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=Suggestions=
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
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|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible.  Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience.  In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
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===Shrink the map===
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|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Soul kai|Soul kai]] 13:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' weapon
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' zeds humans
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|'''Description:''' beer bottles can be set on fire and thrown for 1 ap does 3 hp damage if petrol fluid is on zed 1hp lose for 3 turns
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
in those turns zed gains 1 extra damage point to claw attacks till fire dies in 3 turns making it even gotta be fair on the zeds
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===Drone===
 
 
 
 
===Barricable Streets===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Minothor|Minothor]] 19:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Barricade Change
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' The ability to barricade the sides of a block (North, East, West, South) to create walled off sections of the city would allow for survivor colonies, unrestricted by free running.<br />
|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
(For Kevan and coders)<br />
One way I can imagine this being possible would be an array of 4 tiny-ints [N,E,W,S] in the database entries, corresponding to existing barricade levels.<br />
So for example [0,0,0,9] would result in "The streets to the South have been very strongly barricaded"
This is merely a suggestion and there's probably a more efficient way of implementing it.<br />
'''Advantages:''' The ability to effectively wall off multiple blocks to create a barricaded region as opposed to a single building. Baricades could also be used to help control zombie movements.<br />
'''Balancing:''' Barricaded regions would have the same risks as barricades on malls, forts, manors etc. Any breach in the walls would allow zombies to spill into the area and overrun the inside. Especially since each side would be treated as an individual barricade, blocks on the corner of a region would have two faces that require rebuilding.<br />
In addition to this, larger regions would have a larger perimeter that needed patrolling and maintenance making defense more difficult.
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'''Against.''' Because we can all agree that zombies need an even harder life and trenchies need more things to fuck up. --[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 20:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
'''Against.''' AP is maxed out at 50. Even with all possible skills excluding brain rot, I typically blow through about 75% just repairing and barricading a building to EHB. Besides, It's been about seven years since the quarantine. Any "survivor colonies" have already been long-since established. --{{User:TheBardofOld/Sig}} 20:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:'''Re:''' In Response to both discussion points, the main aim of this would be to provide dynamic hot zones.<br />Zombies would be attracted to barricaded regions with the promise of tasty collections of living inside and survivors would be attracted by the promise of safety in numbers and space to move freely. Also, agreed, as an individual player, building/destroying barricades is a hassle but as numbers grew, maintainance would be easier and the promise of safety/food (as applicable) would be more tantalising.<br />The Mall Tours show what can be achieved by zombies in significant numbers.<br />This would allow the security of regions to become a balancing act of Human and Zombie numbers. It encourages the populations to clump together and work collectively.<br />It's not an impossible stretch of the imagination to picture various human groups alone forming proxy police and criminal elements within these regions. Urban Dead is effectively a hotbed of emergent gameplay after all.<br />What this suggestion would do is effectively add another tool for players to work together and against each other. --[[User:Minothor|Minothor]] 21:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />


You're thinking too small. This wouldn't be used to create protected zones. This would be used (whether intentionally or not) to create ''roadblocks'' that would either have to be navigated around or broken through at the cost of dozens of AP. As a result, most zombies will simply walk around them while they are able to, but eventually the walls would just appear all over the place and start connecting together (after all, it costs far less AP to build them than to take them down), making it miserable for anyone to walk around outside, be they newbie survivor, career zombie, or just a survivor trying to reach an RP. Meanwhile, veteran survivors could easily free run over the barricades, allowing them to travel extremely rapidly in comparison to the hordes. The concept is an interesting one, but I don't see any way it could feasibly be made to work in the game. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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:'''Re:'''You have a good point, they would effectively be a zoning tool but their strength would still lie in creating a protective region. One which as you say, would either have to be built up over time, possibly trapping some zombies within their walls, changing little, or, built in incremental rings out from buildings.<br />On the revive points though, They'd presumably be set up on the outskirts of these regions, crewed by more experienced players free-running over the barricades. I've also realised an error in my working out, a TinyINT value in a database is 0 to 9, single digits only, this would limit barricades to VS+1 --[[User:Minothor|Minothor]] 21:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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::You're still thinking in terms of zones, patrols, stationary survivors, and people behaving rationally, rather than as a mob. I'm suggesting that a survivor doesn't need to do that at all, nor do they behave that way. If I spend 5AP building a wall, I can put up 7-8 every day that will each cost around 20AP to tear down for zombies. As such, almost all of the zombies will choose to go around the walls, meaning that I'm free to keep putting them up and connecting them together. As a result, it's ''inevitable'' that the entire city will be covered in walls in no time at all as a result of trenchcoaters, making it impossible to navigate the city. Zombies will have to spend two day's worth of AP just to break through a wall so that they can move a single block, while survivors will be able to repair that wall with less than a day's AP. Besides that, sieges will never happen since zombies won't have any mobility at all. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


