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==Developing Suggestions==
''This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''


''Nothing on this page will be archived.''


===Further Discussion===
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
*Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
*Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general, including policies about it, takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].
 
 
==Please Read Before Posting==
*'''Be sure to check <big>[[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]]</big> and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.''' You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''': a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/19th-Nov-2005#Sniper_Rifle|Sniper Rifles]].'''
*Users should be aware that page is discussion oriented. Other users are free to express their own point of view and are not required to be neutral.
*If you decide not to take your suggestion to voting, please remove it from this page to avoid clutter.
*It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
*''After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes '''before''' suggesting alterations.''
 
==How To Make a Suggestion==
===Adding a New Suggestion===
*Copy the code in the box below.
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*Paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, right under the heading.
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*'''Name''' - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
*'''Type''' is the nature of the suggestion, such as a ''new class'', ''skill change'', ''balance change'', etc. Basically: '''What is it?''' and '''Is it new, or a change?'''
*'''Scope''' is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically ''survivors'' or ''zombies'' (or both), but occasionally ''Malton'', the game ''interface'' or something else.
*'''Description''' should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.
 
===Cycling Suggestions===
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This page is prone to breaking when the page gets too long, so sometimes suggestions still under discussion will be moved to the [[Developing Suggestions/Overflow1|Overflow page]], so the discussion can continue.
 
 
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<span style="font-size:1.75em; color:red">'''Please add new suggestions to the top of the list'''</span>
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==Suggestions==
 
===FAK'S as Weapon's===
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|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 15:55, 15 April 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' skill
|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors.
|'''Scope:''' Interface
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|'''Description:'''This would be a skill that allows you to actually use a FAK as a weapon
|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience.  In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
I know this sounds crazy but hear me out.A FAK is common so this would basicly give 2 damage with a 10% chance of hit
And other skills like melee proficency will also help attack percentage by the same amount they do general wepons.
This would not cause DSR and pretty resonable and after about 15 succeful hits the kit would break.
 
What do you think?--scvideoking
===Scouting skill===
 
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|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 15:55, 15 April 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' skill, survivor
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|'''Scope:''' Improves binocular use, at the cost of using more AP and not granting quite as much info.
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|'''Description:''' The Scouting Skill would provide a new action when using binoculars.  Instead of the simple 1 AP use, you'd get a 3 AP option to view a 5x5 area centered 3 squares N/S/E/W.  The view of this 5x5 area would look a bit like the [[Necronet#NecroTech_Skills|Necronet Report]], except that it would indicate aproximate numbers (indicated as "5+/0+", with the number being 50%-100% of the actual outdoor presence) of both survivors and zombies, as well as powered and ruined buildings.<br>The intent of this skill is to give experienced survivors an information gathering skill on par with [[Scent Death]].  If its to powerful, I was thinking it might ONLY work in buildings that have cell tower masts, as Cell Towers are positioned so as to maximize altitude / LOS.  This would have the added benefit of making cell masts more relevant to the game, as currently they only play a role in cell phone use, which is pretty pointless.
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====Discussion (Scouting Skill)====
====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)====
Yes, if this went to voting, I'd work up some sort of visual representation of the "view" effect.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 15:56, 15 April 2010 (BST)
 
