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:::It's quite simple. Im sure you have resources available to verify independantly the stories of folks like officer 666. If its factual, then there is no harm in it, provided it keeps a neutral (you know, the N part in NPOV) standpoint (read: doesnt editorialise, stray off topic, or bring any kind of opinion into the equation), then why shouldnt it be allowed to stand? I was fairly sure that roleplaying was encouraged, and if there is no bias in the posts, then why not let it stand. A little flavour goes a long way to making an otherwise boring entry into something worth reading. If there is any serious opposition towards keeping journal-style roleplaying posts off the suburb news, then someone should make a motion and vote on it, so that there is no room for interpretation or argument on the matter. On the flip-side of this, however, is that if an entry fails to keep a NPOV by failing one of the few criteria on the above checklist, then it isnt considered NPOV, and thus should be either edited to reflect an NPOV, or removed entirely until a replacement can be written down. I'm not here to boil down to specific cases, but instead respond to the original staement of "There is no accurate and definitive step-by-step guide to dealing with POV suburb news", and to point out the unneccessary red tape being spun that impedes a tidy wiki article. There is a difference between making a worthwhile and interesting post, and making a biased slant towards another person or group in game or out of it, and this is what i think has been lost in wikilawyering and red tape by quite a few of the admins. It's a lot simpler than people make it out to be, that's all. Is that a little clearer? -- [[User:DeRathi|DeRathi]] 12:20am 22 April 2011 (AEST) | :::It's quite simple. Im sure you have resources available to verify independantly the stories of folks like officer 666. If its factual, then there is no harm in it, provided it keeps a neutral (you know, the N part in NPOV) standpoint (read: doesnt editorialise, stray off topic, or bring any kind of opinion into the equation), then why shouldnt it be allowed to stand? I was fairly sure that roleplaying was encouraged, and if there is no bias in the posts, then why not let it stand. A little flavour goes a long way to making an otherwise boring entry into something worth reading. If there is any serious opposition towards keeping journal-style roleplaying posts off the suburb news, then someone should make a motion and vote on it, so that there is no room for interpretation or argument on the matter. On the flip-side of this, however, is that if an entry fails to keep a NPOV by failing one of the few criteria on the above checklist, then it isnt considered NPOV, and thus should be either edited to reflect an NPOV, or removed entirely until a replacement can be written down. I'm not here to boil down to specific cases, but instead respond to the original staement of "There is no accurate and definitive step-by-step guide to dealing with POV suburb news", and to point out the unneccessary red tape being spun that impedes a tidy wiki article. There is a difference between making a worthwhile and interesting post, and making a biased slant towards another person or group in game or out of it, and this is what i think has been lost in wikilawyering and red tape by quite a few of the admins. It's a lot simpler than people make it out to be, that's all. Is that a little clearer? -- [[User:DeRathi|DeRathi]] 12:20am 22 April 2011 (AEST) | ||
::::Also, i find it amusing that spiderzed has to take potshots at goons, as though they are the single sole driving force behind wiki vandalism everywhere. If you let preconceptions cloud your judgements then you wont be doing the best job you can be. It also smacks of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theories, to be perfectly honest, but that is just my personal opinion. -- [[User:DeRathi|DeRathi]] 12:23am 22 April 2011 (AEST) | ::::Also, i find it amusing that spiderzed has to take potshots at goons, as though they are the single sole driving force behind wiki vandalism everywhere. If you let preconceptions cloud your judgements then you wont be doing the best job you can be. It also smacks of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theories, to be perfectly honest, but that is just my personal opinion. -- [[User:DeRathi|DeRathi]] 12:23am 22 April 2011 (AEST) | ||
