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==Developing Suggestions==
''This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''


''Nothing on this page will be archived.''


===Further Discussion===
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
*Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
*Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general, including policies about it, takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].
 
 
==Please Read Before Posting==
*'''Be sure to check <big>[[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]]</big> and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.''' You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''': a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/19th-Nov-2005#Sniper_Rifle|Sniper Rifles]].'''
*Users should be aware that page is discussion oriented. Other users are free to express their own point of view and are not required to be neutral.
*If you decide not to take your suggestion to voting, please remove it from this page to avoid clutter.
*It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
*''After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes '''before''' suggesting alterations.''
 
==How To Make a Suggestion==
===Adding a New Suggestion===
*Copy the code in the box below.
*<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&action=edit&section=7 Click here to begin editing.]</span> This is the same as clicking the [edit] link to the right of the [[Developing Suggestions#Suggestions|Suggestions]] header.
 
*Paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, right under the heading.
*Substitute the text in <font color="red">RED CAPITALS</font> with the details of your suggestion.
 
<nowiki>{{subst:DevelopingSuggestion
|time=~~~~
|name=</nowiki><font color="red">SUGGESTION NAME</font><nowiki>
|type=</nowiki><font color="red">TYPE HERE</font><nowiki>
|scope=</nowiki><font color="red">SCOPE HERE</font><nowiki>
|description=</nowiki><font color="red">DESCRIPTION HERE</font><nowiki>
}}</nowiki>
 
*'''Name''' - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
*'''Type''' is the nature of the suggestion, such as a ''new class'', ''skill change'', ''balance change'', etc. Basically: '''What is it?''' and '''Is it new, or a change?'''
*'''Scope''' is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically ''survivors'' or ''zombies'' (or both), but occasionally ''Malton'', the game ''interface'' or something else.
*'''Description''' should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.
 
===Cycling Suggestions===
*Suggestions with no new discussion in the past two days should be given a warning notice. This can be done by adding {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section, where <font color="darkred">date</font> is the day the suggestion will be removed.
*Suggestions with no new discussion in the past week may be removed.
*If you are adding a comment to a suggestion that has the warning template please remove the {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section to show that there is still ongoing discussion.
 
This page is prone to breaking when the page gets too long, so sometimes suggestions still under discussion will be moved to the [[Developing Suggestions/Overflow1|Overflow page]], so the discussion can continue.
 
 
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<span style="font-size:1.75em; color:red">'''Please add new suggestions to the top of the list'''</span>
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==Suggestions==
===Collapse Barricades II===
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|'''Timestamp:''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:02 15 November 2009 (BST)</small>
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Barricade change
|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
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|'''Scope:''' Zombie Barricade Attacks
|'''Scope:''' Interface
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|'''Description:''' If a building is ruined and unoccupied by survivors, there is a 30% chance that any ''successful attack'' upon the barricades by a zombie already inside, once it reach VS or below, will make the whole pile collapse, leaving only the doors secured (if that building has them).
|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible.  Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience.  In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
 
This in no way weaken barricades that people are hiding behind or [[meatshield]]ing, only those that are abandoned. It's main use would be in mall (or other large) building sieges, where zombies break into one corner, and attack other corners from the open entry point. Once abandoned, the barricades can be pushed over from inside easier than breaking in as normal.
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====Discussion (Collapse Barricades II)====
====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)====
This seems to just be a [[Pi%C3%B1ata]] nerf and nothing else.  The condition for the attack to function (ruined and ''unoccupied by survivors'') makes this unlikely to see much actual use in attacks on malls.  Folks that already know what's up are going to be going to the opening that's actually there, and folks following feeding groans won't be directed to corners where this attack is at all possible. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 09:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Ah yes, something I hadn't considered. Bodies of survivors killed in the attack, that stand up inside a [[pinata]]. Any ideas about how to remove this loophole? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:15 15 November 2009 (BST)</small>
::The way I see it, if a building was ruined, it was unoccupied at some point, which is sufficient reason for the barricades to be faltering now (i.e. they don't have a structure to brace themselves against once they lose their own internal structure). It doesn't affect people hiding behind barricades, since zombies would still have to come through them (or else they're already inside...either way, it's the same as before), nor does it affect meatshielding, since zombies would still have to clear the survivors before they could ruin a building (and survivors have no reason to meatshield a ruined building). By the time a building is VSB, the building is no longer a good piñata anyway, since it's already enterable for survivors, so it's not a piñata nerf. I would, however, make this work for both zombies and survivors alike, just to be consistent. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, I've been hanging around [[Treweeke Mall]] for quite a while now, and I could have used this numerous times in the last month. Often I find myself meatshielding a ruined corner that is still barricaded, and come back and have to find an open corner, despite the mall still being completely ruined <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:18 15 November 2009 (BST)</small>
::What are you getting, visits from the barricade-smashing faerie?  Weird situation, there, I'm not sure what's provoking that.  As for killing the loophole... heh, maybe you could make it a child skill of Brain Rot.  Tongue firmly in cheek but hey, it might work. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 09:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Mmm, I like the child skill thought... will consider it more :)<br />Treweeke is a delicate balance. A small/medium core of zombies seem to hold the mall, and attack out to the surrounds (but retreat to the mall), while the survivors hold the suburb (more or less) and make occasional attacks (some successful, some not) on the mall, regularly barricading corners once cleared <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:46 15 November 2009 (BST)</small>
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===Shrink the map===
===Additional Suicide Method===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Chekken|Chekken]] 04:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' New action, New use for firearms
|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors only
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' If a dedicated zombie does not wish to be revived, they then must go through a great deal of trouble to kill themselves (or they could become a PKer, which actually works against survivors). This is a simple change that I am suggesting. My idea is that we should allow survivors who are either in a hopeless situation, or unwilling to be alive, to commit suicide using shotguns and pistols in addition to already being able to jump off of a tall building. In order to do this, the survivor needs at least one weapon with one shot or more remaining. There will be a button (much like being in a tall building) that says "suicide". When you press it, a message will appear saying "You are about to shoot yourself. If you do this, you will die and awaken as a zombie. Are you sure?" When you confirm, the message will say "You place the gun to your head and pull the trigger. Everything goes dark". This will take one AP and one IP hit. You will suffer the ordinary penalties of dying as dictated by your current skills.
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
 
To the moral people out there who are saying "This promotez teh suicidez! Oh my gawd, we will haff moral debatez!"...no, we will not. Because you can jump off of buildings to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has gotten into any huge arguments about that recently. Therefore, my understanding is that if this were to be implemented, it would not be such a big deal. You could just as easily use the same argument to say "this game shouldn't have PKing in it because it promotes violence!"
 
As well, to debate against those saying it could be used as a "trolling tool"...the penalties of doing this act without any zombie skills at all (note: trolls are usually level 1 to begin with) far outweighs the "high" that a troll may get from doing this.
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====Discussion (Additional Methods for Committing Suicide)====
====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
I like the concept, but this makes [[parachuting]] a lot easier. What's to stop a bunch of Death Cultists from running into a safe house, blowing their brains out, and eating everyone inside at much higher hit rates?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 04:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps the text should instead read, "You leave the building, put the gun to your head and pull the trigger". Role-play wise, you probably would not have the courage to shoot yourself in a (sometimes crowded) room full of people. People would be trying to stop you, etc. and then the whole idea wouldn't work at all. You bring up a valid point. --[[User:Chekken|Chekken]] 04:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::In that case, I don't see any harm in it; however, a lot of people might say "just go find a tall building" and vote it down.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 04:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::65% to hit with pistols and shotguns versus 50% to hit with claws, 60% once you grab hold of them....clearly....much higher rates for zombies. Though i do understand what you are saying, a Death Cultist is revived with 1 pistol round and he pops it in his brain so he doesn't have to search for ammo. Maybe we apply it as say a Headshot, you point the gun at yourself and take a headshot (headshot skill not needed) this ups the amount of AP it would use up and levels it much more. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 05:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe, but keep in mind that this skill is designed for convenience. Zombies wish to remain dead; we should not punish them for this. I mean, we don't punish survivors for wanting to be alive :P OH MY GOD I FORGOT TO SIGN MY POST. *Explodes* --[[User:Chekken|Chekken]] 05:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::No. Bad Chekken. Do not do the ZOMG *asplode* thing. Ever.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 05:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
If you don't want to be revived just get ROT! --[[User:Zaphord|Zaphord]] 05:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Because Rot isn't completely negated in the most important target for coordinated zombies to get into and attack or anything. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 06:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:: True, but a Rot can be only revived in a NT, which the character can jump out of if they desire.--[[User:Zaphord|Zaphord]] 06:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That was kind of a knee-jerk reaction from one too many discussions in which Brain Rot was slang for ''STFU zombies, you're not allowed to have an opinion on CRs'', but you're right, in this particular case Brain Rot being useless in powered NTs is irrelevant.  My mistake. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 09:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 
First, this is a dupe (I'll look for it later).  Second, just HOW hard is it to NOT do anything and let a zombie kill you? And third, as pointed out, this is what brain rot is for.  Considering how difficult it is to get Rotter Revive, they are easy to avoid.  Don't stay in the NT.  Hit the generator ASAP.  Things like that.  It is MUCH easier to die then to get revived.  Your just not trying hard enough.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 07:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)  As for dupes, I found [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20071210_Suicide_By_Firearm this].--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 08:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Single AP deaths need to deposit the body outside, and we don't need another button for it, but rather make it part of the drop down list of targets for guns. Put "yourself" at the bottom of the list of valid targets <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:12 15 November 2009 (BST)</small>
:Agreed. If this suggestion is to go through, there shouldn't be a separate button, and the body must get dumped outside automatically. Headshots should be included, as applicable, of course, and you'd still need a warning to confirm the action. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Advanced Foraging===
===Action Points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wsmith|Wsmith]] 01:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' Skill
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' A 5,000 exp skill to add the ability to find rare items in ruined buildings.
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
 
Some of the items I am considering adding with this skill include flashlights, batteries, (for seeing in dark buildings, improving accuracy)  Hiding places (where you find a niche in the building you can Hide in, after buying a Hide skill for 5,000 exp points) Vaccinations (limited immunity to infection) Iron Rebar (for heavier cading)  Light tool kits (no encumbrance from tools)
 
All these items would be very very rare, and only available in ruined buildings, and the exp cost to buy the skill would be very very high.   Personally, I think we need to add some very expensive experience skills to give people something to look forward too a year from now.
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====Discussion (Advanced Foraging)====
====Discussion (Action Points)====
Have you read the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]]? Rare=/=Balanced, multiply it by a billion.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 
First, why can these items only be found in ruined buildings? What sense does it make? Second, and more importantly, no need to even wait a year, considering most leveled characters already have 5000 XP in the bank. Heck, there are even a few with 40K, 50K, and well beyond at this point. Personally speaking, I've been playing about two months, and my character with the lowest level has still managed to accrue about 2200 in that time, while my faster characters are more around 3000, and that's without ever really making an effort to level up quickly.
 
