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= Archive =


* [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Bureaucrat Promotions/Archive|Jun/2006 - Nov/2008 Archive]]
* [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Bureaucrat Promotions/Archive|Archive]]
 
=FAQ=
 
== What is a Bureaucrat? ==
 
A '''bureaucrat''' (AKA ''crat'') is a user with the ability to promote and demote users for sysop and bureaucrat positions. The Urban Dead Wiki mantains two active bureaucrats at all times, with elections occurring every three months to promote a sysop into bureaucrat, filling the position of the one who has least recently had an election.
 
A bureaucrat whose position is being filled can run for reelection, with no limits on how many times a bureaucrat can remain in the position.
 
== Can I become a Bureaucrat? ==
 
Only '''System Operators''' (aka ''sysop'') can become bureaucrats. Users who are part of the Urban Dead Wiki community for a set period of time and which have made a certain number of edits can be promoted to sysop, as long as they get the rest of the community support. For more information on how to become a sysop, read the [[A/PM|sysop promotions page]].
 
System Operators can become bureaucrat if elected by the community. A sysop needs to be active in the previous months of the election in order to run for crat. If he becomes active AFTER the election begun, he will only be able to run for 'crat in the next election.
 
== Can I vote? ==
 
Any user can vote. You can only vote in one candidate per election, and any user who vote more than once will have all their votes stricken.
 
== Can I vote for myself? ==
 
If you are a sysop and eligible for voting, you can vote for yourself.
 
= Talk =
 
To create a new header, simply click the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions&action=edit&section=new + button] in the page actions menu.
 
 
 
== Voting rights change ==
''moved [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Voting Eligibility (2)|here]]''


==Next election ==
==Next election ==
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:'Crats come under default election if they go 12 months without one, so that saves the possibility of 'Crat for life, DCC. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:'Crats come under default election if they go 12 months without one, so that saves the possibility of 'Crat for life, DCC. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


== August 2011 round ==


A note to everyone that the next round will due in a week. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 23:28, 7 August 2011 (BST)


== archive this shit ==


In an unrlrelated note... can someone with sysop powers archive some of the headers from this talk page in their corresping archives ? Like 'boxy's so clever' header should go to the dec 2009 archive... i moved some, but others can has prutectiun --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 00:04, 8 August 2011 (BST)
: thanks mis. Now, if anyone could move the 'next election' section into the general archive, i'd be grateful --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 03:15, 8 August 2011 (BST)
:: Shouldn't jerrels question have gone to April 2010. I know that's marginally unhelpful but I'm not on a copypasta friendly device at the moment. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::: Oops... i blame them booze --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 03:22, 8 August 2011 (BST)
::::Aw, I wanted that kept here as a permanent guideline. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:49, 8 August 2011 (BST)
::::: write the guideline and slap it in the FAQ... simple as that --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 04:38, 8 August 2011 (BST)
::::::Seems it was more of a misunderstanding of the guidelines to begin with. Also, [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Reevaluation_for_Bureaucrats|it's now 8 months]] rather than 12 to prevent crat for life. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::::::: Whatever... i just want this piece of talk from 3 years ago to be archived properly --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 15:05, 8 August 2011 (BST)


== Archive questions ==


Hey RC watchers/interested individuals, is it ok if I move the {{tl|CratPromoArchive}} template so it's at the top of each archived promotion, for consistency? Or would people prefer the bottom? Thanks! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 06:19, 5 April 2013 (BST)
:Never mind, turns out Breadcrumbs makes the bottom template redundant. Will delete. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 06:28, 5 April 2013 (BST)
::I never even noticed that there was a template on the bottom of any. I'd love to see that archive box redesigned though, since it's ugly and huge for how little content it has. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:34, 5 April 2013 (BST)


