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==Suggestions==
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===Halve all hit points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 12:45, 19 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Value change
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|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' Let's go crazy and halve all hitpoints. These would be the concrete effects:
*Starting humans and zombies have 25HP.
*[[Bodybuilding]]/[[Flesh Rot]] just grants +5HP rather than +10HP, giving a total of 30HP.
**Revived humans have 12/15HP (depending on if they have Bodybuilding or not.)
**[[Feeding Drag|drag-eligibility]] still gets triggered at 12HP, putting freshly revived humans without FAKs at great risk (and giving bodybuilding actually some tangible benefit, as even infected bodybuilders aren't draggable right off the bat)
*damage from weapons and infection remains unaltered
*damage from failed [[Freerunning]] into ruins is halved to 2HP, rather than 5HP (17-20% of total possible health for stumbling over rubble would be a bit extreme, wouldn't it?)
*healing still heals 5/10/15HP depending on circumstances and skills, and digestion still grants 4HP per bite
*XP for healing and attacking remain the same
Why go that crazy? Because of these beneficial effects:
 
'''Zombies'''
*Lone ferals get a far better chance to break in and still have the AP to drag/kill someone, making even lone ferals dangerous.
*Cheap revive costs become far less of an issue in balance, as they are closer to kill costs, without the need to raise the AP costs for reviving to a ridiculous amount
**At the same time, combat revives remain a viable tactic, as they work reliably for exactly 10AP and just use up a single 2% item (unlike melee weapons, which probably use more than the 10AP, and unlike guns, which clog up more than 2% of encumbrance).
*Eating corpses becomes a viable tactic, as the AP costs to do so are close to that of receiving a headshot and rising again with full HP
 
'''PKers'''
*PKers would need far less HP to kill, allowing further away bolt-holes and epic striketeam mass homicide
*PKers could actually make some impact, as the kill costs are so close to revive costs
*OTOH, the halved HP would put also PKers at greater risk, as even [[dark]] places aren't a darn safe protection from every lone wolf without a genny and fuel. A bodybuilding PKer with a flak jack could be killed with a pistol for 20AP on average (((30HP / 4 damage)/65% hit probability)/50% darkness penalty).
**Carrying genny+fuel for PKer hunting would still be a sensible option, as it allows a.) to "bank" AP in advance that later make it easier to hunt PKers and b.) it allows to collect multiple bounties in dark places swarming with PKers
**This would also give bounty-hunting/retribution kills some sense, as the costs for doing so aren't so much ridicoulously higher than the costs to revive the PKers (although it would still remain somewhat less AP-efficient than ignoring PKers and putting the APs rather into reviving the victims)
 
'''Survivors'''
*Survivors get a far better chance to break a cade block, as they can kill and dump multiple zeds per individual AP cycle. A survivor loaded with pistols could repel a rotter for 10AP on average, allowing him to kill and dump 4 zeds at once and still cade a bit if he is fully rested. (((30HP / 4 damage)/65% hit probability = 10AP, +1AP for dumping = 11AP per pop)
*Survivors can fill up their inventory mostly with FAKs, syringes, a toolbox and maybe also a genny and/or fuel, and still put enough guns into their spare encumbrance for them to actually have an effect. A single revolver and a spare clip for a total of 6% would be sufficient to repel a single fully healthy rotter
 
'''Flavour'''
*3-4 shotgun blasts or 5-8 revolver bullets would be all what it takes to send someone to the boot hill, rather than the ridiculous amount of abuse that folks can take right now before they die
 
The beneficial effects would probably be slightly more in favour of zombies than survivors (as the imperative of zombies is to attack whenever possible, while survivors usually only fight when things have gone wrong), but it would offer something for both, and it would especially nerf the dreaded cade blocking without removing it entirely.
 
