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| ==Developing Suggestions==
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| ''This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''
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| *Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
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| *Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general, including policies about it, takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].
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| ==Please Read Before Posting==
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| *'''Be sure to check <big>[[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]]</big> and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.''' You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''': a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/19th-Nov-2005#Sniper_Rifle|Sniper Rifles]].'''
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| *Users should be aware that page is discussion oriented. Other users are free to express their own point of view and are not required to be neutral.
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| *It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
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| *''After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes '''before''' suggesting alterations.''
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| ==How To Make a Suggestion==
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| *Paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, right under the heading.
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| *Substitute the text in <font color="red">RED CAPITALS</font> with the details of your suggestion.
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| *'''Name''' - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
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| *'''Type''' is the nature of the suggestion, such as a ''new class'', ''skill change'', ''balance change'', etc. Basically: '''What is it?''' and '''Is it new, or a change?'''
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| *'''Scope''' is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically ''survivors'' or ''zombies'' (or both), but occasionally ''Malton'', the game ''interface'' or something else.
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| *'''Description''' should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check you spelling and grammar.
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| *Suggestions with no new discussion in the past two days should be given a warning notice. This can be done by adding {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section, where <font color="darkred">date</font> is the day the suggestion will be removed.
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Ash Cianatti|Ash Cianatti]] 20:42, 24 July 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' improvement | | |'''Type:''' UI enhancement |
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| |'''Scope:''' clothing,survivors,buildings | | |'''Scope:''' Interface |
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| |'''Description:''' In every 3-D zombie game I've seen, shooting a zombie results in a spray of blood behind it as the bullet punches through. Now, since the [[Infectious Bite]] is transmitted via saliva and therefore probably the blood also, I propose the following. | | |'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked. |
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| When a survivor successfully shoots a zombie with a pistol, there is a 35% chance that the shot will spray blood. Obviously, shotguns will have a 85% chance of doing this. The first change will be the addition of flavor text:
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| * You shoot the zombie for 5 damage, spraying the wall behind it with blood. They drop to 45 hitpoints.
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| This will increase the chance of the bloodstained building affect. If the zombie has the [[Flesh Rot]] skill, odds of blood spray increase. Now, how does this affect survivors? Easy: if a survivor is nearby, they are sprayed with blood, giving them a limited amount of time before they become Infected. You can see if a survivor was hit by blood spray by looking at their description - clothes will read "Blood-flecked", "blood stained", or "blood soaked". "But wait," the observant reader will say, "that's already in the game". Yes, now changing your clothes can be a matter of life and death- contaminated clothing must be removed before you become Infected. If this change is implemented, all clothes will lose blood flecks, stains, etc., effectively resetting themselves. Onward, any blood hitting you from another survivor attacking a zombie results in the following messages:
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| * <i>To you:</i> >survivorname< shot a zombie, spraying your >bodypart< with blood.
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| * <i>To the shooter:</i> You shot the zombie for 10 damage, spraying >survivorname< with blood. The zombie's rotten flesh absorbs 2 damage. They drop to 52 hitpoints.
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| The more bloodstained items of clothing you are wearing and the more extensive the stains, the higher a chance that with any given action you will become Infected. This extends to bloodstained walls and rooms in a building, affecting all survivors inside.
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| (Author Note) 1: You can't infect yourself, blood spray comes from other survivors shooting zombies. 2: Chance of spray from shotgun blast being larger is because, have you <i>seen</i> a friggin shotgun wound in someone? Blood everywhere. Percentages are just random numbers I came up with, feel free to suggest numbers OTHER than 0%. 3: My bad, I forgot the times, will go insert them right now. [[User:Ash Cianatti|Ash Cianatti]] 16:07, 27 July 2009 (BST)
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| Survivors shouldn't be able to infect themselves. Also, who's to say the blood's what's infectious? --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 21:13, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| Sorry, but this adds nothing to the game. People will just change their clothes, that's not fun or challenging at all. It's just annoying--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 21:17, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :The easier way would be to turn malton into a nudist colony... "Urban Dead - A Massively Multi-Player Web-Based Au Naturel Zombie Apocalypse". Also, just to nitpick, ''"Obviously, shotguns will have a 85% chance of doing this."'' why ''obviously''? If you thought it out and given a reason for the % could you clarify... --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 21:31, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::Oh? it isn't obvious to you? *giggles and points at KB* --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:25, 27 July 2009 (BST)
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| Pointless zombie buff. % of infection is way too high. Try 0%, then I might agree with it more.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:57, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| As Orange. I'm not gonna go look for another Monocle. >_< --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:07, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| Its also a dupe of a failed suggestion from waay back!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:38, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| Actually, it is incomplete. It says ''"...they have a limited amount of time before they become Infected..."''. But it doesn't actually SAY what the time frame is. The percentages in the suggestion are to get sprayed with blood NOT get infected.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 20:18, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 05:25, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' I'm just gonna float this and see what people think. The problem with groups is that they're organized on boards, not in-game. Noobs don't understand them, ferals don't want to waste the extra time with them, they circumvent the rules for AP use for speaking, broadcasting, using mobiles, all communication in-game, because people arrange for unlimited communication out-of-game with no AP cost. I propose a change that will ease communication in-game, promote in-game group organization and be usable directly from the player's interface so even noobs realize they can do it. I suggest implementing a Private Messaging system for contacts in-game. Here's how it would work:
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| 1. PMs cost no AP to use, but do create a server hit and so count against your IPs server hit restriction. That means no more than 160 per day, max. Characters would be limited, but should be more than the current restriction on broadcast characters. I've never used a mobile, so I don't know what the restriction is on those.
