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==Developing Suggestions==
''This page is for presenting and discussing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''


===Further Discussion===
Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general (including policies about it) takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].


Nothing on this page will be archived.
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
 
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== Please Read Before Posting ==
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 
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*''Be sure to check [[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]] and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots | Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.'' There you can read about many idea's that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''', or a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/24th-Apr-2007#Rooftops.2C_Sniper_Rifle.2C_and_Sniper_Ammo|Sniper Rifles]]'''. There users can also get a handle of what an appropriate suggestion looks like.
|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
*Users should be aware that this is a talk page, where other users are free to use their own point of view, and are not required to be neutral. While voting is based off of the merit of the suggestion, opinions are freely allowed here.
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*It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
|'''Scope:''' Interface
*<font color="red">'''With the advent of new game updates, users are requested to allow some time for the game and community to adjust to these changes ''before'' suggesting alterations.'''</font>
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|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
== How To Make a Suggestion ==
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====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)====
====Format for Suggestions under development====
 
Please use this template for discussion. Copy all the code in the box below, click [edit] to the right of the header
"'''[[Developing Suggestions#Suggestions|Suggestions]]'''", paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, and replace the text shown here in <span style="color: red">red</span> with the details of your suggestion.
 
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===</nowiki><font color="red">Suggestion</font><nowiki>===
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|suggest_scope=</nowiki><font color="red">Who or what it applies to.</font><nowiki>
|suggest_description=</nowiki><font color="red">Full description. Check spelling and be descriptive.</font><nowiki>
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====Discussion (</nowiki><font color="red">Suggestion Name</font><nowiki>)====
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====Cycling Suggestions====
Developing suggestions that appear to have been abandoned (i.e. two days or longer without any new edits) will be given a warning for deletion. If there are no new edits it will be deleted seven days following the last edit.
 
This page is prone to breaking when there are too many templates or the page is too long, so sometimes a suggestion still under strong discussion will be moved to the [[Developing Suggestions/Overflow1|Overflow]]-page, where the discussion can continue between interested parties.
:'''The following suggestions are currently on the Overflow page:''' ''No suggestions are currently in overflow''.
 
If you are adding a comment to a suggestion that has the deletion warning template please remove the <nowiki>{{SNRV|X}}</nowiki> at the top of the discussion section. This will show that there is active conversation again.
 
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<span style="font-size:1.5em"><font color="red">'''Please add new suggestions to the top of the list.'''</font></span>
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===Shrink the map===
==Suggestions==
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===Crippling Blow===
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
{{suggestionNew
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|suggest_time=[[User:Faranya|Faranya]] 02:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
|'''Type:''' Map change
|suggest_type=Zombie Hunter Skill
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|suggest_scope=Survivors above level 10
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
|suggest_description=Along the same lines as Headshot, Crippling blow would be a zombie hunter skill available only to players above level 10. Essentially, Crippling blow would passivly give the character with that skill the chance (somewhere like 5% or lower) to 'cripple' the target. Crippling would result in the cost of 2 AP to move between blocks until either:
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A) 5 blocks have been traversed (10 AP)
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
B) Death
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====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
This would give the zombie hunter a chance to keep a zombie that was attacked but not quite killed at a distance. As they would be able to be tracked by Scent Trail unless they escape 10 blocks, this would mean that there might be a chance that chasing them down is slightly less likely from the attacked zombie. The target would recieve a message along the lines of "<name> attacked you for <damage>, and crippled one of your legs", while the attacker would recieve no confirmation of a cripple, and cannot be certain that they had actually crippled the target, as it would on average only occur once every 20 (or possibly more) successful attacks.
 
