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| ==Developing Suggestions==
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| ''This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''
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| ===Further Discussion=== | | ===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast=== |
| *Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
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| *Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general, including policies about it, takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].
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| ==Please Read Before Posting==
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| *'''Be sure to check <big>[[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]]</big> and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.''' You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''': a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/19th-Nov-2005#Sniper_Rifle|Sniper Rifles]].'''
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| *Users should be aware that page is discussion oriented. Other users are free to express their own point of view and are not required to be neutral.
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| *If you decide not to take your suggestion to voting, please remove it from this page to avoid clutter.
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| *It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
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| *''After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes '''before''' suggesting alterations.''
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| ==How To Make a Suggestion==
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| ===Adding a New Suggestion===
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| *Paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, right under the heading.
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| *Substitute the text in <font color="red">RED CAPITALS</font> with the details of your suggestion.
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| *'''Name''' - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
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| *'''Type''' is the nature of the suggestion, such as a ''new class'', ''skill change'', ''balance change'', etc. Basically: '''What is it?''' and '''Is it new, or a change?'''
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| *'''Scope''' is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically ''survivors'' or ''zombies'' (or both), but occasionally ''Malton'', the game ''interface'' or something else.
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| *'''Description''' should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.
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| ===Cycling Suggestions===
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| *Suggestions with no new discussion in the past two days should be given a warning notice. This can be done by adding {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section, where <font color="darkred">date</font> is the day the suggestion will be removed.
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| *Suggestions with no new discussion in the past week may be removed.
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| *If you are adding a comment to a suggestion that has the warning template please remove the {{CodeInline|1='''<nowiki>{{SDW|</nowiki><font color="darkred">date</font><nowiki>}}</nowiki>'''}} at the top of the discussion section to show that there is still ongoing discussion.
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| This page is prone to breaking when the page gets too long, so sometimes suggestions still under discussion will be moved to the [[Developing Suggestions/Overflow1|Overflow page]], so the discussion can continue.
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| <span style="font-size:1.75em; color:red">'''Please add new suggestions to the top of the list'''</span>
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| ==Suggestions==
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| ===The Winter of our Discontent===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Verance|Verance]] 18:38, 1 April 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Weather | | |'''Type:''' UI enhancement |
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| |'''Description:''' Malton has weather. It isn't updated by the day, but we know it snows sometime every winter. I would like to suggest that this winter, the month of January, be a particually ''nasty'' winter. I am proposing these changes for January. | | |'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked. |
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| My idea revolves around a bad cold snap in the area of Malton, plunging the temperature into the negatives. The changes would be as such. The first part will focus on suggested survivor changes, the second on suggested zombie changes.
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| *'''Powered buildings''': No changes so long as the generator keeps running. No changes in search rates or anything else.
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| **Day 1: You are standing inside (building name). Frost is starting to form on the window. (follow with normal description, survivors, and so on. No change to searches or any other mechanics.
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| **Day 2: You are standing inside (building name). Frost has covered the window, and the room has gotten cold. (normal description). There would be a 5% reduction to searches in the building.
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| **Day 3:You are standing inside (building name). You are shivering in the cold. (normal description) 15% reduced search, and 5% reduced accuracy.
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| **Day 4 and beyond: You are standing inside (building name). Frost has covered the room, and you are shivering violently in the cold. (normal description). 30% reduced search, and 1 hp lost every half hour due to the temperature. Accuracy is decreased by 10% more.
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| *'''Ruins''': A couple of assumptions. For the most part, ruins have the doors wide open and have been "damaged". This would exacerbate the cold in the building.
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| **Day 1: You are inside (building). Cold air is seeping in, and snow has blown in through the door. It is cold inside. No changes beyond a normal ruin
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| **Day 2: You are inside (building). You are shivering in the cold. Snow has piled in the room, and a layer of frost covers everything. +1 ap/day to to repair from this point per day. There is a 1 HP loss per half hour. -5% accuracy
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| **Day 4 (yes, 4) and beyond: You are inside (building). You are shivering violently from the cold. +1 additonal ap/day to repair from here on out. - 10% accuracy.