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| 2. Survivors can PM any survivor in their contacts list. Zombies can contact any zombie in their list. No survivor/zombie, zombie/survivor PMing. This is, however, negotiable since I know so many of you love your Life Cultists.
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| This basically reduces the need to organize groups on other forums, and allows even small groups to organize effectively in-game with minimal effort. It makes it possible for even noobs to do what experienced metagamers do all the time. I could see restricting it to only a handful of contacts, maybe 5 or 10, to try to encourage microgroup organization and discourage large hordes, but the goal is basically to focus the metagaming community's activity on UD itself rather than on a bunch of other boards. It facilitates zombie communication in-game in a way that encourages ferals to participate with other players while not forcing them into large hordes, and it immediately allows noobs and baby zombahs to create effective groups through their UD interface rather than having to join a group and check in at Invision or Barhah.com regularly.
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| First thing to start you off - perhaps should only work for mutual contacts so people you don't know can't spam you. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:36, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Yeah, that's not a bad idea, though I did mention that you should be able to block PMs from anyone.--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 06:09, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| Extremely abusable. Someone could log in via a proxy, send 160 messages, then use their standard IP and play the game. It should cost AP. While that doesn't solve the problem, it limits it somewhat. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 11:52, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Abusable. Right. Abusable because someone could go out of their way to use a proxy so they could send over 160 messages... as opposed to using a separate forum for ''unlimited'' messaging. Why should it cost AP? It doesn't cost AP to use a separate forum. If anything, this discourages "abuse" that's already happening.--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 18:28, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::It would give access to pretty much any character in game as it is written now, thus it can be a far more useful tool than a forum where it is required for the other person to be on said forum and actively checking for information, that's why I think it should be limited by AP (and all other forms of in game communication cost AP so why shouldn't this?). Also, would you mind clarifying what you meant by ""abuse" that's already happening"? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 19:43, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::Your response said ''abusable'' in a manner that implied that extensive communications without costing AP was an abuse. But with forums, that's happening right now, with no limit on # of characters, no limit on # of messages, no limits of any kind. In fact, with restricted forums people can arrange to PM one another, give each other info for a service like AIM, then IM one another and coordinate in unrestricted fashion ''while they play the game'', which is no different than what this would allow, though this puts at least ''some'' limitations on it. The main thing is that it would take such behavior out of the exclusive domain of experienced metagamers and put it in the hands of all players, noobs and ferals included. So if there's a potential for abuse, it's nowhere near as big as the potential we deal with now, and this is essentially a measure to level the playing field for all characters.--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 02:14, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::::Actually, if you listened to his response, this lets you contact ANYONE, at any time. Name one forum in which you can contact any other urbandead character that you want.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 11:30, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::::Okay, but in forums you can contact people who aren't in your contacts list at all. This limits it to people in your contacts, which is limited to what... 100 people? You still need to have made the effort to add them to your list, and you still are restricted by the number of people you can add. Forums still have more advantages, though they require more attention, but this would help even play a bit.--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 12:29, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::No, because forums will only have specific people on them. You can't call up anyone at any time. This suggestion, coupled with the name database, gives you any character at any time, whether they want you to or not.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 14:23, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| How would zombies text each other? O__O {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}11:54, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Same as survivors... I envision a PM function added to the standard game interface. Maybe you hit a button and it opens a box on your contacts page, allowing you to choose a contact and send a message. Something like that.--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 18:28, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::Alas. It is already made. You click the wiki button, it takes you to the wiki where not only do you get to just talk, but make groups pages, link them to forums for secret stuff, and all kinds of glorious things.--[[User:Bonghit420|Agunin_Anoven]] 23:17, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::And just what percentage of players use the Wiki? The point of this is to make something everyone can already do more accessible. Making it involve a bunch of steps just discourages people... it should be part of the player interface in-game.