I'm aware that it's crazy and extreme, but I see a lot of merit in this. Discuss.
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====Discussion (Halve all hit points)====
I figured the reason why everyone's so tough to kill in this game is because we're all descendants of [http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Survivors#Keith Keith]. So having everyone literally miss half of their life is more than a bit... unsettling. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 13:43, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
<big><big>MAKE IT SO</big></big> {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 18:39, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
It's an interesting idea. I could see the benefits of it but also see how it would be much less beneficial to survivors. Ultimately I think it would drive away players, especially those that play strictly as survivors. Therefore I would likely kill vote it if it comes up in the suggestion portal. --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 18:53, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:It's not like a survivor has to put up with a lot of death, unless he seeks it out. The last three times a survivor of mine died was when I purposefully slept in red zones and in Blackmore NT. Remember also that this suggestion does nothing to cades - they remain the roadblock that they are right now, and probably even more so, as it becomes possible to break a cade block. It just makes things more exciting when the cades actually break (which is rare enough). --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:33, 19 September 2010 (BST)
The main issue I see here is Dealt in lead syndrome. Once somebody dies, they'll die again so quickly that the game loses loads of its playability. Griefing becomes ridiculously overpowered, not to mention zerging. Ultimately, it's steps to speeding up the game, the same thing as doubling AP would do. Too much could happen while somebody was offline for this to be a completely logical decision.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 19:04, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:That's what you should carry FAKs for (and they aren't really hard to find, unlike healing items in DiL). Even my PKers carry at all times at least 1 FAK, and more likely 2 or 3 of them. If you are really more concerned about being killed than anything else, then sleep in the dark. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:33, 19 September 2010 (BST)
::Damages newbs. Newbs are the future. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:54, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:::Ross is right, especially when you consider that flaks would now be twice as effective, and lots of newbs don't have them.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 21:02, 19 September 2010 (BST)
::::I can see Ross' point about survivor newbs. They'd probably need something to partially offset the hardships of this suggestion, such as free Lurching Gait by the rage mechanic, or bonus healing items (FAKs, beers, wines) at the start. That would be a different suggestion, though. (And linking this suggestion with an unrelated suggestion would most likely greatly diminish the chance to get this through the suggestion system. I'm open to be convinced to the contrary, though.)
::::OTOH, babah zambahz would greatly profit from this. The early ZKing becomes far more profitable, as the 10XP kill bonus is more often handed out. (This also goes for newb survivors who gain their first levels by killing zombies in the streets.)
::::Don't see the point about flaks, though. Most honorable PKers don't target newbs at all, and even if they target newbs, PKers are the least sorrow of newbs compared to zombies. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 21:31, 19 September 2010 (BST)
I don't like it, I think it will reduce fun. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 21:06, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
Coming from a survivor/PKer/zombie background, I have to say that I like it. Granted, it'll hurt survivors that end up in the crosshairs/claws of their enemies, but it'll help smart survivors, since it'll let them clear buildings more quickly, and it shouldn't hurt them much, since barricades are still there. That it buffs PKing is a nice fringe benefit. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:36, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:I'm a new zombie. Every time I die it takes me 10 to 15ap to stand up. Halving my HP is not a good thing. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:42, 19 September 2010 (BST)
::To paraphrase the Prophet, zombies don't have 50AP. They have 44AP. Learn to accept it and embrace it. Though, in your case, it's a bit less. :P Besides, this won't increase the rate that you're killed very much at all for the simple reason that they can't kill you twice. When I first started out, I woke up dead as often as not (come to think of it, not much has changed...), but until I stand up again, they can't kill me again, which means that you'd still be starting off each day with 35-40AP, just as you are now. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:50, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:::Except now instead of knocking down a single newbie zombie per venture outside, I'll be knocking down two. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 22:04, 19 September 2010 (BST)
::::It's not the number of times you die, but the chance of waking up dead I'm worrying about. Looking at this its things like, a level one private being able to kill me on his own, or a dedicated survivor able to deliver a [[flare gun|one shot kill]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:07, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
It encourages people to travel in large groups instead of the 1-5 survivors all huddled in a building barricading/the lone zombies trying to tough it out. Also encourages people to be a little smarter in their actions... I like it for the most part, even though there are a few ways this could be bad. (such as has Ross has mentioned, new players. --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 04:44, 20 September 2010 (BST)
 
Yeah, right. Seems like newbs are the big roadblock that this suggestion has to deal with. Ideas on goodies that could be linked with this suggestion and are still minor enough to not kill it? Personally, I'd be inclined to give new zombies Digestion for free, and to give new survivors 1 bonus FAK and 1 wine/beer for free. Importing the [[Borehamwood#Skills|Rage mechanic]] could also work to help both kinds of newbs (and would be easy-peasy, as the code already exists and would just need to be applied to Malton). --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 08:52, 20 September 2010 (BST)