I don't see how that makes the game ''more fun''. Mostly, it will just make moving about more ''frustrating'' for everyone, as even survivors need to get outside occassionally (revival, island buildings, travelling). Those roadblocks are also most likely to spring up in green zones where survivors know nothing better to do with their excess AP, making them even more frustrating areas as they already are.<br>Furthermore, I could see them getting abused as griefing tools, as someone gets PKed, and the griefer sets up roadblocks on the outside squares between the dumped body and the nearest RP. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
: '''+1'''. Clear description, what is wrong with this suggestion: can easly turn into griefing tool. Other than that I think UD needs less barricading, not more. Low level survivors and zombies have hard time enough as it is. --[[User:Labla|Labla]] 22:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
'''Super For''' Barricade strafing for all.  I hate only being able to tear down cades on empty buildings, I wanna do it in the street, too. --<sub>[[User_talk:Kirsty_cotton|<span style="color: lightgrey">K</span>]]</sub> 23:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


Just so you know, it's extremely difficult to get support for any proposal that either 1) increases the amount of barricading in the game; 2) decreases mobility; or 3) helps the survivor cause. Yours does all three. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 01:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?


I'd like to reiterate that this sounds like a major pain in the ass for everyone who is not a trenchie.
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.
1) If you have ever, ever played as a zombie, you know damn well how hard barricades are to take down as it is, just for the *possibility* of killing survivors and ruining a building. Now imagine you have to take them down every fucking day just to '''walk somewhere.''' HEEEEELL no! No one is going to fucking bother with fighting over these barricades and going all "hot zone" and shit, because I absolutely guarantee you it won't be worth it to have to bother with the arduous task of bringing down two, three, or four times more barricades merely to get to your target just because some survivor had nothing good to do. I would rather ''quit'' the game than have to deal with these as a zombie.<br>
2) In addition, your "balancing" is not only illogical, it's also completely, I might even say perfectly, ass-backwards.


"Barricaded regions would have the same risks as barricades on malls, forts, manors etc."- No it doesn't. Streets don't need to be held for survivor resources or shelter. '''Zombies''' are the ones who need empty streets, to walk through. Survivors can just free run over these, so survivors aren't being restricted at all. Survivors don't fucking sleep in the streets, they don't have resources in the streets, and FR means they aren't restricted. They basically get an extra fucking line of defense.


"Any breach in the walls would allow zombies to spill into the area and overrun the inside." Okay, so the horde overruns the inside of a STREET. Big fucking deal. They just moved A SINGLE STEP at the cost of a lot of AP. WOW WHAT A HUGE GAIN FOR ZOMBIEDOM. Again, nothing of fucking value gained for the zombie, while the survivors sit back in their TRPs.
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?


"Especially since each side would be treated as an individual barricade, blocks on the corner of a region would have two faces that require rebuilding. In addition to this, larger regions would have a larger perimeter that needed patrolling and maintenance making defense more difficult." So? Again, there is nothing to be gained for the zombies. A line of barricades in just one direction will still keep out zombies perfectly well, and it doesn't take much AP to get cades up to VSB. And in green burbs, you can bet your ass all four directions are going to be caded up to max 24/7. What kind of logic is this? Seriously.
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


