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==Developing Suggestions==
''This page is for presenting and discussing suggestions which '''have not yet been submitted''' and are still being worked on.''


===Further Discussion===
Discussion concerning this page takes place [[Talk:Developing Suggestions|here]].
Discussion concerning the suggestions system in general (including policies about it) takes place [[:Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]].


Nothing on this page will be archived.
===Ignore based on Radio Broadcast===
 
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== Please Read Before Posting ==
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Khwud|Khwud]] ([[User talk:Khwud|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 
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*''Be sure to check [[Frequently Suggested#The List|The Frequently Suggested List]] and the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots | Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] before you post your idea.'' There you can read about many idea's that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a '''dupe''', or a duplicate of an existing suggestion. '''These include [[Suggestions/RejectedNovember2005#SMG.2FMachine_Pistol|Machine Guns]] and [[Suggestions/24th-Apr-2007#Rooftops.2C_Sniper_Rifle.2C_and_Sniper_Ammo|Sniper Rifles]]'''. There users can also get a handle of what an appropriate suggestion looks like.
|'''Type:''' UI enhancement
*Users should be aware that this is a talk page, where other users are free to use their own point of view, and are not required to be neutral. While voting is based off of the merit of the suggestion, opinions are freely allowed here.
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*It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
|'''Scope:''' Interface
*<font color="red">'''With the advent of new game updates, users are requested to allow some time for the game and community to adjust to these changes ''before'' suggesting alterations.'''</font>
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|'''Description:''' Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.
== How To Make a Suggestion ==
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====Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)====
====Format for Suggestions under development====
 
Please use this template for discussion. Copy all the code in the box below, click [edit] to the right of the header
"'''[[Developing Suggestions#Suggestions|Suggestions]]'''", paste the copied text '''above''' the other suggestions, and replace the text shown here in <span style="color: red">red</span> with the details of your suggestion.
 
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===</nowiki><font color="red">Suggestion</font><nowiki>===
{{suggestionNew
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|suggest_scope=</nowiki><font color="red">Who or what it applies to.</font><nowiki>
|suggest_description=</nowiki><font color="red">Full description. Check spelling and be descriptive.</font><nowiki>
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====Discussion (</nowiki><font color="red">Suggestion Name</font><nowiki>)====
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====Cycling Suggestions====
Developing suggestions that appear to have been abandoned (i.e. two days or longer without any new edits) will be given a warning for deletion. If there are no new edits it will be deleted seven days following the last edit.
 
This page is prone to breaking when there are too many templates or the page is too long, so sometimes a suggestion still under strong discussion will be moved to the [[Developing Suggestions/Overflow1|Overflow]]-page, where the discussion can continue between interested parties.
:'''The following suggestions are currently on the Overflow page:''' ''No suggestions are currently in overflow''.
 
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<span style="font-size:1.5em"><font color="red">'''Please add new suggestions to the top of the list.'''</font></span>
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===Shrink the map===
==Suggestions==
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|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
===Spurn skill===
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{{suggestionNew
|'''Type:''' Map change
|suggest_time=[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 11:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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|suggest_type=Skill mechanics
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
|suggest_scope=everyone
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|suggest_description=
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
For dedicated survivors who avoid zombie skills (and dedicated zombies who avoid survivor skills) as a mark of loyalty.
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====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
In the "Buy Skills" page, in addition to the "Buy this skill" button, there would additionally be a "Spurn this skill" button.<br />
Spurning a skill:
*Costs the same as buying that skill
*Increases your character's level, just as buying the skill would.  This will be reflected in the [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html game stats], e.g. you group's rating will increase.
*Does '''not''' grant your character the abilities associated with the skill
*Means your character can '''never''' acquire the corresponding skill
*Would be applicable to all skills except Brain Rot
*Would follow the normal rules for subskills/prerequisites, e.g. you must spurn Advanced Pistol Training before Pistol Training, Advanced Shotgun Training before Shotgun Training, and all 4 before spurning Basic Firearms Training.
 
Optional features (I'm not 100% sure about these)
*Can be used on skills you already have (permanently forfeiting the ability without changing your level.)  (This is why I exclude Brain Rot.)
 
