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| ==Developing Suggestions==
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| ''This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''
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| ===Further Discussion=== | | ===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast=== |
| *Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
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| *Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general, including policies about it, takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].
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| ==Please Read Before Posting==
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| *'''Be sure to check <big>[[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]]</big> and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.''' You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''': a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/19th-Nov-2005#Sniper_Rifle|Sniper Rifles]].'''
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| *Users should be aware that page is discussion oriented. Other users are free to express their own point of view and are not required to be neutral.
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| *If you decide not to take your suggestion to voting, please remove it from this page to avoid clutter.
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| *It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
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| *''After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes '''before''' suggesting alterations.''
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| ==How To Make a Suggestion==
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| ===Adding a New Suggestion===
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| *Copy the code in the box below.
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| *<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&action=edit§ion=7 Click here to begin editing.]</span> This is the same as clicking the [edit] link to the right of the [[Developing Suggestions#Suggestions|Suggestions]] header.
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| *Paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, right under the heading.
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| *Substitute the text in <font color="red">RED CAPITALS</font> with the details of your suggestion.
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| <nowiki>{{subst:DevelopingSuggestion
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| |name=</nowiki><font color="red">SUGGESTION NAME</font><nowiki>
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| |type=</nowiki><font color="red">TYPE HERE</font><nowiki>
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| |scope=</nowiki><font color="red">SCOPE HERE</font><nowiki>
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| |description=</nowiki><font color="red">DESCRIPTION HERE</font><nowiki>
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| *'''Name''' - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
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| *'''Type''' is the nature of the suggestion, such as a ''new class'', ''skill change'', ''balance change'', etc. Basically: '''What is it?''' and '''Is it new, or a change?'''
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| *'''Scope''' is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically ''survivors'' or ''zombies'' (or both), but occasionally ''Malton'', the game ''interface'' or something else.
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| *'''Description''' should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.
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| ===Cycling Suggestions===
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| *Suggestions with no new discussion in the past two days should be given a warning notice. This can be done by adding {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section, where <font color="darkred">date</font> is the day the suggestion will be removed.
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| *Suggestions with no new discussion in the past week may be removed.
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| *If you are adding a comment to a suggestion that has the warning template please remove the {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section to show that there is still ongoing discussion.
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| This page is prone to breaking when the page gets too long, so sometimes suggestions still under discussion will be moved to the [[Developing Suggestions/Overflow1|Overflow page]], so the discussion can continue.
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| <span style="font-size:1.75em; color:red">'''Please add new suggestions to the top of the list'''</span>
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| ==Suggestions==
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| ===Voluntary Character Deletion===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 16:53, 16 September 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Okay, I typed here. Now what? | | |'''Type:''' UI enhancement |
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| |'''Description:''' "Obviously I can make new characters for the future and to complete the piece I wanted to do, however it has cost me character name that I quite liked, and I the owner apparently get no say over this. Unlike Nexus War I can't delete this guy and then have the same name again." | | |'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked. |
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| Iscariot brought up a valid point, if not the one he was making a suggestion about. Some players might want to reuse names, or just accumulate too many characters they won't use again. Why not implement a voluntary character self-delete feature so players can reuse character names and rid the database of old characters they won't be using anymore? It'd be a button on the settings page, not the regular player action interface, and if you pressed it you'd get two warnings, each very explicit, telling you you're about to delete your character and what the ramifications are. If you proceed with character deletion, the character is erased and you're forwarded to the UD main page. It's not necessarily a crucial feature, as I assume abandoned characters are regularly deleted anyway, but it might be convenient for instances where players are attached to a particular name and want to switch cities or just start over with it.