Essentially, you're talking about making an elite class of survivors once they reach a certain point, by giving them access to special items that no one else gets access to. While I do think it's a very cool idea, it simply wouldn't balance well at all with the way things are. As Lelouch pointed out, rare != balanced, and you needed to multiply it by a billion since it'll become overpowered in a hurry. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:How would this work for zombies? Many of them clear 5K no problem, my newest one in a group has about 1K built up already and he barely kills anyone. This would not become balanced for zombies at all, we would need to get revived (hard to do with rot) and then go searching for some rare item, only to jump to our deaths or be killed again and never use it. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 05:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::Exactly.  Beyond what was said above, ZOMBIES ARE PLAYERS TOO.  Why should all the "super cool" stuff only go to survivors?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 07:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Can I buy a bulletproof head for 5,000 XP? Or complete immunity to the IP hit limit for 5,000 XP.  Both once I've managed to rack up 10,000 XP.  I could bullet sponge ''forever''. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 10:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Inspiration===
===Drone===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Winman1|Winman1]] 02:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Skill
|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
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|'''Scope:''' survivors
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' There is a new zombie hunter skill called "inspiration" for 100xp. After getting you have the option to "inspire" 5 random survivor players for 15AP. Inspired players get +5% accuracy for all weapons for their next 50AP and are healed for 5 hp if they are injured. It would simply be useful in dire situations when, say zombies just broke in, everyone needs hp, and you need to kill the zombies to get yourself safe again.
|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
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====Discussion (Inspiration)====
====Discussion (Drone)====
No, just god damn no. Survivors do not need this kind of buff in any way, shape, or form. Do some fucking research and play the game from the other side to see why they don't need this buff.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
:As above. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 06:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Agreed. This idea is unnecessary and survivors really don't need this sort of help at all. Plus, what's the math for search rates on FAKs? This might actually be a more AP-efficient way to FAK people up, and it would certainly be less of a hassle. The extra accuracy idea is ''interesting'', but doesn't really seem workable, nor does it make much sense (what did the person do to inspire them?). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Zombie Hunters are, generally, maxed out (or quite high level) characters with nothing "better" to do, if you will, that a lot wouldn't have  a problem "beefing up" other players.  You just have 5 characters enter the room and get beefed up, then replace with a new 5, etc.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Where the fuck did this Winman1 idiot come from? Wherever it was, I wish he'd go back there and take his shitty fucking suggestions with him. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 07:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:Shut the fuck up, Papa Moron.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>08:29 14 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::Oh look, it appears that there's the prospect of a shit suggestions tag team. Nothing says 'retarded suggestion' quite like support from this cunt. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 09:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Offer up something constructive, or shut the fuck up, bitch. No one needs to see your insecurity splashed all over in pathetic attempts to boost your ego by driving new people off.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>10:18 14 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::::Calling you a cunt is most definitely constructive, because every new player needs to know that you are a raging fuckwit whose example they most definitely should not follow. Further, slamming shit suggestions like these is also constructive, because when people like you and Winman insist upon slinging every half-arsed, pile of shit that you can think of onto this page it means that the rare good ideas that are posted here are far more likely to be missed or ignored in the fog of intellectual fart gas. And finally, accusations of insecurity and ego are pretty laughable, coming from a guy who makes constant references to other people's testicles or lack thereof. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 11:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::1. Immaterial and unrelated. Shut the fuck up and go to lunch. 2. Add something constructive to the suggestion at hand or shut the fuck up. Go to lunch.  3. It doesn't get more ball-less and cowardly than being an inturdnet bully such as yourself. Difference between you and me is that I only attack worthless cowards like yourself, while you prefer to attack newbies that won't be defended by your shitheel buddies. You are ''weak''. Will you go to fucking lunch?{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>16:20 14 November 2009(BST)</tt> 
 
Too overpowered I think, Win. I like the concept, but maybe with a different mechanic.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>08:29 14 November 2009(BST)</tt>
How about, instead of this, you have perspiration? It costs 15AP to use, getting yourself all hot and bothered, and it gives 5 survivors in the area a -5% to all attacks for the next 50AP, because they're so disgusted by what they saw. They also lose 5HP in vomit. New Death Cultist skill.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 09:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:Hardy fuckin har. Shut the fuck up, Yonnua.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>10:18 14 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::So, for recommendingan inverse which helps zombies, who you yourself have called the weaker side, you tell me to shut up? Hmm.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 17:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 
<big>Stop talking to both of them. We all know they'll die on their arse/get duped in the main system any way. Don't drag out the time until these sections can be cycled by adding to them.</big> -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Generator Installation Notice===
===Backpack===
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|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' In-game warning notice
|'''Type:''' New item
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors installing generators
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' So we all know the deal with dark buildings. When unlit, they provide a halved accuracy rate for all attacks. It's great, especially in times of increased zombie activity, high PKer presence or group-on-group war. The only problem is, quite a lot of pro-survivor groups or individuals, either unaware or apathetic to the vital service these safehouses provide everyone, will install and fuel generators in every building they find, even the dark ones - where it does nothing positive, only negative.
 
Basically the suggestion is this - when anyone clicks on the generator in their inventory to install it in a bank, club or cinema will recieve the following notice in-game: "You are attempting to install a generator in an otherwise dark building. Powering this building will negate the bonus effects of its darkness with no beneficial effects." Anyone who then wishes to install it anyway can do so by attempting to do so a second time. This will work exactly like the notice for jumping from a window, using no AP and taking one IP hit. Fort armouries will not be affected by this, as they actually have a function outside of being safehouses.
 
And before someone says it, yes this will no doubt aid PKers. It will also aid any survivors who actually give two shits about staying alive, as shock horror, they gain the benefits too. 99.99% of PKers don't kill in dark buildings due to the waste of AP and ammo, all but the most all-consuming hordes skip past them for the same reasons, and since the clubs, cinemas and banks offer no tactical resources, this does not hurt the survivor side at all. In fact, it would help cut down on the much-maligned GKing.
 
Also I wouldn't be surprised if his was suggested before, but a cursory search turned up nothing.
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====Discussion (Generator Installation Notice)====
I don't like this.  Searching for a generator takes a lot of AP.  Anyone trying to install it probably has a good reason.  They might just be a bounty hunter planning to kill your PKer who's hiding in there.  Or they might want to use it to power a radio.  Or to barricade.  --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 05:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:Or to repair a free running lane, or to act as a decoy, or to do any number of other things. Completely agree. I don't install gennies in dark buildings often, but I've had reason to in the past, and I'm sure I will again in the future, and a simple warning is unnecessary since I think most people know what they're doing when they spend that much AP to locate a genny and fuel. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, you'd be surprised. I lead a pro-survivor group out in Gibsonton, and the number of times I've had people get that "Oh, never knew" moment when I explained the benefits of dark banks is beyond numbering now. If it's for something actually useful like a repair, then the warning won't stop that. It's simply diffusing more information to people who might not actually know it, since it's not reported in-game. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 05:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I suppose there are always people, but they ''should'' know, since you can't see HP levels with Diagnosis, there's a special flavor text saying it's a dark building, and hit rates are shown to be halved. But I definitely believe that many people don't know the difference. Even so, I'm not sure that warning text is the proper way to educate people to the benefits of dark buildings. Maybe just change the flavor text? Or indicate it more strongly on the minimap (bold black border, rather than appearing ruined)? A warning is a bit much, I think, since those other things are not easily reversible, while dealing with the genny is as simple as not fueling it or just destroying it afterwards. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Aye, for the people in the building. For the guy who searched up a genny and fuel to do exactly nothing, it's a day's AP wasted. For an IP hit, a warning would let them know it's better planted elsewhere, saving a dickload of AP on their end. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 05:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Confusing for newbies. They think they've put down a generator, they haven't, they try to attack their target, whether zombie, survivor, or PKer, and miss for about 30AP before wondering why. Bad idea.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 07:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Interesting. I don't think that this should be implemented for a few reasons, namely it would introduce thoughts about a specific type of building (In this case all Dark buildings) from the meta game and tell everyone how they should play. It also incurs an ip, which may be unimportant, but it happens none-the-less. If someone does light a dark building, well oh no, it's not as if [[PKer|someone]] isn't going to come along and destroy it when they need their nights sleep to be peaceful. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}08:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 
'''with no beneficial effects.''' What? What about needing them to repair the building, or doubling your chance of successfully barricading, or finding stuff in the armory, or combat reviving accuracy? And surely some dark buildings have mobile phone masts? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 
"Powering this building will negate the bonus effects of its darkness with no beneficial effects." As Rosslessness pointed out having the building lit has benefits, also, darkness was meant to be a penalty to survivors not a bonus. Personally I would like to see zombies gain a bonus in dark buildings so survivors are scared to go in them. --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 12:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:I was thinking the same thing.  As for the suggestion itself, I think it woulde just give too many confusing ideas to players.  Besides, is it REALLY that hard to bust a generator?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 19:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 
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===Guard the Door===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:HellFreeze|HellFreeze]] 08:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' new action
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|'''Scope:''' survivors
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|'''Description:''' This is my first suggestion, so 'don't taze me, bro!'  I don't know about you all, but I'm grumpy about GKers. People on my 'do not revive'and 'kill on sight' list frequently free-run into my safehouse, smash the generator, and then leave without consequence. It takes them just a few AP to destroy, but it takes me most of a day to replace.
 
So, I propose adding an action that would post the player at the free-run entrance to prevent undesirable survivors from entering. The list of folks to be blocked would be one color code on the player's contact list. This action should cost some AP (since they cannot be sleeping or doing other things) and should also put them at some risk by keeping them at the top of the occupant list. If feasible, the AP cost should be time-based. In other words, no AP accumulation while guarding.
 
It doesn't affect zombies at all. It only discourages griefing genny killer free-runners. So, without changing the game balance, this action would make the game more fun. I would even take the first watch.
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====Discussion (Guard the Door)====
{{SDW|November 29}}
Massive dupe and open to cheating with zerging alts and an auto adding bot script. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 
<s>Sorry mate, but this suggestion is going to go straight into the dirt. You are basically saying "All survivors that are not in my contact list with X color can't get in the building without removing the barricades first".  WAY too gamebreaking.  Case-in-point: death culting.  Death cultist has no names in his contacts (or only zombies), and therefore no survivors can get into the building... likely an NT or other TRP.</s>  I understand your frustration, but maybe you should just move to another part of the city, or maybe just a building that you don't need powered to be useful? --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:Missed a word upon reading the suggestion.  Still no.  As Iscariot. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::Oh boy, I won't taze you.  BUT, If you think GKers are annoying, imagine the griefing you will get when someone who doesn't like you creates 20 new characters, places them in all the resource buildings in your suburb, puts you on their contacts list and then sets those characters to guard the door so you can't get it.  Booom!  You just got permanently locked out of every hospital, PD, and NT in the suburb.  Think about it.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 11:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC) 
:::Taze! Taze Taze Taze! GKers are people too, it's a perfectly valid way to play the game. [[User:Billy Forks|Billy Forks]] 12:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I feel your pain but no-one has managed to come up with a reasonable and measured way to make gking/pking etc.... carry a little more risk. Personaly I think allowing folk to spend 1 or 2 AP to defend a specific target would make sense. What you suggest though is just too easy to abuse and too strong anyway. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 
D-D-D-DON'T TAZE ME BRO! Also, no. This suggestion is much too abusable.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Open to too much abuse. All it would take is a few co-ordinated users (say, a group) and an entire mall could be off-limits for a whole shit-ton of people. Which I'd personally love, but we don't cater to death cultists. :( {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 16:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:Bingo. Just what I was going to point out. If you multiply this by a billion, or even just a dozen, a group of people could effectively lock down a building or group of buildings. With a contact list holding up to 150 names on it, a dozen people in the same building could lock out 1800 people, with no way for those 1800 to get in, aside from breaking in. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Good points everyone. I had never heard of auto-add scripts, and had not thought of nefarious abuses. It would have been horrible, with stronger instant pinatas everywhere! (This sort of thing is why I put the idea here, instead of the vote page.) Honestmistake's idea about defending a specific target seems like the better way to go. What if survivors in a building "move to block" someone attacking the generator (or other item), the same way zombies sometimes block barricade construction?  --[[User:HellFreeze|HellFreeze]] 19:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::Dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Would it actually be a dupe to suggest that players be able to defend against a (selected) action from anyone on his contact list only? Throw in a stipulation that it be a 1 time action (effectively a delayed action that may not be performed) and i don't remember anything that specific showing up in voting? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Just a god-awful suggestion that doesn't have even a bit of salvageable concept inside it.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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===vehicles===
 