--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 02:14, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| Nerf? Don't you mean buff mobiles? No zombie texting... please. It's just so out of character/genre <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 15:38 24 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :No, he means it's a nerf because there's a better system.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 16:46, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::Oh, I thought the suggestion was to allow text messages if you've got a mobile phone for no AP. Surely PMs need to be explained, and using the mobile phone is the obvious choice. Just having it so you can magically, perhaps telepathically, contact others is ridiculous... may as well leave it for the meta-game <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:15 26 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :::Perhaps instantly registering all new characters to an official forum? Although not everyone would use it by any means.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 14:24, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| I've always wanted a Nerf-o-mobile. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] 17:31, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :I'd be satisfied with a small plot of land in a warm area, with a source of fresh water, a self-sufficient farm, a couple of dairy goats and some chickens, a place to grow fresh peppers, a dark cellar for mushrooms, an olive tree, a lemon tree, perhaps a walnut tree or some other kind of nut, and a chance to watch the sunset each day as I set off improvised homemade explosives and rockets, performed bizarre chemical and medical experiments that create and eerie and unnatural glow when viewed from a distant hillside, perhaps even signaling to alien spacecraft, and burned and buried the bodies of indigents and girl scouts unfortunate enough to cross my path... oh, for the simple life... just like Little House on the Prairie. : )--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 02:26, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| Part of the atmosphere of Urban Dead is the sense of isolation and inability to easily coordinate; alas, that genie is already out of the bottle, and no amount of pushing will get it back in.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:17, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| :True, but if that's the case, why not accommodate it in a way that makes it easy for all players to participate? If you've got a system with exploits that only some players use, and it gives them an advantage, why not just acknowledge the exploit and help everyone use it?--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 02:29, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| I like the sentiment and mechanics of this, but ultimately I don't think people will go for it. External boards allow all sorts of stuff the game would never do (like pictures) and don't tax the UD server. You do have a good point about the newb problem - we have advantages they don't - but that also applies for all the in-game skills, like faster walking, free running, hitting what you shoot at, etc. That's just how it is, and although I don't necessarily like everything about that, nobody stays a newb forever. Anybody who really cares about blow-by-blow contact and strategic warfare will seek out the channels everyone else uses to communicate. I'm not trying to discourage you - I just think you're facing some pretty tough hurdles. -{{User:CaptainVideo/sig}} 02:39, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| :I also like the sentiment, and I agree that in-game communication ought to be encouraged and made easier, especially for zombies. However it is a fallacy that newbs don't metagame. Noobs don't consider strategy and they won't regardless of how easy it is for them. That's what makes them noobs.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 07:00, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::True. Eventually, though, most either level up or idle out. And the rest? Well, it's a free postapocalyptic world. -{{User:CaptainVideo/sig}} 03:56, 28 July 2009 (BST)
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| Wait, I don't see why "only some people" can use outside resources to augment playing the game. You mean to tell me if I meet some people in the game with whom I would like to organize that I can't get in touch with them out of game unless I'm a certain level in game or what?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 20:28, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Right, being lazy isn't a handicap that we need to design the game to accommodate; If someone doesn't want to make an effort they they shouldn't be surprised when they don't get a result. That said, newb ignorance probably constitutes a significant potion of non-metagaming UDers, especially for people who are new to this kind of thing. It seems like the answer would be to spread he word about IRC rooms in game, not to flood the server and/or reduce character playability.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:39, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 23:04, 23 July 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' My latest Groan Identification is now Groan Improvements. Firstly, you can identify Contact-Listed Groans as a Zombie. When you hear a Groan from the Groaner, you will get the message 'You hear (type of groan), which you recognise as (Groaning Zombie).' You can only identify one groan at a time, because of your decayed state, so if you hear another Contact-Listed Zombie groan, you will get a 'You heard several recognisable groans.' Secondly, you can now choose your type of groan. The Groans you can choose from are: Normal, Blood-Curdling, Mumbling, Sad and Happy. They still have a volume depending on how many survivors are there, (insert volume info here), just a different way of groaning, perhaps used a message sytem between Zombies attacking areas. | | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