Examples of use
*Simply advertising that you are a dedicated survivor (e.g. spurning Ransack, Feeding Drag etc but still buying Lurching Gait and Ankle Grab)
*Making the game more of a challenge (playing a survivor who can never acquire any zombie skills, including Lurching Gait and Ankle Grab)
*Declaring loyalty to a group that disapproves of certain skills, e.g. firearms skills for groups like [[Axes High]]
*Advertising a personal opinion that a particular skill is harmful, e.g. none of my [[Mrh Cow]] characters have Knife Proficiency even though they can all afford it - it's mostly useful for PKing/GKing not for helping the survivor cause.
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Spurn skill)====
I kind of like it, but this really isn't useful, you can achieve pretty much the same effect with just not buying it (except for levels, but you will have more XP so it balances out) and worst of all, it locks people into the zombie/survivor fundamentalist mindsets. '''Embrace the truth! Dual nature is the only true way!''' --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:As Mid. I'm not against it, it just seems a tad... ''pointless''. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think you would have to have a fundamentalist mindset already to use this.  There are already dual nature characters, fundamentalist dedicated survivors etc.  This suggestion is not about encouraging a particular style of play, its more about advertising your chosen style to other players, for those who are already sure they are never going to buy the skills.  I also think levels matter, including their effect on the game stats. --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 12:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:#People who ''don't'' have their skills spurned would be targeted as "spies." A ''lot'' of people play dual nature, and this would hurt them in the long run, as well as people who play rotted survivors (yes they exist.)
:#Levels ''don't'' matter. A level 26 survivor (all survivor skills+scent death+ankle grab,) is equivalent in usefulness to the survivor cause as a level 41 survivor. The game stats? Yeah, you might have a point there, I'll give you that, but gameplay wise, after level 26 (for humans) and level 22 (for zombies,) levels ''don't matter''.
:#This won't change a thing to do with "fundamentalism"- a level 41 "pro survivor" will still be a pro-survivor, not mattering his skills do anything or not. It will just lead to people without this (namely death cultists and pkers, as well as dual naturists) being '''OMG SPAIS!!!!''' in many people's eyes.  
::{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Re #1: Those who play rotted survivors for the challenge might actually benefit from this, as they could plausibly claim they were dedicated survivors by showing that they had spurned Ransack (and possibly some other zombie skills.) As it stands it's difficult to convince people of this if you have Brain Rot.
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===Cars===
===Action Points===
{{suggestionNew
{|
|suggest_time=[[User:Allan Smiles|Allan Smiles]] 11:50, 31 January 2009
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
|suggest_type=Cover
|-
|suggest_scope=Survivors
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
|suggest_description= Wait! Before you put down that this suggestion is under the frequently suggested ideas, read this. I don't think this is a dupe, but tell me if it is, please.('''I am NOT suggesting that you should be able to drive cars!''')
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|'''Scope:''' Everyone
I think that in a city, it is silly to think that there wouldn't be any cars parked in streets or carparks. So, my proposition is that cars should be implemented into the game. Their purpose could be a short-term use for cover.
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|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
Say that you are lost and running low on action points. You could collapse at any moment with fatigue. A car is perfect for that little boost of APs. If there is a car on the street where you are or the carpark, you can attempt to enter it. Once inside, you are free to rest a few hours.
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====Discussion (Action Points)====
My idea is that the punishment cars can take are sort of like barricades for buildings. There are a few different types of cars I thought up.
 
A Pick-up Truck-Pretty good damage, probably about the equivalent to a very strongly barricaded.
 
A Sport Utility Vehicle-Can take the best punishment of all the cars, probably the equivalent to very heavily barricaded.
 
A convertable-Pretty weak, the equivalent to lightly barricaded.
 
(The weaker the car, the more common it is to find on the street.)
 
If the doors to the car aren't locked, then zombies with the memory of life skill can open the car doors. If, by chance, zombie(s) get into the car, either by bashing it until it is open or merely opening the unlocked doors, they must drag the person out of the car to attack them.
 
When you are looking at a car, when you are ingame and a car is on the same street as you, it'll look somewhat like this:
"You are on (whatever street you are on) you notice a Sport Utility Vehicle/Convertable/Pick-up Truck.
 
If you are a survivor. It costs 1 AP to approach the car, 1 AP to try the handle, 1 AP to enter and 1 AP to lock the doors. If a survivor is inside the car and it is locked, you will get a message after trying the doors saying that the doors are locked. Alternatively, if a survivor is inside the car and it isn't locked, you can use 1 AP to pull the survivor out of the car.
 