Becomes way to easy to max out your characters. Firemen and Corpses basically become gods with this implementation. I'll admit it would be fun for awhile, but whats the point of making max characters so easily? also, it would be easy to grief people like this, just stand in revive points like cemeteries and kill everything, which because of the half life, becomes much easier.--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 23:50, 20 September 2010 (BST)
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===Airstrike===
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
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|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Dezonus/sig}} 01:41, 19 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Skill, extension of radio Operation
|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors, level 25 or above (20 if military) (Subject to change) can buy the "Call in Airstrike" skill at a cost of 500XP
|'''Scope:''' Interface
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|'''Description:''' Airstrike, called in by radio on a specific frequency (probably only available at Forts). When the player with the '''Call in Airstrike''' skill broadcasts "Requesting Airstrike [xx,yy]" on the correct frequency, it will instantly return the message "Airstrike Request, Location [xx,yy]: Location name, Please confirm.", to which the player can confirm for 20AP, or cancel for 0AP. The frequency will then broadcast "Airstrike [xx,yy] ETA 24hrs", and will periodically rebroadcast the time remaining. Any player with the '''Call in Airstrike''' skill can abort the airstrike up to 1 minute before impact, even if they didnt call it in. They would broadcast "Abort Airstrike [xx,yy]" on the same frequency (But does not need to be the same location.
|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
 
Only one Airstrike can be called in at a time for the whole of Malton, and once a successful Airstike takes place, another cannot be called in for another week ("Requesting Airstrike [xx,yy]" "Airstrike unavailable for another (time remaining))
 
Airstrikes will deal 40 damage to everybody, regardless of whether Zombie or Survivor on the block of impact. And building will be ruined with "Explosion damage", and take a lot more AP to repair. Surounding blocks will randomly take damage up to a 5 block radius.
 
Airstrikes cannot be called in if any part of a fort is within that 5 block radius.
 
'''Examples:''' "Requesting Airstrike [19,27]" ''"Airstrike Request, Location [19,27]: Caiger Mall (North West Corner), Please confirm."'' Confirm Airstrike (20AP) ''"Airstrike [19,27] ETA 24hrs"''
<br>''"Payload delivered [19,27] at 04:21, 17 September 2010 (BST)"''
<br>"Requesting Airstrike [83,92]" ''"Airstrike request declined, too close to Fort Perryn"'''
 
'''If the bomber flies over you:'''
<br>You see a External Military Bomber plane heading [direction] (for military and or people with the skill
<br>You see a plane heading [direction] (for non military, or those who dont have the skill)
<br>You see a big pretty flying thingy (for Zombies)
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====Discussion (Airstrike)====
====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)====
Please note: I suggested this earlier, with some who sort of liked the idea, but thought it needed development, so now it's here {{User:Dezonus/sig}} 01:42, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:No one said it needs development because it really is an overpowered suggestion.  Heck, if you take it to voting again, I will not be surprised if one of the Ops use their SysOp spaminated power. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:56, 19 September 2010 (BST)
::Aye, you're getting to attached to your suggestion. The suggestion is hopeless; Distance yourself from it, and your reputation will remain largely intact. Remember, your goal here should be to increase the quality of suggestions that Kevan reads, not to have him read your own. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 02:42, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
The fuck is this shit.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:32, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
Instead of making the long post I made in suggestions up for voting, I'll keep it simple, and sumarize it in one word... '''NO!''' --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 02:36, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
Ugh, No --[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 04:14, 19 September 2010 (BST)
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===Shrink the map===
===Carpenter===
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|'''Timestamp:''' -<span style="background:black">-[[User:Scout|{{C|aqua|Scout |#000000}}]][[User talk:Scout|{{C|#00FF80| talk|#000000}}]][[User:Scout/Chickengirloffire|{{C|aqua|!!!|#000000}}]][[Special:Random |<span style="color:aqua">!!]]</span></span> 20:39, 18 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Starting class
|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' The Carpenter starting class would start with a toolbox and the Construction skill.
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
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====Discussion (Carpenter)====
====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
To make this suggestion complete: Where would Carpenters [[Spawning|spawn]]? What would their Welcome Message be? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 20:46, 18 September 2010 (BST)
:The above doesn't matter because we have [[PR_Class_New:_Survivor_%26_Zombie#Science:_Engineer|Engineer]], a character class which starts with Construction, in Peer Reviewed already. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:11, 18 September 2010 (BST)
:Also, [[Suggestions/RejectedApril2006#Construction_WorkerConstruction Worker]], which is the exact same thing, was duped because of the Engineer eons before it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:12, 18 September 2010 (BST)
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===booby trap skill===
===Action Points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Naughteous Maximus|Naughteous Maximus]] 17:40, 17 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' survivor & zombie skills
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' survivors and zombies
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' This is a more refined version of a previous proposal by another player ([[Suggestions/11th-Nov-2005#Booby_Trap|11th-Nov-2005 Booby Trap]]) to implement a Military skill under the construction section called booby trap.  This is a very limited skill which would allow for a survivor to implement a single booby trap in a building that is barricaded.  It is a single firing booby trap.  Buildings which are not barricaded can not have booby traps.  A barricaded building can not have multiple booby traps.
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game.  I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
 