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| ====Discussion (Voluntary Character Deletion)==== | | ====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)==== |
| It took you longer to type that than it did for me to find [[Suggestion:20070613_Manual_Character_Deletion|this]]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:57, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| So, my PKer who's KOS on the rogues gallery decides to delete himself. User B comes along, and enters my PKer's name for their name. My character has been deleted, so they can use it. They're walking around Malton, and are continually attacked by Bounty Hunters, for no real reason. --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 16:58, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| :If the RG then proceed to make allowances for this, my PKer who's KOS can now delete himself, and start a new account, with no Bounty. Flawed, as all character deletion.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 16:58, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 21:37, 15 September 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' New weapon type | | |'''Type:''' Map change |
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| |'''Description:''' | | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
| There would be a new type of weapons, Explosives. '''PLEASE DON'T DUPE THIS; THIS IS A BALANCED AOE ATTACK.''' Explosives attack the target at 25% accuracy, and then attacks four other random targets for 20% accuracy. The target list has 3 players of the same "side" as the target (zombie or human) and 1 target on the opposite side as the target. (If a zombie is attacked with an explosive, three other zombies will be attacked, and 1 human will be attacked.) There is also a 20% chance that the explosive will fail, doing 5 damage to the attacker instead. | |
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| *Molotov Cocktails (encumbrance 12%): A survivor with the skill, "Chemistry" (a scientist skill) can build Molotov Cocktails out of Fuel Cans and Wine bottles for 1 AP, and throw it for another AP. Damage: 5.
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| *Dynamite (encumbrance 15%): can be installed in buildings. When installed, it takes the Dynamite out of your inventory and gives you the item, ''<nowiki>Fuse [x,y]</nowiki>''. You can only use it when adjacent to the target building. It ransacks the building by three levels and targets a random player inside. Dynamite can be removed from a building the same way generators are attacked. Damage: 10.
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| *Stun Grenade (encumbrance 7%): Uses the same mechanics as Molotovs, but cannot be dropped from buildings, and is found rather than made. In order to balance with Molotov, the search rates would require 11 AP to find a grenade in PDs, and 9 AP for Armouries. Damage: 10.
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| **Advanced Chemistry - allows you to make Dynamite inside of powered Factories for 10 AP.
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| ====Discussion (Explosives)==== | | ====Discussion (Shrink the map)==== |
| {{User:Lelouch/Secret Research Submarine/Launch Bay/Bay Three|Pure spam; useless, overpowered and game-breaking. Just saying "it's not spam" doesn't stop it from sucking.}}
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| :Why is it overpowered? An [[trenchie|inexperienced user]] could end up hurting themselves. And you supported an earlier explosive attack, which I have tried to emulate while maintaining originality. --{{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 01:07, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::I already explained that your idea sucks; you keep making these shitty ideas, and I'm tired of patently wasting my fingers away explaining why your shitty broken suggestions are crap. The above template says everything you need to know.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:20, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::So, basically, this suggestion makes it that only high-level players get an unfair advantage, and newbies are screwed. --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 07:15, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| First of all, be prepared for a s***storm because this is an AoE weapon. Second, it is better in every way to search for a stun grenade and use it than to make a Molotov because the Molotov first, take a fuel can, then find wine, drink it, make cocktail, throw. I don't even have to do the math to tell that the grenade is more AP-efficient. Also, finding things is based on [[search rates]], not on how much AP you spend searching.
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| Dynamite is simply a bad idea. We do not encourage survivors to do things that would hurt other survivors. Dynamite is a griefing tool that would occasionally be used to make a hiding place (maybe). Get rid of it.
