (its the newbie weapon). Same for the bottle (it heals and is a one use weapon). The point is to make the other melee weapons nobody uses beyond roleplay reasons more useful. People use knives, axe pipes and (kinda) crowbars) but NOBODY uses baseball bats, cricket bats, fencing foils, tennis rackets, ski poles, golf clubs or hocket sticks because they are inferior to the first 4 items.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::If I put this up for voting, i will almost definitely not be doing anything of the sort. There isn't a need for a 'specialty' for the worthless weapons. Or, I should say, their specialty is that they ARE worthless weapons. Sometimes new characters have to use them. RP players use them. Thats all thats needed. It really has nothing to do with this suggestion. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I like it and see no reason why it needs balancing with a survivor version. Fighting in the dark isn't just about finding your target, a big part of the problem is in the inherent fear of being unable to see... try closing your eyes and running in an open space and you will start to see what I mean! Zombies don't have so much fear and probably don't feel pain the same way so i have no problem with them thrashing away regardless--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I think this is based on a very faulty presumption. Try running into something in the dark, putting a gun muzzle against it, and pulling the trigger. A good bit easier than grabbing hold and biting a vulnerable bit, isn't it? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :True. But then why have a hit percentage at all for guns? You could always run right up. I think, using present game play models as an example, it is assumed that it is not going to happen. And its still pretty hard to run through a dark, destroyed building and start grabbing things and trying to find where to shoot it. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 23:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::It's a game. Don't think too hard about it :P --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::But I am in work... if I don't think hard about this i might have to actually do something ;) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| So, the general consensus is... some people think it should apply to melee weapons, some people don't... voting or no? - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 22:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| It's simple: negate dark penalties if and only if your zombie has a Tangling Grasp in place. I'd accept this even if only applied to bites. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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| |suggest_description=This skill can only be purchased after the Brain Rot skill is had. If a zombie can make a fatal blood rot bite, then the victim can only be revived from inside a powered NT building. Thus Blood Rot turns survivors into zombies with temporary Brain Rot. I think this will had a fun twist to game dynamics for both players wanting to be revived and survivors looking to revive players. Survivors infected with Blood Rot will need try to gain entrance into NT buildings instead of the wait in line approach now used.
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| When the fatal bite is given the dead survivor will see "You are dead and the taint of blood rot runs through your veins." The percentage chance for the fatal blood rot bite should be the same as a Head Shot that survivors enjoy.
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| --{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Im not an expert on the game or any of the mechanics and balances, etc. but im pretty sure this will annoy the shit out of the newbies of this game. also, with the multiply by a billion rule, many high level zombies would have this ability, tipping the scales in the zombies' favor during seiges.--{{User:Yungblood/Sig}} 17:58 December 4, 2008 (EST)
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| :Duuuuuude, you wrote this from a month ago? Can I ride in your time machine? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Time machines are sooo twenty-first century. --{{User:Galaxy125/Sig}}03:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Haha, craap, its been awhile since i signed something, so i forgot it was december. xP I can sell u some time machine for maybe $10. All u need is some fire, and this little green bag.....--{{User:Yungblood/Sig}} 7:36 December 5, 2008 (EST)
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| Read the Do's and Do Nots! This would force survivors to artificially play as zombies, and probably many of them would quit the game. Also an incredible griefing tool. I'm a zombie player, but this is just way too overpowered. (But thanks for bringing it here first before putting up for voting.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC) (AARGH EDIT CONFLICTS >=[)
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| :Agreed, im sorry but this woulden't be fun for the majority of survivor characters. If they wanted the challage they would get brain rot. Much as I ''love'' the idea of harder to revive survivors, more open NT's and the balance shift that would surely cause im against the idea. Hell I'ed probably quit my survivor characters as I play them to actually be a survivor the majority of the time, not an undead character who has to travel to a current clinic or threaten the lives of my fellow survivors just to become one. As well those who don't actually metagame would be wholly screwed as theyed be stuck to the local NT's who may not have friendly open arms. If its a minority of players it works, if its a majority we'll only have problems.--[[User:G-Man|G-Man]] 00:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| First of all, learn how to play a little more before suggesting something like this. The percentage chance of a headshot is '''one hundred percent'''. If you have the skill, it automatically happens if you kill a zombie. This is, effectively, giving the target automatic brain rot and HAS been suggested before. This wouldn't hurt survivors. It would hurt the game. A lot of survivors HATE playing as zombies and suggestions that "force them to" usually go down in flames. Survivors that hate playing as zombies will either quit (at least quit playing that particular character) or play as Mrh?-Cows (which is pathetic). But if you force those Mrh-Cows to have auto-Brain Rot, they will just quit.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| This may be interesting as a once-off for a limited-duration city, but I agree with the posters above me about applying it to Malton. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ''Do not force brain rot onto other people'', this has in the past been considered a major bug doubtful it will become a game effect.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Need a say "XD"? 8161 Survivors (39%) Versus 12695 Zombies (61%). That's new shiny new apocalypse. I like it, but don't make it too shiny! [[Suburb|This say anything?]] {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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| this is a dupe, but i CBAed to find it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I liked [[User:Swiers|Swiers']] Cerebral Infection (You have to be FAKed before being able to be revived, if not, the revive fails-Sub-skill of Infectious bite) I believe it got to PR too. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :[[Suggestion:20080615 Brain Rot: Cerebral Infection]] is in fact "peer reviewed", so "blood rot" would likely be considered a dupe. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 00:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| ===Feeding is Messy===
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| |suggest_description=This is really simple. Any time a zombie feeds off a corpse, there's a chance (half of what it's when attacking someone) that the scene will become [[User:Jen/Blood|bloodier]].
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| --{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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| It's useless flavor (but then again, who cares?) In short, I like it, and can't see any problems. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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| I'm all for more gore!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Definitely. Can we have napkins and bibs? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Yeah chuck 'er in.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Simple. Why not?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Why not just make this into a clothes status description effect like the other player on player actions?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :Are you suggesting that this would only affect clothing? I don't really like that <tt>:P</tt>. Besides, attacking is also a player on player action, which is where the bloodstains normally come from. However, making it so that there's ''also'' a chance for getting blood on the clothes... What do you people think? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] <small><sup><span style="background-color:black;color:yellow">'''Big Brother Diary Room: [519,09]'''</span></sup></small> 19:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Hooray for blood! [[User:DrakonMacar|Chaplain Drakon Macar]] 21:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Good flavour. Will get my Keep vote. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Whatever, I'll give this a Keep. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Indeed. Also, could you take my previous suggestion to voting? I've never put a suggestion up for voting. Though it's probably easy enough.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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| :It's easy enough to do yourself-just go to the [[:Category:Current Suggestions]] page and follow the instructions. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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| [[Suggestion:20081204 Targeted Feeding|Targeted Feeding]] is up for voting. Discussion moved [[Suggestion talk:20081204 Targeted Feeding|here]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] <small><sup><span style="background-color:black;color:yellow">'''Big Brother Diary Room: [509,04]'''</span></sup></small> 09:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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