Talk:Cobra (group)/Guide

Discussion from sandbox stage

Is it really Worth GKing an empty genny in a dark building? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 00:08, 17 October 2010 (BST)

For the 10+ AP cost to do so, not really. 00:08, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Empty gennies not as much. I'm thinking of lit gennies here, but will make that clearer later. Note that this is still _massively_ work in progress. -- Spiderzed▋ 00:11, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Pro-banana? I rike. 20:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

That's the least I can do after NOT slapping a banana tactics template on the Hiding section. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Just so you know, {{button|attack}} doesn't work very well in IE. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 21:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I've used now a workaround without the padding that doesn't look as good/official as the original template, but neither breaks the formatting as far as I've tested it in IE. -- Spiderzed▋ 13:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion from Developing Guides

We have a few PKer guides on the wiki, but none that I'm happy with so far. They are good at teaching the basic "max your guns and hide in dark buildings" drill, but hardly go beyond that. (Possible exception is only the Siege PKer guide, and let's face it, it's more about death-cultists who use PKing as one of their tools, than about the run-of-the-mill PKer who doesn't care about the zombies being winning.)

I looked to write up something that is easy to pick up for beginners, but still teaches some advanced tricks without going to deep into tangents as actions via question marks, or the way that the RG works.

Don't mind the formatting at all, it's purposefully basic and half-assed currently. 1.) My proof-reader this time isn't wiki-savvy at all, and as she devotes her spare time to help me on this I don't wish to needlessly bog her down with tables and other fancy clutter. 2.) The guide will be integrated with Cobra's new page design, which isn't even finally decided yet - don't feel like doing the same work twice. -- Spiderzed▋ 21:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, you mentioned Cutey so that's a big thumbs up! The advice given is good and the sidebars are helpful. There'll always be people who disagree with the weapons distribution issue, but you make it perfectly clear that this is a personal preference so that's not a problem. The only hole I can pick in this guide at the moment is a couple of superfluous apostrophes (it's = it is / its = belonging to it or relating to it), and that's just me being über-fussy. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 10:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Page has been moved to main space and has also received its design, now that my proof-reader is done. If I don't hear any further complaints, I'll put it on Guides/Review after the week-end. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion from UDWiki:Featured Articles/Candidates

Now here's both a group and a guide page I have always been proud of. While the main design of the Cobra pages has received more praise (and is better liked by myself), this one is a more legible design, as necessary for such a long text. As for the content, it is most likely the most thorough PKer guide on the wiki. -- Spiderzed█ 19:29, 17 September 2012 (BST)

Okay, we really need more commenters than just me. Extending discussion. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 05:24, 26 September 2012 (BST)

Per request of commenters, extending discussion. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:48, 12 October 2012 (BST)

Excellently written, comprehensive, and as a (relatively) unbiased guide, I'm in favor despite the group being active. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 15:11, 18 September 2012 (BST)

I am not the biggest fan of the color scheme, but the guide is absolutely rock-solid and a good example of a group page that should be featured. -MHSstaff 16:40, 26 September 2012 (BST)

Oh, and it might be worth renaming it to Cobra PK Guide or something more descriptive. -MHSstaff 16:51, 26 September 2012 (BST)

It was originally Cobra/Guide, but that way lies A/A... As for the colour scheme, the monotype green-on-black of the main page design was hard too hard on the eye for long texts, so I looked around for something easier to read using blue and red (the standard Cobra colours). Red on blue and blue on red look ugly, as does black on light red. So black on light blue (with red page borders) it became. Mind you, if you have concrete suggestions for different fitting colors, I am all ears. -- Spiderzed█ 18:07, 26 September 2012 (BST)

I think you just have too many colors going at once. IMHO. -MHSstaff 21:26, 12 October 2012 (BST)

Its a nice group page and good PK guide. I don't agree with everything in it but almost every PKer has their own opinion on these things. There are a bit too many Cobra specific things in this guide, like using "Hail Cobra!" as a backup taunt, for me to refer newbie pkers to use it. It also breaks some specific rules my group does not condone like abusing the RG. So overall while I like the guide and wouldn't ask for it to be changed, its hard for me to support it as a featured article. ~ _{00:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)}

Since it's expected that the article is created from the group's perspective, the rest of the page need not be neutral. There's reason that it is in group space. -- Spiderzed█ 06:45, 27 September 2012 (BST)

Oh, I know it meets NPOV criteria. I guess you could say my only complaint is the content. Since I don't reccomend newbie PKers to use this guide, I'd prefer not see it it featured on the main page. If it were just a matter of "Hey, check out this sweet group page" it'd be different but this page has the unique position of being both a guide and a group page. ~ _{15:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)}

I don't know; I kinda saw it more as a sweet group page than as the ultimate PK guide. -MHSstaff 17:43, 27 September 2012 (BST)

The page is the result of me wanting all at the same time a.) finally a good PKer guide on the wiki in general, b.) a good PKer guide for our newbie killers in particular and c.) having yet another venue to attract recruits. Obviously, it can't be everything to everyone, especially in such a diversified niche as PKing. While the general gameplay is the same, Philosophe Knights, Playing God, Profile Police, Big Coffin Hunters and Flowers of Decay follow very different policies and ground rules (just to pick a few wildly different examples). In the end, I settled for a group page, as that gave me the power to be POV and group-specific. Hence also why this is submitted to FA as a group page, rather than as a general article. -- Spiderzed█ 19:31, 27 September 2012 (BST)

And it does those things fantastically. Doesn't mean I think it belongs on the main page. Whether its nominated as a group page, an article or as a user page, the end result is always the same. At some point this would be on the front page. And I disagree with just enough of it that I'm not throwing in my support. ~ _{01:25, 28 September 2012 (UTC)}

Oh so long ago, I suggested this idea based on the lack of good PKer guides. I don't agree with everything in it, but it's a well-written "article" and already a featured guide. For -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 23:40, 27 September 2012 (BST)

For, but then again I'm biased :P ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 10:35, 28 September 2012 (BST)

My god is that page ugly. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 21:07, 8 October 2012 (BST)

Am I correct in judging this as successful? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 20:23, 8 October 2012 (BST)

I'd say so, but I am hugely biased. -- Spiderzed█ 22:49, 8 October 2012 (BST)

I'll probably try to counter-meatpuppet it. Go ahead and leave it open for another week. ~ _{00:23, 9 October 2012 (UTC)}

Meatpuppet number one coming right up, Vapor. No, but seriously, page is ugly, MOB deserves the attention way more, and while the guide is good, it's definitely not Featured Page material. Also, Sally will not bang me, and the guide doesn't help fix that, which means this whole page is shite. Against. --RadicalWhig 02:40, 9 October 2012 (BST)

Extension had no effect. Do I close this and how? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:55, 26 October 2012 (BST)

When there is no clear consensus within 5 weeks, then it is very likely that the page wasn't meant to be featured. -- Spiderzed█ 06:19, 26 October 2012 (BST)