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| The first bit would get you nice and shiny dupe votes, and the second bit is flavor that... probably wouldn't see a whole lot of use and cause more confusion than help. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 23:28, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| Firstly, the first part is a dupe of a suggestion I'm pretty sure was open only a week ago... The second part isn't so bad but I think it undermines the purpose of groaning (to allow zombies to find easier food) with flavour that, in the end, will mean the same thing: zombie sees survivor(s) and is alerting others around. It doesn't really need to be anything more than that. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:58, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| : Thats because I made it... [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 04:18, 27 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::I see. That doesn't make it any less of a dupe, though, you are just resubmitting your suggestion with an addition which, personally, I wouldn't vote for by itself, or with the prefix added on. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 04:16, 28 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 23:04, 23 July 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
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| |'''Description:''' Scent Chemicals is a new addition to the Scent tree, obviously. It is a sub-skill of Scent Trail, allowing you to follow the Scent of a Survivor recently revived or FAKked in the same block as you, not just one who has done something to you. You would get a message in your news saying 'Survivor X has a strange scent on them (4N 2E First Aid Kit/Syringe).' | | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
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| What does this suggestion actually accomplish, though? It's not as if there's a raging demand in the zombie community to know where the person who revived or scanned someone ''else'' has moved to, and it would make attempting to scan a zombie in a large horde virtual suicide unless the scanner was prepared to run quite a ways.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 23:10, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| : ''obviously''? Also, unneeded. Wouldn't be used by anyone. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}23:26, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| So if I am reading this correctly, when survivor A is healed/revived by survivor B, you can follow survivor A. First of all, how often is a survivor healed in front of a zombie? Also, this, unlike scent trail, is activated by someone else, so you would have no control over whether or not this would be in effect on your character. This is especially true if you are revived, in which case you have just lost 10 AP and are probably infected and then, on top of that, you have to escape the zombie hoard that surrounds you, many of whom can track you. Which leads to the next question, how far is this effect's range? You might want to limit its effect to the survivor that used the FAK/syringe (in the above example, survivor B).--[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 00:41, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| ===New Strain Needle=== | | ===Drone=== |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 23:04, 23 July 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' ''Scientists, realising that the older zombies have entered a later state of decay, have formulated a new Revivication Syringe, known as a New Strain Syringe, to cure it. This new syringe can do what no other can: Revive a Brain-Rotted Zombie.''Scientists, realising that the older zombies have entered a later state of decay, have formulated a new Revivication Syringe, known as a New Strain Syringe, to cure it. This new syringe can do what no other can: Revive a Brain-Rotted Zombie. Fortunately for the Rotters, these syringes are extremely difficult to make, requiring a powered Necrotech, and 30AP. Even then the New Strain is not entirely secured, as there is a 25% chance that you will fail at making the New Strain, resulting in a spent 30AP and a normal Syringe. The New Strain cannot be found. If you succeed at making a New Strain Syringe, you will get a message 'After much time and effort, you have created a New Vaccine for the Zombie Virus.' If you fail you recieve the message telling you 'All your time and effort has gone to waste, as you have only managed to recreate a normal Syringe.' Even though some of you will say 'You are an idiot. This totally nerfs Brain Rot,' it doesn't. At least not to me. After all, you will most likely go AP negative trying to create one of these, and the Zombies will target Necrotechs more because the lights on in there could mean people trying to create the New Syringe. | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
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| ====Discussion (New Strain Needle)==== | | ====Discussion (Drone)==== |
| "Even though some of you will say 'You are an idiot. This totally nerfs Brain Rot,' it doesn't. At least not to me." <br>Hint: It does. Not only that, but this is 100% abusable by zergs. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 23:13, 23 July 2009 (BST)
| | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
| :I'm not a raving fan of brain rot per se, but I can tell you that this definitely nerfs it. For just 10 extra AP, you're giving a syringe maker the power to revive a rotter from any location; multiply it times a billion and you'd have whole masses of scientists just sitting indoors, collecting rot needles, and then going on reviving sprees. Furthermore, if this ''doesn't'' nerf rot, then it has no point; since it certainly doesn't buff rot, it's either a nerf or useless. Sorry mate, them's the breaks. Also, >.< Edit Conflicts!{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 23:17, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::"It can do what no other syringe can do: revive a brain rotted zombie" = Not a Brain Rot Nerf. Hmmm... It doesn't quite piece together to me. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}23:24, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| Change this so the 'failed' syringes still appear to be the improved variant and I might be tempted to vote keep... but only if its use required a successful scan on the target rotter 1st. I would expect a chance for normal syringes to fail against rotters inside powered NT's as a quid pro quo type deal though. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:21, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :But what do you really get out of it in the end? Either you're nerfing rot, which screws with other people's skills, or you're having no net effect, which is pointless. This fills no gaping gameplay hole, and has no constructive end result.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:27, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :While I agree with Honestmistake, there is only one place I can see this coming into effect: getting rid a rotter clogging up a revive point (which I don't mind at all). Of course, it is only a temporary fix, because they can just commit suicide and get back in line. Other than that, the cost of making one of these really stops it from being a full on rot nerf, just through sheer amount of AP necessary to make and use one (120 AP on average to make one+ 10 AP to use=130 AP to revive rotter without chance to fail on-site) and if the changes that Honestmistake suggested are put into effect add the AP necessary to successfully scan the rotter (which is in my limited experience about 3AP). If anything, it will be underpowered to the point of uselessness. My suggestion would be to change it to 50% success rate and don't tell whether or not it is really the right syringe(60 AP to make+20 AP to use both the new one and the failed attempt+6 AP to scan the rotter(s)= 86 AP, with 25% chance to fail on-site). --[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 01:03, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::Just butting in to point out that it says 25% chance that you fail to make the improved syringe '''Not''' 25% chance that you succeed. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:11, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::But at the end of the day, what's the ''point''? Before we try to lower the number of reasons why we shouldn't do something, we should first find at least one why we should. Either a rot nerf or useless overcomplication, that still stands.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:06, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::I can think of a few points if my additions were made part of it... the 25% chance that your improved syringe is actually just a normal one means you could well be wasting about 45AP for no good reason... thats actually a buff for rot should people make a habit of using these to clear revive lines. On the other hand this would give survivors an instant (if not certain) way to clear Rotters from any where they need to... the uses in taking back malls, forts etc is pretty obvious here which is why I also say it should be further balanced by a percentage chance for rotters to have developed enough resistance to normal syringes that even powered NT revives are not certain.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:19, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| You are an idiot, this totally nerfs brain rot <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 15:45 24 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| I think a lot of people forget that it's easier to die than live. To live, somebody must revive you. To die, you simply have to jump out of a building. For that one specific reason, the dead will never be overcome by the living - the dead can always go right back to being dead. So, in my mind, this is not a nerf. That being said, however, I would propose that the New Strain Needle be very hard to make, and so I would only support it under your manufacture specs. Anyone who doesn't like it could, of course, just go die. -{{User:CaptainVideo/sig}} 02:47, 25 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Look, I don't care how easy it may, or may not be to die if revived. The fact remains that the '''only''' reason that anyone buys brain rot is ''so that you can't be revived'', unless you are in a very specific building (the powered necrotech building). This suggestion (and all others like it) removes the only reason all those brain rotted zombies bought the skill. Fuck that <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:32 26 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| ::In the end, then, you and I essentially agree about the effect but don't agree about the validity of the outcome. I think the rotters should have a reason to be afraid again - and you don't. Fair enough. -{{User:CaptainVideo/sig}} 04:00, 28 July 2009 (BST)
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| Okay... So you want it to have a 50% chance to make a Rotter reviving tool that you won't know you've got till you use, as well as a chance that Rotters aren't always revived in Powered Necrotechs? [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 04:29, 27 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 21:46, 21 July 2009 (BST) Edit: --[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 21:39, 22 July 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' Location: Auto Repair Shop (6% with lights;4% without lights; 1% in ruins) Fire Stations (5% with lights; 2.5% without lights; 1% in ruins), Mall Hardware Stores (6% with lights; 4% without lights; 1% in ruins),Police Departments (10% with lights; 5% without lights; 1% in ruins) | | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| Can be used to make it appear as if a building is lit on the mini map. This does not include when a survivor uses binoculars (the magnified vision allows them to see that it is not actually lit). These are LED flare lights, and thus do not have flames or fumes as a traditional road flare would.
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| If someone lights a flare, the message ''XXX placed a flare behind the windows'' or ''XXX placed flares on the street'' appears (depending on the situation).
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| The flare lasts 48 hours once lit. They can be taken down and subsequently destroyed or disabled (removing batteries, smashing, etc.). NO OTHER EFFECTS. The interior of the building will remain the same as if it were not lit, except for the message that there are flares in the windows. A flare on the street can also be destroyed/disabled. Destroying flares provides 0 XP to survivors and 1 XP to zombies.
