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asking iscariot a question about the administration staff will only be answered with his "version" of things. A really twisted version of things. If a sysop could dismiss a deletion request, another could overturn his decision and allow a request to carry on being voted on. My arbitration case against him was dismissed since there was no point having my contested edits being restored, as karek's recent edits to the page have made then useless. If anyone were to wish the arbitration case to continue, that would me since it was my edits that got removed and unable to be restored for the duration of the arbie. And iscariot routine maintenance of his talk page is how he calls how he removes comments of users he doesnt like from his talk page. Had to reply this here, because this would've been removed from izzy's talk page faster than a sandwich in a room full of hungry somaliis. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 23:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Well of course it'll be my 'version' everything, what with me speaking for myself and all....

Yes, a sysop contesting a deletions request, because we know how well the misconduct procedure works with sysops judging themselves....

The arbitration wasn't dismissed, it was removed, note the difference.

It wasn't Hagnat's edits that got the arbitration case brought, it was the content, as the Jorm case I referenced (and Hagnat conveniently ignored) proves, content supersedes edit.

I am entitled by policy to remove any edits from my talk page that I dislike. I don't recall reading the one that allows Hagnat to remove the cases from Arbitration that he dislikes without censure or archiving. Notice how he won't put the case back.

Also notice that I don't use an ethnic slur as a witty punchline... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware that I'm asking Iscariot's version of things :)

Hagnat, can you tell me what do you think of the current situation? --Janus ^talk 12:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

One of the major points of asking Iscariot anything on his talk page is that any dissenting view just gets deleted. He won't let us give our answer to his outrageous allegations there, and yet he stalks other users talk pages (sysops mainly, what's the bet they're watchlisted?), free to answer as he will. Does that not show you the weakness of, if not his position, then his nature? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:40 16 January 2009 (BST)

Why are they outrageous? Anyway, Iscariot wrote this: I direct you to Nubis' comment below "But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page", yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm stalking him. --Janus ^talk 12:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

They're outrageous because he disallows any rebuttal. Despite the fact that I had never done anything to warrant summary deletion of my posts on his talk page (in fact it was my first edit to his page) he deleted my polite answer to the bullshit he was spouting about "what sysops should do" (basically, what sysops should do is whatever Iscariot demands). Do you really want me to go and look at his page, and copy and paste my rebuttals to his numerous examples of crappage to your talk page, and to anyone else's talk page that I may think is interested? A waste of my fucking time! He refuses to allow me to post there, where he makes his idiot allegations, knowing that they can't be answered by those who actually know the reasons that they made whatever decisions he disagrees with today -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:18 16 January 2009 (BST)

That's not how watchlists work. For a page to be listed in a user watchilist, he must manually add it to the list by pressing the watch button. Simply posting in a user's talk page wont do the trick. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Liar. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think he was trying to lie, more just being uninformed about said function.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Holy shit! If I checked that option, I'd have half the wiki on my watchlist by now! Nice way to avoid the issue though... that Iscariot feels free to edit any other users talk page he feels like, but selectively censors his own to stifle opposition to his own conspiracy theories -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 15:40 16 January 2009 (BST)

I have that option ticked off and I have 2,786 +1 pages on my watchlist. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah its always suprised me when people are all like "that stalker probably has this page watchlisted", i have everything watchlisted :)--xoxo 22:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We couldnt have a better moment in this wiki. There are no active vandals, there are no raging battles between groups all over the wiki (there is a dispute between the Umbrella groups, but its resumed to only a few pages they own), The only really troubling user we had was Grim's, who was attempting to enforce his rule on all others and driving away those whom he didnt like, and he was defeated. We are in a period where things could be done instead of argued, but iscariot is simply being a total ass and ruining the moment. He claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away, when the only sysop who was responsible for such is now gone... and izzy thinks he was the only good sysop! We now have to create new policies to cover the loopholes iscariot is abusing, we are having long discussions and having to waste time on the whims of a single user who thinks knows better than the rest of the community! --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually Hagnat, you can edit your preferences to make it where any page you edit is added to your watchlist. That's how I have it set up, and I don't even use my list. I just look at the recent changes since my last edit. It helps when your RC is the last 2.5K edits.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ooops... been so long since i last change my settings that i didnt remembered such option was available. HAHHA... Disregard that, i suck cocks. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

S'okay. Just thought I'd point it out to you.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You too heh? That sure is getting popular 'round these parts.--xoxo 23:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow. I thought my ears were burning. Let me clear up a few things.

