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Developing Suggestions

This section is for general discussion of suggestions for the game Urban Dead.

It also includes the capacity to pitch suggestions for conversation and feedback.

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Adding a New Discussion

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Adding a New Suggestion

• To add a new suggestion proposal, copy the code in the box below.
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• Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
• Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.
• The process is illustrated in this image.

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• Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
• Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change.
• Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
• Description should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.

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Suggestions

AP Micropayments

Timestamp: A ZOMBIE ANT 05:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Type: Base game

Scope: All players

Description: AP is very important, so maybe UD should take on some more current gaming trends and introduce Micropayments to get more AP when they have run out. The pricing scale will be as follows: 10AP- $1 AU 25AP- "MOST POPULAR" - $2.30 AU 35AP- $3.00 AU 50AP- "BEST VALUE" - 4.00 AU My theory is that when Kevan realises how much money he could make with a good game, he might start updating it more and invest more into keeping a strong community. This is the only way UD can survive. Note: I used AU because obviously I am AU, but we can discuss pricing scales etc in the discussion section. Thoughts?

Discussion (AP Micropayments)

lols aussies —Aichon— 14:19, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Please be a humorous suggestion, because I'm a cheapskate who doesn't want to pay to win free, text-based browser games. (Actually no, it's just that I'm in college. P: )
I see a valid point with this suggestion, but due to the design/history of the game, I'm not in favour of anything that gives a select number of people more/faster AP ticks than the general userbase (it doesn't matter if it's based on how much money you give to Kevan's Beer Fund, how long you've played UD, or how much XP you have.) if you're looking for some serious discussion. It will destroy the game's balance, since some people have an AP advantage that not everyone else has. Besides, that price for 10 AP is my lunch money for a single day. In no way am I preventing/hampering Kevan from making money out of a good game; I'd have long donated for my characters if I could (I even disable ads for UD!) That and I just really hate microtransactions.
This did give me a good laugh for a while, though - thank you for making my night, and my day! -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UU)} 23:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

No worries, my friend! A ZOMBIE ANT 06:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Kirsty Cotton likes this. --_K 00:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I've also decided that perhaps some other things could be boosted with microtransactions:

• "Trench Master" - 15% higher search rate for weapons for a week - $10 AU
• "Hulk Hogan" - 25% more encumbrance for a week - $15 AU
• "Jesus" - Upon confirmation of payment, provides and instant revive to your character - $3 AU
• "Private School" - 50xp for $1 AU

Do you think these could be added alongside this suggestion? Or do you think AP is enough to be offering for money? A ZOMBIE ANT 07:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Not only do we NEED these ones, we also should have AP boosts that increase your rate of AP regeneration, backpacks for 25 permanent encumbrance improvement, and if you spend a load of cash, maybe even a Mini-Z(ombie) to go in your inventory (costs 25 encumbrance) so that you always have something to shoot! —Aichon— 07:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow yeah, for $30 AU you get your own pet zombie that can follow you around and show to people! A ZOMBIE ANT 08:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Syringes as a weapon

Timestamp: 18:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Type: Syringe function.

Scope: Survivors

Description: Stabbing a human/survivor with a necrotech syringe delivers 1~3 damage to them, and it infects them so that they lose 1HP for every turn, similar to Infectious Bite. This effect is cancelled with the use of a first aid kit on a hurt/infected human/survivor. The nechrotech syringe now appears on the weapons list. It would appear as (Attack) [Anja Arnheim] with [syringe somethingorother]. Attempting to use a human/survivor with a syringe normally through the general inventory will continue to result in the game saying to you YOU CAN ONLY REVIVE THE WALKING DEAD. Stabbing a human/survivor destroys the syringe, and it is lost from inventory. Hit rate is 100%. It is 100% because it can only be used once. Think of it like this, if every time you hit somebody with a baseball bat, but the bats are made of glass, so you shatter the bat but the human / survivor now has shards. The 100% is also because of the compliment of poisoned drain of health after receive only one to three damage especially after one use. I do not know how much it should be, but it should be in the one to three damage area.

