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| ===Shout=== | | ===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast=== |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' {{User:Vapor/sig}} 17:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Survivor Skill | | |'''Type:''' UI enhancement |
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| |'''Scope:''' Survivors | | |'''Scope:''' Interface |
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| |'''Description:''' | | |'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked. |
| Shout is the survivor equivalent to the Zombie skill Feeding Groan. When a building's barricade level reaches Lightly or below, survivors are able to shout into the streets, beckoning survivors up to 4 blocks in any direction to aid with building defense.
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| '''Skill Tree and Cost:''' Shout is a subset of the Civilian skill Construction and costs 100XP for all survivors.
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| *{{udspan|You have no reason to shout. (There there is no immediate threat to this building.)}} (Barricades above Lightly Barricaded)
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| *{{udspan|You shout in astonishment.}} (Lightly Barricaded) - 2 block radius
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| *{{udspan|You shout loudly into the streets.}} (Loosely Barricaded) - 3 block radius
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| *{{udspan|You shout alarmingly into the streets.}} (Doors secured or wide open) - 4 block radius
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| *{{udspan|You heard a loud commotion from inside the building.}} (If the shout comes from your current location)
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| *{{udspan|You heard loud shouting X blocks to the <direction>.}}
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| | | ====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)==== |
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| Another variation of Shout would be more similar to feeding groan and is available only when faced with a horde of zombies. I looked through suggestion portal and didn't find this one but pardon if it is a dupe. I think this would help with some of the survivor disorganization issues. It's a non-meta way of getting specific information to other survivors and unlike firing flares, shout leaves no guessing as to what's going on in the surrounding area. Flares can be used in ANY situation and does not deliver specific (or even valuable IMO) information {{User:Vapor/sig}} 17:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :Won't the zombie hear this as well? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| ===Fireman's Carry=== | |
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wayson|Wayson]] 00:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | | |'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Survivor Skill | | |'''Type:''' Map change |
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| |'''Scope:''' Move people outside of buildings inside them | | |'''Scope:''' Everyone |
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| |'''Description:''' Currently, zombies can drag people out of buildings into the street, where babah zambahz can chow down on fresh bra!nz. That's excellent, but as a survivor it <s>always</s> sometimes sucks to see one of your mates dragged out as an appetizer. At present, all you can do is slap a FAK on him and hope that he logs in before it's too late. But in a real zombie apocalypse, would you be content with putting a bandage on your friend and then leaving him in the middle of a shamblin' crowd of cannibals? Of course not! That would be plain mean. | | |'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase. |
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| Getting serious, what I propose is a mechanic whereby survivors can carry, pull, drag, or otherwise move unconscious survivors into buildings. The mechanic would only be available if the individual in question was standing directly outside the building. (Presumably he was dragged out, but maybe he's just stupid or doesn't have free running.) This would involve a more-than-usual AP cost, such as 5 or 10 AP.
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| There is an issue that I can think of immediately, and that's the problem of this skill being used to circumvent free running. On the one hand, any problems could be avoided through the simple expedient of having cades greater than VSB++ negate the use of this skill. But on the other hand, it could be also be avoided by having the carrying player 'toss' the unconscious survivor over the barricade, while he himself remains outside and needs to negotiate his own way back to safety. Needless to say, I favor the second suggestion.
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| At present a mechanic similar to this suggestion already exists; in Forts, survivors have the option to dump bodies outside of the gatehouse, in effect 'dragging' corpses over multiple blocks. Obviously doing the same thing for survivors (dragging over multiple blocks) would be a case of Pied Piper Skills, which would be bad. Reiterating, the Fireman's Carry would only function if the target was directly outside the building.
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| Other names for this could be 'Helping Hand' and so on. I envision it falling under the Civilian skill-set, with Bodybuilding as a prerequisite. (People are heavy! You think some shrimpy survivor is going to carry someone to safety? Nu-uh.)
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| In closing, it should be obvious to everyone that the greatest weapons survivors have are coordination and teamwork. We need to heal and revive our people, we need to hide behind barricades and repair ruined buildings, and we need to communicate and watch each others backs. This skill would flow directly from those principles.