I like it, but i would use the phone masts for scouting rather than any tall building,  also I would kill the percents or make them like 75%-125% closely centered at 100%--[[User:V darkstar|V darkstar]] 16:10, 15 April 2010 (BST)
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===Shrink the map===
===Cannibalism===
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|'''Timestamp:''' --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:49, 15 April 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Skill/PKing alteration
|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors and PKers
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Discription: '''Simple: When you kill another survivor, you gain 5/10HP. This may or may or may not require a skill, which is the main thing up for debate, apart from the plausibility.
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
It would encourage PKing, but also help point out it's perpetrators. It would add RP, strategy, and even coordination, which are all good. There would be a few feilds of thought: PKers might skip it, so they wouldn't stick out, or get it, so they don't have to worry as much about FAKing themselves. Non-PKers might get it for the same reason my rotter has surgery: just in case. If zombies break in and you're hurt while someone else is dying, you could finish them off, leaving the building filled with more total HP. But then again, others, including Bounty Hunters, might avoid it so they aren't assumed a PKer.
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====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
====Discussion (Cannibalism)====
IMHO pretty tasteless (and tasteless beyond the usual scope of the genre), and also of most use to PKers, as they rarely carry many supportive/healing items and could partially circumvent this deficite with this skill. Also, you haven't made clear yet if this heals infections. (Not every healing item does - see beer and wine.) --[[User:Spiderzed|Spiderzed]] 09:32, 15 April 2010 (BST)
:It would not cure infections, more due to flavor and common sense than to balance. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 10:23, 15 April 2010 (BST)
 
Re-theme it as either looting (regardless of what the victim was carrying, have a first aid kit be found and used), or as an adrenaline rush (in which case I'd reduce it to 2-3HP and have it apply to all kills made, regardless of who is or isn't alive). Then I'd be all over it like DDR on Vegemite. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 12:30, 15 April 2010 (BST)
 
It's not plausible.  Eating raw human meat in an unsanitary quarantine zone is a really good way to make yourself SICKER, not a way to heal injury.  Besides, zombies need a skill to gain HP by eating human flesh, and even then don't get this much of a boost (which amounts to free HPs for a PKer).  So yeah, even if its a skill, violates the "no free lunch" guideline, as well as being out of genre AND implausible.<br>If its gonna be an adrenaline rush or looting, why not have it kick in when you kill a ZOMBIE?  Is that less of a rush?  Don't zombies (or at least non-rotters) carry useful items most times, for when they get revived?  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 15:38, 15 April 2010 (BST)
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===Food===
===Action Points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 15:00, 14 April 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' Survival
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' I think it will be realistic to make survivors require food to stay alive. Both can be found in buildings. You need to eat something every 350 AP you use or you will die. You need to drink something every 75 AP you use or you will die as well. Maybe differend qualities of food can be added. I know this will be a major change in the game... maybe it is best to create a differend city for this? Any suggestions?
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
 
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====Discussion (Food)====
====Discussion (Action Points)====
Major dupe (I don't have the time to find them at the moment, but there are probably a half-dozen or more, probably more, related to food). Also, realism is not the point. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:07, 14 April 2010 (BST)
 
Agree with Aichon on the realism bit. The main question as far as this is concerned is how it would be implemented, because if it was a case of actually having to search for food I couldn't see many people (or indeed anyone) supporting this - after all, we already have to search for ammo, syringes, FAKs, gennys and fuel cans just to keep this city running. <span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC, Segoe Script, Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em">[[User:Chief Seagull|<span style="color: green;">Chief Seagull</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chief Seagull|<small>squawk</small>]]</span> [http://tinyurl.com/yfrld3r <sup><small>don't mess with the Seagull!</small></sup>] 15:15, 14 April 2010 (BST)
 
Dupe of ingame. Stale candy, beer and wine. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:21, 14 April 2010 (BST)
::Why is realism not the point? This game is turnbased, but besides that it's pretty realistic I guess. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 15:45, 14 April 2010 (BST)
:::Now bearing in mind, I've never been to the Netherlands, but look out your window. Count the number of living dead. If you answer is more than zero, then ''maybe'' the game is realistic. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:47, 14 April 2010 (BST)
::::Well I can see some!
 