If you are a zombie. It is pretty much the same, except if the door is locked, you have to bash it until the car is no longer able to keep the survivor safe, then it costs 3 AP to pull them out.
 
You can notice if you approach the car and it is damaged enough to not be able to protect survivors. If it is, possibly a person with construction can repair the car to full hitpoints for 10 AP.
 
I apologize for the length. This seems pretty obvious, so if it is a dupe, I again apologize for waisting your time.
 
 
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Cars)====
It is a dupe, sorry. But I CBAed to find it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Hell I had the idea a few months ago.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 
Have seen a few variations of this so it is a dupe... It also ignores the fact that while the structure of cars vary in toughness they all have windscreens which would never count as heavy barricades. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 
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===Contaminated Needle===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:I AM TARA|I AM TARA]] 18:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type=equipment
|suggest_scope=revivers and people getting revived
|suggest_description=Using a revive syringe that was found instead of manufactured comes with a risk of giving the revived person an infection (assuming they weren't already infected when they died). I've been on hiatus for a while so I'm not sure if has changed, but I used to search for needles instead of making them myself so I guess this would deter this kind of action. |discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Contaminated Needle)====
Kind of makes sense, but this is just too harsh, especially to newbies. It could be reasoned that the syringes are hermetically sealed (including the found ones) and are taken out only when you use them. Besides, it's not like you're finding them in the streets, you find them in a lab environment. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 19:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:What he said. Creative, nice idea in theory. But I think it's too cruel in practice. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 
You might go with a CHANCE of it happening, not automatic.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 
No need to change needle mechanics, they work just fine as it is --[[User:Diablor1|Diablor1]] 22:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
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===Free Running Edit===
===Drone===
{{suggestionNew
{|
|suggest_time=[[User:Chuckiferd|Chuckiferd]] 04:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Rule Change
|-
|suggest_scope=Survivors with Freerunning
|'''Type:''' Survivor Item
|suggest_description=I propose that survivors be *unable* to freerun out of ruined buildings, as currently they can.
|-
 
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
My reasoning behind this is it would open up a new tactic for long term seiges, pro-survivor zombies could ransack adjacent buildings to help prevent parachuting zombies.  Of course pro-zombie survivors could repair the buildings up, so it is not really that biased or unfair.  Organized use of this tactic could make a "fort" out of any building or group of buildings.  On the other hand, zombies could apply the same tactic to cut the survivors off from any help or support.
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|discussion=|}}
|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
====Discussion (Free Running Edit)====
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====Discussion (Drone)====
 
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 
Erm, you're saying people should be ''trapped'' inside buildings? As much as I'd like to support this given the current zombie-survivor ratio, it's really too much. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:-I am saying that they should be "trapped" inside *ruined* buildings.  In any case survivors left after 5 ransackings would be an extreme case, and most likely the barricades would be down.  But the real purpose would be to give survivors a tactic against zombies who will sneak in as humans, and give zombies an ability to cut areas off from outside support.[[User:Chuckiferd|Chuckiferd]] 05:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)  (could someone help me fix this, I can't seem to get it)
:How could you be trapped? A zombie can't ruin a building if there are survivors inside and if the building is ruined you can't free run into it. If the building is over VSB you can't enter it and if it is at VSB or below you can just leave. I've just woken up so I might have missed something, but it seems like if you could get inside, you could get out as well. You just couldn't use ruins as entry points. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::This makes no sense. Either Free Running simply doesn't function, and if you move you find yourself outside -- in which case it's not much different than the status quo, just adds AP to the process (and this is a dupe). Or, you actually are '''trapped''' inside, in which case you've created a death trap -- not a form of "protection" ... And a form of fucking with my AP, i.e., griefing... Ergo, totally spam... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Also, what Midian said: buildings can't be ruined if there are survivors inside. Therefore, the only time this would even work is if a) the cades were VSB++ or lower (and why would you enter if you know you'd be trapped??) or b) someone makes a pinata and a revifying corpse who was already in there stands up. In either case, it's nonsensical suggestion that doesn't work within the game's mechanics. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 18:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you need to re-read the suggestion. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::The suggestion just says you would be unable to freerun out of the building, it doesn't mention freerunning in and it doesn't mention normal movement so I would guess that this just turns freerunning off if you are inside a ruined building, just like it stops working when you are a zombie --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, all the zombies would have to do is get the barricades at VSB and ''then'' send a parachuter in. I don't think parachuters are common enough to justify ever using this as a defence. This would cut off help for survivors and thus drastically shorten sieges, and break free running lanes much more severely than the current ruin does. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Gas Siphoner===
===Backpack===
{{suggestionNew
{|
|suggest_time={{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 23:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Skill + Item
|-
|suggest_scope=Survivors
|'''Type:''' New item
|suggest_description=This does two things to the game. Firstly, it adds Empty Fuel Cans to the game, with the same stats as a regular fuel can, only you can't use it to fuel up generators.
|-
 
