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| | == API help == |
| | Bob Moncrief sent me your way. I'm looking at building a bot to prowl the Danger Reports and mark them as "unknown" after several months. I was thinking of using the API to pull page data and parse it to determine when it was last signed. It would also do the same for the MPMs every 5 days and mark them as 'old' or 'unknown' as needed. Bob didn't want to just give me the link to the API, and I don't blame him, but to talk with you about this. {{unsigned|Reimannsum|19:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)}} |
| | :Sorry, but bots were never my area. From what I know, there isn’t a link to give you. Once you actually build a bot, a ‘crat can assign it bot permissions, but otherwise there’s not much more to it than Googling around to see how to actually build it. If [[User:Revenant|Revenant]] is around, he can probably point you in the direction of folks who have experience making bots. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC) |
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| == Barrista Feedback ==
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| Hello again. I tried Barrista but isn't working properly. I thought that the others scripts/extensions could be messing with it, so I disabled them all but with no luck. Here's a [http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7325/urbandeadthecity1257387.png screencapture]. I'm using Firefox 3.0.15 with latest Greasemonkey. Regards.--[[User:Telepibe|telepibe]] 03:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :How very odd, but you're completely correct...it does the same thing in my copy of Firefox. Thanks for letting me know. I hadn't yet tested it in Firefox, just because it and Safari usually render things similarly and I wasn't calling this a full release yet, but obviously they didn't render the same this time. Not quite sure what to make of that. I'll look into it when I get a chance, but I'm not sure what the issue is or how much work it'll take to fix. Thanks again for cluing me in. Hopefully I'll get that cleaned up so the Firefox folks can use it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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| | I only just realised you added the suburb mini-map to my user subpage about redoing the Main Page. Thanks so much for that! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 00:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | :Hah, yeah, I had to look up what you were talking about since I couldn't remember the details. Apparently I had some time to kill that day. |
| | :Hopefully it proves helpful in the future. I eventually lost steam on my attempt at redoing the main page when I realized that the ideas we had weren't technically possible (no way to modify the CSS across all themes so that we could make drop-down menus work for everyone), but I'd love to see you get a redesign off the ground and put into place, since it needs an update and you've already had some good ideas for how to improve it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:28, 7 January 2020 (UTC) |
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| Hey thanks aich, couldn't have done it without ya, im new to this kinda stuff. If you ever need any help in the survivor world, give me a holler and ill see what i can do, ill leave my contact details here: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1627595
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| [[User:Medical1]] 19:06, 8 November 2009 (EST)
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| :Sure thing. Glad I could help (though, in the interest of full disclosure, I was the one that removed your ad as well when it was infringing). And again, if you need any help with the wiki, I'll be happy to help out a bit with the knowledge that I have (I'm a wiki rookie too, though my background gives me a leg up in learning it). As for in-game, my survivor tends to be up in the northwest, but if I ever find myself down in your area, I'll try to remember to look you up. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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| Hey Aich, my recruitment poster seems to have been taken down form the page, any idea why?