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| This leaves the cocktail, which isn't too bad, all things considered. An issue would be the combining, which could be achieved by having a person click on the wine bottle. The high encumbrance plus a skill to use it is fairly good balancing. The trouble is that has the potential to do 25 damage, but that is spread out among five targets. Instead of having hit X number of zombies and Y number of survivors, just let the RNG handle it so that there is more of a discouragement to use it. another issue will be the XP from it, which could max out at 50 XP per attack in its current form. Personally, I would only have the XP from the original target get counted so it would be little better than a pistol XP wise.--[[User:Uberursa | Uberursa]]<sup>this bear wants honey</sup> 22:38, 15 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Here's my idea on how to create Molotovs. You wouldn't have to drink the wine, it would be assumed that you empty it during the creation process. For survivors with the "Chemistry" skill, there would be a button, "Create Molotov." --{{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 01:07, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| I skimmed this. Two things, first, I don't know what you're drinking but wine doesn't burn. Looking at my alcohol shelf I see anything from 12% to 19% ABV, this doesn't light. Secondly, are you actually under the delusion that this is going to help survivors more than hurting them? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:09, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| I have a better idea. Make it a bomb vest, 20% encumbrance found in churches and cathedrals at a 5% search rate. Using a bomb vest takes 1 AP and consumes the bomb vest, and automatically kills the user (who requires an extra 40 AP to stand up, to 41 with Ankle Grab, 50 without). It has 100% chance to hit on everybody (both survivors and zombies) in the same block (in the building if the user is indoors, outdoors if they're outside), and does 25 damage to each, reduced to 20 with a flak jacket or Flesh Rot. This would be excellent for clearing large mobs of zombies out. To ensure this isn't put to nefarious uses, when you find a bomb vest, you get a little prompt reading ''<nowiki>"Are you a PKer or zombie spy? [Y/N] (PKers and zombie spies: no lying)"</nowiki>''. Checking Y causes you to drop the bomb vest automatically, and deals 1 damage as a hand appears out of nowhere and slaps you on the wrist for being naughty. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 02:46, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| :I lol'd!--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 02:57, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| First of all, why the fuck do you keep doing all these multi-suggestions? Secondly, it would help if you did some RESEARCH.
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| *Molotov: We have [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_Weapon#Molotov_Cocktails Molotovs] in Peer Review, for starters. Why would a molotov take up 6 times as much encumberance as a wine bottle? Why do you need a skill to make one? You DO understand the point of a molotov, right?
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| *Dynamite: No traps. No attacking through barricades. No survivor ransacking..
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| *Stun Grenade: Why would a stun grenade do damage?
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| Do you stop and think about these things before you post or do you just throw it up on the wiki immediately?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:14, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| Oh shit, we need to vote for this. I'm gonna grief the shit out of people.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 16:43, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| I am not amused. "Tried to emulate" You flat out ripped off the better features of my idea, and by making this suggestion (which is at best half made itself) without the real thought or length it should have had makes all the other AoE suggestions look shittier. However one good thing has come of this, you have galvanized me into finalizing my Pipe bomb MK2 idea. Okay now onto why the suggestion itself is bad,
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| *'''WHERE THE HELL ARE THE SEARCH RATES?''' Look, unless all of these items can be created (impossible) you need to have your search rates up and posted with your items.
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| *'''WHY THE HELL IS THERE TRI-NITRO-TOLUENE IN A CITY?''' Really, why on earth would there be ingredients and equipment for making TNT in the middle of a city? Think about these things first, please.
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| *'''IF YOU ARE MAKING TNT HOW THE HELL ARE YOU STORING THE NITRO/SULFURIC ACID/OLEUM?''' Really now, do you have any idea how difficult/dangerous it is to make that stuff?
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| *'''IT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, BUT WHY THE HELL IS A STUN GRENADE DOING DAMAGE?''' Dude, a flashbang is blinding and very loud, but doesn't do damage equivalent to a shotgun blast.
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| *'''WHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED SKILL AS A CHEMIST TO POUR FUEL IN A BOTTLE AND THROW IT?''' A molotov is meant to be easy to use, and to not require any particular skills.