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
Secondly, it adds the skill Gas Siphoner to the Civilian skill list. This does three things:
|-
*At ''gas stations'' or ''auto repairs'', the survivor can use the external gas pumps to fill up an empty fuel can for a 20AP cost. This must be done outside a powered station, in order to activate the pumps. However, there is a 10% chance of you spilling gas on yourself.
|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
*At ''carparks'' or ''streets'', the survivor can siphon gas from abandoned cars. It only costs 15 AP here, but only has a 30% chance of working at either of these locations. Plus, there is a 20% chance of you spilling gas on yourself in the process. To review:
:Gas Station/Auto Repair
:*100% success rate
:*20AP cost
:*10% chance of spilling gas on yourself
:Carpark/Street
:*30% success rate
:*15AP cost
:*20% chance of spilling gas on yourself
*You no longer automatically discard fuel cans when used, as you now have a use for the empty can.
 
In-game messages would read:
*When filling up a gas can from a pump: ''You operate the gas pump and fill the can.''
*When filling up a gas can from a pump (spilling): ''You operate the gas pump and fill the can, but accidentally spill gas on youself in the process''
*When siphoning gas from a parked car (success): ''You siphon gas from an abandoned car, filling the can.''
*When siphoning gas from a parked car (failure, spilling): ''You go to siphon gas from a car, but fail, spilling gas on yourself''
*When siphoning gas from a parked car (failure, not spilling): ''You go to siphon gas from a car, but end up empty-handed''
*When attempting to siphon gas without a fuel can: ''You need an empty fuel can in order to siphon gas.''
*When attempting to use a gas pump without a fuel can: ''You need an empty fuel can in order to use the pump.''
*When fueling a generator with the skill: ''You fuel the generator, keeping the empty can for later''
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Gas Siphoner)====
So, for ~10AP you can get a full fuel can regardless of the state of the suburb? Way overpowered. And aren't ''petrol'' stations Borehamwood-only? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 00:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:Technicality.  There are plenty of locations where one would possibly find fuel:  Auto Repair, Carpark, Junkyard, and Police Station. Possibly Factory, Fire Station, Fort, Power Station and Railway Station.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, I didn't know about the gas stations being only Borehamwood. I suppose for Malton and Monroeville that Auto Repairs would work in the place of the gas stations. As for the over-powered aspect, maybe I should up the cost to 20AP, just like the syringes? Oh, and I suppose the pumps might be knocked out of submission via. cutting the power.--{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 04:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 
You'll want to have a large failure rate, so it's worth the risk on ruined suburbs, but pointless in smaller ones. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe an increased AP cost will make searching more viable. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 04:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


What about the possiblity of, well, injury or getting splashed?  If your physically sucking the fuel out of a car's gas tank, there is the possiblity of accidentially swallowing some or getting the gas on your clothes.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]]
:Good point. I suppose that failed siphoning attempts could coat the player in fuel. How about a 50% chance of failure with spillage? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 04:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


This is just retarded. Search Autos and Factories like the rest of us. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?


''Comments above this line refer to version 1 of the suggestion. Version 2 is now up.'' --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 22:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


I like the changes you made for Version 2.  Seems much more balanced to me.  But the 30% in carparks seems really low by comparison.  Maybe 40%? --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 17:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


Why can't I syphon petrol from a running generator and make the building go dark? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?
:wll duh u'd gt elctrocuted.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Because that would open it up to abuse such as draining a near-empty generator to get an entire fuel can. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 07:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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===Jump from window===
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:Dr Rosenrosen|Dr Rosenrosen]] 19:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Interface
|suggest_scope=Anyone in a building
|suggest_description=When a Survivor jumps out of a window it shows upon all the other residents interface. Just like "A Zombie brought down the last of the barricades" shows.
"Dr Rosenrosen jumped out of a window." or
"Dr Rosenrosen jumped out of a window and plunged to a certain death." or
"Dr Rosenrosen couldn't take it anymore and jumped out of a window."


|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Jump from Window)====
{{SNRV|4}}


--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Please give your thoughts.