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| [[User:Medical1]] 21:29, 26 November 2009 (EST)
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| :I think one of the maintainers of the page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category:Recruitment&diff=next&oldid=1603500 removed it] because the [[:Image:R.E.D_Logo.jpg|image]] you are using is too big. Basically, images on that page are only allowed to be 56KB large, but yours is 102KB. To try and help, I've made a new version of your image that's under the filesize limit (it's about 45KB), but the colors are ''slightly'' washed out. You can see it [http://aichon.com/dumpbox/R.E.D_Logo.jpg at my website]. If you find the image acceptable, just save it to your computer, then [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=R.E.D_Logo.jpg upload it] to the wiki. That should do the trick, I think. After that, you can add back in your recruitment ad. I'll delete the image from my site at some point (probably not for a few weeks), so be sure to grab it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 10:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Once again, i thank you aich, although i dont really see what the colour difference is... [[User:Medical1]] 23:32, 27 November 2009 (EST)
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| :::It was a minor difference, and only really visible if you put the two images next to each other and looked at them side-by-side. Still, some people are very particular, so I wanted to point out that there were differences, just in case it mattered to you. I'm glad to hear that you're okay with it though, and I see that your ad is back up. Again, let me know if you need any help at some point. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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| My freaking god Aicon you are the best! i only put that suburb group up there for a few seconds and yet you still found it, thanks for the help (again) and i hope you enjoy your day. [[User:Medical1]] 20:56, 7th December 2009
| | == Your template coding still manages to troll years later == |
| | [[Soldiers of Confusedmen|This is comedy gold.]] --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 22:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC) |
| | :Hah! I haven’t played the game in years, but this made my day. I know there are a few other hidden gems scattered about, but I had forgotten about this one. Glad to see it paying dividends years later. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC) |
| | ::Someone played the long *con* here... --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 22:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| | Aichon you are beautiful. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 11:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC) |
| | :Just having a little fun. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC) |
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| == Character Formatting ==
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| Unless you have any strong objections, I think I'm going to steal some of your formatting on your character pages. Because it's just that sexy. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :Glad you like it. By all means, steal away. Though, obviously, it'd be nice if they didn't look ''too'' similar, so change the colors or something, ya know? ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 10:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I'll think of something. To be honest I was tempted to steal most of your Userpage formatting, but I don't feel particularly adventurous to make your main page mesh with what is already on mine. So just absorbing your character formatting seemed like a good compromise. :D --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 10:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Well, most of my formatting is pretty straightforward, at least in terms of code. I was lazy and just used very simple tables for most of it, rather than actually using divs with proper CSS like I should've. If you want more than just the character pages though, feel free. I don't have a problem with people borrowing the structure or code, so long as people don't get confused about whose pages are whose because they look similar. I was just glad I seemed to make something that could hold the inordinate amount of text I tend to spew, while still looking somewhat organized. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 10:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Just as an FYI, I'm sure you've realized that I didn't exactly make [[:User:Aichon/Journalbox]] with other users in mind, since it doesn't seem to match your color scheme. To help you out, I've now rigged it up so that the colors it uses are specifiable through variables in the template. If you go to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Aichon/Journalbox&action=edit edit it], you can see which variables correspond to which colors fairly easily, and should be able to customize it to match your scheme by just adding those variables to your page. I'm kinda sleepy, so if I did something dopey with the variables and you'd prefer them set some different way, let me know, since it's no skin off my nose. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::Yeah, I had noticed that too while I was half-asleep last night. I'll probably play with the variables tonight. Thanks again, and enjoy the holidays! --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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| I don't know if any of your characters use a [[DSS Satellite Phone]] or not, but that might not be a bad line to add to your journalbox. One of my characters is, and I just copied the hard code for it and [[User:Maverick Farrant/Characters/Lord Pendragon|added the line]]. Again, not sure if it's something that your characters use, but a thought. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 21:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC) | | == The years fly by...== |
| :I'm afraid none of mine use a DSS (the userscript doesn't work in my browser of choice). I'd look into making it an optional parameter if any of mine did though, since it'd be useful to have, for sure. But yeah, for now, I think doing what you did is probably the best thing to do, given that I never really expected that template to see any general use. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC) | | Good to see you pop back in every now and then. Had a peek at your backloggery - just added you on Steam. Hope you're well! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 01:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
| ::I think the template is quite nice considering it uses the UD interface color scheme (hence why I didn't change any of them) and looks much better than perhaps a bulleted list of information about one's character. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 04:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC) | | :I was actually reminded to poke in because I just switched to using some note taking software (Obsidian) that can operate a bit like a personal wiki. And I’m doing great! Life’s been crazy, but in good ways. Another kid, a different (better) job, and parents retiring five minutes away have meant a lot of changes. |
