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| ===Flame thrower=== | | ===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast=== |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:SirButcher|HunButcher]] 08:41, 22 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' New weapon | | |'''Type:''' UI enhancement |
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| |'''Scope:''' Human | | |'''Scope:''' Interface |
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| |'''Description:''' This would the human-type infection. Using a fuel can as an ammo (one can could be used 5 times), you could lit up a zombie, losing one HP for every action, until it could extinguish itself for 5 AP. One zombie could lit only once at a time. This weapon could be found in factories, warehouses, power plants. | | |'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked. |
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| Attack accuracy should be around 45% (5% higher than the zombie-s bite attack, as it needs ammo, spending AP for searching.) It don't damage for a successfully hit, and the effect fade out after death.
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| This mostly aim for slowing zombies down a little, as that could wither a siege for a little time as they need to waste some AP.
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| If you successfully lit up a zombie:
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| *{{Udspan|You lit up the zombie. Foul smell of burning flesh fill the air.}}
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| If you are trying to lit up an already burning zombie:
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| *{{Udspan|The zombie is already burning.}} That could waste 1 AP, and a part of the fuel.
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| When the zombie sees it:
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| *{{Udspan|You have been set on fire by *username*. Now you will lose 1 HP for every action.}}
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| When the zombie extinguish itself:
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| *{{Udspan|The burning sensetion of your skin got on your nerve, until you started to roll on the ground. The fire extinguished!}}
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| ====Discussion (Flame thrower)====
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| No. First off, zombies would be unaffected by fire, as their nerves are dead. Secondly, it's unneeded, and the cost to remove it (5AP) wouldn't be used. Zombies would just wait until they died and stand up immediately for 1AP.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 08:44, 22 October 2010 (BST)
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| FUCK YEAH FLAMETHROWERS AND ROCKET LAUNCHERS AND BOMBS AND CARS AND TANKS AND HOLY FUCK A WHALE. No. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:33, 22 October 2010 (BST)
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| :As Mis. Also, I could've sworn flamethrowers were on the Do Not Suggest list, but apparently they're not. Might need to add them... {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:57, 22 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::It falls under military weaponry, I would think, though it's not addressed specifically. --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 00:06, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| Hmmm, as a zombie I love this (cheap stand-up) and as a survivor I love this.. BURN! Still not sure this is worth coding tho! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:47, 22 October 2010 (BST)
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| Here's my spin off:
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| *Flamethrowers cannot be found by searching. Instead, they are, quite rarely, airdropped in [[supply crates]].
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| *They have ten fuel. They can never be refueled, since spare petrol ≠ jellied deflagration formula. Once out of fuel, they're automatically discarded.
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| *They have 50% accuracy, boosted by Basic Firearms Training to 75%.
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| *A successful attack would leave a target ablaze.
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| **Ablaze characters receive ten damage every server reset.
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| **Ablaze characters receive two damage following every action, except speaking.
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| ***All speech is transformed, in a similar manner to death rattling. It would be made all caps, and periods would become exclamation points. Because no one calmly tells you that they're painfully burning to death.
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| ****This takes effect before the zombie speech processor.
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| **If an ablaze zombie grabs hold of a survivor, the survivor is set ablaze.
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| ***This cannot be transferred between zombies.
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| *Characters who are fuel-stained revive 15 damage upon being set ablaze.
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| **If more fuel is splashed on them while ablaze, they will receive an additional 15 damage.
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| *Beer and Wine do 5 damage to ablaze characters.
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| *Ablaze zombies are seen as 'ablaze zombie'. They are split into their own stack, apart from the non-ablaze zombies.
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| *Ablaze survivors have '(ablaze)' added after their name.
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| *Being ablaze is curable only by death.