[[Suggestions/12th-Apr-2006#Sickening_Thump|Dupe]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 19:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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====Discussion (Backpack)====
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===Headphones===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:Robshadow27|Robshadow27]] 9:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Item
|suggest_scope=Survivors
|suggest_description=Spamming altogether has created an element of gameplay that some survivors are not fond of. Others wish for their younger children to be able to play, but choose not to because of constant radio broadcasts of vulgar language by those who wish only to annoy, and by passerby's harassing survivors huddling together in buildings. Therefore, I would like to propose an idea whereby survivors could mute the speech of other players by wearing headphones, which could be found at any mall in the Tech Store. Of course, like any other item, it would be necessary to search for the headphones, which would have a search rate of roughly 10 %.
Alternately, instead of a search function, headphones could be worn in place of a hat, in which a survivor would either A)not hear any conversation, or B)hear only muffles, equivalent to a groan being heard. The text could read "You see <insert name here> talking, but only hear muffles behind your headphones." This would eliminate the problem of encumbrance, if that were to become an issue.
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Headphones)====
Radio Spam is a pain in the ass but such an action to filter language for children who may play would deprive them of the many benefits talking has... In any event, any child mature enough to want to play a zombie game has probably heard more bad words in the playground than they will hear in game so I am not really sure that this is worth programming. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:I see where you're coming from but the more i think about it the less useful it seems. What about offensive graffiti or profile names? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I actually like this. I think this is the first suggestion of the year that I do like. We have a benefit (removal of messages that may offend) for a downside (ability to hear helpful speech removed). I'd prefer the item to be an findable item rather than a clothing slot, only for the reason that all clothing slots should be flavour only, with no implied use.
The problem is where to find them. For their intended purpose they'd have to be found first, meaning the cute kiddies that this is meant to help would still be subject to the 'bad' words until they do find them.
The only foolproof way to manage this is to put an age bracket on the signup screen, giving all players 15 and under this as a bonus item automatically (players aged 16 and over would start as normal). The item could then be found by all players at certain locations in the game should they choose to gain the item. A small encumbrance penalty, say 2%, would be fair. Limiting it to mall tech stores is flawed, add in buildings, clubs and junkyards and this might actually work. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I find it disturbing that you're worried about "vulgar language" in a game that involves:
* lots of [[blood]],
* zombies killing survivors,
* survivors killing zombies,
* [[ZKer|zombies killing zombies]],
* (and most importantly) [[PKer|survivors killing survivors]] (ie. <big><span style="color: darkred">'''MURDER'''</span></big>).
To fix that, I'd suggest another item to complement the headphones: <span style="color: pink">'''Candy-Lensed Safety Goggles'''</span>. For the wearer they'd turn all weapons into {{wikipedia|NERF}}, melee attacks into hugging and kissing, infection into cooties, blood into lemonade, zombies into hares, and survivors into rabbits. Damage would be called "nuggets of joy" (as in: {{udspan|a hare hugged you for 3 nuggets of joy}}) and dying would be called "fainting from happiness". And the interface would be pink. And the game would be called Urban Lagomorphs. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
::What would all the skills be renamed to, and repurposed to do? I'm genuinely interested now. I l(-ed)ol.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd play that game. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 16:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... maybe 8 year olds shouldn't be playing UD. However, if you do have your children playing, and you're concerned about the content -- follow what all the advice on good parenting says, and ''play with your kids'', don't leave them unsupervised -- and then try to nerf the game for the adult majority because you CBAed to supervise your kids.
::As for spam... sheeesh, who's making you read it? Why doesn't it bother me? Or, how about this: leave the safety of green wanker suburbs 00 which is where all the spam happens, anyway -- and go help where it's needed. Less spam. More impact.
::That out of the way... The mechanic of this does more to discourage survivor organisation and encourage the undirected, individualistic trenchcoater playing style than anything I have seen in ages. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Dupe of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_Equipment_New#Ear_Plugs Ear Plugs] specifically.  Also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_UI:_Main_Screen#Ignore_Certain_Types_Of_Message Ignore Certain Types of Messages].  As for the age thing, he just, perhaps, needs a disclaimer on the main page.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I actually don't have a problem at all with the radio broadcasts, and receiving all types of noises and communications. I enjoy the spamming for what it is. I really only felt like submitting this idea to actually get an idea out here, to learn the process, and because there are others in my group who are concerned for their children. I believe that it is really up to the parents to deal with the implications of playing a game such as this, as it does have a good deal of violence. I thank you all for your comments, and I will also think harder on these ideas for the next time. Also, thank you Pesayel for pointing out the dupe. That was my fault for not searching thoroughly enough.--[[User:Robshadow27|Robshadow27]] 06:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's not problem, that's the point of the page.  Finding dupes isn't that easy and there is nothing wrong with representing an idea.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 07:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