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| The difference in ruins would be additional AP to repair and a HP loss from sleeping in the building.
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| **You are in (location) It is bitterly cold, with wind blowing snow everywhere. You shouldn't stay out for too long. The effects from the cold would be as follows:
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| **-15% accuracy outdoors. It is snowy and windy, and that would hinder attacks. There would also be a decreased search in the outdoors due to the weather (not that people search the streets for much, right?).
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| *'''Revives''': Here is where I thought for a bit. People will still want to revive and be revived. I do not think a jog out into the weather and stabbing 3 or 4 or 5 people would make a big difference. Aside from the flavor of the weather, I don't propose a change. What I suggest is that for every day you are a body, it takes one more AP to stand up. If you stand up within 24 hours, it is still only 1 or 10 AP. January is 31 days days long, so if you are stabbed on January 1st and stand up on January 31st, it would be 31/41 ap to stand up. EDIT: The bodies freezing would apply to people becoming zombies as well.
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| *Indoor combat: I am working this from the following assumption: It is cold, the zombies are breaking at your door, and they have smashed in. You get to fight them. Have fun.
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| **You are standing inside (building). The cold air is seeping in through the open door. If the door is open more than it is closed for a day, the room becomes cold, and the survivour attack accuracy decreases.
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| **In multi-block rooms, a cold "corner" would tell you that cold is seeping from another corner of the building. If both corners are cold, there is no "seeping cold" message.
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| Okay... fairly involved and became bigger than I thought it would. Now for zombie changes.
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| *Outdoors: Zombies can still follow footprints, but the wind carries moans 1.5 times as far. You would hear "The wind carries a (moan description) from (location).
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| *EDIT: ADDED AFTER DISCUSSION BEGAN - Blood: Blood on the cold ground, instead of drying, would freeze. This would create "Smears of frozen blood on the wall" and "trails of blood frozen on the floor"
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| *Attacks: I will admit I was thinking about the cold affecting zombies negatively, but I decided against that idea. I think it would be more challenging if the cold makes the arms "more solid" giving +<s>2</s>(1) damage to maul attacks. Once the zombies "warm up" by being in a warm building for 24 hours, their damage goes back to normal. That would mean the initial siege hits harder, but if survivors hold the inside warm, the zombies go back to normal damage. If the zombies break the defense and ruin the place, the zombies are guaranteed to win.
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| *Discussion point: I am thinking the gatehouse in Creedy could be an "outdoor" gatehouse, and Perryn would be an "indoor" gatehouse. This would cause a more challenging fort to hold for survivours, and a classic fort for survivours. I would like to discuss that before I place this suggestion for voting.
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| *Other ideas: If you have any other ideas relevant to the game and the cold you would like to see suggested, I would like to see it.