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Hazmat Vlad|Hazmat Vlad]] 02:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' equipment/item
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|'''Scope:''' survivors
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|'''Description:''' Perhaps vehicles could be implemented into the game,but extremely rare and needing the construction skill to repair them,also having to often be refueled with fuel cans .you could find vehicles in mechanic shops that aren't in to bad of condition and use the construction skill to repair them,vehicles could then be used to get around with no ap cost but needing to be refueled every 5 times you move a space.also vhicles could be used as weapons?and perhaps if you have a gps you can get a map or maybe track your car?
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====Discussion (vehicles)====
{{SDW|November 18}}
I'm going to put the Welcome Newbie template on your talk page, someone else will move this to the top where it belongs and you will lurk more before you get flamed until you are extra crispy. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Nein danke.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dunkoff. WHOOPS! THAT WAS NOT MEDICINE!{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Sure. Let's go it. Also let's add atom bombs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 02:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:No, atom bombs suck.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::FINE THEN HYDROGEN BOMBS. ¬_¬ {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 02:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::They suck too.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::::FINE THEN YOUR MA. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 02:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::TOO BAD I HATE MY MA OR YOU'D WIN YOU DICK!--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I win anyway. I'm me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::{{Hyperbig|:c}}--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 03:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
You're new, so I'll be nice. This suggestion isn't going anywhere for a variety of reasons. Basically, none of the details are covered. For instance, do vehicles show up in your inventory? If not, do they just stay out on the street taking up space, kinda like how decorations show up in buildings? Can other people take vehicles that they see laying around? Can zombies destroy vehicles? Do they disappear after awhile if they're unused? What purpose are they supposed to serve? Isn't 5 spaces before refueling pretty much useless, since it'd cost far less AP to just walk that far, than it would to search for the fuel can? Have you done the math to show why you chose 5 spaces? Also, vehicles are [[Frequently Suggested#Vehicles|frequently suggested]], so you're fighting an uphill battle here. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:To add to that, you need to be much more concise with your suggestions.  Where are they found?  At what search rates?  If you want them to be used as weapons, what kind of damage would they do?  No, it won't help THIS suggestion, but if you want to post more susgestions, it would help.  Take a look at Peer Review and Peer Rejected.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Reading [[Frequently Suggested]] and [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] => +0.1% suggestion pass rate --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 19:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Ignore other zombies feeding on corpses===
 
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Catherine Athay|Catherine Athay]] 14:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' UI
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|'''Scope:''' Mostly zombies
|-
|'''Description:''' Just what it says on the tin really.
 
Add a checkbox or drop-down field to the settings page to give the player the option of not seeing the "A zombie fed on a corpse" messages.
 
If you're waiting in a revive queue, or in a horde waiting for strike time, you can get an awful lot of these messages.  It would be nice to be able to turn them off.
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====Discussion (Ignore other zombies feeding on corpses)====
{{SDW|November 18}}
Sounds good as it's written. I like it, and I know that I've never really seen much need to have that information, so being able to turn off those messages would be nice. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Why not?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Why waste time suggesting this as ''just'' ignoring feeding? Why not suggest an ignore option for every type of status message in the game? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:I like the way you're thinking.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::But surely that would be a multi suggestion and therefore against the holy "do and Don't" list :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::'Option to expand ignore function'. Multi doesn't apply to shooting suggestions, even though you can use them against zombies, survivors, radios and generators.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:Right now it exists for groans, flares, radio and barricades.  Other than that, feeding is the only one I can think of that is both unimportant and frequent enough to be annoying.  But yes there are already too many checkboxes cluttering the options page.  Maybe I should have suggested removing the feeding message altogether (or make it visible only to the corpse that is nibbled.) --[[User:Catherine Athay|Catherine Athay]] 21:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Deaths, body dumps, art installations, refuelling, adding generators and radios, even people wounding you (but I personally wouldn't include kills). Some people will never use it, though some of us (at places like [[MCM]] which are conversation happy) will welcome the removal of extraneous messages. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I would class installations, refuelling, GKing, RKing and TKing as "not frequent enough to be annoying".  And do you really see bodies other than your own being dumped?  I've never noticed it. --[[User:Catherine Athay|Catherine Athay]] 11:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::I like Iscariot's idea. Perhaps a different settings page for toggling what you want to see, instead of cramming it all at the bottom of the current one.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't see the point of an extra page. Having a checklist like the auto-discard one wouldn't take too much more space, and would be easily integrated. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I was being facetious... Frankly I see no reason not to go with Izzy's suggestion of tick-boxing all random shite excpt that it would allow NooB's to unwittingly block valuable reminders of stuff that they could do with the right skills!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe it could be setup that levels 1 can't change those settings?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::It's not our job to look out for stupid people; if someone turns off Feeding then they'll just have to ''deal'' with the fact that they don't see any feeding.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Not even newbies?  It was actually interesting to invite some friends to play and see how the react to the game.  Gave me an idea or two for suggestions.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Air strike===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
|-
|'''Type:''' Destruction
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|'''Scope:''' Suburb
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|'''Description:''' The 24th August, a day that passes like any other for most ordinary people, however for those citizens of Malton who remember 2007 it was the first day the external military forces began transmitting data vital for survior. Some saw it as hope, others as information to barter and use, others believed they were faked from death cultists inside the city setting traps. In truth the military were researching the city in preperation, the surviors inside mearly fortunate to hear it. The military have been preparing for 'Operation:Cold Start' and now they are in the final stages...
 
'''Operation:Cold Start'''
In an effort to destroy the zombie menace the military will conduct a co-ordinated airstrike on the ''suburb with the highest zombie population regardless of survior presence'' (The 'survivors' of malton are to be considered expendable).
 
Date:
''24th August, 2010''
 
This aerial bombardment has one ultimate goal, complete and permanent destruction of the zombie, nothing short of complete destruction of the targetted suburb is to be expected, ''all buildings, surviors and most importantly zombies will be ruined and killed''. At 23:30hrs on the the 23th of August 2010 two bomber wings will be launched with a fighter squadron escort, at 24:00hrs the bomber wing will drop their payload on the targetted suburb and return to base.
 
The HE payload will contain traditonal explosives and a classfied VX22-f additive developed by a NMO, it is expected and predicted that the modified explosives will prevent the targets from re-animating, permanently. Should this fail further development on the VX22 additive will ne neccessary and bombing ''will be repeated one calender year later every year'' until the desired effects are acheived. If VX22-f is succesful 12 further bomber wings will be lauched with objective of the complete destruction of Malton for the purpose of reclamation by non-infected personel.
 