This effect is not necessarily detrimental to a zombie, if they are part of a siege then it is likely to be of little consequence. Additionally, low level zombie without Lurching Gait would not be effected by this, they would jsut proceed as normal. The percentage of effect is open to suggestions, but I think 5% is the highest this can possibly go without becoming ridiculous.
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====Discussion (Crippling Blow)====
Why doesn't this work on humans? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
: Perhaps it could, but I figured Zombie hunter would be the category to fit it into, so there was a pre-requisate level to obtain it. [[User:Faranya|Faranya]] 02:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 
98% of the people here are going to be against this becuase it "cancels" a skill.  5% might be insignificant.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 
I don't mind it that much, although it is rather annoying for zombies...as in, it seems like a vaguely griefy skill. I wouldn't really mind it being implemented though. -- [[User:Ashnazg]] 0743, 3 January 2009 (GMT)
 
This makes the game more fun for trenchcoaters, but more annoying for zombies.  Not a good idea.--[[User:Jiangyingzi|Jiangyingzi]] 09:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Yeah, what the guys above me are saying. It could be used to grief newbies (or anyone,) and it should ether be made a crossover skill (or better,) have a zombie version (as in, a new zombie skill, too.) Better make sure Pkers can use it too, ;). {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Won't pass without extreme editing, the percentage is to low to make a difference for most zombies as there has been a sharp decilne in trenchcoater populations, therefore less idiots running and gunning around the streets(Or at least in my characters area of residence).--[[User:Diablor|Diablor]] 21:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Don't fuck with my AP. Because that's what this does: costs me 10 AP of pointless movement to "shrug off". Also, it's pathetically one-sided -- why does it only apply to zombies? Zombies are players too and this is just grieftastic. Add this effect to headshot and... uhm... No thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Furthermore this makes newbie zombies -- who have the roughest time of ANYONE in UD -- have to spend 4 ap to move. An awful, utterly trenchtacular idea. Please no. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:No, it would not cost them 4 AP. It would make the cost 2 AP to move, not 2 additional AP. And it wouldn't be added to headshot because death would end the effect, so you would not suffer the effects of both unless you ran yourself into a headshot. Finally, it does not necessarily have to only apply to zombies. If people would prefer it apply to all, then it can. [[User:Faranya|Faranya]] 01:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Show exhausted survivors===
===Action Points===
{{suggestionNew
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|suggest_time=[[User:Turtleboy412|Turtleboy412]] 06:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
|suggest_type=Helpfull flavor
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|suggest_scope=Urban Dead players
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
|suggest_description=If you are in a room or outside block with someone who has 5 or less AP they are shown as exhausted. If they have 0 AP they are shown as asleep.
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[Example: You are inside A Factory. The building has been very strongly barricaded. Also here are ZombieSlayer007 (51HP)(Exhausted) and Dr.Trenchie (17HP)(Asleep) and RedbullWings (50HP).There are 2 zombies here.There are 3 dead bodies here.]
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
 
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In the example it shows everyone's HP as if the player had diagnosis. You wouldn't see anyone's HP if you didn't have diagnosis (Duh). You would not see if zombies where asleep or exhausted. Zombies would know if survivors where exhausted or asleep but the flavor may be changed to somthing along the lines of slowed and lying rather than exhausted and asleep.
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
 