Discussion (Syringes as a weapon)

My spidey sense thinks this is a dupe. Let me check. --Rosslessness 22:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

What are the hit rates? A ZOMBIE ANT 02:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I apologize forgetting that part, it is very important. I have added it to the suggestion, and a little bit more. I hope that this is not a repeat suggestion. I thought it would have been a repeat suggestion and looked very hard, but I might have missed something. -- 02:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Not a fan of the 100% hit rate. I would be, if the syringe finding chance was similar to infection bite (40%?) per AP, but since it varies from suburb to suburb (if I am remembering correctly) it would be too hard to balance out with a simple hard number. which I'm not a fan of. Obviously, it's a personal call, but mine would be: Make it something like 55% to hit (the extra 15% chance over 40 for infectious bite is to offset the AP you probably spend finding them), if you miss, it doesn't break, and if you're human it stacks with infectious bite (it is a different infection, after all) so you lose 2AP per action, but once you're a zombie, it disappears. Make it only applicable to humans. That oughta make the game a bit of fun! A ZOMBIE ANT 02:44, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Make it inst-hit (100% hit chance), 0 damage, automatically induces an infection and disposed of after use. I'd vote keep for that. -- Kamikazie-Bunny 18:31, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer seeing it with 0 damage over the 1~3 damage dealt in the original suggestion (as it's already quite OP with the 100% to hit,) although DDR (sorry if you didn't want to be abbreviated that way) raises a good point about syringe search rates. I always wished that the syringe could be weaponized not only in the context of "combat revives", but also among the currently living. 45 ~ 55% to hit might seem fair with the 1 ~ 3 damage chance. I'd rather not see it deal the same kind of infection as Infectious Bite. A different 'status effect' that, as DDR says, stacks with Infectious Bite would be fun. -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UU)} 13:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Ringing bells

Timestamp: Storm 07:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Type: change to a building

Scope: churches and or cathedrals

Description: right now anythong stands and I will give several things that could be done. The main thing is that survivors will be able to ring a bell when in a cathedral and or a church. When in the building it would take 2 AP. to ring the bell, and it would generally work like a flare (note range not decided). Zombies could be allowed to hit the bell also. If in favor state if it should be in cathedrals and or churches. Also if zombies should be able to hit the bell. State what you think the range should be. If you think it should be in a cathedral also state if a bell should be in every square or only a randomly generated one.

Discussion (Ringing bells)

I'd definitely support this on cathedrals, and I like the idea of it being only in one square per cathedral. Maybe not on churches. I don't think it being a zombie-available ability makes sense (without, say, a new skill, which in turn only makes sense if it's in churches too). Entering the steeple would presumably cost 1AP, and since the only thing you could do in there is ring the bell, might as well just make it bell-ringing for 2AP without the steeple (or have it in the description: "You climb to the steeple and ring the bell", etc.) I think a good range would be somewhere around 5-8 blocks; any further and it could become a nuisance. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 15:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd think that you should put it in both churches and cathedrals (just one block in the cathedral) and that you'd follow Bob's suggestion for how to deal with steeples (i.e. it costs 2AP, rather than having to actually enter a separate room). —Aichon— 15:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I removed the part about the steeple, and put Bob's suggestion in. --Storm 21:12, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I can get behind this. My thoughts and ideas:

• Bells can only be found in one square of churches/cathedrals (there are multi-square churches)
• Bells cost 2AP to ring
• Bells cannot be rung if the building is ruined
• Bells will automatically ring once when the square is ruined.
• Church bells have a range of 4 squares
• Cathedral bells have a range of 8
• Flavour Text:

When ringing

Inside the building "The bells echo throughout the building"

Outside (same square) "The bells ring out from the tower"

Outside (different square) "You hear a bell ringing X-Y from here"

Inside another building "You hear a bell ringing in the distance"