Commander K.Davis
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====Discussion (Air strike)====
It's a good thing this will never actually happen, seeing as how "24:00hrs" doesn't actually exist. Also, humourous suggestions is over [[Humorous Suggestions|here]]. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 22:07, 8 November 2009 (BST)
:24:00 does exist:
:*00:00 = midnight, start of day
:*24:00 = midnight, end of day
:You can't display both at the same time as they overlap so most people are only familiar with one version. --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::24:00 in military time is technically incorrect, and does not exist. There's 23:59, and then 00:00, but no 24:00. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 22:24, 8 November 2009 (BST)
::The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_hour_clock#Military_time Internet's Big Book of Things That Might Not Be True] says that airstrikes don't use 24:00. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a tie, it does exist, but not in the military, I suppose you win though as this is in military context. --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Lawl.  I know the RRF is frightening, but you can't expect Kevan to nuke Ridleybank and perma-kill a large chunk of the RRF for you, repeatedly.  --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 22:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:No, it wouldn't be permakill, "Should this fail... bombing will be repeated one calender year later!" The military wouldn't waste the resources if it would fail, they expect to succeed (but it won't) so this becomes an annual event. --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Yes, a fighter escort, a brilliant tactic to counter our own interceptors.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Wait, when did we get interceptors?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::Did you not buy the Airspace Battle Manager skill? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Wait! Who's team are you on, the E.M. just want to clear Malton, they don't discriminate between Surviors and Zombies they're all infected... are we looking at the beginning of the first Zombie/Survior alliance? --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::No, because now I'm going to get the ABM skill and learn to pilot a Titan so I can rain down fiery death upon the harmans. >:) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::40K references lose you bonus points. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I would think "Airspace Battle Manager" and "Titan" would combine to be more of an EVE reference than 40k. 'Course, you could multi-task and pilot a Titan... in a Titan. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 22:43, 8 November 2009 (BST)
:::::::It was actually a Battlefield 2142 reference. :( --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Also good! --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 22:54, 8 November 2009 (BST)
:::::::::I just hate the amount of vehicle spam that goes on in that game. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
So everyone dies, the zombies stand up again 5 seconds later and get busy ruining every building in the suburb with no interference from pesky survivors?  Brilliant! --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 22:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:All the buildings are ruined as well so they can just move on (need to mention that everyone receives an instant headshot as well, whoops).--[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Rediculously OP in favor of zombies; this page isn't for Humorous Suggestions.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed this isn't. It's only funny because he so serious about it.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 10:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Lawl.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 08:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 
{{user:DanceDanceRevolution/ds}}
--{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 10:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Center it on the NT that shows the most scans in the proceeding 72 hours and you got my vote.... of course it means the area with the most active scientists is the one that gets nuked rather than the one with the most zeds but you gotta love "military intelligence" :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:And make all the bodies stand up as survivors. After all, it's a chemical based on the Necrotech syringes. Now that's interesting: All zombies in an area suddenly revived, but the entire area ruined. --{{User:Grungni/sig}} 12:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Pffft...Call of Duty 4, much? No offense, but I sure hope this isn't a serious suggestion. --[[User:Chekken|Chekken]] 04:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Items Wear Out===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 21:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
|-
|'''Type:''' Change of all items
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|'''Scope:''' Items
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|'''Description:''' Alright, so here's my idea. Doesn't it seem funny that you can use an item for an unlimited amount of time and it never breaks? Obviously, this would never happen in real life. In alot of other games they have a system where items wear out as you use them. I propose the same thing for UD. Basically, the mechanics would be as follows. '''1.''' Any item used for melee combat would have a 1% chance to break when used (so it would break after 100 uses on average). '''2.''' Any item used for ranged combat would have a 0.5% chance to break (200 uses on average). '''3.''' Any item not used for combat (DNA extractors, binoculars, etc) would have a 0.25% chance to break when used (400 uses on average). I think this would add a more realistic element to the game, and would make survivors have to search for things more often, and not just be able to keep something forever. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is appreciated, and of course, the numbers are subject to change. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 21:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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====Discussion (Items Wear Out)====
{{SDW|16th November}}
Dupe. Next. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
: I searched for it but didn't find anything. Tell me what's wrong with the suggestion. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 21:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::It's a dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::: WTF? You said that the first time dude. I told you I couldn't find anything on the subject. If you supply the link so I can see why people thought it wasn't a good idea, so be it. Until then, why don't you tell me what you yourself think of the idea. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 21:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::He has the tendency to do that now.  Your just supposed to "accept it" as "fact" when he says its a dupe I guess.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 00:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::You damn fucking right you accept it as fact when I say that. Feel free to go ahead and put it up if you're sure that I'm full of shit. I don't expect you will, because you may not like my manner but you've no option than to acknowledge my ability. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:Constructive criticism is constructive. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 21:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Useless one-sided nerf; all this does is hurt survivors.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 21:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
: I hate to bring up other MMORPGS, I really do, but did you know that ALL other big MMORPGS (WOW, City of Heroes, LOTR Online, Warchammer Online, etc) have this system. I mean, they must be doing something right. If you think the numbers are too harsh they could be lowered. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 21:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::''All you've done on this wiki'' is bring up other MMORPGS.  '''UD is not WoW.'''  This suggestion is a big nuisance to add to the existing difficult choices and item juggling of inventory management, with no other purpose than to make UD more like the others.--[[User:Mold|Mold]] 21:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::: I'm not saying UD is WOW. But for you to tell me that you know better than the world's best game developers is so funny it makes me shit myself. Also, its purpose is not just to make UD more like other games. My suggestion would make the game more realistic. When have you ever had an axe that you could hack at something forever with? --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Do I think I know better than people who cave to their own players' virtual terrorism? Do I know better than the people that unleashed a massive and debilitating virus on their player base? Do I know better than people who ship their game with illegal monitoring software? Yeah, I fucking do. Very simple question, why does death decay exist in WoW and not in UD? Does it have something to do with an ingame economy and making people spend time maintaining what they've got? It's about money, WoW needs you to spend money every month, UD doesn't. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::If people wanted WoW, they'd play it. UD is UD, not all games need to be the same or there'd be no point playing one over another. Also you can maintain items in real life, such as sharpening blades, cleaning guns, replacing broken parts, etc, so you're "realistic" point is null and void. Go play Shintoin if you're that concerned about items lasting. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Being a developer of a good game doesn't make you better than everyone else. They may know whats good for ''their'' game, but that doesn't mean anything they do for ''their'' 'game is going to be good for ''our'' game simply because ''they'' thought of it.''k''?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
::::People who want realism don't play zombie apocalypse games.  [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/verisimilitude?r=75 Verisimilitude] is good, '''up to and not including''' the point where it makes the game less fun to play for the bulk of the players.  And seriously, you have got to come up with better reasons to suggest things than just making the game more like other MMORPGs.  Those players that want to be playing other MMORPGs would be playing them, not UD. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 22:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::"WOW... world's best game developers" so funny it makes me shit myself! --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::The "world's best game developers" may know a lot about the games they make, but this is a '''different''' game. You should pay attention to players who have played this game for months, even years, who come here to help you with their knowledge of what '''this''' game needs. --{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 22:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Hey, the guys that made StarCraft were fucking '''''boss'''''--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::: Firstly, Misanthropy, I don't know how old you are, or how many possessions you've been accountable for, but if you use something for a long amount of time, especially if you're using it to hack something to pieces, it will break no matter how much you clean or service it. Fact of life. THINGS GET OLD. Live with it. Secondly, to everyone else, will people please stop bitching about me trying to make UD like other games? I've said before that I like UD better than WOW, but to say that Kevan, or god forbid anyone on this forum, knows more about making a good game than the WOW developers is simply a stupid thing to say. There's a REASON that WOW has 50 times more active players than UD. People didn't wake up and just decide to play WOW. WOW had to earn it. One of the ways they earned it was by giving it good features. I'm not trying to turn UD into WOW, I'm just borrowing some of its tried and proven features. If EVERY other game has it, and it's a normal realistic feature, why couldn't UD have it as well? Also, instead of saying "omg too much likez WOW" and "UD iz different we like UD likez itt iz", please tell me WHY you feel that even though it's a good feature on most other games, it would be a bad feature on UD. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::You did not just question my fucking common sense with the age card. Go choke. Fact is, no one wants this suggestion, it's not as realistic as you think, and you're a cunt. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Hahahahaha. Fact is, I DID just question your common sense with the age card. As it turns out, the way you retaliate pretty much proofs your adolescense. "Go choke." Dork. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::You might not want to make childish spelling mistakes when you play the 'I'm older so know better card', particularly when the 'child' you're berating catches on to the basic principles that you can't grasp. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: My friend, if the childish spelling mistakes you are referring to are "omg too much likez WOW" and "UD iz different we like UD likez itt iz", I'll let you in on a secret. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WRITTEN LIKE THAT. Moron. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::"I've said before that I like UD better than WOW, but to say that Kevan... knows more about making a good game than the WOW developers is simply a stupid thing to say"... WAIT! You think UD is better than WOW, but Kevan (who made UD) can't make a game better than the people who make WOW... --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 22:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::: RE to Kamikazie-Bunny: Sorry about that, you're absolutely right. I meant to say that I think UD is funner personally for me. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::You've already been told why.  It's an unneeded additional nuisance for an already trying item management situation.  Now why don't you tell us WHY the suggestion is actually worthwhile.  And no, the games you're talking about didn't earn their player bases by being especially great.  They acquired them by having gigantic budgets and spending a fortune on advertising.  Plenty of features in those games are only there to keep that money flowing, as Iscariot points out. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 22:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::<font face=courier color=red>Activating cruise control... CRUISE CONTROL ACTIVATED.</font>
::::::<big><big><big>MAYBE WE DON'T KNOW AS MUCH AS GAME DEVELOPERS, BUT WE KNOW WHAT IS FUN AND WHAT IS NOT. IF YOU THINK THAT GAME DEVELOPERS ARE SO AWESOME, WHY DON'T YOU SUBMIT IT TO THE SUGGESTION SYSTEM? I DARE YOU >=(</big></big></big>--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 22:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Needless addition. It doesn't actually add anything, though crying "onoz nerfing survivors" is a bit useless, since nerfing survivors ''is'' needed. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:No it isn't. We need more buffs not more nerfs. Just buff the other side more. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 22:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Yes. Let's bring realism into this game. First we'll impliment this, and then we'll get rid of zombies. What? Zombies aren't real. Chase wants a realistic game. It's basic logic. We'll then change the name of the game to Urban RPG.
{{User:Goribus/Sig}} 22:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:: Haha, very clever. So if I came up with a suggestion that doctors could shoot laser beams out of their asses, and people shot it down for being unrealistic, I could technically say that since their are zombies, there could conceivably be laser beam-firing asses. Don't be so incredibly fucking stupid Goribus. Yes, zombies are not realistic, but we need to stick to some general laws of reality. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::: Go fuck yourself manchild. It's not my fault your idea is blatantly retarded and therefore open to both scorn and being mocked. You also misspelled the word "beam". I suggest you read a fucking book (any book) before you make another dumb ass suggestion on wiki. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 22:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::: "Go fuck yourself manchild"??? Jesus fucking christ, is every user on this wiki under 14 years of age? I'm certain about you, Goribus, but I hope some others have managed to hit puberty. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just so you know, excessive cursing and vitriol doesn't make you look hard and everyone else look like a kid.  The tantrum-throwing and rampant egomania make you look very much like a child, however. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 22:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I don't believe it. It's like you're made for irony, Mold. There you go again, more complete nonsense. I have NOT used excessive cursing. In fact, I've said fuck 3 times in this discussion. That is NOT excessive cursing. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Come on, kid.  I can tell from your posting that you're poorly educated, but it's not ''that'' hard.  I even posted the link to the dictionary file for you.  Here, I'll even do it again. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/verisimilitude?r=75 Verisimilitude].  Click it, read it, and try real hard not to continue making an ass of yourself. We're getting edit conflicts from trying to count the myriad ways you do so. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 22:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::: Alright, Sherlock, how the fuck do you deduce from my posts that I'm uneducated? Again, just as with the Abundant APs discussion, you're throwing out COMPLETELY unfounded accusations. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 22:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::You can't spell, you can't grasp simple concepts, you cannot debate salient points that have been made to counter your argument. That's how I deduce, that and putting a year after a user name is indicative of a birth year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::: "Chase1993" has been my computer name for about the past seven years, ever since my email address couldn't come up with any combiantion of numbers after one_dead_angel than 1993, if you follow. Secondly, I can spell. Saying I can't is just another completely unfounded accusation that people in this wiki seem to have fun throwing around. If I make mistakes it's because I'm typing fast and I don't look at the screen. My bad, I just never was a whiz at typing. That does NOT mean I'm uneducated. PLEASE, I BEG YOU, stop throwing unfounded accusations, and let us insult each other on things we know are true. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::How convenient, "I'm typing too fast", I still notice that you've yet to engage with the points that have been made and are instead wasting time on pointless minutiae. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::: Actually, it's not convenient, as because I make mistakes typing, I get people like you telling me I don't know how to spell. Secondly, which points would you like me to engage? --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I shall repeat myself: Do I think I know better than people who cave to their own players' virtual terrorism? Do I know better than the people that unleashed a massive and debilitating virus on their player base? Do I know better than people who ship their game with illegal monitoring software? Yeah, I fucking do. Very simple question, why does death decay exist in WoW and not in UD? Does it have something to do with an ingame economy and making people spend time maintaining what they've got? It's about money, WoW needs you to spend money every month, UD doesn't.-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::This is hilarious coming from you. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Okay, you're a faggot and your suggestion sucks.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Clever. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I know. ^^ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::: It's fairly simple.  Your grasp of the english language is even weaker than mine, which is quite frankly ''pathetic'', and you don't have the slightest clue of what an argument consists of, but you throw around terms often used in arguments like buzzwords that you seem to think make you correct.  You have no clue about game design or economics, yet you make broad assumptions about these things and attack people for not immediately agreeing with them.  You clearly don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, but believe aggression and posturing will make up for your deficiencies of knowledge and understanding.  You're a poorly educated little thug, and probably a sissy at that, given you do your lashing out on the internet rather than in the real world. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::: AGAIN. It seems impossible, but it's not. You have made an unfounded accusation for the fourth post in a row. How is my grasp of the English language poor? And secondly, HOW do you know that I don't lash out in real life? --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Are you throwing out internet challenges now? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: I don't follow you, Iscariot. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Unless your very next edit accurately and completely addresses the points I've repeated at your own request, I'm claiming victory and letting the vultures finish you off. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think I'll be around ripping into him much more.  I'm still pretty bored, but this is going in circles so much that it's not substantially better than staring at the wall. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It's because your choice of wordage and sentence structure/grammar suck.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: The word you're looking for is "wording", not "wordage". That's the most ironic post I've seen in a long time. Please, don't embarrass yourself any further. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Wordage is correct, but what do I know, my honours degree minor was only in Professional Writing... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The word SA was looking for was [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wordage?r=75 "wordage"].  Try to be correct when you're correcting others. ;) --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Wrong or not, if you knew me, you'd know I couldn't give a rats ass about how you spell or talk. I was telling you why everyone '''else''' said you were uneducated and shit. Dick fais. >:| Also, I thought I was making up a word. Huh, cool that I'm not!--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I think you ought to learn what [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unfounded?r=75 "unfounded"] means before you use the word any more.  You don't know how words work... seems like a reasonable foundation for a statement of poor education to me.  As for how I know that you don't lash out in real life, the answer I could give - while true - would sound like BS, and you're already spewing enough of that, so there's no point adding to it. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: "Unfounded" means: without foundation; not based on fact, realistic considerations, or the like: unfounded suspicions. Taken from the link you gave. Therefore, in case you're too dumb to realize, an unfounded accusation would be an accusation not based on fact. That does it. I'm officially keeping a tally now. That post was unfounded accusation number five. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: As I and some others have pointed out to you, there is a strong and ever-increasing body of evidence for you being poorly educated.  Any accusation in that direction is not only not unfounded, it's more justified with every post you make. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::: Aha, but you were not correcting me for being uneducated. You were correcting me for misuse of the word "unfounded", which I proved by your own link that I DO know how to use. Therefore, it WAS unfounded post number 5. And I believe your last post brings it up to 6. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::: Except you used the word referring to my accusation that you're poorly educated.  You have gone far out of your way to prove that your education has been rudimentary at best.  You can quote a webpage if I link it for you, great, but you clearly don't know what the word means, else you wouldn't have used it, and you'd understand by now that my accusation was never unfounded. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Look my friend, I KNOW I have had a good education. You continually reiterating that I have not will not change the fact. So just shut up already, OK? --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 23:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::DICK BUTT--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not, never have been, and never will be your friend.  If you've had such a great education, start showing it.  Do your research and argue cogently, rather than ranting like some mouth-breathing mongoloid.  You'll probably get a better reception here, but not from me.  To me, you're not worth the smear of chemicals that makes up your body, and the very idea that you consider a suggestion a good one makes it suspect.  I'm done here. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 23:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
'''Everyone stop feeding the troll until he responds to the salient points that have been made in the same manner.''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
I'm actually on a team thats in the process of making a Medieval themed FPS with a hint of RTS in it. 20 bucks says it will be better than WoW.
:Does it have an automatic signature adder? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::^^WIN!--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 22:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I think the poster was trying to confuse the op and keep out of anymore of the discussion while also being a troll.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
'''Given he did not engage the points that I so kindly repeated for him, I hereby claim victory. He is scared to engage in rational debate as he knows he would lose. One of you sycophants should now make me a template displaying how awesome I am and place it below. The rest of you can feel free to spam his every response with lines from 4chan.''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:: Firstly, you cannot claim victory. You cannot expect me to spend all of my time checking responses on this wiki. It may surprise you to know that I have other things to do with my time, unlike many of you who seem to spend most of your waking hours on this wiki. I would recommend masturbation as a secondary activity, as it is almost certain you will not get a girlfriend in your current state. Secondly, what points would you like me to engage? These ''"I shall repeat myself: Do I think I know better than people who cave to their own players' virtual terrorism? Do I know better than the people that unleashed a massive and debilitating virus on their player base? Do I know better than people who ship their game with illegal monitoring software? Yeah, I fucking do. Very simple question, why does death decay exist in WoW and not in UD? Does it have something to do with an ingame economy and making people spend time maintaining what they've got? It's about money, WoW needs you to spend money every month, UD doesn't"'' are not points. Please tell me what you would like to engage in debate about, and I will readily do so. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 00:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:--[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 16:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm actually engaged. Again insulting EVERYONE and failing at it. Also, those are good points to debate about, but put in a less than debateful form. :trollface: --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 00:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:Because I can: "''WOW had to earn it. One of the ways they earned it was by giving it good features. I'm not trying to turn UD into WOW, I'm just borrowing some of its tried and proven features.''" I FUCKING LOVE PLAYING WOW JUST TO FIX MY WEAPONS. --[[User:Ezekial Riddle|Ezekial Riddle]] 23:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
What I think we need is a new category similar to clothing suggestions.  We can call it "hardcore" suggestions.  I think the game could stand to have a few more "realistic" factors involved and items wearing out fits into that category.  However, I do NOT believe they should be forced on everyone.  Instead a toggle on the character's profile could allow INDIVIDUAL players, if they so choose, to turn on these "hardcore" ideas to make the game harder for themselves and not force it on everyone.  Thus, if I want my own personal gear to wear out, cool.  It would only affect me, not anyone else.  That would be the ONLY way a suggestion like this would have any merit whatsoever.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 00:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:: I like that idea Pesatyel. A heartfelt THANK YOU for actually thinking about the suggestion instead of just blurting out "omg UD isn't realistic this suggestion sucks". I salute you. --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 00:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Here's my one post for this suggestion. I feel that something we've told you before bears repeating, Chase1993. Your suggestion needs to get through a voting process. The voters are the people you're currently making angry. Whether or not you're wrong, they think you're wrong, and this suggestion simply will never pass. Further arguing merely exasperates them and damages your credibility. Additional points:
*This is a duplicate suggestion, though I'm sure the wear-out rates are different.
*Your comments represent you. If you're producing typos because you're typing too quickly, you should slow down and preview or reread your comments before posting them. Doing anything less is lazy, and claiming you're typing too quickly is no excuse. Your comments will exist on this wiki for months or years. Take a few seconds to proofread, because you ''will'' be judged by the comments you make.
*Making ''ad hominem'' attacks, even in retaliation to ones aimed at you, is not a good idea. Regardless of who might have started it, it makes you look petty. Girlfriend, masturbation, and age-based attacks are particularly poor behavior.
*And, most importantly, in WoW, repair costs (note that the items never permanently break) are used to ensure that the economy remains stable. Since players are constantly bringing new money into the economy through various activities, money needs to exit the economy as well in order to curb inflation. Repair costs are one of the primary means for accomplishing this goal. It was indeed a smart move by the Blizzard developers, but it's entirely inapplicable here, since it has nothing to do with realism. Blizzard developers have acknowledged that it's a necessary evil, and admit that it's not fun for players.
So, basically, there's no reason why we should add a fix for a problem that doesn't exist in UD, just for the sake of realism at the expense of fun.
That is all. I won't be replying. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 
It's a good idea Chase. The real problem is that 90% of UD players don't want a game. They want a social network were they get to decide what they what to do, when they want to do it, and never be challenged or face any real threat or change that means anything. They don't ever want to be truly ''effected'' in any way. Just the same old status quo forever and ever amen.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:34 9 November 2009(BST)</tt>
:You forgot to mention the lack of Balls! --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 12:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Revivification time limit===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 13:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Mechanic
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|'''Scope:''' Revivifying bodies
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|'''Description:''' After a zombie is injected with a NecroTech syringe and slumps to the floor, it has 4 days to stand up.  Once that time runs out, it de-revivifies and reverts to being an ordinary dead zombie.
 