3) This is going to also screw all hell out of noob survivors and zombies alike, who spend a *lot* of time on the streets. Why not also make them do the hokey pokey for 25 AP every single fucking day? Would have the same effect. <br>
4) Finally, I'd like to point out that this is insanely easy to abuse via zerging, which '''alone''' should kill this suggestion stone-dead on the spot. Thank you very much.--[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 03:25, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
:'''Re:'''RadicalWhig, while I was happy to respond to your first comment, I have no patience for anyone choosing not to use even a modicum of common decency and politeness in discussion. You have raised some valid concerns but the general tone and attitude of this post is idiotic, purile and frankly doesn't merit being spoken by a five year old acting like a complete cunt, let alone someone older.--[[User:Minothor|Minothor]] 15:22, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
::I'll take off my troll hat for a minute.  Lemme tell you why you are getting the response you did: it is a piss-poor idea.  That's not me being an ass, that is simply the truth.  I understand where you are coming from, but you are saying: hey I got this great idea, but for it to work everyone needs to only use it the way I say they should.  That doesn't happen.  Don't have an idea and then throw it out for massacre, have an idea then try to figure how some asshole could use it to ruin someone else's experience.  Then when you present it and someone throws up some idea you never thought of you can modify until you get something workable.  However, this idea was not put to any type of rigor, you didn't say how could someone break this; you said if everyone would just do it the right way, it would work.  Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but you are going to get shit if it appears your idea had little of no forethought to how it could be abused.  If you aren't willing to spend the time on your idea, why should anyone else?  --<sub>[[User_talk:Kirsty_cotton|<span style="color: lightgrey">K</span>]]</sub> 01:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Alright, I will ''politely'' explain this to you, minnie.  You talk about barricading in way you like, way you think thing happens. You think all other man do thing this way. Then there is way thing really will happen, which not your way. You still insist thing happen your way, because you look thing like good survivor look at thing. But good survivor not only man in game. There is man called trenchie, man called trenchie will do bad thing with barricading. There is man called griefer, griefer do bad thing with barricading. There is man called zombie, zombie no like extra barricade, make them very mad. There is man called noob, noob no like barricade at all. And there is thing called streets, streets no very important, but you say like is very important. But thing is not like what you say. When you look careful at thing, thing make trouble because not every man do thing exactly like you say. Also because more barricade no big risk to survivor when zombie always have much big trouble with barricade. You get it now? And I sincerely apologize for making you cry to sleep yesterday. --[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 03:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


First time commenting on a suggestion, but I simply don't trust survivors to handle even more barricades. It would become either an overly defensive fort that attempts to keep everything (including new survivors) out, or a neglected cheesecloth that lets every feral in. As for balance, this would create a major inertia problem. In strong areas, zombies and survivors who want to meet zombies (a lower level needing to find zombies for xp, or revivers) would have a miserable time. When a horde did break in, it would lead to a mass buffet of survivors who got careless inside the walls. And is there any mechanism to prevent survivors from making a layer of walls that are ridiculously thick? As for creating hot spots, I think this would actually impose isolation, since moving from one colony to another would take an unpredictable amount of AP, and few survivors would venture to take that risk often. --{{User:foxlion/Sig}} 05:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Please give your thoughts.
:'''Re:''' Thank you for your feedback and issues raised. I have to admit, the risk of survivors getting complacent within walls was actually intentional, adding to the risk factor, but the possibility of extra thick walls would indeed be a ball-ache. On the mobility issue, since using tinyInt to store the values would limit the barricades to VS+1, wouldn't that allow the low level survivors to clamber over barricades allowing for normal movement? This admittedly, would make things harder for zombies, and would need to be addressed. I'm open to any suggestion on how to revise my suggestion.--[[User:Minothor|Minothor]] 15:22, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
::You're letting a technical implementation detail get in the way of your thinking. Figure out how you want it to work first, then figure out the implementation, rather than the other way around. Also, a TINYINT is not 0 to 9, as you seem to think. For the database types that implement TINYINT (Oracle and Postgresql don't, while T-SQL and MySQL do), it's an 8-bit integer with a range from -128 to 127 or 0 to 255, depending on if it's signed or not. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


:I have been a zombie before and I got free running not long ago. When I was a noob The one thing I dreaded was the EHB of buildings. No offense man, but this is a horrible idea. There are now drawbacks to survivors this would hurt zombies even more. Zombies are only about 30% of the population. This would make zombie numbers fall to I would say single digit percents, that is if there are any zombies left after this would be put into effects.[[User:Founder7|Founder7]] 14:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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TL;DR: nuh-uh. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)</sub>
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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)

Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

Discussion (Shrink the map)

Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

Discussion (Action Points)

Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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