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| More "Why the hells" as warranted. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 17:57, 16 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 11:39, 11 September 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
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| |'''Type:''' Loud! | | |'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate |
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| |'''Description:''' We do not have silenced weapons so... Why not implement a gunshot sound? When someone shots, it can be heard in radius of 4 clicks, for example. Silent when shot indoor. That would attract zombies and could inform survivors that something is happening. Still it does not dupe [[Flare#Flare_Gun|flares]] because the range is smaller. And using flare is a clear signal, gunshots would just indicate a battle. And would add some climate... | | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
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| This idea is like soviet communism: it ''looks great on paper'', but doesn't play well in reality. If you implimented this, people who had been away for 24/h would log in to see '''every''' shot fired within four blocks; too much screen spam.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 13:33, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| :True, therefore it could be made in less ''spamish'' way. For example, it woild just indicate: ''You hear gunshots in the north. You hear gunshots in the north east.'' it is difficult to identify exact position of a gunshot, though. Descriptions ''and again ... and again... '' would not apply to it. So, maximum amount of messages that you would receive is 8, in case there is a big gunfight around. And if so, it is sensible that you hear it and can react. Sounds better? [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 18:34, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::No, because that's just useless. Any time more than a single gun-based attack occurs (and often then), you'll probably have at least 8 shots going off. This means that if you log off for 24 hours and someone shoots azombie an hour after that, you'll have no way to hear any other shots for the next 23 hours. It's either spamtacular or useless, since gunshots are usually found huge amounts, or not at all.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:45, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| Well there is [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20070627_gunshots this] in Peer Rejected.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:55, 12 September 2009 (BST) Also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestions/9th-Apr-2006#Echoes_of_Gunfire this].--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:04, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| See, this would make sense in a normal, zombie-free suburb. Of course you'd hear the gunshots. But when you take into account that Malton really is a warzone, gunshots wouldn't at all be out of the norm. Hell, it'd probably be more alarming to not hear gunshots, if anything. But, thanks for the thought. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 06:36, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 10:55, 11 September 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' When you log in after more than 12 hours, It might happen that your character has fallen asleep. So when you log in, in the description you sometimes could get a random message like: You were dreaming that you were a zombie, You were dreaming about a new shotgun, You were dreaming about cherry pudding... 200 random short messages, that would be crated by wiki users on some "dream suggestion page" how about it? | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
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| ====Discussion (Sweet dreams...)==== | | ====Discussion (Drone)==== |
| | | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
| Just to start the discussion... what a ''marvellous'' idea! Bravo me! [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 18:40, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| :I think it's a dupe, can anyone back this up?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:46, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| Actually, characters fall asleep when they run out of AP.--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 19:03, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Exactly, the point is to add the dream description from time to time. The conditions, 12h as I said, or 0 AP as Orange says, and what sounds good for me, might be discussed later. [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 01:02, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| Text Spam.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:36, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| Assuming for a moment that this is not a humorous suggestion, you would probably want to put a little tick box that would allow a player to turn this off. Or something. --[[User:Uberursa | Uberursa]]<sup>this bear wants honey</sup> 16:08, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| Flavour is good. I propose the chance of it happening be small though (2% per night maybe) and the number of dreams be very large, so as not to begin to irritate players with the repetitive messages. The option to turrn it off might be good as well. Maybe a random windfall of 10XP to go along with some dreams? Though that will probably annoy someone somewhere. --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 14:40, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Sleeping should not teach you how to leap between buildings or diagnose medical injuries.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:12, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| :: "You dream you are standing in sort of sun-god robes on top of a pyramid while thousands of screaming naked women throw little pickles at you. You gain 10XP"! Funny, but really now... Lelouch is right, You can't learn how to do surgery by dreaming. Other than that I think it would be cool, I'm all in favor of flavor.-[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 17:14, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::: Yeah, well, killing zombies shouldn't teach you how to jump across buildings or learn surgery either, but it happens. Seriously, I'm in favor of this, it's not essential but its fun.--[[User:Johnny Yossarian|Johnny Yossarian]] 01:22, 15 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::Amen. And LOL. --{{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 22:45, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| I agree: a big dream nubmer and a small chance of having it. I agree with Lelouch about XP (no XP). [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 20:22, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| I don't think people are actually asleep. He just needed something to say when you run out of AP.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:04, 14 September 2009 (BST)
