UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jackson vs Edge of Extinction

Edge of Extinction vs User: Jackson

I would like to bring this group to the attention of the Sysops for a few reasons. I will start with the smallest first:

• Harassment at our forums. Members from this group are continually visiting our forums to spam and make vulgar remarks to members. They have been repeatedly banned and posts deleted in vein attempts to keep them from coming back.
• Supposed editing of our wiki pages. This is yet to be confirmed since I do not know how to track I.P. addresses.
• Hacking, coinciding with their re-appearance there have been attempted hackings of both my U.D. accounts and personal accounts non-related to Urban Dead, this includes my AIM account and e-mail. Fortunately my AIM account is old so it appears they got little out of it other than changing my password.

Indeed I cannot link the hacker(s) to EoE, but, since the coincides fit so well, being that these jerks hate UC so much and apparently me in particular, with the hackers connection to U.D., I thought it warranted such actions.--President Jackson 14:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

arbies Linkthewindow  Talk  14:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Didn't think this fell under arbitration, but okay.--President Jackson 14:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

With the possible exception of the second point, it's mostly a personal dispute. You can easily check whos been editing via the history tab. However, most of this stuff occurs off-wiki, and arbitrators can only rule on stuff that happens here. Linkthewindow  Talk  15:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

That said, I could be wrong. See my point above, however. Linkthewindow  Talk  15:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Noted. Would like the group to be warned as it is the most that this could achieve unless they are perma-banned. Regarding the 3rd issue, I'll have to search for manners of protecting myself but I wanted it mentioned since it is likely part of the group's inappropriate behavior.--President Jackson 15:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I will so offer to arbitrate this case. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Is the 'so' in bold because you really want to or you see this as some way at getting back at me for my comments? Anyway, this is an example of their regular activity that is currently going on, http://z15.invisionfree.com/Umbrella/index.php?showtopic=1269. Their new game is to use mine or Leon Cane's name, so far this is going on steadily.--President Jackson 16:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The 'so' is in bold because I could wrap this entire case up in 10 minutes, as should any arbitrator worth his place on that list above. If you manage to find some puppet to arbitrate in your favour then it'll be 30 seconds before that person finds themselves in an arbitration case regarding their conduct.

You have:

• Harrassment at you forums - So? Is that a wiki issue? Why then would it be resolved and bound here?
• Editing your wiki pages - Prove it. Go to your pages, click the history tab and find the edit made by them. If you do find one, that's an A/VB case. Until you do find one it's you making shit up.
• Hacking your accounts - Depending on where you live, accessing personal account may be illegal, contact your local law enforcement for further details. It is not a matter for this wiki and neither is your game accounts being hacked. If you specified an email account at the creation of your character you could email Kevan with the details and ask for a password change, if you didn't put an email account in at creation you may as well start a new character now. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration has no effect on events outside the wiki therefore this is well beyond it's remit. There is also very little we can do as sysops since this is happening off wiki. I'm afraid all you can do is change all your passwords, failing that get a new account and don't advertise it. Aside from that there is nothing we can do here. -- Cheese 17:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

"Noted. Would like the group to be warned as it is the most that this could achieve unless they are perma-banned." The situation with the forum has been handled accordingly so the harassment cannot continue there.--President Jackson 18:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, you can't warn a group on the wiki for something that happens off-wiki. Actually, you can't warn a group at all. You can only warn individual users. --Pestolence^(talk) 21:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

And there is no conclusive proof that the group are actually behind the vandalism. -- Cheese 22:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

So it can't just be considered as inappropriate conduct that would warrant some sort of administrative action against their group or members? I mean its pretty serious what they were/are doing. I find the attempted hackings of my Urban Dead accounts and my AIM account and e-mail something that is just a little bit too coincidental. And if no punishment can be issued then I guess I drop the arbi case. I have the I.P. address of the person who attempted to hijack my account(s) if that can be traced back to the possible perpetrator.--President Jackson 22:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Stuff that takes place off the wiki, like alleged hacking and forum harassment etc., has no relevance here. Not to the wiki Admin, and especially not in Arbies. Deal with it through your service providers, or legal channels, that's about all you can do.

Or... Or... Try not to be such a pathetic fucking asswipe -- at least once in a while -- and you might not have so many enemies. --WanYao 22:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, "suspected editing of your wiki page"??? Are you an idiot? Check the histories, and if a non-group member is vandalising the wiki, report them. Otherwise... you're just expelling hot air out your ass... --WanYao 22:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Pathetic ass wipe? They were enemies long before any of that B.S. below us. Wan Yao you never cease to entertain me with your bullshit. I already admitted I am not 100% wiki literate and I knew that the vandals had been reported however what I was trying to do with this case was bring these activities that the group had performed to the attention of administration so something could be done to them inside UD. I already know since I've been told that the SYSOP's cannot do anything outside of UD and I wasn't expecting them to, that wasn't the point of this arbi. The point was to bring up what they had done and have some action taken on their UD related things, such as their wiki, wiki profiles, or UD member profiles (if possible). You know Wan Yao there are better times to attempt to flame someone but frankly if someone were trying to get into your personal shit I wouldn't attempt such a thing with a 10 yard pole. Frankly I will understand it for now since you hate me so much which is totally cool with me.--President Jackson 09:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the internets, newbie. It's a big place, and we have no jurisdiction outside this little wiki -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:25 4 February 2009 (BST)

To put at least a little positive spin on this...The accounts responsible for the edits to your wiki page were found guilty of vandalism some time ago and permabanned. If they were stupid enough to use a fully static IP then you don't have anything to worry about..however I don't imagine that is the case and suggest you try again by sacrificing Mudkips on the alter of Lulz. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 03:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

TheMudpkips are a lie. --WanYao 04:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Whatever. (facepalm) Drop the arbi.--President Jackson 09:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Partially my fault too, I misunderstood the conflict. Anyway, archiving now. Linkthewindow  Talk  09:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)