| | :Accepted on Steam, though I’m only marginally more active on Steam than here, so it’s nothing personal if it takes me a few months to notice a chat message. I actually still check Backloggery on a daily basis, even though I rarely engage with anyone socially. |
| | :You been holding down the fort? Took a quick glance around and it seemed like there aren’t any projects that could use quick advice. Even the drama has been fairly low recently from what I’ve seen. And what’re you up to these days off-wiki anyway? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
| | ::Very low, very dormant. Just the same ol' wiki ticking along nowadays. Obviously it's a shame, but in some ways it's welcome. Parents retiring near you sounds like a great change, especially when kids are involved. What's new since we last chatted? Hmm. I got a mortgage and a ring, so that's new. No kids though. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 09:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC) |
| | :::Oh, ''just'' that? ;P Congratulations and well done! And no rush on the kids. We also enjoyed having a few years before the kids arrived, which gave us time to do some projects and traveling that would've been 10x harder with the kids. We love them and wouldn't change a thing, but renovating the kitchen or taking a transatlantic flight would be a non-starter for us these days. How's home ownership so far? Hopefully you've been able to enjoy the newfound freedom that comes from home ownership without having to deal with the headaches that can arise. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC) |
| | HELLO SIR LONG TIME NICE TO SEE YOU. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 14:37, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
| | :SALUTATIONS IT HAS BEEN TOO LONG I RECIPROCATE YOUR SENTIMENT. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| == On Character Names, Webcomics and Being Senselessly Pounded... == | | == == |
| Indeed, it refers to the webcomic you think it does. Yes, it is a most fun comic. Very shiny, very sparky. I take it that you're a fan of the series? -[[User:Wulfenbach|Wulfenbach]] 08:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
| | penus {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC) |
| :Very much so. I haven't been following the podcasts/radio broadcasts, admittedly, but I do follow the comic, and I've been enjoying the recent arc through the castle quite a bit. I was really sad to see Buck Godot come to an end earlier this year, since it was another comic of theirs that I rather enjoyed. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 10:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC) | | :About twenty years back a grandparent told me a story about how they were talking with their very young granddaughter. The city of Miami came up at some point in one of their conversations. The granddaughter interrupted her grandfather. “Grandad”, she said, “It’s not your Ami, it’s my Ami.” Kids are selfish, yo. |
| ::I agree, as I prefer it to the gaming-related one they do. Ah well, all things end. -[[User:Wulfenbach|Wulfenbach]] 21:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC) | | :Anyway, your misspelling reminded me of that story for some reason. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC) |
| :::Indeed. Even so, GG seems to be getting better as it goes on. I remember back when they opened it up so that the 101 class was even with everything else. Felt like Christmas day when I suddenly found I had a few hundred comics to catch up on. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
| | ::i'm kids. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC) |
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| == An opinion, good sir == | | ==In-game zombie names== |
| Hey there. Since I generally value your opinions and such, I wonder if you might respond to an open query I've made [[Category_talk:Location_Images|here]]. It involves categories and subcategories of categories. I don't know if you follow that type of thing, but if you do I'd appreciate any comments you might have. thanks!--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 01:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
| | Hello Aichon! There's a script of yours I would really like to use that I just can't seem to get working. I have had another player test too with the same problem. It's UD Same Character Highlighter. Sometimes with your scripts it's just a matter of changing the old references to http to https, but that didn't save me this time. Would be very handy to get Same Character Highlighter working for my group as we're zombies and it's a nightmare tracking who said what in-game as it just says "a zombie said". A full zombie name displayer would be even better, but I don't think there's a script for that? Thanks! {{unsigned|Ragno|10:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)}} |
| :Thanks for asking (and the vote of confidence), but I'm afraid I'm pretty clueless when it comes to categories (I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I really am a wiki newb that is still learning the ropes). I don't see any drawbacks to what you've suggested, since it does seem like it'll help tidy things up, but, again, my knowledge of such things is limited. That said, you might want to talk to The Rooster about a bot if you're going to be doing a few thousand edits. He could probably rig something up that does it for you in a hurry, I'd imagine, assuming he has time. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
| | :Sorry for the super-slow response. It's been...a hectic few weeks. It's been a bit since I've been active in-game. Is Dumbwit or some other service that captures a snapshot of the game still around? If so, can you link me to a recent one that shows something like what you're talking about where a group of zombies is talking back and forth? Testing UD Same Character Highlighter was always tough because those messages disappear if you refresh the page, so I used to have a handful of iWits or Dumbwits around to help with testing it. |
| | | :No promises on a timely fix for this (i.e. it may never happen, so don't get your hopes up too much), but if time allows in the next few weeks I'll see what I can figure out. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC) |
| | | ::No worries on response time, thanks very much for giving it a look. Here's a couple of ispy links that you can try it on. |
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| | :: https://ispy.dxavier.net/1459863366.html https://ispy.dxavier.net/1641562398.html {{unsigned|Ragno|22:15, 06 December 2023 (UTC)}} |
| Disturbingly being one of the "old folk" that I rapidly realise I'm becoming around here, I note that theres a small bunch of you "younguns", actually looking at improving the place, checking the categories and the like, and helping people. Yourself, Maverick, Giles, and slightly further behind yonnu and rorybob.