::::Woah! Wall of text much! Most of which appears to have sod all to do with me or my original query. I suggest you talk to the wiki sysadmins or someone big and important about your concerns about red tape etc. or at least someone who has some influence around here, you know. For the record, I don't consider DHPD Officer 666's reports to be remotely factual, however since he seems to have stopped submitting them, the question has become academic. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 15:33, 21 April 2011 (BST) | |||
::::It occurs to me that maybe you've mistaken me for someone important. Sorry, but I'm not. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 15:34, 21 April 2011 (BST) | |||
:::::Neutrality != boring writing style. Both are completely unrelated things, and haven't been brought up at all. I have no idea how you managed to read that in that response, young fellah.<br>As for goons, I'm not here to take "potshots". As long as you stay clear of the few rules we actually have, I could hardly care less about you guys. Rather, the response was meant to debate arbies as a potential solution, and why it probably won't work in the DMZ suburbs case. (But yes, I suspect Officer666 to be related to the recent goons incursion. But I also suspect the goons aren't a monolithic bloc, as proven [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Dunell_Hills&action=historysubmit&diff=1870561&oldid=1870532 here] as a confirmed goon mangles 666's POV garbage.) --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:51, 21 April 2011 (BST) | |||
== Re: Thanks == | |||
Hey, no problem! I like to play for the underdog as a rule, and that happens to be the harmans right now. Besides, I feel it's mean-spirited to go around shooting people with how tough it is to be a survivor at the moment. Making sure the game doesn't break because one side is wiped out takes priority right now, although I gotta say I haven't had this much fun in UD in a long time. It's a proper zombie apocalypse now! {{User:Aphelion/sig}} 05:08, 14 May 2011 (BST) | |||
:Yeah, it's a lot easier to get a revive if you have a group. I had a couple of my accounts trying to be unaffiliated survivors, but they got killed and haven't been able to get a revive, so I kind of abandoned them again. The problem with sleeping in ruins is that even if you pick a smart building, if there are zombies around, you WILL get found sooner or later. The ones in groups are doing fine, though. Been clearing lots of RPs, which is good. What is DHPD up to these days, anyway? {{User:Aphelion/sig}} 19:26, 14 May 2011 (BST) | |||
== a-HEM == | |||
I heard you were saying bad things about my CAPTCHA, so [http://soc.aichon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=200&p=10415#p10415 I got rid of it]. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:25, 2 August 2011 (BST) | |||
: :D It did take me five attempts to get an account on your forum!!! {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 08:43, 3 August 2011 (BST) | |||
::o_O I have to say, I have serious doubts about your humanity. You might just be a very clever bot in disguise. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:07, 3 August 2011 (BST) | |||
:::I'm sure you are not the first person to hold that suspicion. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 17:09, 3 August 2011 (BST) | |||
== I am somewhat saddened… == | |||
…that you left DHPD. Because now there's only one person (OK, ''maybe'' two people?) there that I can talk to without wanting to go on a rampage. | |||
Oh, well. ''C'est la vie.'' It's probably better this way. | |||
I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation(s) and encounter(s) both in- and out-of-game, and there are not many I'll say that about. Don't be a stranger? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 18:58, 6 May 2012 (BST) |
Latest revision as of 17:59, 6 May 2012
Linkage breakage
Hi Louise. I'm about to request a speedy delete for the misspelled Dunnel Hills Police Department page. Wanted to let you know so you could repair the link on your user page. -- Atticus Rex AMP ' T 06:38, 26 October 2006 (BST)
- You're very welcome. Any friend of the Doctor (even the First Doctor) is a friend of mine. -- Atticus Rex AMP ' T 23:20, 26 October 2006 (BST)
FoD Kills
Yeap, never killed a DHPD. I came a few months after the DHPD battles, so I missed the war, and of course since then there's the alt issues. I just keep satisfied by hunting Fox's alt :P -- Peter McGrady FoD 13:27, 4 May 2009 (BST)
Warrent Appeal: LT Potter
Ok seriously this is starting to bug me a little. Some guys keep coming to my home at The Edson Building and saying that I'm going to die, or in the name of the DHPD they plan to kill me.