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| : Er... That makes zero sense. If survivors never slept then 85% of the survivor population would be having very serious side effects, you know hallucinations, blackouts, cerebral decay... Hey wait, maybe there never were zombies, maybe we are all just suffering from sleep deprivation! Everybody sleeps, it's what makes the 12 hour 24 AP cycle make sense. -- {{Unsigned|Devorac|15:47, 14 September 2009}}
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| ::Serious side effects? What? Like being immune to fatal damage? [[:Image:NegativeAP.png|Blacking out for days at a time?]] That sort of thing? Try staying awake for four years, you'll develop similar abilities, I promise. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:57, 15 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::WTF? Sleeping is a '''given''' like eating and taking a shit. My point was that he needed something simple to throw in rather than just saying "your out of ap, come back later". Or did you REALLY think people are only active for 5-10 minutes out of every day? I'd imagine that would be just as bad as your "side effects" for not sleeping.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:55, 15 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Bucz|Bucz]] 20:17, 9 September 2009 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' A short text would be added to the description to the environment, like "The sun is shining", "Quite cold today", "Foggy". It would change once a day. A script would check a real weather in some place of the real (without zombies) world and set up a text upon the real weather there.
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| It would not affect a game itself, just would add some Role Play... Only if fog appears, in The City would appear also fog (that mechanism is already implemented).
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| Zombies are dead and cold, so they would not get indicators related to the temperature.
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| ====Discussion (Weather indicator)====
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| This same idea has been put forth before. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 20:28, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| Nice flavour.--[[User:Maps|Maps]] 20:35, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| :[[Suggestion:20070628_Weather|Yeah]], but it just never got around to being implemented. :c --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 21:16, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| Not that difficult to implement it, though. At lest in the basic form. Just weather, without day/night stuff.-- [[User:Bucz|Bucz]] 23:05, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| :With or without day/night, it'd be fairly easy, yeah. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 23:09, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| Here http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/results.html?query=providence for example it is all given almost ready to use. -- [[User:Bucz|Bucz]] 09:12, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| If the '''AUTHOR''' is interested, I have just made a simple tiny script that returns real weather descriptions based on the page that I have just sent. Exemplary descriptions:
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| Passing clouds, warm.
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| Passing clouds, cool.
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| Scattered clouds, chilly.
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| Scattered showers, cool.
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| Fog, mild. Passing clouds, cool.
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| Scattered clouds, refreshingly cool.
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| Broken clouds, warm.
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| Please contact in case you are interested. I would be delighted to help. [[User:Bucz|Bucz]] 18:28, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| :[[Suggestions_Dos_and_Do_Nots#Arguing_for_Your_Suggestion]], bullet two. That said, putting it to a vote will probably get it duped. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 20:43, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| Thanks for remembering the rules, no arguing, just suggesting that I can help : ) [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 10:50, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| :'''Modification:''' weather would affect the gameplay itself. If there is a ''fog'' - a fog in the game appears. if there is ''hot'' or ''extremely hot'', all the zombies infect by their bite. What do you think about it? [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 19:13, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::Too game-breaking; weather should just be weather. We don't need wierd buffs or spontaneously appearing/disappearing infections because the sun is out somewhere...{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:20, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| :::You don't want the weather to affect game play? I'd imagine it would depend on the conditions, but be something minor. "Very hot" days, for example, the scent skills could be "improved" by 1 square.