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====Discussion (Action Points)====
====Discussion (Show exhausted Survivors)====
I think something like this has been proposed before and was shot down due to the griefing potential – this would make it too easy to kill people who can't run/fight back. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 
That and if you're a nice person looking to heal, then you'd get the skill needed. This makes it much to easy for those looking to kill to  narrow it down to the easiest to kill. So i guess it is balanced, in that everyone gets an advantage...-[[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 13:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 
No bloody way. My AP is my business. Why? Because if this information were available, then attackers would know ''exactly'' whom to neutralise and who's harmless and can be ignored. This information would be invaluable in sieges and totally shafts any group that coordinates to defend a building. Totally unbalanced. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:What WanYao said. This is essentially a way to negate someone's AP by killing anyone able to barricade or heal. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 16:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 
This is one of the worst suggestions I have seen in a while, give survivors a fucking break already god damn --[[User:Diablor|Diablor]] 04:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:[http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html Game Stats]. On the topic at hand, this isn't a good suggestion for the reasons outlined above. Zombies could kill all the survivors with AP to cade, making taking a building a lot easier. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't judge suggestion based on the fact that one side happens to be doing better than the other... And, in this case, even though would be a giant boost to zombies, death cultists and PKers... No bloody way. A bad idea is a bad idea. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 
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===Scope===
===Drone===
{{suggestionNew
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|suggest_time=[[User:Angusburger|Angusburger]] 21:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Item/flavour
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|suggest_scope=Survivors
|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
|suggest_description=You can get different kinds of knife (kitchen knife, large scapel etc), so I suggest a new 'type' of binoculars.
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
You would have the same search percentages of finding binoculars, except only in an armoury.
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|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
The flavour text would read ''You find a military sniper rifle, although the gun is damaged beyond repair, the scope is still servicable'' or simply ''You find a sniper scope''.
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====Discussion (Drone)====
Help me with this one.
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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====Discussion (Scope)====
The "scope" of it is too limited.  Armory only?  You can already find binoculars there as it is.  Or are you suggesting that the description be changed there?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 
I can't help you with this because I don't know what you want... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:45, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Somewhere between "Meh" and "Isn't needed." I'll be assuming that scopes work like binoculars? Also, this will spawn a heap of "Attach scope to teh_pistol" suggestions, although that isn't a valid kill reason. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 
This isn't a bad idea if it's just like Knife, which seems to be the intent. Just be wary that the name alone will put people off for fear of people wanting to make it more than just flavor.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 
The flavour idea is ''all right'', I suppose, but IMO binoculars are already sufficiently military in flavour. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 
I like the flavour text :) - I kinda want to see <s>trenchies</s> elite zombie hunters spending tons of AP in armories hoping to find a repairable sniper rifle. --{{User:Viktor Suvorov/sigalt}} 19:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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===GPS Unit Zombie Alert Improvement===
===Backpack===
{{suggestionNew
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|suggest_time=[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 15:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Improvement
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|suggest_scope=GPS Unit
|'''Type:''' New item
|suggest_description= Here is an idea for the GPS Unit.
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
GPS Units are found in Necrotechs. Necrotech Inc tracks zombie positions through DNA scans. What if the GPS unit was connected to that system?
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|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
Of course we don't want to make anything redundant to necronet. So what I suggest is this: the color of a GPS unit (by which I mean the text "GPS Unit") changes depending how many <i>scanned</i> zombies are in the 7x7 area (49 squares total) centered on you. Few zombies would be green. As the numbers increase the color would become yellow, orange, and red. It would not tell you where they are, just provide a vague idea how many are nearby.
 
Mall tech store GPS units would not be connected to necronet. GPS units found there would remain gray.


Redundant with the suburb danger map? Not really. This is much more precise because it covers the specific 49 squares right around you. The map gives you a good idea as to the state of a suburb, not so much for any one part of the suburb, or an area that covers more than one suburb. Plus, that map is updated by hand and can be slightly outdated at times - this would be completely precise, with the limit of only counting scanned zombies.


Any ideas what numbers of zombies should correspond to the different color levels?
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?
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====Discussion (GPS Unit Zombie Alert Improvement)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


For fuck's sake, read the archives. I'm tired of you filling this page with dupe shit. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:Couldn't find anything like this in the archives. I do like [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20070601_GPS_minimap this suggestion] a lot though, but that one is unrelated to this. Please post the link if you have one that's the same. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 16:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


there have been lots of attempts to use GPS units to track zombies. this, however, is different. but that doesn't make it better. this makes the game too easy. essentially it's a form of x-ray vision. if you want to know more concrete zombie numbers, go outside and/or get some binoculars. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?
:oh.... and what it ''is'' redundant with is NecroNet scans... actually, if i read this correctly, it's a giant buff to NecroNet scanning! there have been MANY attempts to bypass the blind spots in the necronet, and all of them got shot down. rightfully, because the blind spots are part of the game. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 
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===Setting Christmas trees on fire===
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Survivor "flavour" action
|suggest_scope=Grinches and pyromaniacs
|suggest_description=Game change allows you to douse a Christmas tree with fuel, then shoot a flare fun at it and set on fire.  


All attacks would use normal to-hit %ages, via the attack drop-down. That's how it works to smash christmas lights already...