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| ====Discussion (Fireman's Carry)==== | | ====Discussion (Shrink the map)==== |
| Feeding Drag is one of the skills that should never, under any circumstances, be neutured. Its greatest use is for feeding babahz, and that's a difficult task to accomplish. Hurting it only hurts new players. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| [[PR_Skill_New:_Survivor:_Civilian#Fireman.27s_Carry_.28Bring_12HP_Survivor_Indoors.29|Peer Reviewed]] already. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :Didn't see that (and I did look), but no wonder! It was last peer reviewed in 2006. I'd say that four years entitles me to another review? --[[User:Wayson|Wayson]] 00:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Nope. It'll be used as a dupe link until you make noticeable changes in your suggestion to make it "different" than the given dupe. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :::That is silly and mindlessly bureaucratic. But this this <i>is</i> the UD wiki so I'm not sure what else I was expecting. The suggestion will stand unaltered, as I believe that it has merit and that four years is sufficient time to raise the point again. In response to Misanthropy, I don't believe that it substantially neuters Feeding Drag. It's a race between survivors to save one of their own, and zombies to eat that same individual. The babahz still have the opportunity to feast... they just need to be prompt about it. --[[User:Wayson|Wayson]] 00:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Organisation isn't often the forte of new players. You're essentially comparing "need to gain a foothold in the game" with "need to not die and mrh for a revive", when one is a greatly more pressing concern. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::You can leave it unaltered, but I'm telling you now, the dupe vote will stand, regardless of how long ago it was. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::Misanthropy: I agree, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. When writing this, I had in mind situations where every survivor counts and needles are scarce, for example during smaller sieges (the only kind where survivors have a chance) or when rebuilding destroyed suburbs. <br>Axe: what sort of noticeable changes would you recommend? In the end, this suggestion boils down to 'move unconscious survivor into building'. I don't really know how else to put that. --[[User:Wayson|Wayson]] 01:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| IMO, the peer reviewed (and this) version both have a huge flaw in terms of flavor; the guy who got dragged out can't simply be carried back in, because zombies would be swarming all over him. This is true in EVERY zombie movie. I'd say each zombie outside has a 50% chance of blocking the use of fireman's carry; two zombies would thus block for a net 75%, three for 87.5%, four for 93.75%, 5 for 96.875%, etc. Basically, any sizable swarm would make such rescue very unlikely (or at least very effort intensive) due to its costing an unpredictable but large number of AP to do so. Remember, zombies can NOT just drag survivors outside for 1 AP; first they have to bring down the barricades and than take that survivor below 12 HP. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :I kind of like this idea as a parachuter's buff. Imagine you have 10 players outside an EHB building. 9 survivors and one zombie. Zombie infects all survivors and lowers their health. One survivor spends all their AP dumping bodies over the cades. 8 infected players die inside, stand for 1AP each, kill everything and ransack. It would be great. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 14:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 08:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022 |
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| |'''Type:''' Zombies | | |'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate |
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| |'''Scope:''' helping newb zeds, hordes | | |'''Scope:''' Everyone |
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| |'''Description:''' When a zombie witnesses a death of a harman, why should the last hit get the XP? | | |'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this. |
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| I'm thinking a small XP payoff should be given to zombies in the vicinity of survivor that dies. So far, I'm thinking of three versions of this suggestions:
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| #2 or 3 XP payoff for all zombies who witness the death of a survivor, regardless of whether they attacked the survivor or what skills they have.
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| #5XP bonus for survivors who you manage to hit '''before they die''' (you'd only need to land one decent hit for it to register, and the survivor would need to have not done any action between when you hit him and when he dies)
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| #5XP bonus for a zombie who has [[Scent Fear]] (maybe [[Scent Trail]]?) and witnesses a death. Flavour could be that the zombies now take a keen interest in wounded/dying survivors and now take notice of the deaths and the way they are dying, remembering a bit more with each death they witness.
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| being a zombie is cool, but it's a bitch and a half to get that XP as a newb. This also re-inforces awesome horde tactics. Let's bring em back, boys.
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| ====Discussion (Zombies get small XP bonus for witness survivor slayings)==== | | ====Discussion (Action Points)==== |
| I like 2 and 3. 2 because it would stop peeping toms just going around and watching deaths to level up. (e.g. Major seige - 100 survivors die, 5 skill levels gained by standing there). 3 I like less, for the reason mentioned above, but it makes more sense with flavour.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3}} 08:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :Go with #1 and keep it down to 1XP, to avoid zambahz jumping up several levels in a night just by being a mall siege. #2 is a beast to keep track of, while #3 helps mostly zambahz who have already some levels under their belt. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 12:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| Reduce the gain of nr 1 or drop it entirely, don't give stuff away for free. Reduce nr 2 to the last survivor the zombie hit, current version encourages attacking multiple targets instead of focusing on a single target. Reduce the gain of nr 3. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 12:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| <nowiki>#</nowiki>2 undermines another skill (Tangling Grasp), by encouraging people to break other's grasps. Plus, it'd make for some new tactics that I find to be a bad idea (zombies getting resurrected and healing each other repeatedly for the sole purpose of feeding as baby zeds as possible). #3 is overpowered, I'd say. #1 doesn't seem ''too'' bad, but I still can't get past the fact that it makes strike teams even further and away the best source for XP for a newbie zed. Newbie zeds should have new feral options to level, not new horde options, since the horde options are already strong enough. And, as others have pointed out, the idea of gaining an entire level by doing nothing but standing indoors during a mall siege is not a good thing. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| I'd perhaps give it a limit to when it stops taking effect - perhaps Memories of Life becomes the "off switch" that stops zombies gaining this XP. That stops it being an endless source of XP so you can keep the payout decent. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 17:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| I think a simpler solution would be to allow zombies who do not have digestion to gain XP by feeding on dead bodies. 1 XP per feeding would work. If you witness a survivor being killed... well, there's a fresh body to eat, right? But this is better, since you don't have to actually be there.<br>Helps feral newbies a lot more than simply getting xp for seeing a survivor die would, and gives those non-vigor-mortis zombies a way of earning XP semi-reliably by "cleaning up" after combats, comparable to unskilled survivors getting XP for dumping dead bodies or healing people. Hell, I'll probably take that direct to suggestions. Only problem I can see is it would decrease the pool of edible bodies avaialble for zombies whop do have digestion, as dead survivors are likely to chow down. Then again, almost anything that encourages survivors to try an earn XP as zombies seems a good thing in my book. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| :I'm with others above. # 2. That's the direction I would go when suggesting.
