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==Suggestions==
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===Zombie Genius (Name Pending)===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Zombie Class
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
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|'''Description:''' Zombies Start with Memories of Life
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====Discussion (Zombie Genius (Name Pending))====
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===Zombie Dentist (Name Pending)===
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Zombie Class
|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
|'''Scope:''' Interface
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|'''Description:''' Zombie starts with digestion
|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible.  Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience.  In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
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====Discussion (Zombie Dentist (Name Pending))====
====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)====
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===Shrink the map===
===Zombie Scout===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Zombie Class
|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' Zombie starts with Scent Fear
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
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====Discussion (Zombie Scout)====
====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
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===Zombie Vandalism===
===Action Points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' Zombie Class
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' Zombie Starts with Ransack
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game.  I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
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====Discussion (Zombie Vandalism)====
====Discussion (Action Points)====
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===Hard Mode===
===Drone===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Zombie Class
|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' Zombie starts with Brain Rot
|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
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====Discussion (Hard Mode)====
====Discussion (Drone)====
 
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Theres a good chance these were dupped, but what do you guys think? could add some interesting twists to being a zombie. --[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
:I think you should check before you post them, since otherwise you're wasting folks' time. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:19, 10 September 2010 (BST)
 
You could discuss all the classes under one header you know. Anyhow, the problem is that zombies need skills which will help them earn XP at a decent pace. Ransack, Scent Fear, Digestion, Brain Rot, none of those help zombies earn nearly enough XP for the next level. Memories of Life might help, but very rarely. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 01:30, 10 September 2010 (BST)
:[[Suggestion:20071001_Military,_and_Scientist_Zombies%3F|This]] and [[PR_Class_New:_Survivor_%26_Zombie|this]] might interest you, already passed voting. [[User:Whitehouse]] 01:45, 10 September 2010 (BST)
 
 
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===Scout Supplies===
===Backpack===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Redoubt|Redoubt]] 22:33, 9 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' New Skill
|'''Type:''' New item
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:'''  
|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
 
(Added as a subset to the Military Skill "Scout SafeHouse")
 
As Kevan has introduce the new Scout Safehouse skill there has been some talk about the possible use for such a skill. Scout Safehouse requires the user to spend 31 AP to set and scout a safehouse which gives him 5 Extra AP per day in that building. Given that the skill requires such a large amount of AP, a subsequent skill can be added. This is where Scout Supplies comes in as a subset of Scout Safehouse: In a established safe house, a survivor has an increased chance of finding supplies because he knows the layout of the safehouse.
 
This should only increase the search probability by ~5-8%, as to not unbalance the game.
 
While there is always some concern with altering search probabilities, the large amount of AP expended and the ability of zombies to ruin a safehouse, thus requiring another 31AP, would make the establishment of a safehouse more worthwhile.
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====Discussion (Scout Supplies)====
It doesn't actually give you 5AP a day. It just averages out to 5AP per day if you spend all 50 if your AP each day in your safehouse since it's a 10% chance per AP spent in the building to have it be free. Anyway, I'm a bit torn on the idea you present. I don't see the point in adding another skill to an already worthless one (Scout Safehouse is virtually useless to survivors, since it will rarely break even on the cost in dangerous areas, and it'll give you unnecessary AP in safe areas), but at the same time I don't want your idea to outright replace Scout Safehouse, since it's applicable in even less situations and locations than the current skill is (i.e. the current skill, while it rarely does pay off, at least has the ''potential'' to pay off in non-TRPs or in places where you aren't searching, whereas yours lacks even that). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:07, 9 September 2010 (BST)
 
I think this is a great idea. Increasing Search percentages would help some, especially since you already used so much AP for that safehouse to scout it.--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:35, 10 September 2010 (BST)
 
Not a fan of the safehouse skill. I'm not sure there is much which can redeem it. This just reinforces the sit tight mentality which wont help survivors in the long run. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:45, 10 September 2010 (BST)
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===Pistol Whip===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 23:21, 7 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Melee
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|'''Scope:''' New Players, or Players who have run out of ammo.
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|'''Description:''' Ever find yourself holding an empty weapon? Well here we have the pistol whip. You can now use your guns to attack the zombies with, but they have the same hit percentages as a baseball bat and only do about 2 damage at max. Not effected by hand to hand combat.
 