==Boxy's so clever==
:::WOW, that is fucking ugly as hell {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 12:55, 5 April 2013 (BST)
I just realised, having a name that comes first alphabetically is an amazing tactical ploy. Aaron A. Aardvark is a sure fire winner for the next crat elections. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Any chance we can address [[Template talk:CratPromoArchive|hagnat's]] suggestion and ignore Thad and Mis? Any option is better than what we are using atm ;_; {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 12:58, 5 April 2013 (BST)
:That'd be hilarious. Oh. Except in the last 2 years, 10 or so elections it's happened basically twice, both of which were just Boxy anyway. :/ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Not that I'm implying that most wikizens cant be bothered scrolling. Although it would explain why people aren't voting for SA. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh cmon, we aren't ALL lazy. SA isn't getting a vote because he's a dud op who doesn't bother taking the job seriously anymore. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Demote the cunt <sup>this response stolen from SA</sup> --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Don't say that infront of Read. He will have your head <sup>he's actually the one that 'invented' it</sup> --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, but i stole it from SA who stole it from him. Always pay it forward. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::The system WORKS!!! --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:No wonder [[User:Xoid|Xoid]] left us [[Image:Face-sad.png|20px]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:02 18 December 2009 (BST)</small>
 
Hm, yeas, I'm a dud sysops who doesn't take da job srsly anymore.--[[¯\(°_o)/¯|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> ¯\(°_o)/</span>]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">¯</span>]] 13:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:<3 SA {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 
I do have to say, having a screen name close to the start of the alphabet really is rather nice. It's easy to find your name on lists, to say the least. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe I should change my name. :( --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 19:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Yours is easy to find too. It's just at the other end. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::: :D --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 20:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 
So does this mean that I am the best? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think [[User_talk:Aardvark_Randolf|this guy]] has us beat. Though, coincidentally, his first contribution was made today after this discussion started... {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Probably that 'tard's alt, he knows who I am talking about. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a unique user insofar as much as it does not be matching any ips here. :/ --[[¯\(°_o)/¯|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> ¯\(°_o)/</span>]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">¯</span>]] 23:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Baby Come Back ==
 
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Demotions/Archive#Cyberbob You] can blame it all on me. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:33, 2 April 2010 (BST)


:::I've added another suggestion over there at [[Template talk:CratPromoArchive]]. We should probably move this convo over there. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 15:05, 5 April 2013 (BST)


== jerrel's question ==
==DDR & AHLG==
I would like to know why I can't be Promo'd to ANYTHING!--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 01:29, 12 April 2010 (BST)
With my vote moved from DDR to stelar it would seem that there is a tie. You left too soon Aichon, unless stelar is to decide the outcome. -- [[file:SomethingSomething.gif|link=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Jack's_Inflamed_Sense_Of_Rejection]] 05:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
:Possibly due to your vast inactivity. A sysop is expected to be highly active so as to constantly maintain the wiki's admin tasks, and a bureaucrat is expected to be even more active so as to have a good understanding of the activity levels and reliability of the members of the community. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:33, 12 April 2010 (BST)
:Meh, not actually an issue, since I never gave me own vote and would have done so had I noticed the tie, given that I was online when voting concluded. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
::Indeed. Bureaucrat positions are only available to current sysops, and sysops have to meet certain criteria in order to be promoted to that position. When last you applied for promotion to sysop, you failed to meet the minimum activity requirements in order to be eligible for promotion. While those requirements can be waived in the case of widespread community support, I'm afraid that you didn't appear to have that widespread support at the time. Check the guidelines at the top of these pages and they should explain what's necessary for promotion, in terms of raw objective numbers and other, more subjective, measures. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:49, 12 April 2010 (BST)
::Im just fucking with you. Safe travels, thanks for everything you did here! [[File:bai.gif]] - [[file:SomethingSomething.gif|link=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Jack's_Inflamed_Sense_Of_Rejection]] 05:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
:::I already explain on his talk. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:51, 12 April 2010 (BST)
==Wow. I was eligible==
::::Yes, well...I liked how I said it better. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:56, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Strange times indeed [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  16:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Promotions&diff=1674736&oldid=1674726 Or as I outlined in your last bid.] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:26, 14 April 2010 (BST)
:Yeah it's best you don't get me started on complaining about that policy again. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 22:20, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
:Have you considered the possibility that you're simply a fucking mong? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 15:30, 14 April 2010 (BST)
::+1 --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:01, 13 July 2010 (BST)
:::+2----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 22:54, 3 October 2010 (BST)