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| I'm not entirely clear on the search system in UD, and the wiki was little help due to the amounts of conflicting/out-of-date/generally confusing information (and the fact that I'm lazy), but I felt the above ones were fairly reasonable. Any help from someone with a clearer understanding of that system would be appreciated. I just feel that it needs to be said one more time, in bold lettering, to ensure no confusion exist about the fact that '''this will not improve search rates or hit rates in any way''' --[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 21:48, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| I'm not big on misrepresentation or decoys, especially when they can't be removed for a fixed period of time. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 22:12, 21 July 2009 (BST)
| | Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point? |
| ::I could change it so that someone could destroy it with a weapon, or just throw it in the street next to them.--[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 04:20, 22 July 2009 (BST) | |
| :Also, who would ''want'' to do this. The only time I can see lights coming in to play are when zombies are looking for targets, and no survivor (the only person who can use this) would want to make their building a target. The other situation is for suburb reports, which this would mess with. Messing with suburb reports for newbies is not good.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:17, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::As far as who would want to, a lone survivor in a ruined suburb could use it to make a decoy, on the flip side, the moment the zombies in the area realized it was a decoy (due to the description) they would search the surrounding ruins for a survivor. The fixed period of time is relatively short (in Malton terms, assuming a player logs in once a day on average) so they couldn't have gotten too far, depending on how long the building was ruined and to what point it is 'caded. It could be changed so that binoculars could see them as flares, thus the status reporter helicopter could see that they were flares.--[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 04:20, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| :I'd consider rethinking this item as a weapon. Road flares look nothing like either incandescent or fluorescent light, and nobody ever uses them inside (they put off chemical smoke). Also, they only last for 30 minutes to an hour. No, I'd suggest you consider their possibilities in a more active role - perhaps a dangerous weapon that only works for a brief period of time. -{{User:CaptainVideo/sig}} 01:11, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::No one can see in or out of a building (for whatever reason), so saying that it could be mistaken for a light at a distance isn't too much of a stretch. I got nothing for fumes aside from "it is the zombie apocalypse, not real life" (bad excuse), or one could use their imagination (like with free running). As for a weapon, it could be essentially a melee flare gun. Any thoughts on that? --[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 04:20, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::You don't need to use your imagination with free running. It's a real thing.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 11:01, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::Good luck.--[[User:Bonghit420|Agunin_Anoven]] 04:25, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| Don't make it a weapon... it will get shot down :) As for a light source, it might work if you drop its duration down to 24 hours and call it a chemical light. Those things can glow for hours and produce no smoke. They are pretty light and increasingly common. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:08, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| :You're probably right as far as a weapon goes, it would just be another flare gun. It could be changed into a LED light signal, those things are pretty bright and could last longer than a standard road flare. Not to mention it wouldn't present the whole "toxic fumes" problem that was brought up by CaptainVideo. If I did change it to 24 hours, there would be a good chance that no one would see it, and by the time this is finalized, they will be able to be removed. In fact I'll just do that right now. --[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 21:31, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::As per your changes, what does this even do? I see nothing, other than the pointless building decoy method you previously mentioned, which no smart survivor woudl do. All I see that this would do, in a very rare situation, is a PKer/ Death cultist putting one in a ruin that survivors are hiding in to alert zombies.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 11:10, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::Actually I think a lot of survivors would use these in an attempt to decoy zombies so my main concern would be wasting zombie AP... on the whole though I think there use as "bread crumbs" to lead zombies to easy targets would balance it out. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::::The "bread crumb" use was part of the whole point of this. Yes, a death cultist could use them to alert zombies to a survivor presence, or they could be used as a signal that a building was taken and needs a genny, or could be used to draw zombies from a more important target. They could be used to make a zombie player think that no one was in the building at all and check the surrounding ruins for a survivor that is not there. This would especially play a role in a siege environment so that survivors could draw in zombies and slow them from reaching the core of a 'burb, but the zombies would be pounding at their doors, and they would have the no access to the advantages of a genny. The uses of the item are endless, however it is not imbalanced in one direction or the other, because it simply alerts those outside that there is a flare in the window, and zombie players could figure out that it is a decoy, turning their attention pointedly away from it and towards other targets. It lights up a building without the need for 30% encumbrance, but that comes at the price of having all the attention of a genny, without the light granted by it.--[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 21:36, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::::No, it's uses aren't endless. It can be used as a decoy, that's it. Rather ineffectively too. If you want a cheap decoy, give a building a quick 2ap repair, and zombies will flock to it. As I'm presently repairing a ruined suburb with my main account, I can tell you that i would never use this.