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| This is a big suggestion, I admit, and a bit game-breaking in the differences it would cause. The January I propose to the community would favor zombies, and I think this should not be permanent, thus why I suggested it only affecting January. If the community so wishes, I would like to see this additional challenge to survivours on month every winter. Community... prime your pepper spray... *puts on anti-flame goggles*
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| ====Discussion (The Winter of our Discontent)==== | | ====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)==== |
| Mentally Huge. Scanning through, I'd say lose the HP loss. Lets not punish casual players, I like the frosting ideas and the reductions without power, likewise the ruin increase. If its freezing both damage and effort needed to repair would be increased. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:42, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :As for zombie bonuses, I think being immune to all the other effects is good in itself. Perhaps a bonus for attacking survivors outside, as they are less able to defend themselves? Plus it teaches survivors to stay inside. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:44, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| ::I agree with Ross. I also think that it would be interesting if lightning would flash during stormy weather and possibly damage the radio antennas. --[[User:TheBardofAwesome|TheBardofAwesome]] 19:29, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :::Well, thunderstorms are not a part of this suggestion. Anyway, Ross, regarding the weather and HP loss. If the genny runs out of fuel, it takes three days before the cold starts taking HP from the victim. I do agree that casual players might take a dent, but feel that three days before the HP loss would not be a big issue. [[User:Verance|Verance]] 21:58, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| One massive, OP, survivor nerf. I was actually looking at this suggestion seriously until I realized how massively you were both hampering survivors and boosting zombies. One sided buffs=fail.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:14, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| :Looking at the fact I suggested boosting zombie damage, I do agree more with Ross saying I should just not affect zombies. It is true that the suggestion would more heavily affect survivors, but the important thing is that it would do so for a month only (it doesn't stay cold forever). I agree that this would be too much of a survivor nerf to stay for the rest of the game, but I would like to ask exactly what you perceive as being a too-large nerf. This is developing suggestions, after all. [[User:Verance|Verance]] 02:18, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| The only way to counter it is with a generator?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:25, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| :My suggestion is that a running generator holds off the cold, yes. [[User:Verance|Verance]] 02:50, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:V darkstar|V darkstar]] 17:10, 1 April 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Gameplay Change | | |'''Type:''' Map change |
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| |'''Description:''' I have waited a few days hoping that my team members would stand up so I could revive them so I thought that it would make since for a human revive a dead body since a zombie is just a walking dead guy. so for only 5 AP you can revive a dead body (because then aren't moving or trying to eat your brains it takes less effort.) Any help building up this is appreciated. | | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
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| ====Discussion (Revive Corpses)==== | | ====Discussion (Shrink the map)==== |
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| Lowering revive costs isn't going to be a good idea. Also, this kills anti-headshot measures. Zombies before sieges or strikes often maul each other to avoid the headshots, standing up to strike with 49 AP and not 46. For the low low cost of 5 AP a pop, survivors can avoid the zombies entirely, forcing unrotted zeds to choose between being AP ineffecient or being cheaply CRed at any time. It's unbalancing. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 17:20, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :How about if it was still 10AP?--[[User:V darkstar|V darkstar]] 17:21, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| ::There's still the threat of combat revives at any time, though. It's generally not a balanced idea. It forces zombies to take brain rot, and cripples death cults, which I'm personally against since I run one. Also, flavour-wise, a corpse isn't a zombie. 99% of the genre would reflect this - even in Romero's "every death creates a zombie" world, there's the transitional period before they reanimate. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 17:27, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :::Also you can't do anything to a corpse as such. Even feeding on one causes no effect to the player lying down. Why could you revive a body, and not heal it, or shoot it again? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:17, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| As has been said this kinda screws up the whole "Shock and Graggh" tactic. Most of the danger in sieges (even at the small scale) comes in waves when dead zombies hit 50 AP and stand up again. Being able to spend five AP each to convert a downed zombie is way too easy, even ten would tip the balance to the humans. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 21:47, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| Also, I'm pretty sure I came across something similar in rejected whilst I looked for dupes. And damaging corpses (or reviving them or whatever) just isn't a good idea; when you die, you die knowing that you have downtime, a period where you'll be safe from guns, axes, claws and bananas. --[[User:Enigma179|Enigma]]<sup>[[User talk:Enigma179|<span style="color:orange">talk</span>]] </sup> 00:23, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Richerd joshepson|Richerd joshepson]] 01:49, 1 April 2010 (BST)user richerd joshepson 18:30, 31 March 2010 | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