'''Why?'''<br />
It's unfair that survivors are able to be revivified and lie on the floor, invincible for as long as they want and be able to stand up a month later after the suburb has become a ghost town, still with 50AP.  Active survivors cannot do this, because they would have used some of their AP to reach the revive point.
 
Remember - you got killed, went to a revive point and then did not log in again for a month.  This should not be rewarded with invincibility.
 
It's not the same as a ''standing'' survivor idling out.  They can become invisible and survive while others in the building were eaten and the building ruined, '''but''' this player earned it by finding a good place to hide, making friends who healed them in the meantime etc.
 
'''Why 4 days?'''<br />
Because that's the same as the idling out time, hence just long enough to negate the advantage of idling out.  However de-revivification is ''not'' tied to idling.  To avoid idling out you only have to log in.  To avoid de-revivification you must actually stand up.  Otherwise the timer keeps ticking (even if the idle timer doesn't.)
 
<span style="color:red">Not to be confused with ZL's suggested change to idling.  This one would not directly affect idling.</span>
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====Discussion (Revivification time limit)====
{{SDW|17th November}}
Sorry if this is a dupe.  I would be surprised if no-one had thought of this before, but I did search for "de-revifify", "devifify" etc. and nothing came up. --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 13:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
No way. One way ticket to nerfing survivors is a one way ticket to peer-rejected. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Survivors do need a nerfing but this isn't the way to go about it. I don't really see what good this does. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
I don't believe this suggestion would get into Peer Reviewed. If you are revived, you become a survivor. Not "If you're revived you turn into a survivor unless you don't stand up for 5 days."  It will be seen as "greifing the already helpless human population"; something to that tune anyway.{{User:rorybob/Sig}}17:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Way too OP; suggestions should generally benefit both sides equally in terms of gameplay.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 17:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Generally speaking, yeah.  But there are a LOT of suggestions that do not.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 23:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
I don't agree. How is a survivor, in a ghost town with 30hp and probably infected a massive bonus, especially if he's been lying down for 4 days? he's already lost at least 150 potential AP's for the survivor side.  --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Ping me on IRC some time and I'll show you the correct way to use this loophole. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::I can think of a worse abuse (that I don't want to mention here.)  I wonder if we're thinking of the same thing. --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 20:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::For your own mental sanity, I hope that you don't.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 21:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm more worried about my idled characters in borehamwood being screwed over. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Each side gets balanced out in different ways. Zombies can generally stand up for 1 or 6 net AP loss after being killed, which is chump change compared to the net AP loss that the survivor side loses with each death. All I mean to say is, it's not exactly as black-and-white as it was explained, and there's really no need for this change from what I've seen. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Why is this different from a zombie dying and waiting till AP is maxed before standing again?  At best I could see some kind of penalty for standing after being revived (like Lurching Gait not working, for example), but even then I doubt something like THAT would pass.  Simply put your seeing a "problem" where there isn't one.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 00:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Fuck the Idle Out function===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>23:06 7 November 2009(BST)</tt>
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|'''Type:''' Game Change
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|'''Scope:''' All Players
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|'''Description:''' Yeah I said it, no more Idle Out function. It’s fuckin retarded in a game were no one can ever die. The only way it would be needed is if the game had perma-death. Since too many players are ball-less pussies, that ain’t gonna happen.
 
So here’s the fuckin news: Instead of Idling Out, after 5 days with no activity, you just die. Fall over, become a body. Bodies don’t Idle Out either, they fuckin rot. Uh huh.
 
Now you get a description of bodies depending on how old they are:
 
1 to 10 days: There is a body on the ground.
 
11 to 20 days: There is a moldy body on the ground.
 
21 to 30 days: There is a rotten body on the ground.
 
31 to 40 days: There is an extremely rotten body on the ground.
 
41 to 50 days: There is a desiccated body on the ground.
 
51 to 60 days: There are skeletal remains on the ground.
 
61+ days: No description.
 
Course, the game would keep track of bodies, so for example: “There are 7 bodies, 3 moldy bodies, 1 desiccated body, and 4 skeletal remains on the ground”
 
Once a character reaches “skeletal remains”, they can log in but no longer play. They see a screen like when you are asleep, but get this message: “You have become so rotted that you can no longer function.”
 
After 61+ days, the character is ERADICATED, and can no longer be logged into.
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====Discussion (Fuck the Idle Out function)====
{{SDW|16th November}}
Yeah, nope. This is a terrible idea. Also, ''mouldy''. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:{{Balls3}}{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>23:32 7 November 2009(BST)</tt>
 