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| :{{@|swiers}} That suggestion would need a bit more work before it would pass I think. It sounds good but there are a couple of problems and I don't want to spam DDR's DS. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 04:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 04:05, 30 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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| |'''Type:''' Flavor/Building Status Indicator Change | | |'''Type:''' Survivor Item |
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| |'''Description:''' I've been thinking lately, which is always a problem and never bodes well for the future. The first stage in this unfortunate process brought to my attention the fact that although zombies outside a ruined building get a vague notion of how long it's been ruined ("very long time", "some time", etc.), when they're inside there's no similar indication. So I thought "if we got that, that'd be a nice change", but given the troublesome nature of my thought processes, I couldn't leave well enough alone. I then got to thinking "but it makes sense that we probably shouldn't get that in <i>darkened</i> buildings", because in the dark you really can't tell how messed up things are or how long it's been that way. And then another realization set in, which is that the same basic concepts should apply to survivors somehow. So I propose that you shouldn't find out the exact AP cost to raise a darkened building until you light the place up, and shouldn't get an interior description of the ruination level of the building until you can actually see what's around you. Just estimate from the exterior description like zombies do. | | |'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use. |
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| So the sum of what I'm suggesting here is this, though some of the effects for humans might be already implemented and I'm just too perpetually zombified to realize it:
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| 1. Zombies should get some vague indication of duration of ruination status inside as well as outside <i>except</i> in darkened buildings.
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| 2. Humans should have to install a genny in a darkened building <i>before</i> they find out the exact AP cost to repair it or get an indication of duration of ruination status on the inside.
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| Also, Simon says take a shot or chug a beer every time someone posts the word "buff" or "nerf" in response to this suggestion. Ready... Set... Go!
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| ====Discussion (Interior Description Mod)==== | | ====Discussion (Drone)==== |
| Welcome back Necro. [[Decay]] levels in building change based on time. Its more vague than the outside, but it exists. How would you change the messages. Im pretty sure survivors can't see repair coast until dark buildings are repaired. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:12, 30 October 2010 (BST)
| | Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
| :Yeah, I'll confirm this. There's no clear cost until the place is lit. Dark buildings: the bane of repairers everywhere. And while I'm here *Nukes the suggestion just for the lols*
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| :Since that won't be accepted, I'll say here that it's a good idea. I personally like it, adds a bit of atmosphere to the game. I mean, you aren't going to walk into a ruin and not notice that it's trashed :) {{User:Shadok/sig}} 12:22, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| :Why thank you, Ross. It must be pretty vague indeed, I didn't even realize it exists, but I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention. I tried to look up whether survivors could see repair costs in darkened buildings, but the Wiki pages I checked for Ruins and Decay didn't seem to mention it specifically. Anyway, guess that renders the whole thing moot.--Necrofeelinya 12:25, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| Y'know, I remember a time when you were pretty much guaranteed a rapid if not at all satisfactory response on this page... Geez... Fine, I'll do it myself... Buff! Nerf! Buff! Nerf! Buff! Nerf! Buff! Nerf! Buff! Nerf! Stagger to your feet and start cooking something but then pass out and wake up to the sound of the fire alarm as the room fills with smoke, take it off the heat, chuck it in the sink and open the windows and pass out, wake up late the next day to the sound of your obnoxious neighbors chatting loudly about their various illegal behaviors just outside your apartment door! Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary!--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 12:19, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| :{{*}}Downs ten cans of beer* --16:58, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| The way I see it, this suggestion buffs the zombies all to hell when what they really need is a nerf. Except in those areas they need buffs, because they need to be buffed, buffed, buffed right up if you ask me in lots of ways. But mainly they need nerfs. Survivors needs nerfs too...NERF GUNS! But that'd be a zombie buff if all of the survivors had to use nerf guns, but it'd also nerf the trenchiness of some trenchies, so that'd buff intelligent players, which is always a good thing. Who woulda thought you could buff players by literally nerfing them? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:50, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| I have one question about this suggestion: How much nerf could a buff nerf buff if a nerf buff nerf got buff?--[[User:E Gadus|E Gadus]] 22:35, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| :{{*}}Counts all the nerfs and buffs in both Aichon and E Gadus's posts, then adds two for his own* *Downs 23 cans of beer* For all I know, I might have miscounted. >_< --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:39, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| :42! {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:43, 30 October 2010 (BST)