== October 2010 Election ==
== Timestamps on votes ==


===None of the Above!===
There is nothing in the "Rules on voting" regarding a valid voting signature requiring a timestamp. It doesn't seem to affect the results, this time, but it's rather uncouth to have hidden rules that will disenfranchise you. --[[User:Starlingt|Starlingt]] ([[User talk:Starlingt|talk]]) 00:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
# Only DDR seems to have a level of activity to suggest being worthwhile, sadly we don't get on so he isn't getting my vote. The rest just don't have enough of a track record so I can't really vouch/vote them. All said and done, I think the candidate selection speaks volumes as to where this place is going..... --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:35, 5 October 2010 (BST)
:My striking was based on my interpretation of "singing" in ''"Users vote for a candidate by signing under the preferred candidate's name"'' as performing the standard signing action, which is equivalent to four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) and consists of the user's signature plus timestamp.
#:We had one much like it a year ago you goose :P [[UDWiki:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions/September_2009]]. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 01:52, 5 October 2010 (BST)
:That said, I've looked back through the last several years of crat elections and found exactly one vote ([http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FBureaucrat_Promotions&diff=2354338&oldid=2354308 one of these two of Revenant's]) that had the name portion of the signature but not the timestamp, and it wasn't struck. (I also found [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions&diff=next&oldid=1991024 a vote that was struck for invalid signature], although it included a timestamp; so signature issues in general are potentially strikeable.) Would love other sop input but am happy to reinstate the votes (one for Gnome and one for DDR, not changing the outcome) if that's the consensus. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 04:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
#I guess I'm gonna have to abstain indefinitely until Aich accepts the position :( -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 01:52, 5 October 2010 (BST)
:You're right. I made an assumption based on other parts of the wiki. Suggestions, Historical votes and Policy votes all have specific voting rules so I assumed this was the same. But the bureaucrat elections don't have them so I've placed the votes back. My apologies. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 14:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
#:I just got an e-mail from a professor informing me that one of my students had complained about the fact that I was slow on grading their essays and was wondering if this were true (it was). When I reflect on how I'm choosing to use my time and arrange my priorities each night as I'm going to bed, I don't think I'll be regretting my decision to refuse additional responsibilities on the wiki for a video game. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:55, 5 October 2010 (BST)
:Certainly timestamps are important. It's clear who's voted for who, so I'd just add the timestamps in (otherwise we may lose that info if we get another history wipe). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
::👍 {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 23:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 23:20, 22 December 2019

Next election

Should be for boxy's slot since he is a mid season replacement for AHLG who was elected BEFORE Cheese. Don't let him slip in as Crat for Life. --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 13:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe the way the policy is worded is that it's the oldest 'crat's bid that gets put up. No reason why Cheese should get an extra long bid because Gnome stepped down.--Karekmaps?! 14:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I think its argued that its the last crat not to have their position voted on, and the election itself was a vote. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
So, if a crat whose position will be up for grabs in the next election is demoted two and half weeks before the end of his term, the crat who gets elected will only keep his position for half a week ? for someone who tries to appear smart, this was a really dumb idea, DCC. The guidelines for bureaucrat election are not hard to understand, and they are pretty clear about whose position will be voted on next time --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 15:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
'Crats come under default election if they go 12 months without one, so that saves the possibility of 'Crat for life, DCC. Linkthewindow  Talk  20:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