Zombies holding empty firearms are effected the same way.
 
Sorry if this was discussed before, I checked the duped suggestions and couldnt find an entry.
--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 21:46, 8 September 2010 (BST)
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====Discussion (Pistol Whip)====
Definitly a dupe. Looking for it now. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 23:54, 7 September 2010 (BST)
 
More importantly than it being a dupe, it's relatively useless. It's far less efficient than an axe or knife, and guns will always be geared towards ranged combat. The only thing I see is a roleplay purpose, but I would be happy with pretty much anything in the area of purposeless roleplaying, up to the ability to paint myself like a clown and enter buildings using balloons to float.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 23:56, 7 September 2010 (BST)
 
Younna has a good point about it only serving a roleplaying purpose. Also, there is this one which is shotgun specific: [[Suggestions/27th-Mar-2006#Shotgun_Smash|link]]. This one which is so unspecific it's hardly fair to call it a dupe: [[Suggestions/24th-Nov-2005#bludgeoning_with_guns|link]]. There was another one in the search results, but it had been spaminated and removed.. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:06, 8 September 2010 (BST)
 
This idea was mainly to help noobs who had choosen a firearm specific class and had run out of ammo. Or people who ran out of ammo, and the RNG hates them. Of course this would be useless to higher ranked people, but then again alot of skills are. --[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 21:46, 8 September 2010 (BST)
 
:Could also be for anyone who would rather carry an extra pistol clip rather than a knife. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:09, 8 September 2010 (BST)
:Well, carrying around a knife, fire axe or many other in the constant onslaught of weapons would be just as good (usually better) as this. I still see no need beyond flavour. I could like this if it was no damage and a newspaper slap dupe.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 07:45, 8 September 2010 (BST)


Also, I think it fits the theme nicely. In an apocolyptic world, your going to be desperate for survival. If you are holding an empty gun, but are facing zombies or crazy people. You need something to defend yourself with. It also probably wouldnt be that much of a stretch code wise either. Its also realistic. --[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 21:46, 8 September 2010 (BST){{unsigned|TheWritingWriter}}


I think I posted this suggestion a while back and it was immediatly dumped off in the developing suggestions page... So I like this idea due to the roleplaying possibilities. (and having suggested it before.) --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 04:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?
::I second that, this has some good flavour - Cutey's always looking for new ways to add to her collections! <span style="font-family: Segoe Script, Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em">[[User:Chief Seagull|<span style="color: green;">Chief&nbsp;Seagull</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chief Seagull|<small>squawk</small>]]</span><sup>[http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/parkour_sg.gif ''Free running!''</sup>] 08:45, 8 September 2010 (BST)


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A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.




Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?


===Malton City Hall===
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:William Burns|William Burns]] 22:43, 6 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Building/Flavor
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|'''Scope:''' Both humans and zombies
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|'''Description:''' My comments on my previous suggestion gave me the idea for this one. In most towns and cities around the world, there is a city hall. My suggestion is to creat a town hall building for Malton. It would be roughly in the center of Malton, partially in Barrville, Ridleybank, Galbraith Hills, and Stanbury Village. Yes, that means this would be a building the size of a mall, but to govern all the suburbs in Malton, a large building would be needed. the exact coordinates I had in mind are: Eyles Building (49,49), Esain Drive (50,49), Luckraft Bank (49,50), and the Corfield Arms (50,50). These spots are taken, but none of these locations are TRP's or important. The city hall would be barricadable as normal, and in it, a player could find FAKs (2%/3%), pistols (0%/1%), pistol ammunition (2%/3%), and the ever-present newspaper (1%/2%). I'm sure you already hate this idea, so post your opinions now.
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====Discussion (Malton City Hall)====
I've fixed your coding.  And also, I'm sure the building type is a dupe. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:47, 6 September 2010 (BST)
:And my [[PR_Buildings:_Specific_Types#City_Hall|presumption]] is correct. It's been Peer Reviewed already. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:49, 6 September 2010 (BST)