If the radio broadcasts bother you, then don't carry a radio.  As far as "vulgar passersby" (which I've neither heard of nor encountered)... add them to your contact list and then change their dropdown to 'ignore contact'.  That's what it's there for. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 17:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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===Flare Accuracy Increase===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time={{User:Yungblood/Sig}} 23:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type= Zombie Hunter Skill
|suggest_scope=Flare Gun Accuracy, which means survivors I guess
|suggest_description= ''Decorated Malton survivors are now becoming more accurate when firing a flare gun at a target.''
Logically, at the distance you have to be at to effectively hit a target with a shotgun, the proximity would have to be pretty close. So, shooting at you target with a flare gun wouldn't be too hard, but the room for error would still be large.
My suggestion is simple, increase flare gun accuracy by means of a new zombie hunter skill:
''Flare Experience- Player gets +5% to hit with a flare gun.''
I chose 5% because i believe anything over 5% would be too overpowering. This wouldn't make a flare gun a primary weapon for someone to use, but it would make it a little more useful when ammunition is low and you happen to have a surplus of flares.
'''P.S. I'm horribly at finding dupe suggestions, so I'm sorry if there already is one like this.'''
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Flare Accuracy Increase)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Survivors already have really nifty things called Pistols and Shotguns. Flares are supposed to amazingly inaccurate, that's the whole point. However, they deal 15 HP of damage if they hit -- and 30 HP (!!!) if you hit someone with fuel-soaked clothing. Firearms don't need buffing, including Flares. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Flares are a novelty weapon-the point is that they are so amazingly inaccurate (as Wan said,) that they are useless except in a randomly find and then use environment. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
:Actually for rank newbs, their high variance makes them better than firearms. For real. But, yeah, they'e not meant to be accurate, that's the point. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Improving flare accuracy actually runs the risk of making them the best weapon in the game. That and it's the only competent weapon with multiple uses. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
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===Find faces in a crowd===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time={{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Interface
|suggest_scope=People in crowded buildings
|suggest_description=It's logical to assume that it would be easier to recognize people you already know in a crowded building. In short, people who you have added to your contact list will appear on a separate list below "list names"-similar to the message that shows you recognize zombies in a horde. A quick check finds no dupes, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
It would look a bit like this:
<div align="left" style="border: 4px solid #445544; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; color: #ffffff; font-face: Trebuchet MS, Verdana; background-color: #556655; font-family: Trebuchet MS, Verdana"><font color="#bbccbb"><p style="text-align: left; background-color: #667766"><font size="3">You are inside St George's Hospital, dark corridors leading through abandoned wards. The floor and walls are marked with splashes of blood. The doors to the street have been secured. There is a crowd of 71 survivors gathered here. <nowiki>[list names]. You recognize </nowiki> '''<span style="color:#009000">Boots the Monkey</span>''', '''<span style="color:#009000">Mightyoak</span>''', '''<span style="color:#009000">Violet Begonia</span>''' and '''<span style="color:#009000">mere bystander</span>''' in the crowd.</font><br><br></p><font size="3"></font></font></div>
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Find faces in a crowd)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Tear apart when ready. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I hate you. Because you thought of this, and I didn't.... IMNSHO this is a fantastic idea! As long as it applies across the board to zombies as well, then I love it! And hate ''you''... ;P --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
This is great. Save the IP hits :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering why I couldn't but never put much thought into it. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 06:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Simplicty itself. Of course, contacts you recognize among the survivors should be seperate from the contacts you recognize among the zombies. The two "recognition lists" should follow the total numbers of humans and zombies, respectively. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 07:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
How does this affect the order of precedence?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 07:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I could have sworn I'd seen this before. Turns out I had, and it ended up in [[Suggestion:20080410 "survivors gathered" Recognize Contacts|Peer Reviewed]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not surprising-I was surprised I didn't find it in my search. Thanks. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::No probs! I just [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Search?ns102=1&search=recognise&searchx=Search searched the Suggestion namespace for "recognise"]. What can I say? I have search kung fu. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Props===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 22:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type=Improvement
