UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Unban Amazing

Told you

That is all. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Told who ? When ? Where ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

If he wants to come back, then maybe. 18:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

how is he supposed to show that he wants to come back if he is denied access into udwiki ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 18:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

IRC. 18:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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via Facebook --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 20:29, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

If he wants to seriously re-appeal, he can I think. At least SA tried to overturn a permaban for Izumi once, although it was turned down. However, since deciding on (un)banning is a sysop-only power this cannot be a policy as it is not up to the community. Suggest the A/VB page instead. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Um, no. If the community votes to unban someone, using a policy like this, the sysops are bound to do it. Jedaz was unbanned in similar circumstances -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 00:45 18 February 2011 (BST)

That's scary. Is there a limit to where you can go with this, or are you telling me that in theory you can start stuff like this and this? Seems strange considering policy is a popular vote. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Why is that scary? The first wouldn't get up and the second is basically what the promotions page is. Sysops are an instrument of the community. They are given the trust to ban users, but if the community makes it clear that they strongly disagree with a decision (enough to get a policy up), then the sysops need to reconsider a decision -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 14:08 18 February 2011 (BST)

Yup. in the case of meatpuppets; break glass and sound the alarm to kevan. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 14:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Why wouldn't the first example get up considering what you just said? And the second is indeed like promotions with the very important difference that it is a majority vote without crats deciding. Considering we don't strike meatpuppetery this could be open to be abuse. I dunno man, but this seems fishy. Seems like people could bypass A/RE, A/VB, A/PM with a policy vote. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Possibly? After seeing the shithouse modding the minecraft wiki mods do, I'm open to letting the people decide whenever. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 14:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The community wouldn't vote to ban Ross... not witout some extremely clear sock/meat puppetry. Basically any attempt to force a sysop to be elected would be stymied by the fact that there is a clear policy dictating that it goes through the normal A/PM proceedure, and if you're upset with the outcome, then your appeal is done by electing new 'crats at the next election -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 14:41 18 February 2011 (BST)

That already makes a lot of more sense. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Unbans have previously been done via A/VB about HiteiKan and about Kerkel. Not sure in how far that holds water in regards of policy and guidelines (IMHO it stretches it enough to tie a knot into it), but it has been done anyway. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Both of those examples are "3 edit rule" type permas... where someone comes on, does jackass edits without thinking, and get's banhammered. They are different cases to Amazing or Izumi or thier ilk. Sysops should be willing to give "newbs" a second chance, but someone who has been around long enough to know the rules, and gets excalated through more than just the single A/VB case has shown a clear disreguard for the wiki, and is unlikely to get cosideration from either the sysop team, or the community. Only time will see the community willing to allow them back. And probably only because they havn't experienced their arseclownery, first hand ;) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 15:26 18 February 2011 (BST)

Just let me know when I'm banned. Shouldn't be too much of an issue, I can just circumvent the ban with an alternative user name. You massive bicycle thieves. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:03, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Relevant quote from the wiki's guidelines: "Also, it is expected that a system operator be prepared to reverse a warning/ban should the community desire it." --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

We've had this discussion numerous times. The answer is always going to be be no. -- Cheese 21:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Hagnat is again simply poking the sysop team. First A/VB, then deletions, and now this. I'm assuming Misconduct will be next. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:30, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't give him ideas. =p -- Cheese 21:34, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

misconduct will be next if my user page remains non-deleted in the next hours... its * my * user page, and no one should be able to keep it against my will --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 21:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

THIS IS FUNNY -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 23:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Get Out. --DT^PK 23:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

While your at it make sure to unban Cornhole as well for more lols--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

now now... one vandal at a time, please --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Well lets get this wrapped up then! When can we start voting?--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 17:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)