Realistically, there should be a chance of this causing a fire which would wreck some barricade levels, etc. -- preferably all of them, leaving the building auto-ruined, bwaaaaaaaaahahahah!! However, I know... that's too much. :( Therefore, there would be no in-game effect, just a nifty message something like, ''"(player/you) fires a flare gun at the Christmas tree. It burns, filling the room with a thick smoke".'' Plastic trees would melt, leaving a smouldering black lump on the floor.  
Please give your thoughts.


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====Discussion (Setting Christmas trees on fire)====
====Discussion (Backpack)====
You know you want to! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:I kind of do.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::I kinda wish it didn't destroy the tree, just changed it's description to "it is on fire".--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:::''You scratch your head, pondering this idea.'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
: This I would do over and over again! Can you then pick up the black lump and hit folk with it? or am I going to far with this! :-P --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー｀)ﾉ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 19:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well... no. It's just flavour. If it were more than just flavour, I'd make a 20% chance of setting the bulding on fire, causing all barricades to be destroyed and the building to become ruined. No one would take damage, which I know is not very realistic... but we have to keep ''game balance'' in mind!
::But, all fun and games aside, this is a serious suggestion. I wanna be able to set Xmas trees in fire. So let's deal with finalising a good mechanic and ram it throught voting! ;) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Xmas trees? Or any decoration in the building? You are lighting it with a fuel can. [[User:Faranya|Faranya]] 20:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Flaming Zombies===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:Urgggggggh|Urgggggggh]] 19:30, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Attack expansion.
|suggest_scope=All players and barricades
|suggest_description=Fire spreading from zombies attacked with Flare Gun/Fuel Can combo.
|discussion=|Zombie's set on fire by the Flare Gun/Fuel Can combo, if they still have the HP/APs left to move, can spread flame to surrounding Zombies, Survivors and Barricades.}}
Zombies hit by the Flare Gun/Fuel Can attack combo and are not killed remain on fire (as 'flaming zombies') and are able to spread that fire to surrounding Survivors, Zombies and Barricades with a successful claw attack. Only 1 target can be ignited per successful attack. XP would be awarded at one payment of 2 per ignited survivor and 1 per zombie/barricade.
Flaming Zombies would take fire damage at 1HP per AP spent until dead, upon which they would burn out.
''Ignited'' Survivors would take damage at 1HP per AP spent until dead or extinquished. Survivors would be extinguished by spending AP's rolling on the ground, being 'smothered' by other survivors or sprayed with a fire extinguisher (see below) or dying. The ignited target is unable to spread the fire further.
''Ignited'' Zombies would take damage at 1HP per AP spent until dead and is able to spread the fire as above.
''Ignited'' Barricades are 15% easier to smash down until rebuilt back to Heavy or higher level (non-flammable materials).
This would also require the introduction of Fire Extingishers as a item in most  buildings; Fort, Hospital, Fire Station and Police Department 5%; Malls, Clubs, Hotel, Public Houses 3%; everywhere else 1%.
====Discussion (Flaming Zombies)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
That's actually pretty amusing. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Seems like a lot of work to implement... [[User:Faranya|Faranya]] 23:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
No. Read the FAQ's please. This is a multi-suggestion, and shouldn't be made. This is a suggestion that solves no problems, adds nothing to the game, and is over complicated with no gain. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 03:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
: I did read the FAQ, it has nothing that says this type of action/idea is illegal, but please explain 'multi suggestion'. If this is about the extinguishers then their inclusion here is common sense and part of the effect. And the gain is both flavour and pseudo-realism; a zombie set alight by petrol and wasn't killed by the explosion wouldn't just 'go out', it would continue to burn and everyone knows that fire spreads.  [[User:Urgggggggh|Urgggggggh]] 10:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Err, I'm not sure why i said it that way. I get on here late at night. What i meant is, you are not adding anything good, or addressing a current problem, but instead creating a problem and a not very good solution that involves new items. These suggestions are regularly spammed. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 13:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what Tylerisfat means by this being a "multi-suggestion" but the main flaw is that zombies CANNOT put out the flames themselves.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 08:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why would they? A zombie wouldn't even notice it was on fire :) I see your point though, would it work better if a survivor could extinguish a flaming zed?  [[User:Urgggggggh|Urgggggggh]] 10:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, it's more for balance than realism - it seems rather annoying to have to force a zombie to die to put out the fire, especially without Ankle Grab. Regarding the multi-suggestion thing, it's because this tries to introduce too many things at once. Whether this is more than one suggestion lumped together is a bit debatable (I personally think that it is), but at the very least it's certainly too complicated. Plus, I'm pretty sure that fire is one of the things we're not supposed to suggest, especially fire that can spread - the potential for it going out of control is pretty high. -- [[User:Ashnazg]] 0452, 30 December 2008 (GMT)