Like all other construction skills, it would require having a toolbox and maybe another object, such as a length of pipe, which is consumed for the trap. The booby trap would go off to impact only the person to "bring down the last of the barricade."  This could be either zombie or survivor.  It would do a small amount of damage, maybe 5 or 10 hp. I would suggest that it take considerable AP to set up a booby trap, maybe 5 or 10 AP. Because it does take so many AP, if someone tries to booby trap an already booby-trapped building, they should be told before the AP expenditure that "A booby trap has already been set here." Maybe it could be part of the description of the barricade, but only from the inside of the building.
 
In addition, to balance the skill, zombies could have a recognize booby trap ability in their Memories of Life section. That could either work outright to avoid the trap, or have a high percentage chance to avoid the trap.  Unskilled zombies would be unable to avoid triggering the trap. I believe this is in character with the apocalyptic zombie survivor mentality, and I think it would be a fun addition to the game. Additional suggestions for this idea are welcomed.
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====Discussion (booby trap skill)====
====Discussion (Action Points)====
 
Duped, Shooting Through Barricades, Multiply it by 1000. No. And how is 5-10 damage in one hit a "small amount of damage"? No single attack in this game does more then 4. --[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 20:14, 2010 September 17 (BST)
:Did you forget a weapon? [[Firearms#Shotgun|Shotgun (Damage 10 points (8 against a flak jacket.))]] [[User:Ontaru|Ontaru]] 20:47, 2010 September 17 (BST)
:It is not "shooting through a barricade" if you'd read the entire suggestion carefully.  The amount of damage is supposed to be more than any weapon can do, but a single shot.  There is no "multiply by 1000" because you can only set up one. Period. Per building.  And it only hits one target. {{unsigned|Naughteous Maximus}}
::30 damage is the maximum damage it is possible to inflict with a single ap. Many issues here, notably, zombies (who will be the only players this will target), don't really care about hp, how does a pipe inflict so much damage, it can be used a a griefing tool against rot revive clinics, its ap inefficent, booby traps are triggered by someone destroying the cades, but not entering the building? How does that work? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:12, 17 September 2010 (BST)
 
You cite a dupe, say that it's more refined, but then, as far as I can tell, have not made any substantial changes aside from making it less powerful. That suggestion was killed by nearly everyone for a reason, and I don't see anything here that changes my mind. It effectively allows survivors to "bank" AP by investing it in the trap, which  can later be spent to do damage. See also: [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots#Writing New Suggestions|Dos and Do Nots]] (the point about pinning down details), [[Frequently_Suggested#Auto Attacks|Auto Attacks]], and the [[Frequently_Suggested#The List|list of frequent suggestions]] (check the entry for "Traps"). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:07, 17 September 2010 (BST)
 
Well, the suggestion of tying it to a barricade was really more to limit the places where they could be set up, but I understand what you are saying about banking AP.  I did think it was much more thought out, not unlimited in scope as the previous suggestion.  The idea behind it is that the length of pipe "rests" on the barricade and when the last layer is taken out, whoever is underneath gets beaned by it.  The trap is gone after that.  And remember, it may not be a zombie.  There are those survivors who choose to work for the dark side of the force! But you are right, the essence of the concept has not changed. I will certainly understand if, for that reason, it is not implemented.  [[User:Naughteous Maximus|Naughteous Maximus]] 21:31, 17 September 2010 (BST)
:While booby traps fit the zombie apocolyptic setting, they would fall under so many dupes that it's pointless to uggest one. Still, why would it do 5-10 damage instead of the regular pipe damage? --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 22:27, 17 September 2010 (BST)
 