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| |'''Type:''' new class | | |'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate |
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| |'''Description:''' I tihk improve my last suggestion, my first laguage is spanish, asi que no se fijen en la escritura sino en la idea, maybe the class is overpowered, then, the new suggestion, shotgun, 2 shells and the shotgun training skill, the knife, pay 75 exp for militar skills, 75 exp for civlians skills. and 200 exp points for science skills, looks more balanced, or not? the convict class and punk class are not criminals,but the ganster class is a criminal class, this game is based in the imagination, anyone needs tell his part of the history, even the criminals. | | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
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| {{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:25, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| How is a convict NOT a criminal? Even if you only consider "organized crime" as "real" criminals? Maybe I'm nitpicking. But there is NO logical reason to alter the experience points costs. What makes this class so special that the cost of skills wouldn't be the same as the other classes?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:15, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :Why wouldn't you just be a cop? You start inside a police station and could get a shotgun very easily. Plus in the long run, the xp costs are much lower to level. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:31, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| Alright. You know those nifty things called skill categories? And the three types of classes? Those are what you're going to have to base it off of. Your earlier logic stated that they know how to shoot, so they are good with guns, and they can act like civilians, so they get 75 xp for civilian skills. Logic flaw: You know who else is good at being a civilian? Civilians! They don't pay 75 xp for civilian skills. Just make it a civilian class that starts with a shotgun, at least. Then we can talk. --[[User:Enigma179|Enigma]]<sup>[[User talk:Enigma179|<span style="color:orange">talk</span>]] </sup> 15:52, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| Flavour-wise, Malton is quite English (also the game is ''from'' England). Traditional 'mafia' representations of gangsters don't really hold sway there. Look at films like ''Eastern Promises'', ''The Krays'', ''Get Carter'' or ''The Long Good Friday''. To better represent the English 'gangster' you'd be looking at a cross between the Scout and Consumer classes, probably. Starts with a knife and a mobile phone, and the free running skill. Pays 100 XP for any skill, like civilians. Even that, that's going to be pretty damn strong, but at least a lot more flavoursome. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:59, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| Yeah I think there are enough classes already, and more classes won't add much to the game since class only affects lower level characters. If you want to play as a gangster just pick Civilian and edit your description. Also I think it would increase PKing.--[[User:V darkstar|V darkstar]] 17:16, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :Why would that be a bad thing? -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 06:58, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 14:57, 31 March 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' Took a search, couldn't find anything matching this, but I'm still sure it's probably a dupe. But, I've been thinking about decay. It's a zombie's friend. It's also the friend of everyone who isn't pro-survivor, in various ways. But it's a ''very'' passive mechanic. This suggestion is a for a new zombie skill, a sub-skill of Ransack, named 'Deface' This skill will allow zombies to further tick up the decay count as follows - every 24 hours, when the decay count adds 1 AP to the repair cost of a ruin, it also resets an unseen 'deface flag'. If this flag is present, the building functions as a current ruin does. If it is absent, the building can be further ransacked - again, four 'ransacks' but with a 'deface' option replacing ruin, with everything involved functioning exactly as ruin does now, including the 1 XP granted for the initial ransack. Successfully defacing a building will add a further 1 AP to the building's repair cost and trip the 'deface flag', meaning the building cannot be further defaced until the decay tick occurs again. Essentially, the buidling can be decayed twice as fast, only it will require an active zombie presence and will involve more AP spent than it would cost to repair the building. However, this is still a bonus for those who can hold a ruin for a few days, further enhancing their grasp on territory. | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
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| There's something similar in the archives in regards to increasing repair costs from before the decay update.
| | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| The whole notion is pointless. You put AP in for a year, the repair cost is over 9000, it still doesn't cost me any more to reset that clock with a suicide repair. Anything over 50Ap to repair is pretty much pointless to the zombie side. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:47, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| :A 9K AP expenditure though would put that character out of action for more than half a year, how many players are willing to bite that bullet? -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 18:44, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| ::For the glory of leading the big ruin repair board forever? You'll find some. Also there's nothing to stop people asking friends who like to go for glory to create a character and join their group for that one event. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:52, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| :::After a year it would only be 730, not 9000. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 18:53, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| ::::The point is that over a number that allows them to cade or run back to cover, the total is pointless as the survivor accepts death to reset the clock and make it easy to retake the building. A better skill would be one that forces the survivors to do it in 50AP blocks, making them die lots of time knock the total down. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:57, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| :::::Numbers that high are liable to lead to characters being abandoned to this purpose, though - 700 AP is a full two weeks of being unable to do anything, and that'd only be for one building. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:09, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| ::::::Just so you know, my Knight is currently in the SW looking for anything over 130 to repair, if you can make me a 700 AP one I'll be your bestest friend ever. Two weeks of downtime is over in two weeks, glory is forever. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:12, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| :::::::Suicide Repairs are rubbish at the minute. The 404 remnants spent ages looking through the ghost towns, but their all safe, stupid wiki. North Blythville Wasn't Bad, but its just darks at the minute. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:12, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| ::::::::Yeah, I know. It sucks. Perhaps we should set up a reporting facility where trenchie and other survivor groups that don't like being down for a week can tell us about the juicy high repair values. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:22, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :::::::::I've been toying with the idea for a while, some kind of central page for idiots. I can name at least 6 suburbs with no organised survivors, which stay ruined long after the mob passes through. I did go through a period of like a month with 404 where we tried to get several survivor groups to alter their "Area of Operations" So they meshed and overlapped. Likewise suggesting new survivor groups tried to set up in areas of high trp/medium zombie numbers. You can imagine how that went. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:52, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| I like it. It's a zombie counterpart to barricades that doesn't upset AP balance for survivors. My zombie character would love the chance to have a whole new level of destruction to unleash on buildings now that he's maxed out; my survivor character enjoys having more challenge and prestige from the lowly repair-work he does.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:10, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| Survivors should only be able to repair in blocks of upto 50AP, anything more to fix should only be "tidied" up (reduce the decay status) If that gets implemented then this would be a fine addition.... as is its pretty much a pointless zombie AP sink! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:11, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| You might want to include a limit of some kind.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:16, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| <nowiki>*</nowiki>raises hand to volunteer for a 9000ap repair* --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:33, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :See? I told you there'd be volunteers. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:58, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 12:46, 31 March 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Balance? | | |'''Type:''' New item |
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| |'''Description:''' Binoculars are always a helpful thing (for me anyway, I've always been a bit of a fail loner in UD). | | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| Of course, something this simple must have been suggested before, but I'm thinking that towers/buildings/hotels/motels that have been ruined should be unusable as binocular surveillance posts '''during the period in which they are ruined'''. At the point where they are repaired, they can be usable again with binoculars.
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| Trying to use binoculars in said ruined building type would just display a message explaining that the tool doesn't work in ruined buildings.
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| A couple of issues- '''Flavour?''' I don't care much for flavour, so perhaps in your critique of the suggestion you could help think some up, else I won't listen to you cries of flavour illegitimacy- I've always cared more about gameplay ramifications than that of the overzealous logic nazi. '''Should using binoculars in ruined building cost 1AP'''? Personally, no, but if users (in the masses) deem that it should, like other similar "fail" actions, then why not. '''Should this be for HB+ buildings too?''' I'd like it- I luuurve small survivor nerfs, but tevs. Let's keep it small.
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| Probably a dupe. I searched "binoculars" through the Suggestions Namespace, but even so, could have been done before. If so, say so please.