Malton has long been administrated from various [[Building_Types#Building|Office Buildings]]. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 23:12, 6 September 2010 (BST)
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===Visual building labeling for funner gameplay===
Please give your thoughts.
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Desto|Desto]] 23:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Visual addition
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|'''Scope:''' the game interfac
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|'''Description:''' Right now when you look at the map, everything is pretty much just a square with the name of a building written on top of it. I suggest adding small visual icons to each building - police stations, school, warehouses, etc. This won't affect the "physical" aspect of gameplay, but rather will make the game more enjoyable. Instead of reading every building, people will have a right away association with their surroundings, which will emerge the players slightly more into the game.
As a graphic designer, I'm actually willing to work on these icons for free, just as long as you consider implementing this into the game.
Cheers.


here's a small example. Didn't spend much time on it, so this is just to show what i had in mind.
http://i55.tinypic.com/1zr10t1.jpg
Of course if you guys decided to go through with this, everything will be designed much better =]
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====Discussion (Visual building labeling for funner gameplay)====
====Discussion (Backpack)====
There are scripts which do a much nicer version of this. But as somebody who likes the simplistic layout, I'd prefer it like it is; havign the choice of a simple map or a nice looking one.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 23:28, 4 September 2010 (BST)
 
I much prefer the hell rising visuals to icons. (yes. I know, sacrilegious) --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:29, 4 September 2010 (BST)
 
Get an old version of Firefox, and install the UDTool (or was it UDWidget?) add-on.  And there you have it.  A graphical map. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:31, 4 September 2010 (BST)
 
Honestly, I'd rather not degrade my firefox =/ {{Unsigned|Desto}}
:Then may I recommend the Nightly Tester add-on?  Or whatever the hell it's called?  It'll adjust your new versions of Firefox to accomodate old add-ons.  And it's [[Udtoolbar]] that has the graphics, by the way. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:36, 4 September 2010 (BST)
::The recent updates caused the visual aspect of UDtool to stop working. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:39, 4 September 2010 (BST)
 