::::Now seriously: you could kinda call this a postapocalyptic simulation right? You probably need food then. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 18:47, 14 April 2010 (BST)
::::How would this make the game better? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:39, 14 April 2010 (BST)
:::::Not really 'better', it would make it more realistic. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 18:48, 14 April 2010 (BST)
::::::I agree with Cornholioo. Survivors should also need to go to the toilet once every ~25AP. Also, as a post-apocalyptic society would have no agriculture and ergo large populations would be systematically unsustainable, the food in the suggestion should be limited to about 20 items per supermarket, after which everyone starves to death. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 21:21, 14 April 2010 (BST)
::::::: Would resorting to cannablisum stop this from occuring?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 21:22, 14 April 2010 (BST)
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===Zombie Newspaper===
===Drone===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:V darkstar|V darkstar]] 13:56, 13 April 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Item Enhancement
|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' I sometime will be in zombie form for a while and I can't believe the number of n00bs on the streets just sitting there so I would like a humorous way of letting them know that they need to be in side.  so if a zombie could slap people with newspapers that would be cool.
|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
 
Fire away....
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====Discussion (Zombie Newspaper)====
====Discussion (Drone)====
 
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Why not just eat them? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 14:01, 13 April 2010 (BST)
:Agreed. This is too useless to ever pass, no matter how much it's reformed. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:10, 13 April 2010 (BST)
Under what logic does being hit with a newspaper translate into "Hide indoors"? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:07, 13 April 2010 (BST)
 
Gesture at yourself and write into your profile that they should move on. Or go with Mis' proposal, that's even more educational and fun. --[[User:Spiderzed|Spiderzed]] 14:09, 13 April 2010 (BST)
 
If zombies can attack with toolboxes, then why not newspapers? --[[User:Armpit Odor|<span style="color:red"><sup>A</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>R</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>D</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>M</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>P</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>R</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>I</sup><span style="color:green"><sub> ! </sub><span style="color:red"><sup>T</sup></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>]] 21:22, 13 April 2010 (BST)
:Or attack with armpit odour? "You raise your arm and thrust your unwashed, festering armpit in their face. They gag and run away screaming." <span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC, Segoe Script, Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em">[[User:Chief Seagull|<span style="color: green;">Chief&nbsp;Seagull</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chief Seagull|<small>squawk</small>]]</span>&nbsp;[http://tinyurl.com/yfrld3r <sup><small>don't mess with the Seagull!</small></sup>] 15:25, 14 April 2010 (BST)
Somewhere in the past there was a "nibble" suggestion. Zombie version of newspapers, but without the newspaper. Just some nibbling flavour text. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:46, 13 April 2010 (BST)
:Have you ever had someone nibble you? Just take a few tiny bits of skin off here and there around an area? It'd almost be half as bad as being bitten. 1 Damage at least.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 23:57, 13 April 2010 (BST)
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===Compound Bow, Quiver/Arrow Bundle===
===Backpack===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Lucifer210|Lucifer210]] 07:11, 5 April 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Weapon
|'''Type:''' New item
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' A new ranged weapon for survivors a bow found in schools and mall sport shops. Base 5% accuracy, with damage 4 per hit. 15 arrows a pack, 3% encumberance per bow, 2% per pack. Due to bows and arrows being quiet projectiles, people hit by arrows will not be informed who shot them, due to the lack of gun smoke and lower sound output.
|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
 
PS. I'm open to disregarding the added effects of fired arrows<br />
EDIT: Also thought to include skill to improve accuracy.
* Basic Firearms Training (Prerequisit Only)
** Archery Training (+10% Accuracy)
*** Advanced Archery Training (+25% Accuracy)
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====Discussion (Compound Bow, Quiver/Arrow Bundle)====


Base 5% accuracy...does it ever improve? What does the math look like for damage/AP? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:11, 5 April 2010 (BST)
:I was under the impression that weapons and new skills had to be made under seperate suggestions --[[User:Lucifer210|Lucifer210]] 04:29, 6 April 2010 (BST)
::Ok, time for some quick math here. Let's assume that you have one Pistol and I have one Compound Bow, and that we each are loaded up with ammo. You'll be able to make 43 Pistol shots and would have to reload 7 times with your 50 AP for the day, yielding an average of 139.75dmg against a not Rotted/Jacketed target. I, on the other hand, would be able to take 47 arrow shots and would have to reload 3 times with my 50 AP for the day, yielding an average of 183.3dmg against the same type of target. Given those numbers, you would be doing 2.795dmg/AP on average, while I would be doing 3.66dmg/AP on average.