When ruined

The bell comes crashing down and reverbs throughout the building

Outside (same square) "A loud clanging cascades down through the tower"

Outside (different square) "You hear a bell heavily clang X-Y from here"

Inside another building "You hear a bell clang in the distance"

Kamikazie-Bunny 22:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Very good suggestions Kamikaze-Bunny. What do you think about zombies being able to hit the Bell? One other thing I think churches should maybe have a range of 5 instead of 4. Oh EVERYONE I just got an idea to limit spam maybe the bell can only be rung once per set amount of time --Storm 05:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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Tree houses

Timestamp: Storm 22:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Type: Buildings

Scope: Parks across Malton, and anyone who has construction

Description: This is a serious discussion, and is not intended to be humorous. Parks across Malton have been generally never used so I have an idea to make them better. When a survivor who has construction and a toolbox and and are standing in a park they can construct a tree house at a cost of 20 AP. A ladder would be the way to get up into the tree house. Once some one is in the tree house they can pull up the ladder so no one else can come up. Characters in surrounding blocks or players looking on with binoculars will not be able to see the tree house unless they step in the park as the tree house is concealed by the trees. The tree holding up the tree house can be destroyed. When a tree house's tree is destroyed there will be no effect to the park. another tree house we be able to be built when the existing one is destroyed. If in the tree house when the tree is destroyed a person will get the message "While in this tree house you fell to the ground injuring yourself as it's trunk was destroyed from an attack" you would lose 5HP from this. If in the block when the tree house comes down a message states "(someone) attacked the tree house trunk bringing it down and caused it's complete destruction from the fall". If the attacker was using a fire axe "attacked" will be replaced with "Chopped". Tree houses would have a 70 HP Value. The most effective weapons against it would be a fire axe which would have a hit rate of 15% (axe proficiency would increase this) and zombie hands of course. Zombies gain 10 XP for destroying a tree house. Four descriptions of the tree damage are 0-25% a Strong and healthy tree 25-50% A sturdy tree 50-75% a weakened tree 75-99% a severely damaged tree. Survivors with construction, and a toolbox can fix the tree house for 4hp per 1 AP gaining 1XP. Once built a tree houses description starts out as "crudely built" but for a cost further 5 AP from the previous they can hit "improve" which will increase it's description. Start: "crudely built" 1: nicely built cost 5 AP 2: amazingly built cost 10 AP 3: masterfully built cost 15 AP. Each time they improve they gain 2XP. If carrying a spray can survivors standing on the tree house could have the option to spray the tree house colors from a drop down list once the tree house is at nicely built. Spray cans still leave messages in the interior of the tree house. Any graffiti in the park will still be on a random tree. For another 10 AP A survivor can make a sign at entrance of the tree house stating whatever they want it to say max. 20 characters once the tree house is at amazingly built. It will take 5 AP to take down the sign. Tree houses can contain radio transmitters and portable gennies once it is masterfully built. They can also be decorated like regular buildings. Here is a example of what the tree house description wound look like: You are standing in (something) park. There is a masterfully built tree house standing on a weakened tree here. It is spray painted green and has a sign saying "Revive sqaud". It's ladder is extended down, and lights are on inside.

Discussion (Tree houses)

Does anyone realize that I put this here so I could develop this as a possible suggestion? So could someone voice their opinion please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Storm (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Hey Storm, just a note first. The wiki isn't so active anymore that you can expect to get responses on a suggestion (or, often, a talk page) right away. Most suggestions I've seen in the past year or so have gotten only 1-2 responses, and getting none isn't uncommon. (Also, impatience tends to make people less likely to respond.)