Ok great thanks, i didn't know about this =] - {{unsigned|Desto}}
:If you're any good with coding, you can always create another add-on for Firefox that applies some newer graphics on the map.  The UDToolbar visuals are kinda outdated a little... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)
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===Anatomy===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:kerlc365|kerlc365]] 13:55
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|'''Type:''' new skill
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|'''Scope:''' survivors and zombies
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|'''Description:''' basically, you know where you hit them. you deal +1 damage with melee weapons, cause you know where the flesh is unprotected by bones and stuff. it is a science skill, so military would pay 150XP, civilians 100XP, and doctors and stuff 75XP. zombies would gain benefits from buying that skill while they are alive. why? because a feeling tells them where to strike, making them more deadly.
so, whaddaya think?
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====Discussion (Anatomy)====
It's kind of an un-needed buff for survivors.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 13:19, 2 September 2010 (BST)
:Firstly, well done, have an invisible cookie for using Developing suggestions. Its quite difficult to see where this would fit. Trained soldiers probably already know to targets weak points, and a scientist who can perform [[Surgery]] probably already knows all about anatomy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:26, 2 September 2010 (BST)
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===Zombie Hunter skill: Disembowel===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 12:31, 30 August 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' New skill
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|'''Scope:''' Level 10+ survivors who can buy the skill, receiving zombies
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|'''Description:''' Ever wonder how can you still trigger a Headshot when you're using melee weapons like fire axes and knives? I guess if you keep at hitting the head hard enough you probably can do it, but that takes more effort and time than a simple bullet, and in a zombie apocalypse you won't have enough of the time part. I feel the flavor is a bit amiss with that.
So I've been thinking: what if there was a separate Zombie Hunter skill when you kill a zombie with those weapons? That is what the Disembowel skill is for.
:{{udspan|'''Disembowel''' - If the player delivers a killing blow to a zombie with a knife or fire axe, it stands up with 20 less HP from its maximum hit points.}}
It costs 100 XP, and since it's a [[Zombie Hunter]] skill it's only available for survivors level 10 and above. Besides that it has no other prerequisite. The flavor is that with the knife or fire axe, the Zombie Hunter would further mutilate the zombie's body and heavily damage the organs and muscles; being a Malton zombie it would still stand up after that, but with a weakened constitution than usual.
Headshot still works the same for all other melee weapons like the crowbar, but for the knife and fire axe Disembowel has a higher priority than Headshot. If the player has both Headshot and Disembowel skills when they kill a zombie with a knife or fire axe, then the receiving zombie would not be Headshot and stand up with 5 less AP; instead it would be Disemboweled and stand up with 20 less HP.
Some things to consider:
* 20 HP might be a relatively huge HP loss, but zombies with Digestion can recover it by feeding on dead corpses. To recover 20 HP it would take 5 AP of feeding, which is also the amount of AP lost with Headshot.
* Zombie players would feel benefitted by the new skill since there's a chance they will only lose 10/1 AP upon death instead of 15/6 AP, if the survivor chooses to finish them off with a Disembowel instead of a Headshot. This would also be advantageous to the survivor since the next time they kill a Disemboweled zombie it would have 20 less HP if it hasn't recovered them. This leads to higher XP gain for both sides, with the zombies having more daily AP to play with and the survivors achieving the kill XP bonus more easily.
* In siege situations this can either bolster or weaken the attacking zombie force, depending on the strategies used. If the zombies are experts on [[?rise]] then using Disembowel to repel them would be fruitless, as even if they rise with 20 less HP they still stand up for only 10/1 AP. On the other hand if the zombies employ the [[Beachhead Tactic]], on the long run the zombies might be worse off as they can be quickly evicted from the building with their significantly reduced hit points.
Personally at the start I don't believe Disembowel would change much in normal play since most trenchies would still choose to finish zombies with guns and therefore Headshot. But who knows, if many survivors would use it it could lead to new strategies being developed, not only for the survivor side but also from the zombies who adapt to it. Would it help out survivors or zombies more? Hell if I know, but it's something to think about.
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====Discussion (Zombie Hunter skill: Disembowel)====
It seems rather a useless skill overall. Zombies have very little regard for HP. Even a 20HP loss isn't much. I don't think too many people would get this skill, since headshot removes 5AP immediately, rather than a HP reduction, which MIGHT mean that the zed is easier to kill or will use 5 AP to recover, but that the zeds will most likely ignore.
However, the zombie users would definitely like it (I know I would!). I think the issue is that it's too underpowered for the survivors. Why get a skill which actually somewhat HELPS the enemy? {{User:Shadok/sig}} 13:27, 30 August 2010 (BST)
:I haven't really considered if it clearly favors either side, all I can tell Disembowel is a very situational skill. When HP deficiency on zombies would make the survivors gain an upper hand it's great, otherwise Headshot is the way to go. Some examples I could think of:
:* Recovering ruins: with at least a one third reduction in zombie hit points, the survivors spend a similar lesser amount of AP on cleaning up zombies from within ruins. This makes TRP salting harder, and the 5 AP they save is a small reward compared to losing territory to survivors.