::If we were to consider searches as well, the Pistol is currently the most AP-efficient weapon in the game since it has multiple shots per clip and clips are decently easy to find, and this thing absolutely blows it away, since you need less searches, yet hit for harder and have to reload less often. But to quickly show the math, it takes an average of 8 searches right now to find one clip, so we'll assume it would have taken you 64 searches to find the clips you used earlier (there was one loaded in the gun already). Likewise, if we assume 8 searches per clip of arrows/bolts, I'd need just 32 searches. So, if we add the AP we spent before onto the AP for searches, that means that you'd ''actually'' need 114 AP on average to deal 139.75dmg, for an efficiency of 1.226dmg/AP, whereas I would need just 82 AP to reach my 183.3dmg for an efficiency of 2.234dmg/AP. Basically, the Compound Bow would be the new best weapon in the game BY FAR. I could average about two kills every day with the thing, even with searches and misses taken into account. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:29, 6 April 2010 (BST)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?
:::In regards of search rates, you have to consider the places where the bow and the arrows pops up. In Mall Sports Stores one would need to go through a lot of fencing foils and other bummer weapons if the bow has an equal chance to pop up, while schools generally have low finding rates. (Not that this minor point helps the suggestion much as it is now.) --[[User:Spiderzed|Spiderzed]] 13:19, 7 April 2010 (BST)
::::That's why I just made some generic assumptions regarding the search rates for ease of highlighting the disparity between the weapons. There are also other issues at play, such as finding pre-loaded weapons and the like. In truth, he probably needs to provide them himself in order to make the suggestion complete anyway, but for now, I just supplied some stand-in numbers of my own. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)
(Zerging) griefers dream. Create a scout alt, get him a bow plus hundreds of arrows, find your victim and let the "fun" begin. Sure, it will prolly take some time/ap due to low accuracy but who cares? The victim has no chance of actively finding out who's targetting him so the griefer has all the time in the world.--[[User:Trevor Wrist|Trevor Wrist]] 12:14, 5 April 2010 (BST)
:It can actually be done quicker. Use a pistol to weaken the target rapidly to its last HPs, and then finish the job with the bow. My bounty-sensitive death-cultist would totally do that to ensure that he doesn't get reported. And then report the victim if it dares to retaliate without covering its tracks like me. It's similar to para-chuting and even simpler to use as it doesn't rely on being infected, so expect to see a lot of that if a ninja bow gets implemented. --[[User:Spiderzed|Spiderzed]] 12:23, 5 April 2010 (BST)
::"''(Zerging) griefers dream.''" Hardly. Zergers don't care about their characters' safety: they just create more, and so have no need for the stealth the bow offers. Firefighter + axe would still be vastly more effective than scout + bow. As it currently stands it would take '''years''' with a starting character to get lucky enough to kill someone with a bow at 50AP/day (remember those things called FAKs that people grab when they get injured?), and if you are zerging for more AP then firefighters would work much better! And Spiderzed, most PKers enjoy taunting their victims and bystanders. Removing the risk removes the fun! I imagine this would mostly be used by Bounty Hunters and do-gooders who don't want to damage their good name. --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 14:37, 5 April 2010 (BST)
:::PKers might, and PKers might also want the bragging rights of having a bounty. My death-cultist won't. He's more interested into keeping a low profile RG-wise, to a.) keep being CRed and eating syringes on RPs and b.) be able to put dumbass trenchies on the RG who are stupid enough to shoot someone for GKing, para-chuting and other lesser crimes. --[[User:Spiderzed|Spiderzed]] 14:49, 5 April 2010 (BST)
::::Is that really a problem? I think alternative playstyles should be encouraged to keep the game interesting. --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 15:52, 6 April 2010 (BST)
:::::Oh, don't get me wrong, as a passionate death-cultist I'd _totally_ dig a weapon that allows me to kill anonymously and taunt the victim to lure it on the RG. It's just that I can imagine enough haters who'd outcry at the prospect of that. --[[User:Spiderzed|Spiderzed]] 16:28, 6 April 2010 (BST)
I've done a bit of archery, and yes, bows are quiet. But even the compact compound bows make a noise when you let go, if not as loud as a gun, and it's easy to tell when someone is shooting at you, or anyone else. --[[User:Enigma179|Enigma]]<sup>[[User talk:Enigma179|<span style="color:orange">talk</span>]] </sup> 14:17, 5 April 2010 (BST)
:A bow is however certainly more stealthy than a gun, which the suggestor is trying to reflect. --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 14:37, 5 April 2010 (BST)
::I also said I would be open to dropping the 'silent kill' part --[[User:Lucifer210|Lucifer210]] 04:29, 6 April 2010 (BST)