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:48, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::::Nobody needs spontaneous infections... at least he is not a zombie : ) Good idea with the scent. And the message indicating it: ''The smell of the bodies is unbearable'' or something like that. The point is that those special effects would appear from time to time, 10-20 days a year I suppose. Rules of the game wouldn't change drastically every day : ) [[User:Bucz|-- Bucz]] 10:16, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| :::::Or maybe we shouldn't give weird nonsensical buffs?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:37, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| :::::I'm not saying infections. I just think we could come up with some minor weather effects. I don't think a 1 square increase to the scent skills would be very significant. The question is double. What happens in the other weather conditions? And what are the affects for zombies AND survivors? A hot day may increase scent range, but what does it do for survivors? Or even SHOULD it do anything for survivors?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 21:32, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::No, because it shouldn't do anything for zombies.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:48, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::So weather should NOT affect the game. Gotcha.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:42, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Bucz, I'd like a copy of that script. Just post on my talk page. --{{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 22:13, 14 September 2009 (BST)
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| Does anyone actually read that shit after the first few times of playing? I would think most people log in, see if they are still alive, and then go do what they are going to do. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 22:55, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| :That's the reason for including some kind of in game affect.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:05, 14 September 2009 (BST)
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| If (big if) there was a thirst or hunger related game change then maybe hot weather makes hunger/thirst come faster, and cold weather makes it go slower. --{{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 22:11, 14 September 2009 (BST)
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| :[[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots#Writing New Suggestions|If there was a giant ice cream]] in the middle of Malton then maybe hot weather makes the ice cream melt faster, and cold weather makes it melt slower. If you are butthurt because no one likes your suggestions, don't connect them with other suggestions to get them passed. --{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 22:32, 14 September 2009 (BST)
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| ::Ja man, he be speakin' wisdom.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 23:30, 14 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Bucz|Bucz]] 20:07, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' First of all, I know that AP suggestions might be dropped quickly, but nevertheless I post It. | | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| When you log in, you loose one AP. Try to log-in, log-out and ten log-in again. From time to time I would like to know if my character is still standing or if someone had replied to me without loosing 1AP. In case I would like to check it 4x daily, I loose 4AP.
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| Technically, it would be achieved just by adding AP = AP + 1 when logging (am I right?). Other thing is that the traffic would increase. If the server would be able to handle current refresh rate x 2 I think that it should not be any problem, in case that we assure somehow (suggestions?) that most of the people won't click refresh every 3 seconds.
| | Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies? |
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| ====Discussion (No AP log-in cost)====
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| No you don't lose an AP from logging in - if you are, something may be wrong with your browser, though I find even that suspect. The [[Hit Limit|IP hits]] limit already exists to control how much server bandwidth a player eats, and you can refresh by hitting the "graffiti" or "speak" button with no text entered into them. Failing that, there are some UI mods that add a refresh button, and failing that, just go to your profile and hit "back to the city." --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 20:11, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| :?zoom. Refresh button built in. ;) {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}08:00, 11 September 2009 (BST)
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| Dupe of in game. ;D --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 15:55, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| This has pretty much been answered, search for 'actions via question marks' and compare it to your log in code to find out what's going on. IP limit is different to AP and one is not dependant on the other. Personally I think certain things are wrong with the implementation of the IP limits, but that's a different gripe. To recheck your surroundings without performing an action or installing an add-on I recommend pressing Buy Skills and then Back To City. Just remember which character you're playing, I've almost bought Brain Rot with a few characters when I was half asleep at my computer. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:40, 12 September 2009 (BST)
| | A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away. |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Sorakairi/sig}} 23:05, 8 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' For anyone who actually knows, I took the name from a great PS1 game. Anyway. This makes 2 new skills. Trap Runner, which is a sub-skill of Free Running, and Trapper, which can possibly be a Zombie Hunter skill or just a Military skill.
