Suggestion:20070919 Sawed-off shotgun

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	This suggestion was voted as spam and closed for voting, with 0 keep, 7 kill, and 8 spam votes.

Sawed off shotgun

Timestamp:	Southern Guy 02:00, 19 September 2007 (BST)
Type:	Realism, firearms improvement
Scope:	Survivors
Description:	As the survivors become better at fighting and living in Malton, they would probably begin customizing their weaponry in order to make them more compact and light. Shotguns, being some of the most devastating weapons in Malton, would be no exception. Therefore, I propose that survivors with toolboxes be given the option to use it to shorten their shotgun's barrel and stock. Once done, the survivor could not revert the weapon to it's original state. The affects of shortening the shotgun would include a better chance of hitting their target, but less damage done with every hit. Edit: Okay, 10% increase in accuracy, 10% drop in damage, 5% less encubarance. I figured that numbers I gave wouldn't matter, because Kevan and the rest would decide the percentages if it was selected.

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1. Numbahz! - Uh, could you, perhaps, give an actual number to each? Just lowering one thing and raising the other... doesn't give a clue as to what you're actually talking about. -- SgtBop 04:26, 19 September 2007 (BST)
2. Kill- Makes no sense. Shortening a barrel would decrease accuracy in exchange for a minimal increase in initial muzzle velocity. Most shotguns are hardly long enough to be unwieldy, and shortening the barrel would make little difference in weight as most of the weight is in the action of the firearm. AndToGo 06:33, 19 September 2007 (BST)
3. Kill- Sounds like this one shot itself with a shotgun--Dragon fang 07:18, 19 September 2007 (BST)
4. Kill - As Sgtbob and AndToGo. --Sonofagun18 08:02, 19 September 2007 (BST)
5. Kill - The major reason you saw off a shotgun is to make it concealable. Concealing weapons serves very little purpose in a place like Malton, where everyone is expected to be armed.--Jiangyingzi 09:21, 19 September 2007 (BST)
6. kill - Needs numbers plus; while a sawn off shotgun firing shot might be more accurate and less damaging (due to "pattern" spread) I always kinda assumed that we were using solid slugs which would just be less accurate! --Honestmistake 09:26, 19 September 2007 (BST)
7. Kill - Needs some numbers corresponding to the accuracy, damage, encumbrance, and anything I forgot. --^T 15:32, 19 September 2007 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Dupe - This is a dupe, but I'm too inept to find it properly. Also I fixed your suggestion for ya, it was on the actual category page and not here.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:32, 19 September 2007 (BST)
2. Spam - No need to research if it's a dupe, it's spam, period. Hell, it's not even a real suggestion, it's got more holes than... than something with a lot of holes in it... --WanYao 07:24, 19 September 2007 (BST)
3. Spam/Dupe - No to weopons suggestions that have'nt been thought out.--Seventythree 07:59, 19 September 2007 (BST)
4. Spam - As 73. -- John Rubin^{T! ZG} 10:27, 19 September 2007 (BST)
5. Spam - Incomplete. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:33, 19 September 2007 (BST)
6. Spupe - here's a link: *provides link*. Also, being incomplete makes it Spam. Take it here. --Pavluk ^{A! E!} 10:37, 19 September 2007 (BST)
7. Dupe - It's incomplete and overly vague which would mean it would normally be spam but, it's also a dupe of many better suggestions. Very Dupe, Kinda dupe, previously mentioned dupe. There are more but I'm too lazy to search through every shotgun suggestion ever.--Karek^maps?! 10:47, 19 September 2007 (BST)
8. Spam I believe the shotguns in UD are double Barreled sawed off's. Seeing how they hold two shots and seeing how you can carry four shotguns I would be a good bet that they are sawed off.--Johnny Reb 12:55, 19 September 2007 (BST)
9. Spam/Dupe – As Seventythree. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 16:33, 19 September 2007 (BST)
10. Spam/Dupe - Because I still don't get yelled at for not explaining my votes.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:09, 19 September 2007 (BST)

    *Yells at SA* --Pavluk ^{A! E!} 21:27, 19 September 2007 (BST)

11. Spam/Dupe/Could be good suggestion - Make it so the accuracy is like -15%, but the encuberance is lower. BoboTalkClown 21:15, 19 September 2007 (BST)

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