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| |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 12:53, 28 October 2010 (BST) | | |'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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| |'''Description:''' '''Setup Clinic:''' Setting up a clinic costs 30AP and grants the ability to heal at the cost of 5AP without a First Aid Kit and the ability to diagnose infections within the building, until the player dies or the building is ruined. Can only be used in a powered hospital, is mutually exclusive with Scout Safehouse | | |'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP). |
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| | A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away. |
| No healing for harmanz without FAKs (or beers or wines). Limited resources are one of the defining weakspots of them that should never be undercut. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 13:04, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| :You realise you are only arguing semantics, said "limited resources" are determined by search rate which for FAK's in a hospital is 18.9%, therefore 5ap would be spent searching. So it would in effect only increase said search rates to 25% for that single hospital after 30ap is spent. So the real net gain would be a 16.5% healing efficiency or 10ap per day devoted solely to the provess of healing, if the only thing you did was heal. -- [[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 13:31, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::Limited resources are not just APs. (That's a limitation that holds true for both survivors and zombies.) The real bottleneck for harmanz is encumbrance. A doctor who hasn't to fill his backpack with FAKs, but can spread out at will into guns, needles, genniefuels or toolkits is at a massive advantage. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 13:45, 28 October 2010 (BST) | | Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point? |
| :::So 3ap to make a FAK would be better in your opinion? -- [[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 13:55, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| Scout Safehouse is already a big ol' bag of gack. Don't try specialising it more. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:19, 28 October 2010 (BST)
| | A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies. |
| :Scout Safehouse is pretty much a mallrat skill and it's a military skill, personally I would like to see more science skills and anything that makes less use of malls is an awesome thing IMHO. -- [[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 00:32, 29 October 2010 (BST)
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| In addition to agreeing with everything the others have said so far, I also don't think it makes in-game sense. Scout Safehouse makes sense, since it's you memorizing the location well enough that you can move through it more quickly than others can. If you set up a clinic, however, everyone should be able to take advantage of it. I've never once heard of a clinic that only one person could see and use. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:48, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| :My response to that argument is simply "Ankle Grab". Or Free Running or Flesh Rot. Whilst I don't like this suggestion, it's hardly unique in making no sense flavour-wise. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:27, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::I don't follow. All of those make in-game sense. Zombies learn to grab their ankles to get up faster (okay, so the mechanic makes no sense, but whatever). Survivors learn how to free run out of necessity. Zombies develop Flesh Rot after an extended period of time. I'm not tracking the difficulty with those. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:34, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::Free Running is ''not'' that thing The Tick does to get around rooftops, it's just a sort of urban sport. Using it to leap from building to building makes no sense. With Flesh Rot, rotting further should make penetration easier (though it could be argued that endurance is enhanced through rotted nerves but it's not explained this way). And with Ankle Grab, no amount of grabbing at my own ankles gets my ass up faster, and it works without others around so it's not about grabbing someone else's. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:38, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| ::::See, I envision Ankle Grab as when you're on your back and grab onto your legs, then rock/roll forward onto your feet before standing up. And I know what Free Running is, but I'm thinking about it more in terms of these buildings being tightly packed (hence the lack of streets) and relatively low to the ground, meaning that you could do stuff like jump between them easily (without being The Tick) or even wall jump a bit to get into places. And Flesh Rot was something I always saw as producing a calloused, somewhat hard crustiness as a byproduct of the rot, kinda like chitinous scabs covering the zombies. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:43, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| :::::Maybe my imagination's borked. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:45, 28 October 2010 (BST)
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| :How would you flavour the idea? (cause clearly you are not talking mechanics) Tho you speak like we have label makers and other ways to organize things so no one else will have to learn how you organized everything. -- [[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 00:32, 29 October 2010 (BST)
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| Moved to [[Suggestion talk:20101019 Manhandle]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 19 October 2010 (BST)
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