:* Anti-griefing mechanism: some survivors still believe that Headshot's AP loss property is harsh on zombie players who are after all humans in real life. With Disembowel these players can still contribute in keeping down the zombie menace by picking this skill instead of (or in conjunction with) Headshot, rather than not picking up a Zombie Hunter skill at all. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:09, 30 August 2010 (BST)
Uhm.. I like this, but there is [[Suggestion:20080916_Headshots_remove_HP,_not_AP|this]] suggestion that is very similar. It's written by you! :p - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:19, 30 August 2010 (BST)
:Yeah, it's inspired by that. :-) From that suggestion I figured Headshot has had too much controversy with it to be tweaked any further, so I remade the concept as a new Zombie Hunter skill.  --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:32, 30 August 2010 (BST)
You know, I've got so many bones to pick with this suggestion's format, but I actually like the core concept a lot. Either way it's a 5 AP drain on the undead, but this allows (high level) zombies to choose whether to pay it or not. The only players who are really inconvenienced by this, as I see it, are Combat Revivers, and I doubt anyone will lose sleep over them (or us, as it happens). Newbies might find themselves dying a bit more often with this implemented, but they only lose 40% of their HP and get to drop a 50% greater AP drain for it. That's a net win and another reason for this.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:06, 30 August 2010 (BST)
no No NO NO! NO!!! When you first started the idea, it sounded great, because I was thinking "Hey, a realistic way for a survivor to headshot someone with a god damn fire axe!" but HP is important. It's not as important as AP, I admit, but I've logged on plenty of times with only 2 HP left, and plenty of AP so that I can attack survivors when I would have been dead, and had to spend an extra 5 AP if I hadn't IMPROVED my HP... I admit that I dislike the unrealistic effects headshot has with melee weapons, but taking away our HP isn't the answer... I would like to suggest changing it to the 5 AP and headshot doesn't work with melee weapons, only disembowl, but I'm sure I'd get the rants of everyone on this wiki since about 9/10 of the wiki users are pro-survivor.  --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 04:50, 31 August 2010 (BST)
:Zombies don't ever care about HP.  Unless they're indoors.  Like the suggestion said.  The only real use of this would be to make establishing a beachhead harder for zombies, and gives late-level survivors a generally good buff in a siege situation.  Which is the only situation where survivors are even remotely underpowered.  And, if anything, it contributes to the fun of the game.  With good coordination, sieges could actually be a real challenge again between survivors and zombies, instead of the regular old steamroll followed by trenchies whining.
:If a survivor uses it on a zombie in any other situation, it wouldn't care about spending the 5(+) AP to heal up.  There's no reason to.  But in a siege situation, 20 HP off a zombie makes a hell of a lot of difference.  And I play mostly Dual Natured PKers, so we're not bringing sides into this, Gat.
:So totes in support, yo. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 07:04, 31 August 2010 (BST)
::Thank you, couldn't have said it better myself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 11:56, 1 September 2010 (BST)
This is a massive survivor buff. It robs smart zombies of 5 IP hits '''if''' they can find a body that is neither reviving nor already eaten, and leaves the less than smart zombies with only 80% effectiveness. I suggest an alternative: New Skill, Disembowel, is required to get a headshot with a melee weapon, while headshot covers firearms. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 05:01, 31 August 2010 (BST)
:It's really up to the receiving zombie whether they'll choose to heal the 20 HP. If they don't, that's great, they don't lose 5 AP. If they do then the 5 AP it takes to heal it all makes it the same as Headshot. There may be some lost AP when searching for dead bodies to feed, but it's a risk that's up to the zombie's choice whether it spends any AP to recover health in the first place -- unlike with Headshot, where they are pretty much '''guaranteed''' to lose 5 AP. I believe if the zombies figure out it's a bigger benefit if they don't heal the missing HP at all then they'll adjust accordingly. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 10:11, 31 August 2010 (BST)
I like it, it's just a shame that the current circumstances in the game are begging for more zombie buffs rather than survivor buffs. I'd still vote keep though. maybe make it 10HP not 20hp tbh. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 06:43, 31 August 2010 (BST)
:Also, as UUU above, good call on the differentiating headshot and this proposed skill. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 07:37, 31 August 2010 (BST)
::This is rather raw math-craft, but it would be too favorable for the zombies if they only lose 10 HP in exchange for no additional AP loss. With 10 HP loss it would only offset the HP bonus from body building/flesh rot and in siege situations, meatshielding would be considerably more effective. But with a 20 HP loss, 60 HP zombies with body building/flesh rot become 40 HP armored targets; if in this state they were to be mostly damaged with firearms, the AP expenditure would be the same as on 50 HP unarmored zombies.
::As for the current circumstances... lately it seems the balance is shifting to the zombie side after the August update. It's too early to tell if it stays that way though. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 10:11, 31 August 2010 (BST)
This suggestion is better than it seemed at first glance. If you can get people to read through it rather than vote on simple knee-jerk reaction, I think you have a decent chance of getting it passed. Implementation is, of course, another thing entirely, but I think this could definitely be a worthwhile option, and one I'd certainly prefer to getting headshot! {{Tongue}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 06:15, 1 September 2010 (BST)
:Thanks for the support. I might run this into voting if the balance starts favoring zombies around 60:40. DDR has a point that the survivors at present do not need a buff (since no matter how refined the skill is, it will still be perceived as a 'buff' for the sole fact that it's for Zombie Hunter), and once BB3 is over we might see a survivor bounce to the usual ratio favoring them. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 11:56, 1 September 2010 (BST)