| | :::Good news - Avarice77 fixed it for me. Thanks! https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/497161-ud-underline-related-profile-links {{unsigned|Ragno|14:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)}} |
| | | ::::Awesome. Yeah, I've had a reminder poking me about this every week for the last few months, but it had been so long that I forgot what my reminder was even about. >_< I'm very glad you were able to get it sorted out. I'll update that entry with a link to his code. Thanks! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} |
| Now in fairness, the day to day tasks are being handled pretty well. Protections, speedy deletions and the like are cleared most days, but as mis said in his promotion bid, the wiki is in places a reflection of past glories. Having written up the [[dark]] page and [[halloween]] stuff this year, i think we need to have a real root and branch review of all the important pages.
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| Now as a person with a good understanding of wiki editing, and a desire to improve the wiki, you're half way there. I feel your self assesment is right, do you need it?, and how will you involve yourself in those areas of the wiki considered "Drama Filled"?
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| But hey. Whatever right? I'd actively encourage you to persue it, but thats my opinion. Expect some more Recent Changes stalkers to chime in below. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :NO I AM NOT A RECENT CHANGES STALKERi resent that label {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 12:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |
| :what ross said {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 12:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |
| ::I came back to the page for this? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |
| :::Yeh see, this is exactly why I was "saving my vote" for Aichon. You'd make a good sysop dude. What's needed isn't janitorial experts, though that is a definite plus on the old resume/CV. In fairness, none of us will ever have the janitorial expertise of Rooster, and he can pretty much do more with his terrifying bot technology than 5 or 6 of us dedicated users can achieve in janitorial departments. | |
| :::What the wiki needs is level-headed sysops who are interested in helping others and who will establish an environment of well-considered reasoning and helpfulness. And probably the wiki needs a strong identifiable goal, in the same way that wikipedia has the goal "to write an encyclopedia". And you're someone who will consider your opinions before making them and who will try to be productive. And if you fuck up the wiki while learning on the job, no big deal. The old-timers can fix your mistakes while you learn. =D --{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::In terms of being a great sysop, you say that about quite a few users, none of who are sysop worthy. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|SlateBlue|SlateGrey}}-- 12:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::That's ironic, you've promoted someone who wasn't sysop worthy. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:53, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::In the eyes of a petulant infidel? Quite, --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|SlateBlue|SlateGrey}}-- 12:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::In the eyes of the majority of those that took the time to put forward their opinion. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::10 minutes to think that up, disappointing. You are the only one still preaching aimlessly, they have seen the light. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|SlateBlue|SlateGrey}}-- 13:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::I'm sorry for my bad post :( {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 12:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| Man. How I wish I'd taken as much thought to the matter of being a Sysop as you. Now I look back on it, I was horribly inexperienced (and still am) in the drama aspects of the wiki, and wanted to be a Sysop for the status symbol, which is the completely wrong way to look at it. Of course, this completely ruins any chance of me becoming a 'sop in the future, but with my attitude to things like this, that's a good thing. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}18:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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| I want to address a few things, but before I start, I want to be clear that I do change my mind as I am presented with new facts and educate myself on various topics. I expect that I'll view the situation differently in a few months, but this is my stance at the moment.