The author hasn't mentioned whether the kill message will appear, only the hit message. I suggest adding what skills would affect it. Possibly +10% from Body Building, in addition to a new line of Archery skills? I like the idea of exchanging accuracy for stealth, but you might want to add some limitations. --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 14:37, 5 April 2010 (BST)
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.
:Originally, neither the hit or kill messages would show up, except for "you were shot for 4 damage" & "You are dead". Now I would disregard anything related to stealth. --[[User:Lucifer210|Lucifer210]] 10:30, 7 April 2010 (BST)


I support this idea also the sond you may hear from a bow is the string so txt could be
*You hear the thump of a bowsting nearby*  but instead you shoud make it with 2 damage and injure the person until a FAK or remove the arrow for -3 health (the arrow will act like an infection to the zed) this would be logical and coming back from where zeds can infect you-[[User:Scvideoking|scvideoking]] 17:59, 5 April 2010 (BST)
:If ''Thumping Bowstings'' is not already a band, it should be. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:28, 5 April 2010 (BST)


This sucks. I'm tired. That is all.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:13, 5 April 2010 (BST)
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?


so you're saying that (in theory) you can hold 15 arrows to attack? at 4 damage per succesful hit at 5%, a little general math tells me that it is a bit overpowered damagewise. possibly getting rid of the advanced skill for this could balance it out a bit, and possiblt lowering the quiver size too. but still, this is a great idea, and i like it. --{{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 04:53, 6 April 2010 (BST)
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


How would ''firearms'' training affect bows? While it doesn't matter to me it might matter the the more anally retentive among us. And 6 damage at 65% accuracy makes this better than the pistol if searching for ammo is ignored, but 15 arrows per quiver is excessive. --[[User:Anotherpongo|Anotherpongo]] 15:59, 6 April 2010 (BST)


With the invisibility, this is terribly overpowered (as stated above). Without it, you've got a 5% to hit, 4 damage weapon with 15 ammo. Assuming maxed hit% of 65%, it has more ammo than a pistol, but less damage. Not enough less damage, in my opinion.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 16:56, 6 April 2010 (BST)
Please give your thoughts.
:It actually does more damage. Notice the +2 damage for Advanced Archery Training. It'll do 6 to the Pistol's 5. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:11, 6 April 2010 (BST)
::Extremely stupid. Didn't notice that. It should be about 2.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 21:52, 6 April 2010 (BST)