Oh yeah, I forgot about the shotgun. Sorry. And its multiply by 1000 because EVERY safehouse is going to have one of these damn things. And whenever it runs out, people will keep making more of it. I'm pretty sure there's a rule against uber powerful single shots.--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 04:16, 19 September 2010 (BST)
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===The Machete===
===Drone===
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|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 03:35, 16 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Weapon
|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
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|'''Scope:''' Survivor/Zombie
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:'''  
|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
No new skills, just uses the Hand-to-Hand Combat skill and the Knife Proficiency skill.
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====Discussion (Drone)====
 
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Base Accuracy 25%
 
+15%(Hand-to-Hand Combat skill) = 40%
 
+15%(Knife Proficiency skill) = 55%
 
Damage: 2
 
 
Basically a knife-hatchet hybrid. Because it has a longer blade and its fairly easy to use so it has more base accuracy, but it doesn't have the handle length to get a good swing or the weight to inflict enough damage as the axe would so it inflicts only 2 damage. Has a great Roleplaying value.
 
 
Great for beginners(even better than the knife)but harder to get as it can be found only in:
 
junkyards 1%(junk)
 
armories 5%
 
police departments 2%(evidence lockers)
 
warehouses 5%(maybe manufactured or military surplus)
 
mall sport stores 2%
(you know how they have ''everything'' in that secret room you stumble upon on your way to the restroom...after a two hour long trip to the sports store...with a jumbo-extra-extra-large-COW-I-MEAN-RAT-MEAT-QUADRUPLE-POUNDER-AND-A-HALF-BIGMAC(even the kids are eating it these days)and finally realize they have a "SECRET ROOM" BUT NO '''RESTROOM'''!??!?!RAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!*explodes*)
 
 
OH! And zombies can use it too so...yea..........within their endlessly clutching hands; MUWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!1!!ONE11!!(note: that was supposed to sound scary)
 
 
 
 
====Discussion (The Machete)====
No. Not even if Danny Trejo asked. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:44, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Was it because of the absence of a restroom? :D--[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 03:47, 16 September 2010 (BST)
 
[[PR_Weapon#Machete_.28Axe_Clone.29|Peer Reviewed Dupe]].  And it's from 2005.  If Kevan hasn't implemented it in the past 5 years, he's never going to implement it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:47, 16 September 2010 (BST)
:But there's a significant difference: accuracy, zombies using it and the skills it needs for the extra accuracy--[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 03:49, 16 September 2010 (BST)
::It's a dupe regardless. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:55, 16 September 2010 (BST)
::Also, nothing about that suggestion says zombies can't use them.  So still a dupe.  And I will be ready to dupe you off the suggestions page with that suggestion. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:56, 16 September 2010 (BST)
 
I want knife throwing. Can we have knife throwing? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 03:49, 16 September 2010 (BST)
:Someday Aeon, someday.--[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 03:51, 16 September 2010 (BST)
::That someday is never.  December 1st, 2005 suggestion.  Throwing Items.  6 spam votes.  Out of 6 votes. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:55, 16 September 2010 (BST)
 
Whoa. You guys are pretty quick at crushing people's dreams. I give props and cookies!!!--[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 03:58, 16 September 2010 (BST)
:I suggest this: Before making a suggestion, use the search bar on the left.  It will save you time, and it will save others time. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 04:01, 16 September 2010 (BST)
 
Hmmm...I always wondered what that was for.--[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 04:04, 16 September 2010 (BST)
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===Digestion update===
===Backpack===
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|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Chris Ortego|Chris Ortego]] 06:57, 14 September 2010 (BST)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Skill
|'''Type:''' New item
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' I think it would be great if zombies with digestion could gain a chance for bonus hp for successful biting attacks. It would be wise if they accept this and use it when the zombie count #'s drop more.
|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
====Discussion (Digestion Update)====


I actually think most of the survivor  count is from people with multiple accounts creating those level one firemen GKers or PKers everyday. I think its either spying sabotage or for flavour like if someone went crazy and attacked randomly in a situation, like when people run over each other because they begin to panic. --[[User:Chris Ortego|Chris Ortego]] 07:01, 14 September 2010 (BST)


Zombies with digestion already gain HP for successful biting attacks. Is there anything I miss? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 08:19, 14 September 2010 (BST)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?
:As Spiderzed. Zombies already gain HP, so what is this suggestion for? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:21, 14 September 2010 (BST)
I was thinking about a bonus amount of hp but i guess I should incorporate that more --[[User:Chris Ortego|Chris Ortego]] 16:30, 14 September 2010 (BST)
:Well they already gain 4HP per bite, just like using digestion on a corpse. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 17:02, 14 September 2010 (BST)