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| --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 04:50, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| :I like it, but I think that every action a survivor takes while ablaze and in a building should count as a ransack, even if the building is filled with survivors. If the building becomes ruined as a result, everyone is kicked out due to the building collapsing under them, and they all take 20 damage, in addition to being set ablaze. The ruined building is labeled as being ablaze, and can only be put out via weather effects, such as dense fog or snow. Additionally (you didn't think I was done, did you?), zombies who attack barricades of ruined buildings that are ablaze become ablaze themselves. And instead of referring to them as "ablaze zombies" as you suggest, it should say "flaming zombies", just to be clearer. A final detail: headshotting a flaming zombie causes their head to fall off and roll into the nearest non-ablaze building, ruining it instantly and setting it ablaze. Thoughts? Concerns? It's not too overpowered, is it? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:03, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::When the sad day comes and this game finally draws to an end, this is exactly how it should happen. A fire breaks out. It spreads. Every building is ruined and cannot be repaired. The streets are filled with smoke. Resources are no longer available. Every player is eventually burnt to a crisp, never able to stand again. The fire is finally extinguished by when the winter snow returns. All that is left is a wasteland of ash and soot and charred bones. The quarantine is finally lifted but none of Malton's former inhabitants are left to see it. The end.
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| ::And it all started with a flamethrower. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 05:47, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::Ahhh... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs fire]. The best form of entertainment. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 08:50, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| Wow. Suggestor completely forgets to consider how PK'ers will use this. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:33, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| This is already [[PR_Weapon#Flamethrower|Peer Reviewed]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 18:49, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| Doesn't the fuel can+flare gun do this already?--[[User:Mtumbe Ngoube|Mtumbe Ngoube]] 22:36, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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| This isnt suggested already, as I didnt thought about a new weapon like pistol, instaid a weapon that only slow down, but isnt doing any direct damage. --[[User:SirButcher|HunButcher]] 08:35, 24 October 2010 (BST)
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| | | ===Shrink the map=== |
| ===Relentless=== | |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:48, 19 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' New skill | | |'''Type:''' Map change |
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| |'''Scope:''' Zombies | | |'''Scope:''' Everyone |
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| |'''Description:''' Relentless would be a new [[Zombie Skills|zombie skill]], underneath [[Zombie Skills/Ankle Grab|Ankle Grab]]. Zombies with the skill who suffer a headshot have a flat 50% chance of ignoring the effects of it, and being able to [[stand up]] without the additional 5AP cost. | | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
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| This would not be reflected in flavour text given to those who kill the zombie, who would still see the standard "They take a headshot and die" text. However, the zombie with the skill, if it succeeds, will see the following text: | |
| *{{udspan|You took a headshot from Trenchcoat the Zombie Hunter, but your relentless drive kept you going! <small>(10 minutes ago)</small>}}
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| ====Discussion (Relentless)==== | | ====Discussion (Shrink the map)==== |
| :I'd prefer a time mechanic, so if you were shot in the last hour you can ignore it. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:14, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::No, that removes its ability to counter rise tactics. Make it the other way round, the longer you wait the more the headshot damage drains away. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 21:19, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::I like that. Perhaps 5 hours? Twice the time it takes to gain the AP from headshot back, so it wouldn't be the smart decision, but it would be a relief to casual players.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:41, 21 October 2010 (BST)
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| :Yes. Maybe meddle with the %, but chance is in my opinion the best mechanic, applied at time of headshot. Must follow Brain Rot, tho. {{User:Monstah/Sig}} 21:38, 21 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Frenzy=== | | ===Action Points=== |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:48, 19 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
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| |'''Type:''' New skill | | |'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate |
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| |'''Scope:''' Zombies | | |'''Scope:''' Everyone |
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| |'''Description:''' Frenzy would be a new [[Zombie Skills|zombie skill]], unconnected to any skill tree. Zombies with the skill who kill a survivor will, if other survivors are present at the same location (inside the same building if inside, outside in the same block if outside), gain a +10% increase to their claw and bite attacks until, for any reason, there are no more survivors at the same location. This could occur through characters moving away or through all the survivors being killed. This bonus is also lost if the zombie is killed. The +10% ''does'' stack with Tangling Grasp. | | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
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| Upon killing a survivor and gaining the bonus:
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| *{{Udspan|You maul Benito Cereno for 3 damage. They die. You look up from the body in a frenzy.}}
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| Upon attacking with frenzy, without grasp:
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| *{{Udspan|You maul Benito Cereno frenziedly for 3 damage, and grab hold of them.}}
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| Upon attacking with frenzy and grasp:
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| *{{Udspan|Gripping Benito Cereno by the shoulders, you crush them frenziedly for 3 damage.}}
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| Upon losing frenzy due to lack of targets:
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| *{{Udspan|There is no more flesh to gorge on. Your frenzy subsides.}}
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| *{{Udspan|You stand up, your frenzy subsiding.}}
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| ====Discussion (Frenzy)==== | | ====Discussion (Action Points)==== |
| "You look up from the body in a frenzy." Don't like that. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:16, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| :I was in a hurry. King Kong's finger was pointing. "Your hunger drives you into a frenzy"? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:17, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::"The sight of brains...."? I'll go think. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:21, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Tire Iron=== | | ===Drone=== |
| '''Time''' October18/10 {{unsigned|Ltthompson|19:12, 18 October 2010}}
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| '''Type''' New item safe house option
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| '''Scope''' Item Decorations
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| '''Description''' A new melee item and decoration.