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| To get to the crux of the matter, I don't see a need for me to be a sysop right now. The two good reasons I've seen for being a sysop are if someone has a need for the buttons or has a valuable opinion to contribute to the admin pages (preferably both). My opinion on admin issues is ill-informed at the moment (especially in regards to complex issues), so while I do plan to educate myself on how things work over there, I'm currently uneducated in those matters. As for the buttons, the types of tasks I deal with have not been hindered due to a lack of buttons. So, on both counts, I'm not a good candidate, and am, frankly, unqualified at the moment.
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| Regarding the drama areas, I do intend to dip my toes in those areas over the coming months and get a feel for them, but, at least for now, I have no idea if I'll become interested in (and capable of) dealing with drama or if I'll find the idea intolerable. As for janitorial duties, I've slowly been finding niches where I can help, and I plan to expand the work I do, but so far I've had little interest in assuming responsibilities just for the sake of assuming responsibilities. I like the freedom of being able to contribute where and when I want, without having to worry about meeting expectations. Is it selfish? Definitely! But this is a wiki for a game. If I'm not deriving some sort of enjoyment from doing what I'm doing, I'm doing it wrong.
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| Anyway, this response is already too long. If you guys want to discuss it further, I'll still respond to any comments here, but I'd prefer that you talk about it with me via IRC, e-mail, or some other channel. I don't want to end up being an attention whore by playing coy, but it seems that's what's happening. In the meantime, I plan to continue interacting with more of the wiki over the next few months, and will continue to evaluate my own qualifications and desire to be a sysop. I probably won't seriously consider the idea of being a sysop until closer to March anyway, since I'll be ramping up work on my thesis until then. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:29, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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| == [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:D3ad_Boi&curid=129667&diff=1620341&oldid=1620325 ALL ThIngs D3ad's recruitment ad] ==
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| I changed it to make it clearer for the user (in [[ALL_ThIngs_D3ad/Recruitment|this page]] he got it kinda wrong). :) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :That's like a double-impersonation, since you changed what I said he had said when he got it wrong the first time today. Anyway, 'tis fine by me. I certainly don't mind. And I hope you don't mind that I changed your link too. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::OMG VANDAL! --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::I haz dizclamer at top. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Cookie|[[User:Maverick Farrant|Maverick]]|[[User:Aichon|Aichon]]|reason=his most excellent work in helping solve an inter-browser template coding issue!}}
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| Thanks again, dude. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :Sure thing. *adds cookie to main user page* And now I'm going to bed. Really. I mean it this time. I swear I'll do it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I hope so. Otherwise I'm going to make a template that says you don't get any sleep because you're always on the wiki. Harhar! --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Damn. Just noticed you already have a template for that. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Heh, yep. Come next week though, I won't have a reason to be up at specific times any longer, so I'll probably be awake at all sorts of odd hours. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| == CHUD ==
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| I'm flattered that you decided to use the CHUD codebase for one of your GM scripts! :) Just a note--jimflexx took the script and ran with it, implementing several new features. Should you want to peruse the changes, just pick up a fresh copy of CHUD. Happy scripting! - <small>[[User:Haliphax|<span style="color: #FF9999;background: #394939;padding-right:8px;padding-left:7px"><small> '''H'''aliphax</small></span>]][[User talk:Haliphax|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-left:5px;padding-right:2px">'''T'''</span>]][[User:Haliphax#Characters|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;">'''C'''</span>]][[User:Haliphax#Scripts|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-right:5px;padding-left:2px">'''S'''</span>]]</small> 16:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :Well, you're being very gracious, and I appreciate that, especially since I'm taking it in a different direction than your original vision. So, I do want to thank you for letting me use your code. As for the update, that's actually what I started from. Prior to that, I didn't know why it wasn't functioning for me (GreaseKit can't do as much as Greasemonkey, and I thought that might be to blame), so I had never looked into the code to try and fix it. I had always planned to write up my own script to meet that need, but once his update came out, and I saw that it worked, I used that as the basis and ran from there. All of the code I've posted has been thrown together in the 3-4 days since I saw that chud had been updated.