I think this skill is overpowered. Because not only do I start out weaker. Therby making it easier to make me fall AGAIN and use MORE AP to stand up. I have to use up AP to heal myself. Id prefer headshot skill over this, because 6 ap is a small price to pay. Other then wasting your time and ap looking for bodies to eat. I mean what happens if the nearest bodies are some blocks away? What happens if all the bodies have been eaten more then 10 times? What if they are all reviving? I mean if you implemented this skill, alot of people would be eating bodies, so the chances that they hit the 10 mark, becomes higher and makes the zombie waste more ap looking for suitable bodies. Their needs to be some sort of repercussion to this, maybe have it cost more AP since you are taking the time to carve the zombie up? {{unsigned|TheWritingWriter}}
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===Post Offices===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:William Burns|William Burns]] 21:19, 29 August 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Building/ flavor
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|'''Scope:''' both zombies and humans
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|'''Description:''' In most cities around the world, there are post offices, or at least the equivalents for that region. Now in Malton, there are no post offices. I propose that some generic, non-resource, buildings are converted into post offices. These buildings would be barricadable as normal. They would have unique descriptions when both powered and unpowered. The description while powered could read "With the lights working, you can see all the undelivered mail, and the amount of it makes you want to hurt something", when the lights are off, it could read along the lines of "With no power to the lights, you can not see the mail that is waiting to be delivered". As for items and search rates inside, the only items you could find (because they governenment took everything good out of the mail when they read it) would be newspapers, firearms (postal worker rampages) and ammunition. Shotguns and pistols would both have search rates of (1%/3%), as would thier respecitve ammunition types. Newspapers, on the other hand, would be at a rate of (5%/7%).<br>Please voice your opinions.
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====Discussion (Post Offices)====
Sorry, guns? In a post office? No. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I would support one post office somewhere in the city, replacing a wasteland, and only giving newspapers for searches.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 21:31, 29 August 2010 (BST)
:That, and possibly also books and poetry books (as some of them must be sent by mail). But then, what would the point of a post office be that a library or mall bookstore doesn't already fulfill? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 21:39, 29 August 2010 (BST)
::That's why I like the idea of only one. One unique building would likely spawn a group to defend it, and so that would be more interesting.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 21:50, 29 August 2010 (BST)
:::Unique buildings should also offer something unique, though (like the EBS, or the walls of the forts). With post offices, I'd have no idea. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 22:30, 29 August 2010 (BST)
Small post offices are too small and insignificant to count for anything, and like houses, are represented simply as [[street]]. Large ones operate out of [[Buildings|Office Building]]s. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 22:35, 29 August 2010 (BST)
::::Postal worker bag! Just like the Flak Jacket, it has a special effect. makes it to where you can carry 10% more stuff in your encumberence if you have it equiped! Because you can carry stuff in it. What do ya think? put it up for voting! I like it!--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 22:37, 29 August 2010 (BST)
:::::I'm sure that's a dupe, and it's not like encumbrance isn't already too nice. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 04:47, 31 August 2010 (BST)
what would be the point of only looting newspapers? While humorous, they are useless and I wouldnt want to barricade myself into a place where I can only get useless weapons. The gun thing COULD be plausible, because people might mail guns. Unlikely? Yes, Plausible? Yes.And this IS a game about zombies, one could argue that the postal workers grabbed some guns and barricaded themselves in the postal office. {{unsigned|TheWritingWriter}}
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===Instinctive Gait===
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|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:22, 28 August 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' ffs
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|'''Scope:''' Starting Zombies
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|'''Description:''' Why not give newbies who start as zombies Lurching Gait? They already have it pretty rough trying to find food and taking 15AP headshots, and it's not like this is any worse than giving scouts Free Running. Maybe add LG to the RM, maybe replace it, I'm not sure. Discuss.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:22, 28 August 2010 (BST)
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====Discussion (Instinctive Gait)====
Vigour Mortis is definitively the most important skill (as it's the means to gain XP at all), so it shouldn't be taken away at all. I'd be favourable towards a single extra skill for zombies, but I think it's a dupe. (One of the many suggestions for military and scientist zombies had extra skills depending on class linked to it, I think.) --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:29, 28 August 2010 (BST)
:Found [[Suggestion:20071001_Military%2C_and_Scientist_Zombies%3F|a dupe]], although I'm certain there were more. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 21:14, 28 August 2010 (BST)
How about just removing the daft 2AP cost altogether?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 20:38, 28 August 2010 (BST)