Two words: Attention Whore. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
The scary thing is that I actually like the "remove super inactive players" part of this, but as always, doesn't this go in Humorous Suggestions?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 23:47, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
The [[Idle]] mechanic was disabled in [[Monroeville]] during the first quarantine. Every building was stuffed absolutely chock-ful of meatshields, which combined with the perma-headshot means the zombies quickly ran out. I did what I could to correct the issue, but one Monroevillain can only do so much… <tt>:(</tt> The piles of bodies were fun, though. I just wish the decay flavour part had been implemented, that would have been awesome. Overall, though, this idea is terrible. Sorry. <tt>:/</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:You would still fall over as a body after 5 days, so you couldn't just meatsheild anymore with this than you can now.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>23:51 7 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::It's not meatshielding that's the problem. The problem is that anyone who only plays at weekends comes back every week to find all their alts needing revives, taking even more time and AP off of them. It's an awful idea that doesn't actually improve a thing. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It would stop people from idling out and then magically appearing after a zombie devastation, which is a pretty weak tactic. It would make it a little harder on Survivors. This would be an improvement. If you can't log in for 5 days, even just to check up on yourself, you probably deserve to die.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>00:11 8 November 2009(BST)</tt> 
::::Yes. Not paying for ''two'' internet connections means all my characters deserve to die every week regardless. I run a group with several brain-rotted death cultists. You know how shitty this suggestion would make it for my guys to maintain those characters? Dmub idea. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Inconvenient for you, but that does not make it dumb. That's what you get for buying Brain Rot.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>00:19 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::::::Inconveniencing a lot of people for no reason pretty much sums up the word 'dumb'. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Ok whatever. :) I mean, you can say that this is dumb because this would inordinately inconvenience the tiny minority of players that chose to play "brain rotted death cultists", but it seems pretty biased there dude.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>00:44 8 November 2009(BST)</tt> 
::::::::No, it puts out anyone who plays on an irregular basis. Not everyone plays all the time, anyone who only makes weekends gets shafted under this idea. ''That'' is unbiasedly dumb. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that's what they get for being irregular. Inattentive people would die quicker. dunno, seems like they might just have to play better or more often. Maybe get some balls or something. You make it sound like the end of the world or something, oh a revive is so hard to come by. Shoot, it takes 55 days to be actually taken out of the game by this.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>00:58 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::::::::::I grow tired of your elitest, having-no-outside-life attitude. Fuck your suggestion up its ass. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::''Elitist''.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:21 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
:::::::::That's what I was thinking.  Other then ZL's hyper-rant, this suggestion is rather pointless as it is.  What is the difference between an idled-character becoming active again or a new character springing up out of no where?  Big deal, it is a non-issue.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::The difference is that under this you cant hide as an idle character and use it as a tactic, which is the sort of lame tactic that appeals to the ball-less.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:00 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
:::::::::::So, basically, you just want to force everyone to play at least once every 5 days, whether they can or not.  You DO realize the point of idling out right?  Yes, it is abusable, but what ISN'T abusable?  If you just get of your rant and high horse, you could probably think of something better than this crap.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 01:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::They wouldn't be forced to play, they would just suffer a minor inconvenience if they didn't. Which would be worth getting rid of the abusable nature of Idling Out. {{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:21 8 November 2009(BST)</tt> 
:::::::::::::Yes.  They would.  If I don't want my character to die AUTOMATICALLY.  I would have to play.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 01:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::You're being bombastic. You would not be forced into anything. You would simply suffer a minor inconvenience for being inattentive and lazy. Of course, if one had any balls, this would not bother them.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:36 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
:::::::::::::::Inattentive and Lazy?  Dork.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 01:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::So you have no argument then? Fine, I accept your defeat.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:45 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
:::::::::::::::::Accept ''yours''; this suggestion sucks and will never pass. Either back down and remove it or charge ahead like an idiot into the burning fires waiting for this concept, but don't just hang around here so you can prolong your little drama flame fest.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I could say the same about you...--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 01:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::I have accepted that the ball-less outnumber the those that own a pair. But you can't give up on the ball-less, though they will fight bitterly to maintain their lowly status. But those that finally grow a pair do thank me in the end. I'm only trying to help.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:53 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
Help who?  Your own deprived little ego?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:No! I come to help ''you'' Pest, and bring you into the light. Do not turn away from your salvation! You, yes, even '''you''' can grow a pair. I believe in you Pest.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>02:07 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
:Please don't feed the trolls; isn't it obvious that the only reason he's doing this is to piss people off and stir up drama? Just let it fade away.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::There is a pair inside of you just waiting to grow. Believe in yourself, LeDouche, and you shall grow a pair as well.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>02:20 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::Yes, that was my bad.  Some of us live and learn.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Blind fool, I do not troll. I am in earnest about your wretched state of ball-lessness.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>02:27 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::::Sorry to disappoint you, Zombie Lard, but those D&D dice of yours, they ain't balls. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Please don't feed the trolls; isn't it obvious that the only reason he's doing this is to piss people off and stir up drama? Just let it fade away.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Second. It was so very nice when he wasn't here trollin' any "I don't like this" with "GET BALLS," eh? If wasn't trolling, he'd just put it up for voting immediately... not like putting his fundamentally broken suggestions through DS makes a whole lot of difference with how the voting turns out. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 03:57, 8 November 2009 (BST)
 
Did some of you even look ''past'' the fact that it's ZL bringing the suggestion? Seriously, I don't see how it's "fundamentally flawed", so much as you guys bitching because of who is suggesting it. I think it'd be pretty damn fun. It actually encourages people to ''play more often''. Sure, it punishes those who don't, but it will push others to play more. Is that so bad? And the deletion thing isn't so bad either. It frees up names. ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 04:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:I believe all the major flaws in this suggestion have been raised; I have no bias against ZL, but this suggestion clearly isn't intended to pass.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 04:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::No, it is ''intended'' to pass. I don't ''expect'' it to, not because it's flawed, but because it's the [[User:Zombie_Lord/Urban_Pussies|Urban Pussies]] Wiki, which still lacks enough players with the balls to want to play a real game. Oh, I know, let's add a counter to track how many beers get drunk in a day. Let's add Fart Actions and have a counter to track the number of farts that characters blow out their ass in a day. Then there could be descriptions of how foul the city air is based on the total Farts in the city each day. Imagine the lulz!! I guess that would be more your speed.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>04:51 8 November 2009(BST)</tt> 
:Did you read the legitimate discussion points people brought up?  How does it "encourage" people to play more often?  It FORCES them to so that their character doesn't die.  All it does is hurt people that can't play on a regular basis and the way people play should NOT be forced on them by anyone other than Kevan.  This is a game.  It is supposed to be fun.  The "encouragement" of a handful of people to "play more often" is better than the disillusionment of the handful of people who keep dying (or even potentially lose their characters) because they can't play as often as YOU or the author wants them to?  The author's argument is that, basically, idling out can be used as a "sneak attack".  How is it any different for a brand new character to suddenly appear in game?  Or for a player to Free Run into your room?  Or for a zombie to stand up?  Or for a horde of zombies to bust in to your building?  Given that, this idea hurts more than it helps, unless he wants to outlaw all the other "sneak attacks".  They key to your statement is that it "punishes" those who can't play as often as you like.  I will play on MY time table.  No one else’s.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
'''Easiest way to deal with this one people is not to respond and spaminate anything he puts into the main system. You should not be responding here.''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 07:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Haven't you slit your wrists yet?{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>11:32 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
 
We'd be hip deep in skeletal remains. The idle out function is abusable, but only in specific cases, which could be fixed by having idled out players "wake up" outside the building they were in (if inside at the time). No need to remove it totally <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:09 8 November 2009 (BST)</small>
:But then Survivors could still make a pile of idled out characters that just wait for hordes to pass and then "activate" their hidden army of repairers. Inside or outside doesn't really matter. Skeletal remains only hang around for 10 days, so they would go away pretty quick.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>11:32 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
 
So let me get this straight. ZL, clearly lacking in balls, has a big piss stain on his pants about the mere possibility that someone might pseudo-teleport via idling out, and '''get''' him.  So to protect his fearful, pansy ass, he comes up with this rubbish and accuses anyone that disagrees of having his own, ball-less condition.  Heh, that's cute.  Like a sad puppy, or a poor kid trying to raise money to buy an X-mas gift for his dying mother. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 11:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:No, dipshit, it's about the Survivor Armies that hide in idle and only come out to clean up suburbs after hordes pass through. Single assassins are small potatoes.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>11:44 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
::I hope you'll take some constructive criticism.  There's actually some merit to changing the idling system but I see some problems with your suggestion.  Try the following changes:
::Lengthen the time to 8 days before a character "idles".  Do away with rotting flavor descriptions, it's just text spam.  Lengthen the time before a character drops dead (additional 2 weeks?) 
::With these changes weekend players could still do their thing without consequence.  Also, it would provide a mechanism for idled players to eventually die, and prevent "cloaked" survivors from mysteriously teleporting into existence with a generator and fuel in a ruined suburb.
::I think that's fair, it prevents abuse, allows casual play, and I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with their character dying after being abandoned for 22 days.  Zombie apocalypse or not, wouldn't you die if you just stood in the same place, taking no action, moving not once, for almost a month?--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Course I'll take constructive criticisms, it's just in rare supply on these pages. Anyway, yes, your ideas sound good to me.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>19:43 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
 
Would you guys '''shut up'''? I don't know who is dumber, ZL, or you people who ''keep feeding him''! Leave the damn flamebait alone and let it die already. He doesn't want constructive criticism, he doesn't want input, so just quiet down and let this piece of crap idle out...{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 16:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:HAHAHA...oh, LeDouche...go make up a suggestion about Shit Actions, and make it so we can throw it at each other for 0 damage. The fuckin LULZ WE COULD HAVE! Retard.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>19:43 8 November 2009(BST)</tt>
 
Well, well well. Look who's back. If it isn't my favourite idiot who has no idea about how to play the game. But when we say his suggestions are bad, we're wrong because we haven't played as zombies. Whereas I can tell that you spend so much time as a survivor. The long and short of this suggestion is that it hurts every player ever. It hurts people who aren't addicts, but most of all, it hurts survivors. If a zombie player doesn't log on for a week, they die, stand back up for 1AP. If a survivor doesn't, they die, they go to a revive point, spend a couple of days there, get revived. Complete abuse of the suggestions system. Please return to whatever hole you've been hiding in the past two months. I thoroughly enjoyed not waking up to see your terrible ideas spewed all over this wiki.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, nothing ever changes. I see you are still a pathetic little toady, doing tricks for table scraps.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>04:39 9 November 2009(BST)</tt>
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===URBAN DEAD IPHONE APP===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Meanoldrunk|Meanoldrunk]] 02:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' iphone app
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|'''Scope:''' iphone users
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|'''Description:''' an iphone app for ud cause playing on the phone stinks
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====Discussion (URBAN DEAD IPHONE APP)====
{{SDW|19th November}}
No--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 02:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
"cause playing on the phone stinks " This game was designed for playing on a PC, an iPHONE is designed for making phone calls and text messages, yes it has a browser but it's going to suck for 99% of website that haven't been designed for it. If that's your only justification then I want an App for my K550i as well and my phones been around longer so it should have priority --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 02:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
People with iphones are useless posers who need to understand that the whole fucking world doesn't revolve around them and that everyone isn't going to jump to code something at their whim. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:Don't be so harsh they're not useless, they are good for a laugh at! --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 03:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
As a ''useless poser'' who owns an iPhone, I've thought about coding something like this up as a way to learn the iPhone SDK, but, to be frank, it'd be more effort than it's worth. It's also outside the scope of what we should expect from Kevan. Definitely a no. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
NO AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF YOU GOD DAMN LAZY ASS iFUCKERS NOT DOING YOUR OWN SHIT. You want a fucking app for your 300 dollar piece of shit? Make it your god damned self. For now, I'm just going to take my Sansa View and, you know, use it for music. Because everything else I've got a FUCKING COMPUTER FOR. YOU KNOW? THE THING YOU TYPED THIS PILE OF GOD DAMNED GARBAGE ON?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 03:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:I like SA pissed off. He makes me laugh ^_^ --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 05:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::>:| --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 05:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:::>:D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 05:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:Sounds like someone's jealous they didn't get an iPhone for their birthday. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::I had one for about a week, took it back and got my View instead. It was cheeper (For more storage too) and, well, in my opinion had better functionality.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 14:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah, see, an informed decision. Just be aware that some of us also made informed decisions (or at least like to think we did), and don't think that the world is there to serve our every whim. But I do agree that many folks in the demographic that the iPhone is targeted towards seem to have a sense of entitlement that is rather annoying. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I know people who play UD on their phones with no problems. If iPhones suck, maybe someone who uses one will write a compatible stylesheet or whatever's needed... or maybe they'll, yeah, use a real browser. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:The problem is that there's really no need to. It displays the exact same on an iPhone as it does in a modern (non-IE) desktop browser, and I've used it plenty of times that way. The only problem is the slight loss of accuracy (as compared to using a mouse) if you don't zoom in far enough...which of course could be a bad thing if you accidentally click on the attack button instead of the FAK button, for instance. But really, the only thing a stylesheet might do is space the buttons out a bit more, while a native app would basically just be an uncluttered interface and nothing more. Other sites (eBay, banking sites, Facebook, etc.) have done similar things, but there's little point since the UD user base is so small and the iPhone owners amongst that group are even less. I mean, at best, we're talking about an app that maybe a few hundred people in the world would use. More likely just a few dozen, if even. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::I defer to your expertise, and suggest to the suggester: "<span class="plainlinks">[http://catb.org/jargon/html/D/Don-t-do-that-then-.html Don't do that, then!]</span>" {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 09:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Hardly expertise, but thanks for the vote of confidence! ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
first it was only an idea and as for them being 300 they are only 100 dollars and what am i posing as? i did in fact type this on my phone not my comp MAYBE  i should have asked for a mobile friendly option urban dead was ok on my old razor but unplayable on my wifes zte
:Please to be signing posts. Also mobile versions of the game would take extra coding which could instead be funnelled into adding new features, not making the same ones available to someone who doesn't want to sit down for 10 minutes in the day. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Also, this suggestion got shot down in Epic Fail Flames about a month or two ago for the reason that people didn't want to hear someone sit around and bitch about how they didn't have an app that they wanted. This page is for improving Urban Dead; if you want greasemonkey or iPhone apps then you're in the wrong place.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
[[Suggestion:20080508_Wap_Play|Dupe]] (almost) --[[User:Catherine Athay|Catherine Athay]] 11:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
This has been on DS so much it makes me fucking cry. Requesting another addition to suggestion do's and dont's. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 12:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:I can't really get away with putting stuff on the Do or Do Nots just because I don't like it. Otherwise it'd read "Anything you can think of" and be a protected page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::But if enough of us support it, it's okay right? RIGHT?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 13:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Get 9 users to support you and I'll add it, ''after'' you cut down the largest tree in the forest with.... A HERRING!!! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
This is why I have a PDA with a stylus. You should complain to Steve Jobs for ripping you off, not to people here. --{{User:Grungni/sig}} 12:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Double wield===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Kralion}} 18:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
|-
|'''Type:''' Zombie hunter skill tree
|-
|-
|'''Scope:''' Survivor
|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
|-
|'''Description:'''
|} Basically,dual wielding weapons would apply only for pistol and knife since they dont weight so much. If you are dual wielding a revolver,there is chance of making dmg x 2 since you hit with both guns, but the bad thing is that the accuracy is downed by 10%. Same goes for knife,chance of damage x 2, but 10% less accuracy. To dual wield weapons,click both of them and to stop dual wielding them click the weapon (that will become one) and they will appear in the inventory.