|suggest_scope=Clothing
|suggest_description=This is a clothing suggestion, but I'm posting it here because it's to suggest a new slot of clothing instead of a single garment.
Clothes are designed to act like costumes, correct? If you're a doctor wear a labcoat, etc. Playing soldier? Wear dogtags. But part of a costume is what you're holding. Since people can't see your inventory, I suggest adding a new clothing slot for a prop.
What is a prop? It's something you hold. It could include stuff like:
A purse. Guitar. Backpack. Flags. Walking stick. Cane. Flute. Boxing gloves. Flowers. Candy bar. Swiss army multitool. Mirror. Sleeping bag. Manila envelope. Polaroid camera. Etc.
Props would be the same as clothing. You wouldn't search for them but instead add them to your profile in select buildings. Just like clothing they'd have no in game effect, and they'd get bloodied and damaged each time you're killed. There would be no props that overlap with actual items (so no fire axe prop).
Zombies would be able to select one prop, but just like clothing after that they'd need to get revived to get new props. This seems like an obvious suggestion, so if you can find a dupe please let me know.
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Props)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to the idea, but there is a significant factor your neglecting.  Most players have a weapon in hand.  Would it mean you'd be able to see what weapon someone is using?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:No, weapons wouldn't be props. You wouldn't see anyone's inventory at any point. The idea is more about the thematic trademark possession your character might carry rather than weapons. Stuff like a cane, a cigar, or a purse. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 07:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
There are just so many possibilities to cover. Too many. Just put it in your character description. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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===Construction Worker===
{{suggestionNew
|suggest_time=[[User:Corinthias|Corinthias]] 22:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
|suggest_type=New class
|suggest_scope=Survivors
|suggest_description=There are many kinds of people that escape a post-apocalyptic zombiefied world, and no one has considered the working class. I suggest a new class of civilian, the construction worker, who starts with:
*the construction skill
*a toolbox.
Naturally, this is a hard character to level up, as you don't gain experience with the construction skill. In itself, it balances out to being a skill that novice and beginner classes would have difficulty leveling up with, and experienced players would still have a rough time.
|discussion=|}}
====Discussion (Construction Worker)====
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The problem is that survivors could create lots of level 1 characters just to repair ruined buildings. All those 80+ AP ruins out there? A survivor could create a throwaway character to patch it up. I think this has been suggested before. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 22:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
This has been suggested many times before and spammed out for the above reason. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:What the above two said-mostly zerging issues, and we don't need ''another'' useless starting class {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
First, there is [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/PR_Class_New:_Survivor_%26_Zombie#Science:_Engineer this] already in Peer Review.  Then we had [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestions/1st-Apr-2006#Construction_Worker this] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestions/13th-Apr-2007#Construction_Worker this].  That was just searching for "constructio worker".  The game really doesn't need new classes since th are all, roughly, the same by level 6 anyway.  Plus, this is just zerge bait.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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==Suggestions up for voting==
*[[Suggestion:20090202 Show How Long People Have Been In Their Group]] is up for voting. Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20090202 Show How Long People Have Been In Their Group|here]] {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
*[[Suggestion:20090201 Scent Enemy]] is up for voting. Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20090201 Scent Enemy|here]] {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
*[[Suggestion:20090201 Radio transmitters in more places]] is up for voting. Discussion moved to [[Suggestion talk:20090201 Radio transmitters in more places|here]] {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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Ignore based on Radio Broadcast

Timestamp: Khwud (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Type: UI enhancement
Scope: Interface
Description: Allow 'ignore' from radio broadcasts; users are hiding behind their anonymity to allow them to broadcast things that would broadly trigger them to be ignored, if their user ID was visible. Adding their name, or an auto-generated call-sign (it is for a radio, after all) or something so that they could be blocked based on their broadcasts would help user experience. In addition, and broadcasts that get more than a threshold number could get tagged for review, and the user potentially having their (in-game) ham-license revoked.

Discussion (Ignore based on Radio Broadcast)

Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

Discussion (Shrink the map)

Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

Discussion (Action Points)

Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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