In response to the suggestion itself, I think that any suggestion which expands the playing area (as this one does, by allowing another spot within parks to be moveable into and out of) isn't a great one, due to the decreased number of players already being spread so thin. It also seems to create a whole slew of new actions, most of which take a number of AP. Not in itself a discredit, but a simpler suggestion might get more support. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, and sorry about the impatience, and that I just noticed I didn't sign it either. I'll wait a bit to change anything. Do you have any suggestions to make it simpler? --Storm 04:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

As Bob said, it effectively increases the number of places a player can visit in Malton. As a result, it will spread out the population even more, which would result in things feeling even less populated than they do now. Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to make tree houses work without doing that, so I have to say that I don't think it can be fixed and that it'll be something that wouldn't get any support from the regulars. —Aichon— 05:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I posted this here knowing people would not be in favor of it (reason stated in previous comments) but I thought it would be cool to have in game, and the idea was stuck in my head so I posted it anyway. --Storm 07:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Rooftops

Timestamp: Storm 09:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Type: buildings

Scope: buildings across Malton

Description: On urban dead there are many buildings you can take refuge in. You defend the cades with your life. And when it's time to run you can just free run to another block. In my suggestion a button will be added to the interface that says "Roof" only when a survivor goes up to the roof can they begin free running to another block. Flavor text could be," you take the stairs up to the roof and see the urban skyline in the distance" Also when holding a metal pipe you are given the option to block the door with it. A survivor who tries to reach the roof with the door blocked gets the message "You find the door to the roof has been blocked and won't budge" They are then given the option to force the door open which has a 100% chance of working it says "You jostle with the door pushing, and shoving until the metal pipe that was blocking it fell to the ground" but they also could fall down the stairs doing this which takes away 5 HP stating " While you were jostling with the door you lost your balance, and fell down the stairs. The metal pipe that was blocking the door then fell at your feet." When carrying a crow bar there is no chance of falling only a chance of failing if successful it states "You use your crow bar to pry the door to the roof open allowing you access. If unsuccessful "you can't seem to wedge your crow bar between the building and the door" When you are located on top of a rooftop flavor text could be "You are standing on top of (place) the urban skyline is visible in the distance" That is the message when the door is closed and not blocked when the door is open it states "You are standing on top of (place) after taking in the urban skyline you notice the door to the stairway is ajar" when on a building with it's rooftop door blocked it states in the description "You are standing on top of (place) after taking in the urban skyline you notice the door to the stairway has been blocked with a metal pipe" you are then given the option of unblocking it when done so it says "You remove the metal pipe that was blocking the door and throw it aside" For zombies it is the equivalent to a loosely caded building. And will need memories of life to open the door. No one can bypass the blocked door and will have to unblock it before preceding. All buildings except junkyards will have roofs that you need to go on to to start free running. Fort gate houses will not have Roofs. There could be flavored messages according to buildings such as a steeple in a cathedral instead of a roof. Other buildings that could have flavored messages Stadiums, and fort buildings (excluding the gate house)." --Storm 09:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion (Rooftops)

First, I feel like bell-ringing could be listed separately (and would more likely pass as a cathedral-only option). I do like the idea of rooftops, although maybe only on certain buildings that would have extensive and/or flat roofing (I'm thinking Malls in particular). Making it required to free run out only makes sense if rooftops are available on all buildings, including the others you listed like junkyards, stadia etc. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I guess I'll add bell ringing into another suggestion. But the thing about all buildings having roofs I think junkyards would be the only one to have no roof needed to free run as all you have to do is jump off a gate to another building. --Storm 20:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone else have any comments on rooftops? --Storm 07:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea but the mechanics seem vague. It would cost at least 2AP to move between buildings, more if you have to unblock the roof door. That might upset people. Buildings without roof tops, you mentioned, would lose the free running advantage, that might also upset people. Additionally it would make these roofless buildings inaccessible from the outside if barricaded over VSB, and that is a big no-no. What I do like about this idea is that it adds another dimension to buildings. To me this sounds better if implemented as a default available action, so lower level characters have the option to move between buildings via roof tops without free running, at a modest increased AP cost, and optionally at the risk of falling off the roof and taking damage too. --Wez 14:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I feel like under that interpretation it's too big of a survivor buff to allow free running-equivalent earlier without the chance of falling being pretty high. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 15:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