Maybe a bonus upon finishing a survivor off with a bite. Easier to eat when the meat is no longer struggling. [[User:Whitehouse]] 17:11, 14 September 2010 (BST)
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


I thought it was saying that the zombie could go above the maximum HP limit. Either way, I have to admit that digestion HP recovery is mostly good for when there isn't a corpse in sight to eat. Also, I think a lot of people only use bite to infect survivors. (usually there is a corpse in sight...)--[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 06:05, 15 September 2010 (BST)


I'm not even sure what exactly is being suggested. Care to elaborate? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:09, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?
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===Sentry Duty Skill===
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Chris Ortego|Chris Ortego]] 06:40, 14 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Skill
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|'''Scope:''' Skilled Survivors
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|'''Description:''' I am reintroducing the "sentry" idea to fit more properly with the new scouting skills of the survivors. The "Sentry Duty" skill.




This is how it will work:
Please give your thoughts.


You can buy this skill if you have bought the scout safehouse skill. You must be within your scouted safe house for the skill to work. When you buy the skill a new button will be available to you but it can only be used in your scouted safehouse. The function of the sentry skill is making the player guard the barricades and attack any zombies that may damage the barricade (for example a zombie clawing the barricade from EHB to VHB++)the player automatically attacks the zombie with the selected weapon (BUT THE PLAYER CAN ONLY BLOCK FIVE TIMES MAX).
Here is a good example:
John is happy. John just purchased the "Sentry Duty" skill today. John is preparing to leave the computer for the day and stopped in his safehouse with 16AP to spare(11 + 5 extra). John new he would be alone in that safe house for a long time tonight so he chose to click the drop down menu's next to the "Begin Sentry Duty" button. The first; how much time he wanted to guard for and the second; what weapon he was going on sentry duty with. John chose 24 hours and Shotgun(2)(This was a great choice for John because he had Advanced shotgun training). As John proceeded to click the "Begin Sentry Duty" button he realized there was a warning in red next to the button. John clicked the "Begin Sentry Duty" button. John could now automatically attack the next zombie that damages the barricades.
2AP per hour - 1AP per hour = 1AP per hour so durring sentry duty john regenrates 1 AP an hour
x = # of hours
16AP - 15AP = 1AP + 1APx
Within 13 hours there was a zombie that broke John's barricades down one level. John's character emediatelly jumped into action and shot the zombie intruder(gaining xp for the # of hours at post and the XP for the combat). But at any moment john could click the "End Sentry Duty" button that replaced the begin sentry duty button or preform an action besides talking and is refunded the AP used to pay every hour that hasn't been payed yet(saves the AP not used yet).
1AP + (1AP * 13hours) = 14AP
then after sentry duty ends
14AP + 2APx
====Discussion (Sentry Duty Skill)====
I stopped reading after a paragraph. The fact that this means I missed 80% of the suggestion instantly means you're trying too hard with it. Simple things is better. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 06:47, 14 September 2010 (BST)
Thanks! I'll work on it. I thought that someone was gonna have to think this all out :D. --[[User:Chris Ortego|Chris Ortego]] 07:05, 14 September 2010 (BST)
A few minor details (I also only read the first paragraph). First, it doesn't give you 5AP, it gives you a 10% chance that your 1AP action will cost 0AP. Secondly, this looks alot like firing through barricades.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 07:34, 14 September 2010 (BST)
:Also, auto-attacks. And auto-attacks alone are a big red glaring suggestion no-no. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 08:20, 14 September 2010 (BST)
::As Mis, Yonn, and Spiderzed. Too long, attacking through barricades is almost always bad, and auto-attacks are something to avoid. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:23, 14 September 2010 (BST)