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| Trapper allows Humans to create different traps by using a combination of both Items in their Inventory and items found in the building, with different flavor depending on where you set your Trap e.g. ''You set up an elaborate Fire Axe trap on the door. The next person to enter from the street will set it off''. Or ''Taking your pistol, you set up a Trap to fire it at the next person who enters from the outside''. Whenever a Zombie enters through the door, their message would be something like A Human Trap is set off as you enter. You take X amount of damage. There is a 75% chance that the player entering the building will be affected by the trap. Not being affected would give you a message along the lines of As you enter the building, a Trap is set off. Fortunately, it is misaimed, and you aren’t hurt. This would use up the Trap, and there is only one Trap per building. Traps can only be set in certain buildings. I haven’t thought of which ones, so please suggest some. It would cost 10AP to set up a Trap.
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| Possible Traps include: A Fire Axe Trap – Does 3 Damage, Needs a Fire Axe. A Pistol Trap – Does 5 Damage, Needs a Pistol. Shotgun Trap – does 6 Damage, Needs a Shotgun. Mêlée Trap – does between 1 and 4 damage, Requires a Mêlée Weapon.
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| • 10 AP to create Trap.
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| • Useable only once, then destroyed.
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| ====Discussion (Trap Runner)====
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| No auto-attacks that can do damage without warning. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 23:17, 8 September 2009 (BST)
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| It is also a dupe.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:46, 9 September 2009 (BST) | | A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies. |
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| Auto-attacks are a pretty big no, sorry. Plus, survivors are pretty overpowered as it is, they don't really need another upgrade, so. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 07:45, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| I hate item-combining suggestions. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 15:57, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| This is a dupe of various trap suggestions, I've even seen Shotgun traps in my day. The problem is the nature of the beast, there are no NPCs in this game, there are no ways of taking damage (infection excepted) without doing it yourself or having another player in the same square as you and open to attack.
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| The other problem is the nature of targeting, just a guess, but I'm betting our suggester doesn't want this to hurt helpful, white hat wearing survivors. Inanimate lumps of metal don't differentiate between good and evil, light and dark and democrat and arsehole.
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| The major problem as regards the status quo is that it could force zombies to mega horde to gain a breach in certain buildings or risk being killed on entry and be removed by ?dump bots, I'm looking at certain malls and forts while I say this. Forcing players to exclusively work together or achieve nothing forces the game into a boring stasis, see Nexus War. UD is the champion of the feral and the lone survivor, suggestion shouldn't hurt them. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:47, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| Oh god no! I'm gonna assume that only one trap can be rigged to a door otherwise this idea is even more silly.Auto attacks, NPC's are a big no no. -- [[User:Alex1guy|Alex1guy]] 10:19, 13 September 2009 (BST)
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| ===Slight gesture change===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 17:40, 7 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' Just a few slight changes to the UD flailing gesture taunts and such...
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| 1. zombies can point at that dead corpse on the ground, doesn't seem like a big deal and I couldn't find it...
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| 2. zombie can point a graffiti on the wall, also not a big deal but still has its usefullness
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| ====Discussion (Slight gesture change)==== | | ====Discussion (Backpack)==== |
| I agree with this suggestion. Also, scope is who or what it effects, and type is flavour / skill, etc. For you, it would be flavour.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:50, 7 September 2009 (BST)
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| Why not? :-) --{{User:Brainguard/Sig}} 20:13, 7 September 2009 (BST)
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| Don't see any harm.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:37, 8 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Wait, can zombies point to a ''specific'' corpse? If so, that could affect anonymity...{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:38, 8 September 2009 (BST)
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| Graffiti part is a [[Suggestion:20071214 Gesture to Graffiti|dupe]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] 08:39, 8 September 2009 (BST)
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| I really haven't seen a zombie point at anything but the barricades, actually... Though, in any case, there isn't anything wrong with it. Even if specific corpses could be pointed at. No affect on anonymity, since they're not really zombies at that point. Just corpses, heh. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 07:47, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| :I broke into an NT building and pointed at myself a lot (along with some Mrh? and such) to indicated I wanted a revive. As for pointing at specfic corpses, if Bob is on my contact list, I can see him as a corpse, right?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 09:07, 9 September 2009 (BST)
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| As zombies cannot even open doors, it would be hard for them to write something with sense. But, maybe they could just spray over existing graffiti erasing the old one and leaving unreadable gibberish? With 10% that they spray themselves instead of the wall... :) [[User:Bucz|Bucz]] 15:49, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| :You didn't read the suggestion, did you? This has nothing to do with zombies creating graffiti, only being able to gesture towards it. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 15:53, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| Zombies can point at corspes that are on their contact list, I'm pretty sure, and if they can't, who cares about zombie anonymity because they can already point at ''live'' zombies on their contact list. As for the better part of the suggestion (the graffiti), it's a shame it's a dupe, I would have liked to see it implemented. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 15:59, 10 September 2009 (BST)
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| :More important than pointing at the graffiti would be Blood Smear for zombies.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:48, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Harrison Htachet|Harrison Hatchet]] 15:03, 2 September 2009 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' I have some ideas about redesigning the class system for a future UD city. My rationale is that classes as currently implemented become meaningless as you advance in levels. Every high-level character has all, or almost all, skills. Instead, classes should be specialized and interdependent. One character shouldn't be able to do everything. Below are some more details.