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| My idea is a tire iron to find at a carpark especially. Also putting crucifixes up on the walls of safe houses.
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| ====Discussion (Tire Iron)====
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| Tire Irons can already be found in Carparks only they are called Crowbars in the UD universe. Also, you may want to read through [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before adding a developing suggestion. --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 01:51, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Advanced Lab Experience===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 07:15, 18 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' New science skill | | |'''Type:''' Survivor Item |
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| |'''Description:''' It's easier to express the idea with the flavor upfront, here goes: | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
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| :''Memo to NecroTech staff: the usage of NecroNet terminals to revivify specimens with Brain Rot can also be applied on other subjects without it to expedite the revivification process. Expert staff now have '''reduced revivification costs''' when reviving subjects without Brain Rot inside a powered NecroTech building.''
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| Advanced Lab Experience is a new science skill which concerns revives inside a powered NT building. It costs 75 XP for scientists, 100 XP for civilians or 150 XP for military, and requires NecroNet Access as a prerequisite. It works like this:
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| {{udspan|'''Advanced Lab Experience''' - Player only spends 8AP to revive zombies without Brain Rot inside a powered NT building.}}
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| I just thought this could make NT sieges a lot more fun. The invading horde should make sure to keep the generator non-existant at all times, or else they could see up to six revives per survivor per day at 8AP/revive (from the current four at 10 AP/revive) whenever they try a beachhead inside the NT. Another benefit for survivors is that it makes indoor revive points on NTs easier: just drop a genny, fuel it up and you can revive a half dozen zeds in a day.
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| Besides that, outside of powered NT buildings this won't do much really other than a shift to longer NT sieges. And if we could have this skill at a future Blackmore siege I believe it'll be thoroughly entertaining for both sides.
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| ====Discussion (Advanced Lab Experience)==== | | ====Discussion (Drone)==== |
| This won't be popular with zombies and death cultists what with all the extra combat revives on offer here, but I can see a logic behind giving a slight advantage to people fighting on their 'home turf'. However, [[Suggestion:20070827 Hm, this 'Necro Net' has some useful information after all|this idea has already been suggested]] (and passed too). {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 10:48, 18 October 2010 (BST)
| | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
| :Wow, d'oh for me I guess. Even the AP cost is the same. But since it's on peer reviewed already... yayification! --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 12:00, 18 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::I'm just wondering if this sort of idea has been suggested for other classes, such as police or firefighters. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 18:00, 18 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::You mean, like, reduced cost for handcuffing/firehosing a zombie? {{User:Monstah/Sig}} 01:15, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::::Handcuffing a zombie would slow it down for a bit... well, probably for about ten seconds! Or maybe an experienced police officer could lure it down to the firing range. Anyway, as far this was concerned, I guess I was just thinking out loud - after all, surgeons get a boost from working in powered hospitals. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 10:02, 20 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Concentration=== | | ===Backpack=== |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 07:22, 16 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' At the cost of 15AP, one can choose to more heavily concentrate on their attacks. Concentration gives an extra +5% to hit with all types of attacks. Concentration is broken when the player sleeps, dies or idles. | | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| ====Discussion (Concentration)====
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| Good idea or bad? I can see this not only being useful in seiges but also helping newbie survivors. Doesn't seem overpowered to me right off the bat. --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 07:22, 16 October 2010 (BST)
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| Define "sleeps". {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 07:24, 16 October 2010 (BST)
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| :{{udspan|Exhausted, you can go no further.}}--{{User:Vapor/sig}} 07:27, 16 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::Easy. I assume I have a AP cap of 49. I never sleep, my concentration lasts quite awhile. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:41, 16 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::If you were like me, you'd always be playing until you had 1 or 2 AP left, 'cause at 2AP, it only takes 24 hours to get back to 50. I do this because I usually play UD at a certain time, using the extra AP or 2 in emergencies only. But that's just me. As Trips above, I would have this bonus for quite some time. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 17:16, 16 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::::Yeah, I always keep that spare AP just to be able to look around. Besides, even if the suggestion was that the effect ''lasted for 50AP'', I'd still think it's too overpowered. {{User:Monstah/Sig}} 02:39, 18 October 2010 (BST)
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| Seems okay in principle, but I'm not sure about it lasting until you die/sleep. My own personal preference would be a smaller initial cost but having the effect only lasting for ''X'' amount of AP. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 11:06, 18 October 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 05:24, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Description:''' The ankles of another player are attacked, slowing their progress. Moving to adjacent squares costs twice as much AP until player is healed.