Lets see, we got... shooting through barricades, auto-attacks, auto-HITS (from what I read) and improper AP loss. The way I see this, it states a survivor can set up base in a building, create a sentry, sleep that night, check the sentry in the morning to make sure they are still blocking, spend a few AP searching/restarting sentry duty, and continuosly do this over and over again by simply checking the server every couple hours. On top of that, a CRAPTON of survivors could all set up this same thing at the same time, allowing them all to shoot the same zombie. Also includes multiple by a thousand rule now. Do headshots apply? *facepalms* I realize a lot of people aren't satisfied with Kevan's new skill, but how about we just say "this skill sucks" rather than try to ammend it with a million different ideas, like how we did such with certain zombie skills which are considered generally pointless until later on (or vice versa). Anyone, anyone? --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 05:58, 15 September 2010 (BST)
:I'll give you credit though, you spelled guard right! (a lot of people spell it gaurd.) --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 06:01, 15 September 2010 (BST)
All thanks to spell-check Kakashi. Oh and shall I break out the '''Spam''' for this suggestion or is that later?--[[User:Ben834|Ben834]] 03:35, 16 September 2010 (BST)
So, we have shooting through barricades, Auto hits and Multiply it by a billion? Yeah no.
--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:44, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Auto-attack? '''Spam'''. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:10, 20 September 2010 (BST)
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===Add "/" to the zombie vernacular===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Vapor/sig}} 21:25, 13 September 2010 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' Flavor
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
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|'''Description:''' I'd like to see the inclusion of "/" (forwardslash) to the zombie vernacular. Why? So that some day zombies too may share links in-game as survivors do. How? Well were fowardslash added, it would only be a matter of time before someone came up with something similar to [http://tr.im tr.im] or [http://bit.ly bit.ly] that uses only characters found in the zamgrh alphabet. Why can't we do it now? Because I honestly can't think of a way of doing it without a forwardslash.
====Discussion (Add "/" to the zombie vernacular)====
I see no problem with this, nor do I see a reason to allow zombies to spam my screen with links that will rickroll me, and give my computer viruses. It is easy to overuse, and troll with, but at the same time could have significance. --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 05:59, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Zombies can now surf the internets? NecroTech never ceases to amaze. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 08:12, 15 September 2010 (BST)
You cant post links as a zombie? I never knew that, nor have I ever tried. Id put this in.
--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:46, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Put the link in your profile if it's important, and gesture or do something similar to draw attention to yourself and get people to read your profile. Besides, zombies can't use computers — what need have they of hypertext? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 09:35, 19 September 2010 (BST)
:See also [[Feral Movement]] for some more ideas on that. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 06:38, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Zombies can't say "zrazh" now? --[[User:Nuisance|Nuisance]] 04:42, 20 September 2010 (BST)
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===Sleeping bag===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' {{unsigned|ErichZann|22:17, 12 September 2010 (BST)}}
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|'''Type:''' Item
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|'''Scope:'''
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|'''Description:''' A means of getting more HP/AP faster, at a slight cost of safety. Here's my Idea: It allows the user to gain
A) 3 AP/ Hour(Max 24)
B) 10 HP(Max)
(whatever Kev wants)
But the user must be inactive for at least, say eight hours straight(No Logging in), must have sleeping bag and the cost is being 20%(WKW)more vulnerable.
The survivor is thought to be groggy/suprised and unable to outmanouvre the assailant(s)as easily. This is based on the idea of being active while attacked instead of just sitting still and getting hit.
This suggestion is just something to add detail to the game. I don't have a good grasp on statistics, so I'll leave it to those better equipped.
The personal motivation behind this is motivate less frequent use on the server, people who are logging in and logging out, spending just a couple of points at a time.
|}
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====Discussion (Sleeping bag)====
====Discussion (Backpack)====
Nothing stops me logging on before I go to sleep, spending all my AP and then doing this, so that I'll have half my AP back by the time I wake up?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:29, 12 September 2010 (BST)
 