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| # After the civilian has acquired some prerequisite number of civilian skills, he/she can choose to become either military or scientist and have access to the chosen class's skills.
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| # All zombie skills would be off limits, though there might be a Dual Nature class. A Dual Nature class would have a limit on total number of skills and have some distribution limit (e.g., maximum of 20 skills, with no more than 13 in either survivor or zombie skills).
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| ====Discussion (Mutually Exclusive Class System)====
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| Why? What problem does this solve, and what end does this serve other than breaking the game, deleting everyone's skills, and violating a crapload of the basic [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]]?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:38, 2 September 2009 (BST)
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| It's also incredibly dupish, and completely nerfs survivors. To make this even reasonably fair, zombies would only be able to bite or claw. Otherwise, it's complete spam.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 18:42, 2 September 2009 (BST)
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| I can see what you're getting at here, and other games have implemented a similar system. However, the nature of the game rather dictates the current structure and the change really wouldn't work now that it's been around so long. In conclusion, it's not actually a bad idea but it would only really work if it was implemented at the start of the game. At this stage of the game, survivors would all be up in arms over losing their skills and it would never pass voting.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:30, 2 September 2009 (BST)
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| I did say a future city, not Malton or the others. There are three cities, so there might be others in the future, right? So no one would lose skills, it would be this way at the start, etc. etc. Zombies could have classes too, though I don't have any concrete ideas. --[[User:Harrison Htachet|Harrison Hatchet]] 22:06, 2 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Both of the other cities were promotional. I'd wager that if they make a movie of Pride and prejudice... and zombies, then that will be made in to a city. Other than that, I don't see a need for more cities. Furthermore, it's just not that good an idea overall.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:13, 2 September 2009 (BST)
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| Yes to implementing this in another city. In Malton? No.--[[User:Maps|Maps]] 13:43, 3 September 2009 (BST)
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| :Agreed... on a side note, if you want to play like that, go play DND or [http://scrollwars.com scroll wars] --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 04:07, 5 September 2009 (BST)
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| Things similar to this are often discussed by people designing theoretical cities for UD, I know I did way back. Your problem is Malton is open beta, so you'd have to have a new city to test this in (similar to perma-death in MV and BHW) or a new game to try it in. I outlined something similar to a programmer I knew when we were considering something similar. It's never going to fly here though, this is about alterations to the current game, not whole new ones. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:53, 12 September 2009 (BST)
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| ===[[Suggestion:20090909 Ripoff of Boxing Gloves, stolen from Dr Frank|Ripoff of Boxing Gloves, stolen from Dr Frank]]===
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| This suggestion is now up for voting. Its discussion has been moved to its [[Suggestion talk:20090909 Ripoff of Boxing Gloves, stolen from Dr Frank|talk page]].
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