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| :I'll add in credit for him where appropriate on my page, since I hadn't done that yet. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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| == Reply to ingame statement ==
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| ^_^ --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :I was beginning to wonder if you had seen it since I made it a day or two ago. Anyway, the group my survivor is in is going to be in the suburb for the next few days at least, so we'll probably be bumping into each other. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ==The Daubeney Building==
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| I see [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1598119 one of your characters] is in there, now. If you want to meatshield the place, fine, but you might want to keep an eye on your fellow survivors while you're in there. You seem an upright sort, and we've had issues with breathers resorting to zerging to take and hold the place, notably Knights of the Eternal Flame and Bonphire/phirefly. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 11:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :Yep, that's me. And I see that a character of yours is one of the [[Daubeney_Resident_Zambahz|usual residents]]. The group my character is in seems to have made it a personal project to hold that building while they're in town, but the SoC doesn't believe in zerging. I'll be on the lookout for any occurring, but if you see ANY zerging with our group (or even other groups), you let me know. Just as a heads up though, we are a pretty large group (50+), so it's not too difficult for us to keep a place full of bodies around the clock, especially a TRP. I doubt we'll be in town for too much longer, since we're looking to get back into some action (the only action we're seeing in EB is with you guys, honestly), and I'm sure you guys are eager to reclaim your home.
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| :As an aside, I know you weren't accusing me or anyone else of anything and were just advising caution, but if you are ever curious where my characters are, I have the locations of all of them (except the survivor you spotted, due to a request from leadership) visible on [[User:Aichon/Characters|this page]]. To say the least, I take zerging concerns seriously, and want to make sure it doesn't happen, [[User:Aichon/Other/Alt_Proximity_Warning|even by accident]]. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::It ''is'' a pretty dead suburb, though I'm surprised to hear the Daubeneys are the only opposition you're running into. I already do report obvious zerging and suspected zerging I encounter to the ZL (including zombie zerging, though that's a bitch and a half to spot), any special reason you'd like to be informed personally in addition? I just pointed it out to you because you seem an honest player from your posting habits, and you've currently got a much better view inside the place than I do.
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| ::Regarding zerging zombies, perhaps you could make that substantially easier to spot for some of us, in addition to just making life easier for folks whose friends are mostly dead. Among udWidget's features is a zombie name display function; that feature alone would be worth using udWidget for some zombies and zombie sympathizers, but the extension doesn't work for players using unix-like operating systems such as Ubuntu. I tried to get that portion of the widget working as a greasemonkey script, but I don't know jack about javascript. Judging by [[User:Aichon/Userscripts|this]] you're fairly interested in and capable of solving these sorts of problems; do you think you could come up with a zombie name display tool that doesn't depend on or exclude any specific OS? --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 11:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Regarding zerging, you might have picked it up elsewhere, but I'm actually a pretty new player to the game still, so, embarrassingly enough, I honestly don't know how to definitively pick out zergers from a crowd. Is there anything in particular you look for? Is it just a matter of similar names and join times, or is there something else?
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| :::As for informing me, we don't go out of our way to hunt down zergers (or PKers, for that matter), so we don't check the ZL regularly, but when we do find out that people are zerging, we make a point of distancing out group from them and avoiding them. I was just thinking that, at least while we're in the suburb for the next few days, if you saw anything improper occurring, it could clue us in to unscrupulous folks that we wouldn't want to be associating ourselves with. I don't want to put any undue burden on you though, nor did I have it in mind that you should keep us in the loop for all future zerging reports. :P
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| :::Onto the script idea, I know exactly which feature you're talking about (it's one of the niftiest things), and I wish I could make it into a userscript, but I'm afraid it's beyond where I am right now. The problem for me is that it relies on making additional server requests in the background as the extension is running (the names of the zombies aren't loaded with the page, so they have to be retrieved in the background from the profile pages of each of them), which I don't know how to code up. And if that hurdle were jumped, I believe that the browser I use, Safari, locks out those sorts of things due to security concerns.