====Discussion (Double wield)====
{{SDW|15th November}}
Okay: 1) you screwed up your formatting; follow the directions next time. 2) Your grammar and spelling aren't great; your suggestion won't go far if it's hard to read, let alone support. 3) This is just a really crappy and overpowered idea that will never '''ever''' work; you ''do'' realize that zombies are player too, and don't appreciate survivors being allowed to run around with godlike weapons?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:You haven't even mentioned my favourite part. Pistol starting accuracy = 5%. Pistol accuracy is reduced by 10%. Pistol accuracy = -5%. So... It definitely won't work, and there's a 5% chance of healing the zombie for 10 damage? --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


How would this affect the ammo count of the gun(s)? Also, having a chance of double damage for pistols means it is the same as a shotgun(when the double damage happens) but with 15% more accuracy. Too overpowered. Younna: It wouldn't heal, it would just never hit. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}20:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?
:Ignore the accuracy comment. I can't military skills. {{User:rorybob/Sig}}20:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:I was jokign about the healing, because -5% is worse than never hitting.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GunsAkimbo Definitely needs a more drastic accuracy hit].  Make it 0% flat and disable reloading, and I'll vote keep. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 21:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 
Come on guys. You should have found this [[Suggestions/24th-Aug-2006#Dual_Wield]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 
If it halved accuracy, was a zombie hunter skill '''and''' used a round from each gun i would be tempted to say yes. otherwise you can shove it back in your trenchcoat :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 
As Ross and Honest, except with more "Die in a fire". -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:Leave my d20s out of your religious sermonising. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 
So, I can have a fire axe with 6% encumbrance and 3 damage, or 2 knives with 4% encumbrance and 4 damage? Both with a 40% chance to hit.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Dropping junk out of buildings===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Winman1|Winman1]] 21:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
|-
|'''Type:''' attacking
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|'''Scope:''' survivors
|-
|'''Description:''' when you are inside a barricaded building you can drop things out the window for 1 AP to damage zombies standing outside the building (if any are present). You cant target a specific zombie or person, its just a random target. Once you drop an item from the building, it is removed from your inventory. Without any skills, dropping an item out of a building has 5% accuracy. With hand to hand combat, the accuracy is 20%. A person with knife combat or axe proficientcy will have a 25% chance of damaging a zombie with the item for that particular skill.
Light items such as newspapers, beer, wine,books, and crucifixes will always hit a zombie (if one is there) with 0 damage.
normal items such as Hockey Sticks, pool cues, ski poles knives and golf clubs will cause 1 damage if they sucessfully hit a zombie standing outside.
Heavy items such as fire axes cricket bats, baseball bats, lengths of pipe, and toolboxes can cause 2 damage.
If you drop an item out of a building and have noone standing outside you just lose the item with no damage to anyone.
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====Discussion (Dropping junk out of buildings)====
{{SDW|16th November}}
Although the accuracy and damage is low, this is still just a way for survivors to attack the underpowered zombie side without even leaving the confines of their safehouse. I don't dig it, jack. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:As above. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 21:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


Read [[Frequently_Suggested#Barricade_Negation_and_Shooting_Through_Barricades|this.]] Should make it clear. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.
:As both Misanthropy and Ross have said. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


Its also a dupe of several other suggestions. Personally i have no problem with the concept as long as accuracy is terrible, you don't get XP for doing it and it can't cause headshots! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


Do you get the chance to target a specific character?  I hope not (because you would need [[Frequently_Suggested#X-Ray Vision|X-ray vision]] for that.)  If not then who is targeted?  The zombie at the top of the stack? A random zombie?  A passing survivor? --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 22:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?


Wait, not only are you proposing all of what's already been torn out of this, but you also want HTH to improve its accuracy? What? How? Why? In what way does your ability to perform ''tai otoshi'' help you drop things accurately? You have to actuall be 'hand to hand' for HTH to work, the clue's in the title. Or have you learnt The Art of Dropping Anvils by Grandmaster W. E. Coyote? Not even Hatsumi would make something so dumb up, and he's invented some right crap in his time. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


You know who used to spamflood DS? Blake Firedancer. I miss those days; his suggestions almost always sucked, but at least they were experienced and plausible...{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:Tselita was funnier. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::I feel simultaneously honoured and insulted. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 03:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::I kind of miss the Tranny now that you mention it.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Have you been reading up on BlueSpurt's failed Ideas? 'Cause this one reminds me powerfully of one of his that died in writhing agony...-[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 23:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


I like the idea, but the details are a bit lacking. Here's my take:
Please give your thoughts.
*Given that it's impossible to see outside your own building and thus you can't aim (as indicated by the random targeting), I think that it's unrealistic to have the accuracy be increased by aiming skills.
**Instead, why not have a flat 5% chance of hitting each target outside, starting with the most idle and working down the list until one is hit? This gives decent odds of hitting *something* if there's a large crowd, but very little if there are only a few people outside – which, again, is commensurate with how dropping objects into an unseen crowd would realistically work.
*Finally, I would have the damage done be weight/3, rounded down… so all the 2 encumbrance items would do 0 damage, common items such as pistols and shotguns (4%/6%) would do 1 and 2 damage, respectively, going up to heavy rare objects such as generators, paintings and Christmas trees (20%), which would do a whole 6 damage… *if* they hit.
Thoughts? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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===Alphabetization of Items===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:KainYusanagi|KainYusanagi]] 21:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Ease of "what do I have in my inventory?" play.
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|'''Scope:''' All Items
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|'''Description:''' Simple... Items get alphabetized. i don't know how many times I've lost track of my ammo while it's mixed into with FAKs or other things.... the buttons get really messy. Could we just get a little order to the things we pick up?-[[User:KainYusanagi|KainYusanagi]] 21:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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====Discussion (Alphabetization of Items)====
====Discussion (Backpack)====
This doesn't effect the merits of your suggestion, but there are Firefox plugins like UDtool and Greasemonkey extensions that organize your inventory for you, in case you wanted this, you know, ''actually fixed''.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 21:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yep, if you use Firefox and have Greasemonkey (or use Safari and GreaseKit or Chrome and GreaseMetal), [[User:Midianian|Midianian]] has a great script called UDICOS that does what you're looking for and more. Regardless, heck yes. The interface is a mess and needs major reorganization (*[[User:Aichon/Userscripts|cough]]*). Alphabetization definitely helps. Even just grouping similar items. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::I don't run Greassmonkeys or any of those other plugins, partially due to having issues with them having caused infections in the past and partially because I'm what I'd call an "originalist"... I play games with their original UIs because that's what's provided. I'd rather the source issue get fixed over just trying to cover it up. >.>;-[[User:KainYusanagi|KainYusanagi]] 06:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Let's be honest here, even if this suggestion gets passed, which it well may not, it's not likely the issue will be resolved, and certainly not quickly. Greasemonkey is virus-free, and if you're worried about infections, get NoScript for your browser and lock up your Javascript.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 13:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Why wouldn't it pass?  Granted there are [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_UI:_Main_Screen#Inventory better things] already in Peer Review, this isn't bad nor is it going to break anything.  Using "you can use scripts" isn't a reason to kill.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Because not that many suggestions pass these days, and because passing in no way means, implies, or even gives reason to hope that your idea will be implemented; it's just a pool Kevin might someday reach into if he runs low on think-juice. Granted, he's implemented suggestions before, but that was ages ago...{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::That has more to do with the general apathy of us wiki patrons then it does the suggestions.  Why do you think the really bad ones get so much "discussion"?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 01:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 
I don't want my items alphabetised. I want to be able to find them in the order they entered my inventory. Why should my basic user interface be changed for your sense of OCD? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:I would consider someone who wanted items to be displayed in the order that they were procured to have a stronger sense of OCD than the person that wanted to alphabetize items that are essentially jumbled together. It's one thing to accuse someone of having a sense of OCD if they're alphabetizing food in the pantry or some such nonsense, but it's entirely different when we're talking about buttons whose only representation is text on the screen. Alphabetization/lexicographical order makes sense here. Also, the order in the current system only functions if the user memorizes the order that they gathered the items. Since most people are not sufficiently skilled at memorization, nor have the desire to memorize such mundane details, the sensible thing to do is to put the items in an order that more players can use effectively. This can also be used to improve muscle memory to an extent, which is a desirable trait of user interfaces. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::The point is that you want to change ''my'' interface from what ''I prefer'' to what ''you prefer'' for no other reason than you'd prefer it that way. Give me a good reason why this change should be made when people have been coping fine for four years. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll agree that he didn't provide reasons in the description. As for me, I gave you at least three in my last comment: it makes sense, more players can use it effectively, and muscle memory can be applied.  If you want a few additional ones:
:::*People are used to dealing with alphabetical order, so it should be easier for newbies to learn how to use the interface (i.e. more intuitive to learn), which is good, since we all like newbies,
:::*It's easier to pick up where you left off when you come back on following days, since most people would have forgotten the order in which they picked up their items (i.e. no need for memory),
:::*It's more intimidating to an end user when they can't make sense of the things in front of them, and grouping like objects with each other reduces the complexity (i.e. it helps to eliminate the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice:_Why_More_Is_Less choice paradox]),
:::*I could also cite [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law Fitts's Law] and the fact that the current system increases mouse travel distance by not having similar objects grouped (i.e. it takes longer to use),
:::*If a user doesn't have the order memorized, they have to go searching for the next item after the one that they clicked on disappears from their inventory (e.g. if you need to FAK someone multiple times), whereas alphabetization lets people have an intuition for where it should appear.
:::I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons as well, and if I had my old computer-human interaction textbook, I'm sure I could cite a few case studies and whatnot. I'll grant that none of the reasons I gave are "slam dunk" reasons in and of themselves, but when an advocate for the current system is using terms like "cope" to refer to how users deal with the it, a slam dunk answer shouldn't even be necessary.
 