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:59, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::Plenty of players never use the radio and consider it nothing but useless span. A lot of folk ignore flares and groans as pointless. Many, many players never bother with clothing (or indeed descriptions... the lazy fucks!) However just because a lot of players wouldn't find use in this (or any of those others) does not make them useless. I would use these, I would use em even more if they were colored but thats a different matter, and I suspect may others would use em too. Question really is; would you vote kill or even spam just because you wouldn't use em? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:05, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::in all of the cases you gave, the Majority DO use them. This suggestion would be used by a minority, and only by one side. It would annoy both sides, and survivors currently have a perfectly acceptable technique for setting decoys in a ruined area. If the area was ruined, you wouldn't be able to find these to use them. --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:06, 24 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::First of all, in a ruined suburb you can't find toolboxes, but you still use them, you can't find FAK's in a ruined suburb, but you still use them (I think you get the point). ANY item will only be used by survivors, that's is one of the advantages to being alive in UD, you can use items. It is simply attracting more attention to a building, because there is a shade of difference between ruined and repaired buildings. A lit building will stand out better, and will attract attention even in a suburb that is not necessarily ruined. Yes, there is a current way to set a decoy. This is a different way to set a decoy, and this decoy can stand out in more than just ruined suburbs. Also, try to not make claims based only on your personal opinion. I will not say that it will be used by a majority of people in UD, I have no basis for that, but I would ask that you do not start making sweeping generalizations over its use when the item is not even in the game and six people, including the author, have even posted a comment on it.--[[User:Uberursa|Uberursa]] 05:53, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::::A minority is less than half. So, unless survivors and zombies use it, it's used by a minority. And this would do NOTHING in a ruined suburb. At present, lit ruined buildings don't show up. So, in a ruined suburb, this would be useless. And honestly, what survivor would set a decoy in a non-ruined suburb?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 14:31, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::::Groups that do not use meta game maps. Survivor X says to survivors Y & Z that he is going south to start ruin repairs and will m,ark his targets with these. They can then follow when next they log on and will have a much greater chance of spotting where he is and thus keeping an eye (and FAK's) on him while he wakes up.
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| ::::::::::: Likewise a scout marks his path with these so that his group can follow or a group use these to mark their territory or to show zeds that they have invaded theirs. There are lots of uses for this, all of them are pretty marginal but they are still uses. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 17:55, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::::::Thanks for not listening to me about ruined buildings being unaffected by these. I really wanted to repeat myself. Also, thank '''so much''' for forgetting that some buildings around an unruined area will actually have generators already, completely destroying the other uses you just mentioned. Absolutely lovely work there, because I really enjoy pointing out the insane obviousness of this situation.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:32, 26 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Kakashi on crack|Kakashi on crack]] 21:26, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' ''Pack Rats have been seen in buildings recently carrying too many things to even move, these have become easy prey to the phycotic maniacs and thieves throughout Malton...''
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| ====Discussion (Over encumbered)==== | | ====Discussion (Backpack)==== |
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| Honestly?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:19, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Alright then, you asked for it. 300%? You do realise that 100% means "Complete", "Maximum", etc. You can't have more than 100%. It's illogical. Then, there's the matter of everything about this idea being completely insane.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:19, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::Depends on how you want to define 100%. It ''could'' mean the maximum weight someone can carry comfortably without penalty. Or it could very well mean the maximum any one person can carry. Having said that, no I don't think we need Survivors being able to carry 300%, so I'd have to vote kill on this. Maybe if the author worked up a penalty system that worked ''within'' 100%. But Survivors would shit a cow over that so...probably dead in the water.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>22:41 20 July 2009(BST)</tt>
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| :::what the fuck is going on here?--[[User:Bonghit420|Agunin_Anoven]] 23:15, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| You're '''''still''''' on crack. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 23:33, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| Still on crack, but that won't stop me from writeing a sugestion a day to keep the moderators away XD (of course I haven't got anything big planned, heh, maybe I should put project T.O.G. in here for the hell of it to see how everyone reacts XD --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Kakashi on crack]] 06:45, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| :This idea sucks big time, go kill yourself.--[[User:Bonghit420|Agunin_Anoven]] 07:51, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| He's just hating cus I forgot to post a siggy and he won't let it go XD --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Crazy Hobo Man]] 08:29, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| :Keep your dumb ideas off the wiki, this suggestion sucks so much ass. Not only are you on crack, but your fucking dumb. Take your computer and throw it out the window, PLEASE.--[[User:Bonghit420|Agunin_Anoven]] 22:57, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::There's no need to be insulting just because you don't like the suggestion. You're so badly overreacting that you just make yourself look like an idiot.