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| :::I'll take a peek again at it at some point and see if it might be possible to get it running in Firefox (and if it's an issue with *nix, then I should run into it as well since I'm on a Mac), but I wouldn't count on me coming through on this one, since I think it's just a bit too far beyond my knowledge and capability. Sorry. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Well I'll say right out that there's no way to be 100% certain what you're looking at is zerging, but that can open up the can of worms about fallibility of the senses and the sentient mind and whether a human can be certain of anything it knows or experiences, and I really don't like getting into that particular philosophical discussion. Just take it as a caveat that mistakes can happen.
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| ::::Name similarity is where it starts, and close join dates helps, but that alone isn't enough. You watch for patterns, and other weird little details that don't look quite right, those will add some weight to the initial suspicion.
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| ::::For an example, [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=699059 this] [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=704917 guy] attacked me in zombie form a long while back, I only bothered checking the profiles because ZKing is pointless except for XP-desperate newbies, so it's kind of confusing to see. The characters essentially have the same name, just with slight variations (how many Filipinos named Kevin exist, anyway?), they joined UD less than a week apart, and to add some weight the attack timing was weird. It was one long stream of incoming attacks with no breaks, as if they'd both gone active simultaneously, except there was zero overlap between them - one burned itself out completely and then the other started up immediately after - looking more like one player finished one of his characters and then logged on the other quickly, rather than two guys hitting at the same time.
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| ::::Another example of one I happened upon was [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=75126 Ivan2X]/[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=66595 CrazyIvan2X]. Being ''extremely'' generous, they have different names in their Real Name slot, maybe they're just fans of the same fictional character, one found UD and told the other about it 5 days later, and they have the same shirt size or something, but it does look bad. However, when I found them, they were in the same building with one [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=248066 Rob Kohler], with the same Real Name entry as CrazyIvan2X. At the time, CrazyIvan2X and Rob Kohler had ''identical'' survivor form descriptions (they might still, but I can't tell right now, one's alive and the other's undead). So now we've got CrazyIvan2X looking a lot like he's also Rob Kohler, and it's a lot harder to give Ivan2X the benefit of the doubt because CrazyIvan2X is already looking guilty. One more detail that isn't a problem on its own, but doesn't make Rob/Ivan/Ivan look much better, they were [http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/graveyard_grizzly/threelittlezergies.png arranged quite neatly] in the order of active character timing, one after another.
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| ::::Then you find people like [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=304750 Rathar of KEF] and [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=376242 KEF Rathar]. Join dates aren't too similar but you really don't need it. Guy's got the same name in two different forms, same Real Name too, both in the '''Knights of the Eternal Flame (KEF)''' group. In the same group you find [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=355835 Egan of KEF] and [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=375282 Ray of KEF]. We're starting to see an '''X of KEF''' name theme, here. Note also that Egan and Ray both have "A Pristine looking uniform in these times. A Patch with a silver shield with a Red and Yellow Cross in it." as their survivor description, right down to identical grammatical errors, and this is copy/pasted (again, including identical grammatical errors) from Rathar of KEF's description. (And though I'm ashamed it took me more than two seconds to notice it, and don't currently have the UDID handy, there's also a Peter running around... somebody is a Ghost Busters fan.) The same group also includes [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=313891 Kimmuriel of KEF] (identical description to Egan and Ray), [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=304841 Redgar of KEF], and [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=358965 Sir Robyn of KEF], are we starting to notice a pretentious quasi-medieval names pattern yet? Redgar looks like a dwarf and has a fantasy dwarf-like surname in his Real Name blank, and Sir Robyn actually claims to be wearing chainmail, I guess he likes D&D too (can't fault him there, so do I). I think [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=28560 Major Rager] might be the only non-zerg member of KEF, and that's assuming the Real Name of "pete" doesn't indicate he was Peter of the Ghost Busters (pretty weak link there, though, not really worth pursuit).