:::I realized that it was a new event/skill/whatever AND a new item.  But I think exceptions like this are a necessity.  The only other thing I can think off off the top of my head would be that a flaming person would set off the sprinklers if inside, thereby partially negating the requirement of a fire extinguisher.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Ashnazg; If we cant have fire in the game, why do we even have the 'Fireman' class? Fire that spreads once should be considered, after all, what zombie film ''doesn't'' have a fire in it somewhere? Also, this cant be any more annoying than being infected as a beginning survivor can it?, at least this will go away after you die. [[User:Urgggggggh|Urgggggggh]] 11:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes it IS more annoying then an infected newbie survivor.  Newbie survivors can HEAL THEMSELVES or GET HEALED BY OTHERS.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::Setting a zombie on fire is definitely more annoying for the zombie than for a newbie survivor. Regarding firemen in the game, this suggestion does nothing to make them any more useful either (and no, please don't start allowing only firemen to extinguish fires). They are there mostly to have someone that can start by using a fire axe. And yeah, of course zombie films have fire. But trying to introduce something into the game for flavour without taking balance into account is a no-no. Want to introduce fire? Sure, go ahead. But make sure it is a balanced, controllable, non-griefy type of fire rather than something like this, which is not only difficult to implement but also has great potential for griefing people and growing out of control. See the case of the World of Warcraft plague a few years back for why status effects that spread uncontrollably from person to person should not be introduced into games. I mean, fire like this could allow the whole of Malton to be swarmed by flaming zombies setting each other aflame left and right in order to break down barricades more easily and burn survivors. Basically the whole city would go down in flames. Which actually sounds pretty awesome, but would screw up the game completely. -- [[User:Ashnazg]] 0422, 31 December 2008 (GMT)
A flaming zombie is a very dangerous thing... And a fun idea. However, as others have pointed out it's very difficult to implement something like that in a way that isn't over the top and griefy. Multiply it by a million, eh? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Cool and all but probably not the best idea. Yeah infection sucks but I don't think we need a second form of it that only survivors can trigger, that would be a way for Survivors to temporarily buff zombies and runs into the problem of encouraging cross-play of the two sides. It should be survivors vs zombies not survivors vs survivors and zombies(no this is not what Death Culting is).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Points taken on board. Ill have a rethink and see if I can re-submit so it makes more sense. thanks.--[[User:Urgggggggh|Urgggggggh]] 11:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Headshot Text Change===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time={{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 22:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Minor text change.
|suggest_scope=All players.
|suggest_description=It's pretty simple: Currently when a zombie is headshot, the text for other players in the same room is "''Player 1 killed a zombie.''" I suggest that it be changed to "''Player 1 '''headshot''' a zombie.''"
Feedback?
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Headshot Text Change)====
Unneeded. The ''Player 1'' text gives a profile link. Go check if they have Headshot. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I believe this could be achieved with GreaseMonkey. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
"I believe this could be acheived with GreaseMonkey" is not a valid reason to reject asuggestion. However, there is no need that I can see to include this information in the game. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
I never said I was rejecting it.. I was just saying it could likely be replicated in GreaseMonkey.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 06:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Why'd you change your sig?? Also I like what iscariot says.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:I was bored yesterday and had nothing else to do. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't it also say "they take a headshot and die"?  And I hate the "do it with a script" bullshit.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 08:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:That's if you're the one who headshots the zombie. This suggestion would only be for other players in the block when the headshot takes place. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ah ok.  I'm of a mind it should occur for ALL weapons.  "Bob killed a zombie with [insert weapon here]".  Since headshot is automatic, it can say "Bob hit a zombie in the head with a [insert weapon here]".--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