August 2011 round

A note to everyone that the next round will due in a week. -- Spiderzed 23:28, 7 August 2011 (BST)

archive this shit

In an unrlrelated note... can someone with sysop powers archive some of the headers from this talk page in their corresping archives ? Like 'boxy's so clever' header should go to the dec 2009 archive... i moved some, but others can has prutectiun --hagnat 00:04, 8 August 2011 (BST)

thanks mis. Now, if anyone could move the 'next election' section into the general archive, i'd be grateful --hagnat 03:15, 8 August 2011 (BST)
Shouldn't jerrels question have gone to April 2010. I know that's marginally unhelpful but I'm not on a copypasta friendly device at the moment. ~Vsig.png 03:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Oops... i blame them booze --hagnat 03:22, 8 August 2011 (BST)
Aw, I wanted that kept here as a permanent guideline. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 03:49, 8 August 2011 (BST)
write the guideline and slap it in the FAQ... simple as that --hagnat 04:38, 8 August 2011 (BST)
Seems it was more of a misunderstanding of the guidelines to begin with. Also, it's now 8 months rather than 12 to prevent crat for life. ~Vsig.png 05:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Whatever... i just want this piece of talk from 3 years ago to be archived properly --hagnat 15:05, 8 August 2011 (BST)

Archive questions

Hey RC watchers/interested individuals, is it ok if I move the {{CratPromoArchive}} template so it's at the top of each archived promotion, for consistency? Or would people prefer the bottom? Thanks! Bob Moncrief EBDW! 06:19, 5 April 2013 (BST)

Never mind, turns out Breadcrumbs makes the bottom template redundant. Will delete. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 06:28, 5 April 2013 (BST)
I never even noticed that there was a template on the bottom of any. I'd love to see that archive box redesigned though, since it's ugly and huge for how little content it has. Aichon 07:34, 5 April 2013 (BST)
WOW, that is fucking ugly as hell A ZOMBIE ANT 12:55, 5 April 2013 (BST)
Any chance we can address hagnat's suggestion and ignore Thad and Mis? Any option is better than what we are using atm ;_; A ZOMBIE ANT 12:58, 5 April 2013 (BST)
I've added another suggestion over there at Template talk:CratPromoArchive. We should probably move this convo over there. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 15:05, 5 April 2013 (BST)

DDR & AHLG

With my vote moved from DDR to stelar it would seem that there is a tie. You left too soon Aichon, unless stelar is to decide the outcome. -- SomethingSomething.gif 05:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Meh, not actually an issue, since I never gave me own vote and would have done so had I noticed the tie, given that I was online when voting concluded. Aichon 05:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Im just fucking with you. Safe travels, thanks for everything you did here! Bai.gif - SomethingSomething.gif 05:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Wow. I was eligible

Strange times indeed RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah it's best you don't get me started on complaining about that policy again. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 22:20, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Timestamps on votes

There is nothing in the "Rules on voting" regarding a valid voting signature requiring a timestamp. It doesn't seem to affect the results, this time, but it's rather uncouth to have hidden rules that will disenfranchise you. --Starlingt (talk) 00:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

My striking was based on my interpretation of "singing" in "Users vote for a candidate by signing under the preferred candidate's name" as performing the standard signing action, which is equivalent to four tildes (~~~~) and consists of the user's signature plus timestamp.
That said, I've looked back through the last several years of crat elections and found exactly one vote (one of these two of Revenant's) that had the name portion of the signature but not the timestamp, and it wasn't struck. (I also found a vote that was struck for invalid signature, although it included a timestamp; so signature issues in general are potentially strikeable.) Would love other sop input but am happy to reinstate the votes (one for Gnome and one for DDR, not changing the outcome) if that's the consensus. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 04:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
You're right. I made an assumption based on other parts of the wiki. Suggestions, Historical votes and Policy votes all have specific voting rules so I assumed this was the same. But the bureaucrat elections don't have them so I've placed the votes back. My apologies. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 14:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Certainly timestamps are important. It's clear who's voted for who, so I'd just add the timestamps in (otherwise we may lose that info if we get another history wipe). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
👍 DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 23:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)