Well we now have a new function where we get directions to the nearest groan, why not add a follow button which when clicked moves you one step towards the groan for 1AP with or without Lurching Gait. It would help newbies be able to level without giving them another skill. On the other hand, it would suck to follow it and find a closed door, but at least you moved somewhere. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 21:15, 28 August 2010 (BST)
:+1 --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 22:50, 29 August 2010 (BST)
I like the concept. Don't touch VM, but make LG more available. Maybe start with both, maybe import [[rage]], maybe allow babahz to lurch in sync with their instincts. Either make it easier to get or make it less vital. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 22:50, 29 August 2010 (BST)
:I like the idea of using the rage mechanic, as the code for that is already around and as it helps babahs retrocactively. It also encourages to search out survivors when dead, rather than to head to the next cemetery. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 05:57, 31 August 2010 (BST)
This NEEEEEEDS to be done in some form. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 08:58, 30 August 2010 (BST)
I might put this up then (as spiderzed just has my idea loosely represented as an option for part of it). Whitehouse, if you want to put that idea up, by all means go ahead.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:11, 30 August 2010 (BST)
I like the idea, but some folks might not if it was totally free. How about a discount? Like if you start as the Corpse class the first two zombie skills you buy are only 50 XP, after that they cost the normal 100 XP. That way they can quickly gain Lurching Gait + another zombie skill on their first 100 XP, which taken from another point of view makes LG somewhat free. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:02, 31 August 2010 (BST)
:Newbies shouldn't have to stagger feebly around malton while actually paying 2AP per sad, sad click to do so. At least, that's the idea I've based this suggestion on.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:49, 31 August 2010 (BST)
::Oh no worries, I'll keep your suggestion as is, think of my idea as a back-up plan. I just thought the double AP cost for moving simulates the slowness aspect of zombie travel. How will you represent that in-game once LG is made free? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 09:44, 31 August 2010 (BST)
:::Slow zombies are a dying breed, and that's adequately represented by the hordes of zombies you can run past safely; they're too slow to catch you. Besides, when has anyone ever "escaped" from a zombie without using doors or barricades anyway?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:08, 2 September 2010 (BST)
Lurching Gait never made sense to me. If zombies are supposed to be slow, how did they suddenly get fast? I think they should eliminate it from the game entirely. And by IT i mean the taking 2 ap to move. {{unsigned|TheWritingWriter}}
:<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363547/ It's] [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289043/ totally] [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1082868/ out] [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038988/ of] [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089885/ genre] [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103873/ after] [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120804/ all], right?</span> {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:13, 8 September 2010 (BST)
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===Rend Ears===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 02:57, 28 August 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Skill
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
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|'''Description:''' "Zombies begin to find new ways to reduce the efficiency of their food, looking into new techniques of damaging them. All around Malton, survivors can find zombies chewing on the ears of unfortunate survivors..."
Basics: On the dropdown menu for an attack after grappling a survivor, a zombie who takes this ability recieves a new option called "rend ears" this ability is a bite attack that deals half damage, but has the same effects as a regular bite attack from the zombie. Instead of attacking a survivor in general, the zombie instead attempts to make a "called shot" at the survivor's ears.
Effects: A survivor attacked by rend ears will find themselves unable to hear things such as feeding groans, and radio broadcasts. They also find themselves only able to pick up partial messages that players say. This effect stays active until they either A. Use a FAK, or B. Die. (where it is assumed a zombie's natural regenerative processes would fix this problem)
Location: Found under Digestion, or Memories of Life.
|}
====Discussion (Rend Ears)====
So, it'd basically let a zombie not only infect a survivor but render them useless as a team player until they had been FAKed, all for the cost of a single bite? I do think that Infection is underpowered at the moment, but this is not the answer. To me, this seems awfully overpowered, as well as something that would greatly diminish the fun of playing. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:44, 28 August 2010 (BST)
Last I checked, the game's about zombies, not Mike Tyson. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 11:10, 28 August 2010 (BST)
''HOLY SHIT A ZOMBIE JUST TORE MY EARS OFF!''<br>
''It's ok, I have a spare pair in my first aid kit.'' --{{User:Alexander Dawkins/Sig}} 23:48, 29 August 2010 (BST)
Unless a zombie is shoving something ''inside'' someone's earholes (and no, a mouth full of teeth won't fit) and damaging their eardrum, attacking a person's ears isn't going to deafen anyone - you don't hear anything with the part on the outside. Also, you'd have to make two attacks, one for each ear. --[[User:Ms.Panes|Ms.Panes]] 08:05, 30 August 2010 (BST)
Considering how useless Infection is. I doubt this would do much. {{unsigned|TheWritingWriter}}
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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

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Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

Discussion (Shrink the map)

Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

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Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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