If my zombies deaths are at all typical, it would make more sense to describe the unusual situations in which the zombie is NOT headshot.  "Player 1 kills a zombie, but he missed the head!"  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 03:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Haha, I know that feeling. I once got headshot, stood up and got headshot again, and stood up a third time and got headshot yet again in the span of a few hours. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::I did that once in a few minutes during a live combat.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Handcuffing===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:Faranya|Faranya]] 03:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Skill/item
|suggest_scope=Survivors
|suggest_description=I am aware that handcuffs have in fact been suggested, however this suggestion is quite a bit different. Handcuffs, which would require finding in a police department, would be able to be used by anyone, with a 15-20% chance of handcuffing someone. Being handcuffed means that one would require an expendature of 10 AP to do anything with their hands, similar to death, except movement is in no way restricted. Free running would work the same way. Similarly, actions not requiring hands, such as speaking or biting (zombies), would be uneffected. However, if attempting to handcuff someone, and it fails, there is a small (5-10%) chance of losing your cuffs. Now, there would also be a skill (let's call it Take Down) to increase the effectivness of handcuffing (perhaps up to 40%), as well as a skill (let's call it Lock Pick) similar to Ankle Grab to allow 1 AP to free yourself.
This would mean, effectivly, that one with handcuffs could in theory cuff someone, and then kill (or revive) them, which would mean that AP would need to be spent to stand up, and then again to uncuff your hands to use them. Worst case scenario, 15 AP to stand (headshot), 10 AP to free your hands, which I must admit would be very irritating. Best case scenario (Ankle Grab and Lock Pick) 2AP total.
The only real thing survivors have on Zombies is to eat into their AP (hence headshot), so there should be some way to increase the capacity to do so. However, I think that having to take to time to find the cuffs, use them sucessfully, with the risk of losing them entirely while doing so helps maintain some balance for this.
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Handcuffing)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
No, Unneeded, don't mess with people's AP. Also, not specific enough, and likely a dupe. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:52, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
What Cory said. Messing with people's AP is bad, and this could be a spectacular greifing tool. Especially for zombies who don't have ankle grab-a 25AP stand-up cost could make 'em quit the game. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
A very misguided idea. First, as everyone says: don't mess with my APes!! Second, eating into their AP via headshot is ''not'' the only thing survivors have versus the zombies... First of all, there are barricades. The point of shooting a zombie isn't to "kill" him, or to eat into his AP by headshooting him: it's to get him the hell out of the building and then to build the cades. Cades are the real AP eater... And then of course there's my favourite: the 100% to hit, 100% effective, mere 10 AP to "kill" -- the combat revive **bwahahahah**
Now... if handcuffs were purely accessories... eeerm... "role play".. erm... accessories..,,  erm... clothing... ermm... uh... nevermind... :P --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
grieftastic like nothing else. other people are players in this game, and this, used on anybody for any reason, gives way to high a penalty for no risk whatsoever. its basically, for all intents and purposes, BETTER then a one shot kill. it gives a no-penalty way for only survivors to give someone else a 10 ap penalty for next to nothing, and sets that person up to be killed, which could over-double that penalty. so as far as numbers, way out of whack and griefy. but even the idea of it is pure grief. multiply it by a thousand. see 30 griefers load full inventories of handcuffs and enter a mall and handcuff everyone, repeatedly. it would totally kill the mall for way less AP then zombies having a seige. or imagine a super group of survivors handcuffing a bunch of newb zeds repeatedly. it would kill the game because they would quit. straight up. ap is too valuable to screw around with like this. - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 09:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I will have this cycled in minutes if it goes to voting. Let me guess? Lockpick is a survivor skill? Shocking(!) Way to try and reinstitute headshot amongst rotten career zombies. Also, how badly do you want to fuck over newbies? Because you will see the emergence of PKer groups using this on newbies to grief them out of the game for fun. I know you'll see it, because I'll start it!