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| ====Discussion (Binocular/Ruin nerf)====
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| It's a reasonable idea, mechanic-wise, but who really uses binoculars in ruins? Saying that, if you can't freerun up a ruin, I don't see why you should be able to climb up to use binoculars, and I like the idea of not being able to use them in HB+, if only because I'm biased and look at overcading as borderline n00b griefing. Doesn't really make the game any more fun, otherwise. --[[User:OnlyKillingZombiesIsRacist|OnlyKillingZombiesIsRacist]] 14:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| :When looking for an observation point, whether the building is ruined or not is a null consideration since both harbour the same binocular mechanics. An example. You might need to look from a building closer to, say, the Blackmore Building to be able to have a look at its status (without wasting the +6ap getting there and back via walking), but the only buildings in range of binocular vision are ruined. Currently, you can just run in, look at the Blackmore Building from the ruined tower, and then run back, in terms of scouting it saves AP to do it this way, under my mechanic they wouldn't be able to use those ruined buildings. It adds a very small tactical advantage to ruins for Zombies. Not enough for them to target a building over something else, but you know. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 03:13, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| <Cyrus>I can dig it.</Cyrus> {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 14:18, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| wtf not?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:11, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| Logical.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:13, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| Perhaps not an all out '''NO!''' make it 50% chance to fall and take damage and i would like it a whole lot more. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:14, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| You may not care fo flavor, but it IS still a factor. What is it about a ruin that is stopping you from using binoculars? Ruin affects your ability to free run into a building (instability), barricade (lack of useable barricade pieces), change clothes (clothes too damaged I presume) and search (too much debris). So your presuming that there is what, too much debris to stand or kneel without moving to hold the binoculars steady? Perhaps. But similar to what Honestmistake said, make a chance of failure ("you can't find stable enough footing for viewing") or a chance of falling.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:06, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| :Suggestions with a chance to punish you are rarely well received, especially so if the initial action is supposed to be a failure in the first place. When freerunning into a ruined building, the payoff to the pain is the fact you didn't have to spend 2 ap to reach the same location (ie. leave your building THEN move to desired square). In fact, it's a chance I take 90% of the time. However, with this mechanic, it isn't fair or feasible to add a chance for damage onto the suggestion in its current state. Having "You can't use binoculars in Ruined Buildings" changed to "You can't use binoculars in ruined buildings. By, the way, you just took 5HP damage too! Ha Ha!" is a real fuck-you to the player, I don't want to do that. Besides, adding a chance-self-damage mechanism requires me to work out balancing mathematics, or at leased give them thought, and I don't like doing that. I'm just intent on keeping it small for now. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 09:13, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| ::Consider the fact that it presents a new method of suicide for zombies, thats a bonus... sort of :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 16:31, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| ::I wasn't inclined towards damage either. Simply a chance of failure. ''"You can't find stable enough footing for viewing"''.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 02:20, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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| ===New class: Ganster===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:richerd joshepson/Sig}} 06:34, 30 March 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Description:'''In this incredible game, you can decide be a survivor or a zombie,
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| Doctors, Police officers, Firefighters and Consumers, everyone fighting for they own life, but, how do the criminals to survive the outbreak, or theres no crime in the city of malton?
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| As a ganster, you starts with shotgun training skill, a shotgun an spare ammo(4 or 6 shells)
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| and a knife or a melee weapon and the hand to hand combat skill(a real ganster should be better equiped) and you pay 75 exp points for civilians skill and military skills(the gansters knows who attack like soldiers and act like normal people) and 150 exp points for scientist skills, obviously, they are not the smarter guys of the town, and the startup message could be
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| You are in a job, there is a dead body near you,the job is not very nice, but it gives some money, then, there are a lot of activity, shots, screams, cops and soldiers everywhere, you think, maybe a gang war, but,the body in the room rises, he tries to attack you, you run out of the building, and you dicover a ten thousands worser scene, zombies, with blood in their mouths and your patners are dead in a crash car, you take a weapon from the car, you leave the block, running for the city, at least, you find a safe place,then you think, if the hell exists, it moves to malton.