first off I meant that you can still free run into and out of buildings that don't have rooftops, and this would take away the plus +1 AP to enter/exit the roof for these buildings because they don't have roofs. Well I can see two fixes for the first part wez talked about. It could be when you open the door but fall it doesn't waste another AP, and you automatically get up and go up onto the roof. So you can choose to use the crow bar risking Ap or use your hands risking HP. Also there would be a less of a chance of you running out of AP on a roof next to zombie than on the street. This would not take 2 AP every time you free run it's just +1 AP when you are going into or out of a building. A second alternative would be everything in the suggestion applies besides the part about you having to go onto the roof to start free running. I generally think it should be the first one (but voice which one or any ideas you have when commenting about that. About the thing of being able to free run at a low Level I don't think it should be done but if so I think it should be that you would have a 65% of falling off the building (if you do you will lose 5 AP), and if you make it you gain 2XP state your opinion on this part while commenting also. OTHER ADDITIONS: please vote on these if I should add them into the suggestion. #1 30% could be the chance of you falling while using your hands to open a door. #2 40% could be the chance of you failing to open the door with a crow bar. #3 the door to the roof can be blocked on both sides (IE you would have to use or hands or crow bar to open the door if it is blocked from the inside, and gaining the same consequences if you fail). #4.A when a building is ruined you can not go on the roof (but still free run away, and with out that 1 AP to get on or off the roof). #4.B if so should players lose 5hp from falling if on the roof when it is ruined #5 if carrying binoculars a survivor can risk a 50% chance of falling off the building, and losing 5 hp to see the amount of zombies/survivors below. #6 for a 40% chance of falling off the building and losing 5 hp a survivor can look at the surrounding blocks (IE: the 8 blocks surrounding the center one), and see the zombie/survivor amount. #7 should players be able to jump off the building? #9 should players be able to decerate the roof? #10,if you think something should be changed voice under #10. #11 have any ideas/suggestsions you think could be included voice it under #11 --Storm 06:13, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea...if it had been around from the start of the game. Adding it now would further divide the player base, however, since you'd effectively be adding thousands of new places for survivors to hide. Anything that does so at this scale will get an automatic "no" from me, regardless of how good it is otherwise, I'm afraid. —Aichon— 15:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Well it could be when a zombie smashes the door they gain XP, and when they smash the pipe off the door it opens, and they are automatically taken onto the roof. Second thing if #4 would be added all you have to do is ransack the building and your human food comes crashing down with a extra 5 hp already taken off. Third option we could just remove the part about blocking doors. I think these could remove it from being a hiding place. Also you don't have to give it automatic "no" as this is in development. If you think something is wrong then try to suggest something to change it. --Storm 21:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Regarding "no", all I was saying is that I couldn't imagine getting behind anything that splits up the population more, and it seems like that's a fundamental part of this idea (i.e. I had no advice to offer in developing it, since it seemed unsalvageable to me). That said, my imagination is lacking apparently, since 4B (which I had not read, since I sometimes skip the comments, particularly when they're unbroken walls of text :P) seems to address the issue in a creative way, at least inasmuch as it reduces the need for zombies to check more places for survivors (the losing HP stuff I could take or leave). If they find survivors inside, they should be happy, and if they don't, they can ruin the place and find more of them, which should also make them happy. I'd have never thought of that. In that same vein, I can't help but wonder if maybe zombies should be able to see any survivors that are on the roof. It'd let them know that if they break in they are guaranteed to find someone inside, which could help with the current situation. —Aichon— 23:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

It's more like a mountain of text. I skipped most of what I wrote the first time through and had to do it all over again because of the amount of errors so no hard feelings. The part about seeing survivors on the roof I think that is a very good idea actually, and it would help zombies also. It could be automatic like you suggested or if #6, and #7 are added it could be that will make it automatic if they are successful in looking without falling, and to see/smell/hear the survivors on the roof always it could be put into a new skill or part of a existing one. --Storm 05:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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