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:15, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| Ignoring the fact that we can't currently find anything once we reach 100% encumbrance, this suggestion seems contradictory in part. If you have a 30% chance of loosing an item once you reach 100% you are very unlikely to ever reach 300%. Stuff would be getting "stolen" as quick as you'd find it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 22:24 21 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :According to [[Search Odds| this page,]] the average search rate is 20%. That means that with each search over 100%, there's a 20% chance of an item being gained, and a 30% chance of an item being lost. Over, that means that you are 1.5 times more likely to lose an item than you are to gain one.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:51, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::However, in a powered mall with bargain hunting, the average becomes 50%. This means that you are 1.6 times more likely to find something than to lose something. Therefore, every 2 search would give you an item, whereas every 3(.33) would make you lose one. (For ease, we'll say that for every 10 turns, you lose 3 items, and every 10 turns, you gain 5). This means that in one 50AP day, you could gain 10 items. The average encumbrance is probably about 4%, so that would mean +40% in one day. From 100%, you could achieve 300% (and thus death) in 5 days.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:58, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| :::That search odds page is woefully out of date. Regardless, given the nerfs that he kicks in at 100%, it's very unlikely anyone would sit there searching, unless they were trying to die. It's a needlessly complicated suggestion, that could achieve it's goal with one nerf... but given that we already can't find anything once we reach the 100% limit, it's all a bit pointless, really <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 15:56 24 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :Apart from the fact that if your encumerence is over 100% you can't pick anything else up. Which seems to be a major flaw with this suggestion. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:47, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::I would assume that he's suggesting butchering that.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 19:03, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| [[Suggestions_Dos_and_Do_Nots#AP.2C_Inventory.2C_Skills.2C_and_Barricades|Leave Other People's Inventory Alone]]. This doesn't make the game more fun, no one would use it and it would just be a pain in the arse for survivors.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:12, 23 July 2009 (BST)
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| ===Item Giving===
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| '''time: --[[User:Catachan|Catachan]] 15:04, 19 July 2009 (BST)'''
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| '''name: [user: Catachan]
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| '''type: Player-to-Player interactions'''
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| '''scope: survivors'''
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| '''description:'''-- As the title suggests, players may give items they do not require to another person that can use the item. For example, a person who gets a toolbox and does not have construction may give a person with the construction skill his toolbox. It may also work if the player does not wish to have an item he can use, such as a weapon.
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| Doesn't really need a huge explanation, due to the fact the title pretty much gives you all you need to know.
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| ====Discussion (Item Giving)====
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| {{SDW|29 July 2009 at 21:21 (BST)}}
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| This is a massive dupe. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 15:08, 19 July 2009 (BST)
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| As DDR. Sorry but mechanics for moving items in between characters have been suggested many many times before. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 15:12, 19 July 2009 (BST)
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| This could work really well.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 15:17, 19 July 2009 (BST)
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| :lollllllll --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 15:17, 19 July 2009 (BST)
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| This is going to face the usual opposition: abusable by zergs. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 15:20, 19 July 2009 (BST)
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| [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|Giving is bad]], m'kay <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 15:27 19 July 2009 (BST)</small>
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| The problem is that this is easily abuseable (as pointed out above). Higher level characters can search, more easily, for the "good stuff" (syringes, faks, guns and ammo) to hand off to the player's lower level alts.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 19:38, 19 July 2009 (BST)
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| Why the fuck do you suggest this?--[[User:Bonghit420|Agunin_Anoven]] 23:16, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| Agunin, this is called a '''SUGGESTION''' page. It's for suggesting ideas. Now, I'm sorry this is a problem suggestion, but for christ's sakes, keep it nice in the future (aimed at Agunin_Anoven. Everyone else is alright).--[[User:Catachan|Catachan]] 23:40, 20 July 2009 (BST)
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| :To be honest i think this is the nicest i've ever seen such an dupity/bad suggestion get rejected. So be [[ALiM|thankful]]! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:29, 21 July 2009 (BST)
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| ::Was AliM really needed? ;) {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}21:21, 22 July 2009 (BST)
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| ==Suggestions up for voting==
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| ===[[Suggestion:20090713 Groan Identification|Groan Identification]]===
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| This suggestion is now up for voting. Its discussion has been moved to its [[Suggestion talk:20090713 Groan Identification|talk page]].{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>09:33 13 July 2009(BST)</tt>
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