Okay, so if I were to use the bow as my primary weapon and I had all skills I would now wield a weapon with an average damage per AP of 3.6 per shot, a clip size of 15, and 65% accuracy? Even without that damning overpower its encumbrance to ammunition ratio is way too low. Example: I carry a standard emergency supply kit that is roughly 10% of my total encumbrance, if I devote the remaining 90 percent to pistols and I do it for combat I will carry 4 pistols and 37 clips. That totals to about 246 shots. If I replace the pistols with one bow (with a clip size of 15 and a damage of six reloading isn't going to be a worry) and the clips with quivers I can now carry 44 quivers. 44*15=660 shots before I have to restock. Do you see the problem? -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 23:07, 6 April 2010 (BST) 
:Taking this in to extended maths, this would be easier to search for as well, because you get 15 shots from one successful search.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 23:11, 6 April 2010 (BST)
::See the math I added to my initial comment on this suggestion. This weapon is almost twice as good as the Pistol. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:40, 6 April 2010 (BST)
Right, since you people apparently can't let this die I suppose I'll have to deal with it. Now, form what I can see the following jumps out at me:
*''Stealth'' weaponry? Why don't you just call it the death cultist special and have done with it?
*Maths. Aichon has made with the numbers and it's just overpowered. It's going to fail voting for this reason.
*Location. Where do you find these things and the ammo? I feel my response to this answer is going to begin with the letters 'D', 'S' and 'R'.
*Why? What's the flavour? How common are these in genre? What is the reason to spend time programming them into the game? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:55, 7 April 2010 (BST)
:Regarding location, the suggestion description says Mall Sports Stores and Schools, so '''d'''iluted '''s'''earch '''r'''ates won't be as bad as they typically are for these new weapons. It's one of the considerations I actually like about this suggestion. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:13, 7 April 2010 (BST)
OK, after reading generally negative responses for my suggestion I have decided that 'Basic Firearms Training' would not affect the bow, and only be a prerequisit skill, and 10 arrows a quiver. Would someone kindly do the new math due to these changes. --[[User:Lucifer210|Lucifer210]] 10:30, 7 April 2010 (BST)
:Might want to change the suggestion to say 10 arrows per quiver. Anyway, I'll be nice and do the math for you one last time, but you have to do it from here on. Given that it only has 10 arrows per quiver and now does 4 damage per shot, you'd be able to get in 46 shots with 4 reloads, for 73.6dmg, or 1.472dmg/AP before searches are considered. With searches considered, you would need 40AP to find the quivers, for a total of 90AP, yielding 0.817dmg/AP, making it, in my opinion, a virtually worthless weapon. It doesn't have burst damage (like the Shotgun), AP efficiency (like the Pistol), or a nice balance in between. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 11:04, 7 April 2010 (BST)
::I did some archery as a youngster, and I remember having to reload my bow after every shot no matter how many arrows I had stuck in the ground (we didn't use quivers). It's not as if a quiver is like an automatic weapon's magazine where you just take one shot after another. (I accept that the 'pistols' and 'clips' of ammo in the game aren't too realistic either.) I'd also be surprised if you were to find many compound-bow style arrows in schools. (Darts, yes, but not flighted arrows.) In brief, my suggested changes would be 1) reload after every shot, 2) no arrows in schools, and 3) drop the stealth aspect - it's no fun being killed by an unknown assassin as there's no chance of getting payback (arrows are neither silent nor invisible, anyway). Encumbrance should also be more of an issue, as a full-sized compound bow and several quivers full of arrows should be no joke to tote around Malton along with your generators, fuel cans, stuffed moose heads etc.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 11:33, 11 April 2010 (BST)
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===New Weapons===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Attila the Hunny|Attila the Hunny]] 21:12, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' machete and cast iron skillet
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|'''Scope:''' survivors
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|'''Description:''' Can a machete and a cast iron skillet be added to our weapons, please?
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====Discussion (New Weapons)====
====Discussion (Backpack)====
No. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:44, 2 April 2010 (BST)
:And, to add to why "no", the game already has 10 weapons nobody uses, except for flavor purposes.  Do we really need a full dozen?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:07, 4 April 2010 (BST)
 
Thats not really how developing suggestions work. You tell us the idea and then we tell you how its flawed. Whats the damage, accuracy, and weight of these weapons? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:16, 2 April 2010 (BST)
 
Yes, they can be added to the game just as soon as you describe how they work in detail (as per Ross' comment), you put it up for voting as a suggestion, it gets approved by wiki users, it gets noticed by Kevan, Kevan is feeling like adding new flavor, and he does so. Otherwise, see what Iscariot said. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:33, 3 April 2010 (BST)
 