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| This would be a new skill under the Lurching Gait skill tree, just below Ankle Grab (for obvious reasons) -or- it would be a skill under the Vigour Mortis skill tree since it is an attack.
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| {{udspan|Your ankle is badly injured. Movement now costs an additional 1 AP.}}
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| ====Discussion (Ankle Bite)====
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| I probably could have thought of a better name but I kept picturing an ankle biting chiuahua and couldn't resist. I'm not terribly dedicated to that name. I think that there should be a 2AP cap, which is to say if you are a zombie without Lurching Gait, your movement will still only cost you 2AP. In fact, maybe death should be a temporary cure for a smitten ankle like infection, only to reoccur when revived.--{{User:Vapor/sig}} 05:24, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| :You know I was considering putting this exact same mechanic up over the weekend, only flavoured as heavy bleeding (with the caveat that entering a building would raise its [[bloodstains]] too). So yeah, I like it. I'd have it as a Vigor tree skill and let it create a new attack with the same to-hit rate and damage as bite, to mirror the 'attack with effects' thing. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 05:27, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::That's an interesting spin on AP damage as well. If the concept of ankle biting zombies is too silly then maybe it could be developed with different flavor. --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 05:40, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| Don't put it into bite, it's already feature-packed as is. Perhaps a claw skill under tangling grasp, which for the purpose of making incredibly bad puns I shall call Ankle Grip.
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| Also the slowly losing points mechanic is getting old, especially if it can be fixed just the same as infection. How about something like a one-time 5 AP cost to break free from a zombie who has ankle gripped a survivor? This could be distressing if you wake up with zombies in your safehouse and you can't get out since one of them really held onto you, you have to either kill them, revive them or spend 5AP in one turn to break free. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:52, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| :That's not a bad idea either. Puts it more in line with Headshot. I like --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 06:30, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| Double movement costs until healed. Simple, doesn't get confused with Infection. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:06, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| :What are the accuracy, damage of this attack? Would it work on fellow zombies? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:08, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::I'm thinking same HRP for infection. Make it a claw attack instead of a bite attack. Clawing has a chance to break ankle. It's either that or keep it as a bite attack and you get a chance to either infect or to bite ankle. I suppose you could even do both. Bite for a chance to infect and then bite again until you bite ankle, meaning someone could limp around infected until they FAK. And yeah since it's basically infection, one could break a zombie ankle. Just don't allow movement costs over 2AP. So if zombie does not yet have Lurching Gait, an injured ankle has no effect.--{{User:Vapor/sig}} 15:51, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::I'd say make it a third attack after claw and bite, not attached to one of those. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:55, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Hibernation===
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 12:58, 13 October 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Type:''' New zombie skill, crossover (survivors can also use it)
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| |'''Description:''' Hibernation is a new zombie skill which takes effect when the player is dead. It costs 100XP, and requires Ankle Grab as a prerequisite. It works like this:
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| {{udspan|'''Hibernation''' - Player spends an extra 4AP to stand up, in exchange for an increased AP recovery rate while dead.}}
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| With the Hibernation skill, the dead body would gain 1AP every 24 minutes instead of 1AP every 30 minutes. It applies to dead bodies from killed survivors and zombies as well as revivifying bodies. When they stand up they have to spend an extra 4AP for a 5AP stand up cost (10AP if headshot), the increased AP recovery stops and they return to the usual 1AP every 30 minutes rate.