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| ====Discussion (New Class: Gangster)====
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| Emm... use the proper format first off, and gangsters are way overpowered, if they start with 4 shells, a shotgun, 2 skills, and only pay 75 xp for all but 7 of the skills in this game. --[[User:Enigma179|Enigma]]<sup>[[User talk:Enigma179|<span style="color:orange">talk</span>]] </sup> 04:51, 31 March 2010 (BST)
| | Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies? |
| :I fixed it.-[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:39, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| ::Actually you got the discussion header wrong, but it's all good now. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 06:56, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| :::D'oh!--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:56, 1 April 2010 (BST)
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| We already have [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_Class_New:_Survivor_%26_Zombie#Civilian:_Convict Convict] in Peer Review. Similarly, we have [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_Class_New:_Survivor_%26_Zombie#Civilian:_Punk Punk]. The problem with "new" classes is that they aren't really necessary since, by level 6ish, every class is essentially the same. Everyone takes Body Building, Construction, Diagnosis, Free Running and NecroTech Employment. Healers will take Lab Experience and combat types will take Hand to Hand (or another gun skill). Everything else is "personal preference" and, yes, I know so is the list above, but those skills are the ones everyone takes pretty quick. As for the suggestion itself, as pointed out, it is overpowered. NO class starts with 2 skills, so why should this one? Secondly, which "category" would this be in? THAT would dicatate the cost of the skill purchases.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:39, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| First question, is your first language English? Next question, how do you justify a class that will out level every other current class (No class yet has two 25% cost deductions to their skill tracks), comes out hotter (two start skills), and starts out with a decent weapon on top of that (Giving gun skills and hand to hand to a newly created character is a zerger's dream). Obey the Midnight's rules. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 06:56, 31 March 2010 (BST)
| | A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away. |
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| Luckily for you this has already been taken apart by nice people. There is one starting class that needs two starting skills, but good luck getting that through Peer Reviewed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:43, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| ===Suicide===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 06:26, 29 March 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Type:''' New twist for anyone who is suicidal.
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| |'''Description:''' Malton is a dangerous place. people are scared to death about getting eaten. so what do you do? well, if you've seen any zombie movie worth it's salt, you know there's always the person who goes and kills themself. now, there is the old standby of jumping of a building, but what if you have something that can do the job for you? this is where suicide comes in. basically, kill yourself with stuff on hand. Now, only a few items would make the cut. and they are:
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| ''placing the barrel of the gun to your mouth, you exhale sharply, then pull the trigger.
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| there is a loud gunshot, and you collapse to the ground, dead.''
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| ====Discussion (Suicide)==== | | ====Discussion (Backpack)==== |
| *Been suggested a buncha times before, but I'll let Izzy toss the list up, since he's got everything on tab. Main reason it's never been implemented was balance/abuse. Makes parachuting way too easy. A bunch of death cultists could hop into a mall and kill themselves with 48 or so AP left to kill and pinata the place. Etc [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 06:39, 29 March 2010 (BST)
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| :'''RE''' Looking back on this, I'm sure didn't think this one through enough, as the amount of abuse this would get would be catastrophic. Well, good thing this isn't the real suggestions page. --{{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 02:51, 30 March 2010 (BST)
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| Might as well just cut out the middleman and give zombies free-running... Hmmm :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:55, 29 March 2010 (BST)
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| [[Suggestion:20071210 Suicide By Firearm]] is a good example of a dupe. And please explain how you can put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, without causing a headshot. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)
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| :You know better than to use logic on a member of the DEM. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:33, 29 March 2010 (BST)
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| ::'''RE''' oh god, not these stereotypes again. but yes, It makes more sense to have a headshot. --{{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 02:51, 30 March 2010 (BST)
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| Ross stole one of the better dupes from my files. The main reason that this is ''always'' shot down is due to barricade negation concerns, barricades are the core mechanic of this game, removing their effect in such a blatant and clumsy way is just stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:33, 29 March 2010 (BST)
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| I, for one, support the idea of a 100+ zombie paratroopers freerunning over the barricades and becoming a lethal swarm of insta-death with the simple application of a knife. It just makes so much sense in terms of a zombie apocalypse, it's glorious. --[[User:OnlyKillingZombiesIsRacist|OnlyKillingZombiesIsRacist]] 14:03, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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| Just a thought but, if only those survivors with infections could suicide (ie give up all hope and end the suffering asap) then it would at least be thematically pleasing. Of course there should still be a mechanism to make it a poor parachute... perhaps a 50% chance of a headshot and a 50% chance of setting current AP to -1. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:18, 31 March 2010 (BST)
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