• I stalk Recent Changes - Not Iscariot. Him posting my line in the Summary caught my attention and since Hag had used it on Issy I thought he would enjoy that if he hadn't seen it already.
• My position on a sysop being able to refuse a deletion vote is because I know what the goons did and would have been capable of doing. I also know that they will be back and that DHPD won't be their only target. If Kevan himself hadn't vetoed the meat puppet policy the Goons were planning on brute forcing The DHPD into being a Historical Group. We could have done it.
• Also, that was posted on a discussion page. You know, kind of like a talk page where people are allowed to express their opinions, but somehow anything I post on a talk page that is my opinion is just another example of me trying to oppress the masses. Somehow, I'm not allowed to have an opinion since I am a sysop. (not a moderator as he points out repeatedly) It's not like I am editing the criteria with out a policy. I'm just asking how others see that situation. Kind of like you asking Iscariot his opinion on the sysop situation.
• I think the point I made about it being used as a weapon is valid. I think the point I made about the image AmberWaves specifically is valid since it didn't meet speedy delete criteria. I also know that I won't disagree with the deletion of the AmberWaves image because Dave Grohl was the user that had the stupidest argument with Grim over Text Rape. Oh no! an actual example of me letting my opinion of a user dictate my actions!
• Yet, I'm stalking him, and he's doing nothing wrong. - If you honestly think that he is doing nothing wrong then that is your opinion. You are entitled to it. But now you have at least some of my side of the situation. --– Nubis ^NWO 15:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

FYI, sysops have already refused deletions votes. Like me. I can show you. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Nubis: If you honestly think that he is doing nothing wrong then that is your opinion. You are entitled to it. But now you have at least some of my side of the situation.-– Image:dead_like_zed.gif Nubis The Vexed 15:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC) If you're referring to me I can assure you that I'm trying to get everyone's point of view. And if you want to write more about this matter you're more than welcome :) (i.e.: the arbitration case removed) --Janus ^talk 13:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hagnat: we are having long discussions and having to waste time on the whims of a single user who thinks knows better than the rest of the community! If I'm not mistaken, what Iscariot is trying to say is that the current sysop team is not acting on behalf of the community. Please, correct me if I'm wrong :) --Janus ^talk 18:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

So it's pretty much, argument wise, an "I am" "No, I am!" "Nuh uh!" "Uh huh" sort of thing. Actions wise, whole nother story.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 18:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

coming from a user who misconducted two sysops because they gave a user a chance to reform by removing his perma-ban, a user who created an arbitration case against a newbie and claims its the sysops fault that new users are going away from the wiki, a user who is the only one against in a miriad of vouches ub the promotion of suicidalangel, a user who voted keep on the deletion request of a clearly misplaced signature template, a user who advertised the location of the big brother building in the entire wiki when several users wished it to remain a secret... how can such a user knows what is that this community wants ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 19:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

He also made a misconduct case for getting his own warning struck 7 edits early, voted keep on a bunch of pages that were merged into one and that the creator himself wanted deleted, moved pages from A/SD to A/D (when they weren't going to be deleted) so that he could vote and save them (lol), put several established pages up to be moved to start drama, and is just generally hostile. Haha it's like a flashback episode where all the characters sit around and reminisce :) --– Nubis ^NWO 20:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The Big Brother house thing was also advertised by me and several others you know. I'm sick and tired of him being the only one that got credit for that! :/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suicidalangel (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

You did it too, but only after iscariot advertised it to everyone, and it was done when it was already useless to have izzy remove the location from his sig. So it had little to no impact in the whole drama --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 20:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually quite disappointed that he didn't accept the Promotions nomination. Some of the stuff Isc does Could be good. I really enjoyed User:Iscariot/No More Heroes, which had many good points, although wrapped up in a slightly angry rant. Come on Isc. How do we become more welcoming to the newbs? ( I didn't have time to ask you before your bid was closed.) --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ross, watch out trying to compliment him. The few times I've actually tried to defend him by listing his good points he threatened to sue me for libel.--– Nubis ^NWO 20:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm always nice. besides I'd like him to answer the kwestion. Would I vote for Isc? No, do I want him to explain the alternative to the current system and people? Yes. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

That's the thing about Iscariot. He's a really smart guy when he wants to be, and when I first arrived on the wiki (~six months ago,) he was a well-respected editor around Developing Suggestions. However, for some reason, of late, he's just become annoying :/. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The above

Rather than going into an angry rant I think I'll just say this:

Don't bother asking anyone's opinion in the matter, Iscariot is an issue that either pisses people off or is him commenting. Just read through some of the stuff he's done in A/MR, A/VB, Talk:Recruitment('specially the second archive), and Arbitration(You'll probably have to look over archives here too). I'd guide you to A/M as well but the archives there are much harder to navigate.

At this point no one will be able to answer your question better than you, especially not Iscariot or the Sysops on this one, you'll have to do the leg work and reach your own conclusion. My only request is that you be sure to look into the background of the cases and the rules as well, and not just the letter of them. Not only will it benefit you as an editor it will help your understanding of why some of us rule how we do and some of the arguments we have over those rulings. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 14:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)