User talk:Duke Garland/BHW

Announcement

hi. would like to post some notes here, at the top.

The map page is getting close to the wiki page size limit, so soon it will be split in 2 parts just like i did with monroeville one.
i have a script ready that parses out rectangle frame. i.e. you give me x_min, x_max, y_min, y_max and i give you a wikimap in these limits (though, only data that i have would be present). handy for your single region suburbs. i did all monroeville regions maps like this!
i only take iwitness so far because of few reasons, biggest of which are protection of errata/misstypings and reliability. however i might look at some big chunks people collected and add them if i have somebody like Rosslessness saying "this one is reliable".
for how can i help i'll quote Jen:

Jen said:

Learn how to use iwitness. Then find an area of the map that's not been documented, take an iwit record of every single step you take, and post them here, so Duke can update the map based on them. Alternatively, you can help with some stopgap maps by compiling and sticking together screenshots, but those are temporary, and will only be useful as long as there's not a centralized map.

here is modified iwitness bookmarklet that autocreates a public report with "Automatic Borehamwood Mapping" as the comment without user interaction
please, if you notice you're not far from blocks that are called on my map, like, "the [something]", such as "the Alley" - tell me how they are called now, as Kevan renamed them;

Sincerely yours, --~~~~ [talk ]

Announcement 2

A user by the name Lexi set up modified automapping plug to work with Borehamwood and a way for me to recieve gathered info. You can download his firefox plug for this here. I cannot tell how fast info from there would get to my page, but it will. So go forth and try it.

links, were did they go?

it was getting crowded, so i moved parsed iwitness to an User talk:Duke Garland/BHW/archive --~~~~ [talk ] 19:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Radlett

GeraldThompson 23:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

done --~~~~ [talk ] 12:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's some more. Also, bummer about the BB house.

Apparently iWitness didn't like 510-20

Hope it's not too much to parse through in a sitting. I think I did it backwards; loaded the wiki after I moved east, so I guess I'll be backtracking to finish the triangle I've created. GeraldThompson 04:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

done. Your's and Cjo9911's below 84 iwitness links took only about 60 seconds worth of processor time downloading iwitness html and parsing it. Much more time is spent updating the wiki page(s). --~~~~ [talk ] 22:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

More Borderland, NW BHW

GeraldThompson 00:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

done --~~~~ [talk ] 00:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I give you the most NW corner. I'll be lurking around Radlett for a while looking for the BB house, so you're going to probably get a pretty complete Radlett map in the next few days. GeraldThompson 17:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

done, thanks. i feel weird for not telling you wether you will or will not successful in finding BB house in Radlett --~~~~ [talk ] 21:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

No biggie, I read a newspaper that says the house is supposed to be there, and I have some other supporting potential proof, so it's worth the shot. Besides, I was going to map the suburb anyway, this is just an added bonus. GeraldThompson 23:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

if you read another newspaper you get another region name --~~~~ [talk ] 12:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Well that's disheartening. Oh well, I'm still going to map the suburb for you.GeraldThompson 02:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you think that I could drop down an extra row each pass, and go down to row 5 after this? You'd see the bottom of this row as the top of row 5, and it would save me quite a bit of AP a day.GeraldThompson 02:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

done. right now you were travelling through 3rd line and all 4th line blocks were gettning recorder. next you can go to line 6 and blocks for lines 5-7 would be recorded. Anyway, i think best AP-wise scouting looks like this:

as it takes 1 ap to walk diagonally, but accomplishes more "distance" and 5 new blocks instead of 3 each turn. --~~~~ [talk ] 11:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Mapping Procedures

I have been mapping locations in Elstree without screen shots by manually editing the map at the bottom of that page. I've noticed that there seem to be a few other mapping activities going on, some of which include what appear to be master maps and screen shots. I'm a bit confused about best practice, and I'm afraid that my work is either going to be overwritten or simply deemed unreliable. Can someone write up a quick primer on HOW to properly map for use newbies (what to record and WHERE) and link to it on the Borehamwood main page? Squideshi 18:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Your work is either going to be overwritten or simply deemed unreliable. Here's a quick notes on HOWTO for newbies: don't do anything. Really. You might think that i'm too harsh, but believe me, the mess from errors that newbies make is too large --~~~~ [talk ] 19:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You need to be real careful. Im currently sorting out a map of Northwest Borehamwood but I'm putting nothing in until its been confirmed by a secondary source, whether that's screenshots, the duke here, the guy who's got a giant excel table, screenshost or screencaptures. The best practice is to Iwitness it all, or take shots like other users have done. Bear in mind we still don't know what shape some of these maps should be! --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 19:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe Duke's map is the closest thing to a documented, thorough, default map (well, or will be, once it's finished). So if you want to contribute to the effort that's not going to get overwritten or deemed unreliable, learn how to use iwitness. Then find an area of the map that's not been documented, take an iwit record of every single step you take, and post them here, so Duke can update the map based on them. Alternatively, you can help with some stopgap maps by compiling and sticking together screenshots, but those are temporary, and will only be useful as long as there's not a centralized map. (And Duke won't update his map based on screenshots). --Jen 19:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Remember. whatever you do will be superceded by duke. The only reason im doing it is for short term navigation. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 19:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand that this all applies to the big map being put together by Duke. Does it also apply to the smaller individual maps on the wiki page for each suburb? Squideshi 05:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

What Jen said. By the way best way to go scouting-wise is diagonally (you get 5 new blocks instead of 3 each turn). --~~~~ [talk ] 19:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Unless duke can do a screengrab?--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 19:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

i'll think about it, but i doubt i'll do it this week--~~~~ [talk ] 19:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, keeping track of where the borders of suburbs are is a good thing. This is the one element that isn't covered by Duke's map, so compiling some sort of screenshot diagram is immensely useful when it comes to those. --Jen 19:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Haw Crescent Garage for example marks the Most Southern and Easterly Corners of Northwest Borehamwood at 543,32 --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 20:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Its Westernmost border is at 524 (inclusive, apart from below line 25 when its border is 520 (inclusive) --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 20:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

~hi guys, erm someone definately putting false info out there (much more than just hiding the BB house) I finding references to places doubled or even tripled. Just thought I'd give ppl the heads up. :Alphastarre 10:12, 31 October 2008

There are quite a few repeated names (eg Cuningunde Hospital.) which are legitimately repeated on the map. I suspect this is what you've noticed, and not misinformation. --Zarneverfike 10:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Alphastarre, if you want to point out incorrect information, point out incorrect information. coordinates, you know? i've got everything ready to investigate it. in the message above all you did was talk shit. And take in account what Zarneverfike said - location names aren't unique throughout the town. In Monroeville there are 2 hospitals with same name 10 blocks from eash other --~~~~ [talk ] 15:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)