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| '''Who is this skill for?'''
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| Basically speaking, nearly everyone. Literally every player in this game is dead at one point or another, and would benefit from a little AP boost while dead so that they could actually do more when they stand up.
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| There is a caveat though: because of the 4AP extra stand up cost, you have to sleep for at least eight hours to break even. Otherwise you'll end up with *less* AP than if you only have Ankle Grab. For this reason [[?rise]] zombies might want to skip the skill altogether, since when they stand up they do it for 5/10 AP instead of 1/6 AP.
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| '''How is this balanced?'''
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| Well I did some very rough math, and while it won't convince anyone who believes tweaking with the AP recovery rate shouldn't be done at all, here it is.
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| The maximum AP count is still 50AP. This is important as it means you can only do up to 50AP worth of actions in a single turn. What's different is that you get to that amount faster when dead.
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| *w/out Hibernation: 50 AP in 25 hours
| | A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies. |
| *with Hibernation: 50 AP in 20 hours
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| However you have to take into account you have to stand up first before you could do, well, anything.
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| *w/out Hibernation: 49 AP in 25 hours (50 AP in 25.5 hours)
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| *with Hibernation: 45 AP in 20 hours (49 AP in 22 hours, 50 AP in 22.5 hours)
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| stand up with Headshot -
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| *w/out Hibernation - 44 AP in 25 hours (50 AP in 28 hours)
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| *with Hibernation: 40 AP in 20 hours (44 AP in 22 hours, 50 AP in 25 hours)
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| All in all, Hibernation allows you to gain the same amount of AP as without Hibernation by three hours less, or a 6 AP advantage. But only if you actually stay dead for nearly a full day, and wait a couple of hours from standing up before spending the rest of your AP.
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| Also of note is that 6AP is the maximum amount you can save with this skill. The shorter you stay dead, the less AP you get from the increased AP recovery rate from Hibernation.
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| *stand up immediately instead of staying dead - behind by 4 AP
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| *2 hours - behind by 3 AP
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| *4 hours - behind by 2 AP
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| *6 hours - behind by 1 AP
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| *8 hours - break even
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| *10 hours - ahead by 1 AP
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| *12 hours - ahead by 2 AP
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| *14 hours - ahead by 3 AP
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| *16 hours - ahead by 4 AP
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| *18 hours - ahead by 5 AP
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| *20 hours - ahead by 6 AP
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| Now to answer the question of how this is balanced: just from the skill alone, it's not. (Then again, if it's ''perfectly'' balanced, why add it to the game at all? :-P) But from the corresponding gameplay changes the players would have to assume if ever they pick up the skill, it could be.
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| Imagine sieges. This skill is favorable to the survivors to a certain extent: zombies with Hibernation would be in a disadvantage if they stand up in less than eight hours as that would mean a net AP loss than if they only had Ankle Grab. They now have to stay dead longer, meaning less zombies would be standing up at any given time and presenting more opportunities for survivors to hold their ground against the horde and defend territory.
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| Revivifying bodies would also benefit from the skill a lot due to the increased AP recovery rate, leading to quicker (or at least stronger) reinforcements for survivors.
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| For zombies, it serves as a counter to Headshot if they nap in the dirt long enough and stand up just as you reach 50 AP. Even more so if you are into negative AP, perhaps from a previous headshot or bellowing too hard; from -15 AP you can get back to 50 AP in about 26 hours.
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| That's about it. This suggestion got a bit longer than I would like, but I think it's an interesting mechanic to say the least.