<strike>NONONO</strike> ahem, what I meant to say was, a machete is like a katana. [[trenchcoater|trenchies]] like those things waay to much, and (machetes) seem to feel a bit to over-the top for a survival game. Also, is this the same skillet that you can use as a melee weapon in L4D2? --{{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 02:55, 4 April 2010 (BST)
:I never understood the whining about "trenchies".  If a katana WERE to be added...who cares?  Unless, of course, the weapon were overpowered, but THAT goes without saying.  As for the machete, it is VERY common in zombie genre, L4D2 being irrelevant in this circumstance.  Ever read the Zombie Survival Guide?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 22:07, 4 April 2010 (BST)
::How many Englishmen do you know with machetes on hand? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:10, 4 April 2010 (BST)
:::Actually, I once encountered a nifty lil' thing called a garden knife in my local Canadian Tire (I know, I'm not English)... and I know they called it that, but it was obviously a machete. Don't see why something like that couldn't be in Britain. But from a pragmatic point of view, this suggestion as it is right now is worthless. There are no details, and these are two weapons which would probably not serve a purpose even if they were put in.--[[User:Enigma179|Enigma]]<sup>[[User talk:Enigma179|<span style="color:orange">talk</span>]] </sup> 14:09, 5 April 2010 (BST)
::::Having a small knife Garden knife such as [http://www.heronswood.com/resources/Heronswood/images/products/processed/12020.zoom.a.jpg this] may be more commonplace, but I highly doubt most people will have [http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/17728.jpg these] lying around.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:17, 8 April 2010 (BST)::::: that machete is a horror movie on e and i own 3--[[User:Wolfgnag Alexzander|Wolfgnag Alexzander]] 04:57, 13 April 2010 (BST)
:::::I'm English and while do not have an actual machette I do own 2 composite bows, several broad swords, a matched pair of ornamental polearms, several hammers and hatchets, a fire axe, a sledgehammer and a broad headed spear. I also own 2 sets of Mail armour and a set of platemail... This is very far from unusual in a country with such a fine old tradition of invading its neighbors :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:07, 11 April 2010 (BST)
::::::What he said. I used to know someone who ran one of the major re-enactment groups, he had more weapons in his attic than the Royal Armouries. Also, I'm sat at my computer desk and am with ten feet of seven swords and an assorted number of staves. There's a reason the last successful invasion of our island was the better part of a millennium ago, and it took two armies of Vikings to do that. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:15, 11 April 2010 (BST)
:::::::Exactly.... If the zombie apocalypse ever does hit Blighty it will be fought with sharp implements and regular tea breaks! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:59, 12 April 2010 (BST)
::::::::Hopefully there will also be cake.... --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:00, 12 April 2010 (BST)
:::::::::Less guns = Less trenchies. Plus there's all this nazi memorabilia sitting around my house. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:35, 13 April 2010 (BST)
::::::::::Pervert! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 13:09, 13 April 2010 (BST)
 
to answer pesatyel's question, i did read the zombie survival guide. Rule #1: Blades don't need reloading!
touché, pesatyel.  --{{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 04:58, 6 April 2010 (BST)
 
I like Left 4 Dead 2 too, but I think machetes are just asking for bad buff suggestions. Skillets, on the other hand, I would vote for that... if they were found in hotels and stuff, and had no special powers... then again, it seems kinda pointless. [[User:BoboTalkClown|BoboTalkClown]] 19:18, 8 April 2010 (BST)
 
Skillet = Uber flavor text attacks '''BONG''' --[[User:Wolfgnag Alexzander|Wolfgnag Alexzander]] 05:00, 13 April 2010 (BST)
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==Suggestions up for voting==
===Binocular/Ruin nerf===
Has gone to voting [[Suggestion:20100404 Binocular/Ruin Nerf|here]]. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 07:33, 4 April 2010 (BST)

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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

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Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

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Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

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Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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