:::Besides, I've seen you around the wiki, and I've observed that you like to make decisions based on evidence and reason (at least, that's my opinion, though I may be mistaken, of course). While your personal experience may color your reasoning, as it does with all of us, I don't think you are honestly trying to suggest that this is a mere case of opinion vs. opinion and that there is no argument to be made for alphabetization as a superior arrangement over a seemingly-random one. I'm sure you're making the argument for some reason, but what it is, I can't fathom. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Isn't the newest item you picked up put at the bottom when you get it?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yep. That's what we've been talking about. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Then the above points are all...relatively pointless.  The game doesn't magically rearrange your stuff when you stop playing.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 07:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::But unless you memorized the order in which you picked up your items, you'll have no basis for understanding the arrangement of the items when you come back the next day. That's one of the major problems with the current system. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 14:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::So, it is REALLY that hard to figure out the order?  That the object at the bottom is the last one you picked up?  And the one the one at the top is the first one you picked up?  I can see where there might be some confusion to those unfamilar with the way English is displayed (left to right and down to the next line) but it really seems like all the "points" are just nitpick justifications.  1) Its not like objects "go bad" so what does it matter the order you picked stuff up? 2) Alphabetizing isn't necessarily going to alleviate the problem of "having to move the mouse too much" when you have to just click on the object.  Its not like you have to drag and drop the shotgun shell to the shotgun.  Not to mention there are [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_UI:_Main_Screen#Inventory better ideas] then simple alphabetizing.  I'm not saying the idea is a bad one, just that there are better ones and that the above points seem, to me, to be overdoing it a bit.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I feel like we're on different wavelengths here. Figuring out the order is not the issue. Being able to find items in your inventory is, and an ordering based on when items were picked up is not conducive to finding them later since it relies on memorization or else just visually searching. I'm afraid I don't quite understand or see the relevance of your #1 point, your #2 one seems to miss the obvious (best example: if using FAKs repeatedly, you wouldn't have to move the mouse at all since the next FAK in the inventory would take up the exact same pixels as the previous one if they were grouped next to each other, which would be guaranteed with alphabetization, but is not guaranteed now), and the third point (that there are better ideas) should not have an impact on determining the worth of ''this'' suggestion. I'll admit that I was making a big argument over small details, but reasons were requested, so I simply enumerated a few. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, we probably are.  I don't suppose it matters.  I'd probably vote keep even though there are better suggestions already in PR.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::The advantage of the current system, IMHO, is that disposables (ammo, FAKs, needles), get listed at the end, while the multi-use items slowly go to the top of your pile, and will always be in the same place. (Of course, for the real OCD people, empty your inventory and search for items in the right order :-) ) --{{User:Grungni/sig}} 12:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::luhlwhut?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:::If that was aimed at me, allow me to paraphrase and simplify my earlier point: "no u. my way is better." {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::::o i c wut u did thur.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 
So... Can we get this moved to voting, or is it gonna slumber here for awhile?-[[User:KainYusanagi|KainYusanagi]] 14:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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===No Freerunning from Ruins===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 23:52, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Ruin tweak
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors with freerunning, zombies with ruin.
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|'''Description:''' I'm sure the general consensus is ruin is a very powerful skill.  Maintained ruin in TRPs can and will shut down a suburb unless supplies can come in from outside, or the buildings are retaken.  This still only applies to TRPs, though.  As far as any other building goes, zombies not only have few reasons to ruin them, but they're at a severe disadvantage to even put out the effort to do so.
A zombie will ruin a non-TRP building for only three reasons:
1. Reduce places survivors can hide safely.
2. Morale boost for zombies/hit for survivors.
3. Disrupt freerunning lanes.
Seeing as if repaired within the first week of being ruined, survivors still have a net AP gain over the zombie who ruined the building.  That, plus how easily an unmaintained ruin (bound to be the non-TRPs) can be barricade strafed, we have each of these ruins costing zombies significant amounts of AP, both for tearing down the barricades in the first place as well as ruining it.
Secondly, the morale boost works both ways.  If anything, it's stacked against the zombies much more.  At current ratess, a survivor can repair six ruins for every one ruin a zombie can make, assuming it's unmaintained.  And as noted, no real zombie is going to maintain a non-TRP ruin.  Not only does that put zombies at the AP disadvantage as noted above, but it also allows survivors to claim, "Look how efficiently we're reclaiming the suburb from the horde," boosting their morale theoretically 6:1.
So that leaves the only real tactical reason for ruining non-TRP buildings: disrupting freerunning lanes.  You can't freerun in to a ruin, forcing survivors to spend 3 extra AP to go around each one.  One to jump onto the street next to the ruin, one to move to the ruined square, and one to enter the ruin and be reconnected to the freerunning lane.  The only problem with this strategy is, though, ruins, if anything, help feral survivors to be so much more easily connected to a freerunning lane.  A survivor unfamiliar with a suburb who doesn't metagame no longer has to check every building for an entry point.  They can spot ruins easily on their 3x3 map and just get in one to hop into the lane.
All that being said then, let's say we disallow freerunning from ruined buildings.  Attempting to do so would result in the flavor text: "The ledges and outcrops on this building are too dilapidated to free run from." and an AP is spent for the attempt, but the character will not be moved a space.
Because really, zombies should be ruining every building they can.  They really shouldn't be at a disadvantage for doing exactly what they were meant to do.
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====Discussion (No Freerunning from Ruins)====
{{SDW|16th November}}
Dupe.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 00:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of if it’s a dupe, I'm definitely not a fan. The whole 6:1 AP argument doesn't take into account the fact that only survivors with Toolboxes and Construction can fix ruins, or the fact that the net AP loss for survivors is generally much larger than six since they're sacrificing AP every time they try to move through that block. And while it does generally help feral survivors, I think that's a good thing, since it balances out the act of destruction that would otherwise entirely disrupt things for them. Plus, [[pinata]]s REALLY put a damper on a person's day already. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Also against this idea. You are essentially penalizing survivors who do not metagame, and that's a big no-no. Those who metagame should not have such a significant advantage over those who do not.--{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 05:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I definetly like this idea. I mean, how many players past level 3 or 4 don't have construction? And toolboxes are a dime a dozen nowadays. -- {{User:leoofvgcats‎}} 08:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:To answer your question, a startlingly large number of trenchies. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:I also know a large number of people who do not carry a toolbox because of the weight. They can carry more needles/FAKs and prefer it that way. Generally these are people in well-organized groups, but still. Not everyone has a toolbox.--{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention it depends on how a character chooses to play.  An 8th level zombie primary probably wouldn't have it.  Or somebody going for science or military skills.  So anyone that doesn't take Construction right away is a trenchie?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 19:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Not sure if you're partially responding to me, but "if A then B" does not imply "if B then A". I was giving an example of trenchies as a case where people tend to not carry toolboxes, but that doesn't mean that people who don't carry toolboxes are automatically trenchies. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It was more of a comment on people telling others "how to play", no offense intended.  It comes up in suggestions and/or in discussions once in awhile.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this is necessary.  I've been playing a death cultist again recently... consequently I don't give a damn if I do get caught outside and eaten, and I spend a lot of time in zombie-infested areas.  Even so, once about 1/3 of the buildings in a suburb get ruined, getting around is a giant pain in the ass for me, I'm sure it's worse for people that don't like group hagz and gh!zzaz.  Besides, I think ruins functioning as entry points to the free running network is a good thing.  It provides more opportunities for people who don't metagame much, and serves as a useful counter to idiots trying to turn an entire suburb into EHB Barricade Fortresses of DOOM.  Especially when a whole burb is in defense mode and every building is either ruined or EHB, it'd be pretty lame for there to be no practical way for breathers, death cultists and PKs to get back inside once they're ejected. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 08:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:That was my reasoning, actually.  To stop the EHBing of EVERYTHING.  I've been trying to play a character without freerunning, and it's about next to impossible to get into a TRP unless it's wide open.  If you have no way to get back into buildings, you're going to have to open up more entry points for revived survivors to get back in.  [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 16:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Seems like it would lead to a cascading failure. With this suggestion, if the zombies ruin one building, survivors are forced to knock others down to VSB to compensate. That makes the buildings easier for zombies to take and ruin, which leads to more needing to be VSB, and so on. A single generic ruin shouldn't have that much impact on a suburb. Alternatively, they ''don't'' knock buildings down to VSB, and everyone gets trapped outside. I ''might'' be okay with it if it only happened to ruins that were older than, say, 50 days, but not for every ruin. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this is a good change. Survivors do not need to be anymore nerfed than they already have been. At most, let there only be a CHANCE that Free Running doesn't work, ie, 40% chance that a survivor cannot Free Run out of a ruin.  --[[User:Chase1993|Chase1993]] 11:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:"Survivors do not need to be anymore nerfed than they already have been." Did I miss a major survivor nerfing update?  Because I don't really see how survivors have been nerfed any lately. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 16:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::They haven't; he's an idiot.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 21:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::What scares me a little is that the quote is often used when talking derogatorily about trenchies. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}21:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Which one? I'm a little slow this morning, mind filling me in?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 13:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
First, this isn't a Ruin tweak.  It is a Free Running tweak.  Secondly, I don't see how survivors can repair ruins 6 times faster than zombies can make them.  Assuming an empty building, the survivor would have to repair it the SAME DAY it is ransacked to get that.  If that were to happen, we wouldn't be hearing stories (and it wouldn't come up as suggestions a lot) of 100+ AP repairs.  The only thing I can say is I could see upping the cost of Free Running out of a ruined building to, say, 2 or 3.  But making it impossible?  That's a bit much.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 19:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
As presented this is just waay too much. A 1% per day of ruin chance of failing to freerun on the other hand seems a lot more fair? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:I rather like the idea of making it a 1% chance per day that the building has been ruined. It provides an incentive for repairing those buildings. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah this a dupe, but I like it, so they better find the right link. It's patently broken when zombies spend time, effort and AP breaking into a building, killing everyone and then ruining for the survivors to be able to cade everything up to SHB (Stupidly Highly Barricaded) because they've got a free entrance to the free running network provided by zombies doing what they should. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:Broken it may be, but do you really expect it'll change much?  I think if this is implemented, you'll still wind up with everything either SHB or Ruined, you'll just have a lot more dead people because of it.  Sure that's how it should be, but you've got to be at least a little willing to forgive abject idiocy if you don't want one of the sides to effectively disappear. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 04:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::I never forced the survivors to cade above VSB. That's their problem if they don't make enough entry points for themselves, precisely the same as if they sleep in resource buildings and die when they're attacked, not my problem, I didn't make them sleep there. The culture of barricade to infinity is meta-principle, like the Rogues Gallery, and therefore completely separate to game mechanics and balance. Initially I think there will be more deaths due to people being locked out, soon enough there'll be a lot more entry points and common sense will prevail. It doesn't change the fact that this is the only occurrence of an encouraged in-game and in-character act giving a massive benefit to your opposition. It needs fixing. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 04:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's a [[Suggestion:20080314_Don%E2%80%99t_Free_Run_into_Ruined_Buildings_1.1|dupe]].  Peer-reviewed too.  If Kevan was going to implement it he would have done so by now. --[[User:Catherine Athay|Catherine Athay]] 16:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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==Suggestions up for voting==
===Meatshielding Skills===
Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20091111 Meatshielding Skills]]
===Arcade Machine===
Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20091111_Arcade_Machine]]
===Pumpkin Count===
Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20091104 Pumpkin Count]]
===Show Encumbrance At Top Of Inventory===
Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20091106 Show Encumbrance At Top Of Inventory]]
===School lunches===
Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20091108 School lunches]]

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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

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Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
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Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

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Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

Discussion (Action Points)

Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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