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| ====Discussion (Hibernation)==== | | ====Discussion (Backpack)==== |
| This breaks one of the golden rules mentioned on the [[Suggestions_Dos_and_Do_Nots#AP.2C_Inventory.2C_Skills.2C_and_Barricades|Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] - leave your own AP alone. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 15:31, 13 October 2010 (BST)
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| :I always thought of Ankle Grab as a +9 AP boost to dying. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 15:49, 13 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::Ah, but Kevan's allowed to do that cos he's the [[Church of Kevan|Lord and Creator of Malton]] ☺ {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 16:20, 13 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::The difference there (and with Gait) is that it changes the cost of something, rather than changing the recharge rate, which is bad territory. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 16:30, 13 October 2010 (BST)
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| :Don't Ankle Grab and Scout Safehouse do so, too? Anyway, I like this. I'd even risk saying I'd like it better if it were my previously undefined XP-spending skill. 5 XP instead of 4 extra AP, anyone? Or in addition? {{User:Monstah/Sig}} 23:30, 13 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::The problem with any XP burning skill is that some players just have too much of them. To provide them any sort of gameplay-altering capability might as well lead to a virtually permanent buff to those players.
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| ::For example, if Hibernation only requires 5 XP and no extra AP loss, those players can stand up with full AP in 20 hours. They can very easily recover the 5 XP with the AP boost from dying. Now if you put both a 5 XP and a 4 extra AP loss for Hibernation, then low-level players would find the skill has a very high penalty to use and still only high-level players will bother to learn it. See what I'm getting at? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 09:02, 14 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::Yes, I see what you mean. The way I think, tho, these skills ''are'' designed for high-level players, tho maybe not as much as headshot, which ''requires'' level 10. These skills, on the other hand, would certainly ''disencourage'' lower level characters, but not barr them. I'd rather see both the 5 XP and 4 AP cost, tho. {{User:Monstah/Sig}} 19:24, 14 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::::You can't have skills designed [[Frequently_Suggested#XP_Wastage|just for high level players]]. Headshot is an anomaly as to why it's there in the first place, but don't use it to justify breaking the game even more. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:25, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| Aside from the issues already raised, there is one other problem: you should always give the players a choice if they're going to be doing something potentially detrimental to themselves. Since this is a passive skill (i.e. you always hibernate once you buy the skill), they have no way to "turn it off" if they want to later, meaning that they are stuck with less AP permanently if they play the game as most people do by logging on once a day at the same time (previously, they'd start with 47 each day, now they start with 45 each day). And it's even worse for the casual players that don't log on once a day (previously they'd start with 49, now they start with 45). Without the ability to revoke the option somehow, a complicated and ''very situational'' mechanic like this is not a good idea. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:56, 14 October 2010 (BST)
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| :I just considered a time-based mechanic like this where you have to log back in and check on your character in a specific timeframe otherwise you would be in a disadvantageous situation would work for a browser game like UD; with this skill, you have to stand up between eight to twenty hours to get the additional AP or else you end up with less AP. Apparently it's something the players appreciate and frequently come back for, getting rewards with associated risk. And it's something exploited in other browser games too like Farmville (you have to farm your crop by this hour or it dies, etc). --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 08:24, 14 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::Facebook is a different beast entirely, since people log on there for other reasons and then play Farmville while they're there (or else they go into Farmville knowing full well what to expect in terms of things like this). UD, however, does not revolve around mechanics like this, so adding one now that cannot be revoked later is a bad idea. I don't think players would appreciate the choice being forced on them permanently once they purchase the skill, since most of them wouldn't understand what they were getting into (for instance, my initial thought when reading the first parts of the suggestion was that it would somehow be optional with each death to deal with exactly what I'm talking about, but, obviously, that's not exactly feasible either). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:27, 14 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::Didn't we have [[April_Fools#2008|Facebook Dead]] a couple of years ago? :-) But yeah, I guess this does have a big downside to it that the skill description alone is not enough for the players to realize its full ramifications. Maybe it should have a warning before purchase like Brain Rot... though that might make the zombie skill tree more intimidating to navigate if there are warnings all over the place. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:25, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| ==Suggestions up for voting==
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| ===Manhandle 2.0===
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| Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20101019 Manhandle]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Lower HP by 20===
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| Moved to [[Suggestion_talk:20101015_Lower_HP_by_20]] --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 13:02, 15 October 2010 (BST)
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| ===Spreading Infection===
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| Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20101011 Spreading Infection]] --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 18:07, 11 October 2010 (BST)
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