Seems like a good idea, as long as attacks either are more accurate against this person or do more damage. --[[User:Zamins|Zamins]] 00:09, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
Only if you give the zombies an equivelant. Everyone should have an equal amount of playtime. [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:17, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
I'd say zombies currently have more playtime. I mean if a zombie gets killed they can just stand back up for 6 AP. If a survivor gets killed they have to wait at a revive point. Which pretty much takes a day or more to get revived. --[[User:Zamins|Zamins]] 00:28, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
:It's your choice to stand around waiting for a revive, it doesn't however mean that the zombie form should be limited because of that. [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:42, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
Survivors already sleep when they run out of AP. And if they recharge more AP than the usual rate it would go head-to-head with Kevan's [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#50ap rationale] on AP gain. I think you'll have better luck if it just regained HP very slowly (around +1 HP every two hours), and only for non-infected individuals. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:54, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
1: Oh, geeze, I didn't know there was a secret way to not wait for a revive and still be a human. Please do tell us all the secret. 2: Limiting zombies, LIMITING ZOMBIES? How the hell is that limiting zombies? --[[User:Zamins|Zamins]] 09:01, 13 September 2010 (BST)
:By applying unbalanced buffs to one side, the other becomes limited in its capabilities. I want to be able to play my characters equally, no matter which side of the conflict they happen to be on when I log in. [[User:Whitehouse]] 10:07, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
Where can I get one of these magic healing sleeping bags? I want one.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 11:04, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
Ok, So i spend all my ap, go back into my safehouse which is EHB, then i go to sleep in real life, and BOOM almost all my AP is back. This is a terrible idea, you may as well have just suggested we get an increase in AP per half hour instead of masking it behind a sleeping bag.
--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 20:42, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
Unbalanced buffs? Zombies are way more powerful then humans. Zombies spend 6 ap to get up. Although this idea probably isn't the best to balance it, as it is overpowerd. --[[User:Zamins|Zamins]] 02:41, 14 September 2010 (BST)
:Uh huh, and survivors only spend 10AP to put them down, versus 3-4 times that for zambah-ahn-harman agzahn. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 02:50, 14 September 2010 (BST)
 
Fine, back to the drawingboard... {{unsigned|ErichZann}}
:Make it only usable outside buildings and offer an equivalent item/skill to zombies and I might agree with it. Otherwise, I think it creates unbalance (see TheWritingWriter's comment abaove). {{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:25, 13 September 2010 (BST)
 
yawn has been suggested before. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:19, 16 September 2010 (BST)
 
One-sided buff. Should be an equivalent "nap" ability for zombies and dead bodies. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 09:37, 19 September 2010 (BST)
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===Hard Mode===
{|
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
|-
|'''Type:''' Zombie Class
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|'''Scope:''' Zombies
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|'''Description:''' Zombie starts with Brain Rot
|}
====Discussion (Hard Mode)====
 
Theres a good chance these were dupped, but what do you guys think? could add some interesting twists to being a zombie. --[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 00:54, 10 September 2010 (BST)
:I think you should check before you post them, since otherwise you're wasting folks' time. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:19, 10 September 2010 (BST)
 
You could discuss all the classes under one header you know. Anyhow, the problem is that zombies need skills which will help them earn XP at a decent pace. Ransack, Scent Fear, Digestion, Brain Rot, none of those help zombies earn nearly enough XP for the next level. Memories of Life might help, but very rarely. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 01:30, 10 September 2010 (BST)
:[[Suggestion:20071001_Military,_and_Scientist_Zombies%3F|This]] and [[PR_Class_New:_Survivor_%26_Zombie|this]] might interest you, already passed voting. [[User:Whitehouse]] 01:45, 10 September 2010 (BST)
 
I deleted all the previous entries except this one. I kinda like the idea of starting the game with brain rot, adds moar challenge to the game. Sorta like the consumer class.--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 02:32, 10 September 2010 (BST)
:Sounds like an easy multiple character opportunity to clog up revive points all over the city. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 02:34, 10 September 2010 (BST)
: Very easy chance for an asshole to abuse with multis... At the same time, I would have killed to have an alternate zombie class with brain rot, since personally, I like the idea of a harder chance at surviving as a zombie at lower levels. I mean heck, I got all the skills generally considered useless before getting the good skills as my first zombie for the reason of making the game more interesting. If there's a small note attached to it warning people who are new to UD about the effects the class has, (such as... "Hey, this class makes playing as a zombie just a tad bit harder early on, but is great for those who want a bit of a challenge." or something along those lines) then I would be perfectly fine with it. --[[User:Kakashi on crack|Gat]] 00:25, 11 September 2010 (BST)
 
Make it an option for all character classes - start normally, or start w/ brain rot. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:30, 11 September 2010 (BST)
:Perhaps new characters could choose between Corpse (Vigor Mortis) or Rotten Corpse (Vigor Mortis ''and'' Brain Rot). No need to fool new survivors into ruining their lives, amusing as it would be. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 04:37, 11 September 2010 (BST)
 
I think it would be a little overpowered if a zombie started with two skills. I wish there were more zombie classes though, to add a little moar variety.--[[User:TheWritingWriter|TheWritingWriter]] 04:21, 19 September 2010 (BST)
 
Just buy Brain Rot as your first skill. That's arguably harder, given how CR-happy some neighbourhoods are… {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 09:40, 19 September 2010 (BST)
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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

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Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

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Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

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Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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