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| ::::And then you've got [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-28-07_0700hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_26-35_missed_by_three_7e9-e45-799.html some people] so obvious you don't even bother making an explanation of your reasoning.
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| ::::Can I say I'm absolutely certain all these people are zerging? No, I can't. Would I put money on them having been zerging if it could be proven for or against, before the big reveal? Sure would. It's a gut feeling thing, but I think you can probably see from the examples I've given that some gut feelings can be fairly compelling.
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| ::::Regarding the zombie namer script, hey, don't worry about it. Maybe you'll get there some day, and if not, oh well. Just thought I'd run the idea by you, since it'd make spotting zergers hiding behind zombie anonymity easier, and you do get your script on. Certainly didn't mean to imply an obligation. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 14:47, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::Wow! That response was a lot more detailed than I expected. Thanks for going to the extra effort! I guess one of the things that's always confused me is how to tell the difference between a coordinated group and a single person controlling multiple characters. For instance, I strike with [[MOB]], and we effectively have no break between when one zombie is attacking and the next one starts. Granted, the names and join dates are wildly different, but the pattern of attacks is there, nonetheless. Some people are obvious, of course, but I always wondered about those coordinated groups.
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| :::::As for the script, no worries. I didn't feel any obligation, but I did want to explain the problem. It was actually something I had considered trying to implement at one point, until I thought through what it would require. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Real coordinated attacking can look iffy, and as I said, mistakes can happen, but strike teams generally don't have spelling/grammar variations on the same name, and they ''usually'' aren't cooperating to do something bizarre like Team ZKing (how often do you expect to find that happening, anyway?). I know some strike teams will take turns to avoid tangling grasp conflict, but even then you'll tend to see timing overlap like ''A zombie ('''deadboy''') destroyed a generator (2 hours and 36 minutes ago). A zombie ('''genericzombie''') clawed you for 3 damage. (2 hours and 35 minutes ago) ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. (2 hours and 34 minutes ago) ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. A zombie ('''deadboy''') clawed you for 3 damage! (2 hours and 33 minutes ago) ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. (2 hours and 32 minutes ago).''
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| ::::::It is unfortunate that a lot of people (me included) will tend to take a "guilty until proven innocent" stance on the issue, and some people get wrongly accused, but it's the way things go. It's also problematic that zergers with the sense to know what looks iffy and avoid it won't ever be caught. It would be nice if there was more on the game side toward avoiding or punishing zergers, or better yet, more integrity in the community (like that'll ever happen), but as it is all we can really do is keep our eyes open, guess carefully, share info and hope that each individual's negative reaction to the zergers builds up to collectively grief them out of the game without any individual actually having to be guilty of griefing. --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 01:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Honestly, with the coordinated groups, they tend to get known for being coordinated groups, and distinct members can generally be identified in other ways (they chat on IRC somewhere, have a presence on the wiki, etc.), so oftentimes I do think the "guilty until innocent" approach is simply more practical in the case of UD. Even so, I do have to say that before I learned about zerging concerns, I always thought it'd be fun to get a group of my real life friends to join, work closely together, and have very similar names, just to confuse the people we're attacking. And I do agree that more integrity would definitely be nice, but won't be happening anytime soon. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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| Heh, hope the impression I made was a good one, or at least got an entertaining reaction, and no zerging suspicions. I don't think I could pull off a slaughter like that every day, though. Some of those guys were injured, I think only one of 'em had a flak on, I have a crapton of ammo, and I was right outside the building which was VSB when I first stood up. You can thank [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=116809 Davo] for me being alive, preferably with bullets. ;) --[[User:Mold|Mold]] 12:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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| :They only had nice things to say about you. Well, while they weren't cursing you and stuff, of course. :P
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| :We also had a few people reiterate that this is the sort of reason why we shouldn't be CRing zombies. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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