At least you brought it here first.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Try playing as a zombie before suggesting this kind of griefing shit. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 05:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:As Moloch. Way overpowered and griefers can do enough as it is. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Pretty much what other people said.  But I have to add this, why wouldn't Free Running be affected?  Whatever the argument that Free Running entails (and most players, I believe, use the idea it is jumping from one building to the next) most interpretations require the use of hands, be it for balance or grabbing onto things as you land.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 09:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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===Feral Hearing===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time={{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Skill found under feeding groan. (Yes level 3 skill).
|suggest_scope=Zombies, Humans
|suggest_description=Over the last three years zombies have gotten better at recognising those telltale [[feeding groan]]s. As such. If your zombie is '''Inside''' a building and another zombie feeding groans in an '''adjacent''' block you receive the message
<div align="left" style="border: 4px solid #445544; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; color: #ffffff; font-face: Trebuchet MS, Verdana; background-color: #556655; font-family: Trebuchet MS, Verdana"><font color="#bbccbb"><p style="text-align: left; background-color: #667766"><font size="3">You hear a groaning from inside Titus General Hospital</font><br><br></p><font size="3">
</font></font></div>
This is a crossover skill, so if alive you get an inferior message.
<div align="left" style="border: 4px solid #445544; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; color: #ffffff; font-face: Trebuchet MS, Verdana; background-color: #556655; font-family: Trebuchet MS, Verdana"><font color="#bbccbb"><p style="text-align: left; background-color: #667766"><font size="3">You hear a groaning from somewhere not too far away.</font><br><br></p><font size="3">
</font></font></div>
We all know zombies can hear sounds up to 6 blocks away, and as zombies are increasingly salting the land I thought this would be an interesting addition.
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Feral Hearing)====
Savage. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:You don't get specific instructions as to the name of the building at the moment and i don't think that should change. For me it's part to make people ahve to actually think, part so people don't have to metagame to find out where to go and partly because, well, zombies shouldn't know the names of buildings (yes the map says them, but the game would suck if they didn't). So you should fix that part of it imho. Aside from that, I think it's good. Allows zombies to salt buildings and get groan messages :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::You hear a groaning from the northeast. Something like that? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:::atm survivors have all the advantage telling each other where to go to deal with a zombie incursion. meanwhile, zombies can't do squat except metagame to communicate new targets. this helps and would be a very welcome addition. the only reservation i have is that atm barricade blocking is a little to strong: if you add this, it's a big boost. but maybe the only change needed is to cut back on blocking rates somewhat.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 18:50, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
yes to the version with no building names. an interesting thought might be memories of life having some sort of impact on this... - [[User:Tylerisfat|tylerisfat]] 09:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think survivors should be able to hear it. It'd be impossible to breach a building next to a crowded building. As for zombies, I think to balance this out they should only hear it if it's very loud, caused by a high number of survivors. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 02:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:What do others think about the crossover ability? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:13, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the below skill for the same reason. Directions, not names. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:No building names it is then, as that seems to be the feeling. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I like it with or without the names, but doesn't the game already tell you what direction a groan is coming from? --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 04:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:As per WanYao, you'd have to reduce blocking rates. At the moment, a zed has the choice of blocking a building or being outside to hear the groans - being able to do both would be too large a boost unless you were to cut down on the effectiveness of squatting a ruined resource building. Personally, I prefer my zed having to make the choice [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 06:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Cade blocking you mean? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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==Suggestions up for voting==
===Walkie Talkie===
This suggestion is up [[Suggestion:20081227 Walkie Talkie|for voting]], and the discussion has been moved to [[Suggestion talk:20081227 Walkie Talkie|the talk page]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 06:21 27 December 2008 (BST)</small>
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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)

Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

Discussion (Shrink the map)

Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

Discussion (Action Points)

Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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