Now normally I don't give a care... but they are coming into my HOME! I ask that you please drop the warrant on my head. I don't even interact with you guys anymore anyway. So please... just drop The Death mark on me... if you want you can keep an APB, but other wise... for the love of god... STOP THE FEAR! --Ltpotter 16:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- The DHPD are nowhere near the Edson Building and I assure you that your attackers are nothing to do with us. I shouldn't worry too much, it sounds like they are all talk and no action. If we were seriously interested in pursuing your warrant outside the DMZ we wouldn't be flouncing about making threats. However, get me some profile links and, better yet! some Iwitness or UDwitness records - and I'll APB them for impersonation, without that there's nothing we can do Louise 16:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Support the Cause
The Dunell Hills Liberation Army needs some help. Would you want to help us? we could also become allies? Pull some strikes and counter attacks to get Dunell back on its feet? We arn't big but we can fight. and we need support. just write on the dunell hills liberation army page to tell me your answer, yay or nay. --Vlace 22:23, 17 April 2010 (BST) Captain Vlace
- We're always happy for new allies. Can I suggest that you drop by our forums ([www.dhpd.tk]) and introduce yourself and we'll give you ally status. Do you guys have a forum too? We'll try to fix up a liaison person to there as well. Incidentally apologies if this all takes a little time, our main liaison person's a little tied up for the next week or two Purple Cat ~ DHPD 21:15, 18 April 2010 (BST)
Communications
Would it be ok if I dropped by your forum to discuss?--Belisarius17 03:35, 16 June 2010 (BST)
- No problem. Post on the forum and request access. I've told the admins you'll be coming. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 13:27, 16 June 2010 (BST)
- Thanks will be there in a few hours.--Belisarius17 17:05, 16 June 2010 (BST)
Dunell Hills Police Department/Most Wanted/UDTList
Still Need it? Its unlinked. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:18, 19 October 2010 (BST)
- Keep for now, if you don't mind. The various UD Tool lists are on my "to do" list for sorting out. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 21:28, 19 October 2010 (BST)
Mark Wright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN4YMli-Esw
>;o)
--Papa Moloch 01:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- You would prefer I based the character more closely on you? I felt a little bad using `Lord Moloch' as it was, but the opportunity seemed too good to miss. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 09:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
You're welcome. We're here to protect and to serve, ha. Also good luck with your endeavors against the Dead. Just keep the hostilities in-game :P -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:48, 9 April 2011 (BST)
POV Suburb News
There is no accurate and definitive step-by-step guide to dealing with POV suburb news - a lot of it boils down to sensitivity and guts instinct.
Generally, use the least invasive method that is required and adequate. Posting factual rebuttals under the news entry is the least invasive method and can be used if there are inaccuracies or misjudgements. If an entry hasn't any factual base to build on, but is solely POV garbage, move the news entry to the talk page (as evidenced here or here). Reserve outright removal and A/VB reporting to clear-cut cases of vandalism.
Finally, if there are particular users with who you regularly end up in editing conflicts, you can also consider arbitration. However, the goons could easily work around them by using meatpuppets who aren't affected by arbies. Additionally, arbies tend to be lengthy procedures going on for weeks, and they often require an unhealthy dose of wiki lawyering, rule citing and precedent citing to get out of them what you want. They'd be only worth it if you can single out users who you definitively want to see restrained, and if it matters enough to you to deal with the inevitable drama of arbies. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:15, 15 April 2011 (BST)
- Conspiracy theories ITT. How about people try not to slag off other people/groups in suburb news.. you know, keep it NPOV (read: factual with no personal slants or opinions) and nobody should have trouble with it. It is not a hard concept to grasp. It's "Suburb NEWS" not "Suburb EDITORIAL" -- DeRathi 5:39am 21 April 2011 (AEST)
- So, should I take it that you feel we should leave the comments of DHPD Officer 666 and Officer Alcoholic in place unchallenged (which is what I asked spiderzed about)? Because otherwise I can't interpret your statement at all. Presumably you believe their reports to be valid NPOV and not the tissue of lies that we consider them to be and any interference with their reports would be considered imposing a DHPD "personal slant" upon the report. Just clarifying the position. I would hate to upset you guys. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 21:15, 20 April 2011 (BST)
- It's quite simple. Im sure you have resources available to verify independantly the stories of folks like officer 666. If its factual, then there is no harm in it, provided it keeps a neutral (you know, the N part in NPOV) standpoint (read: doesnt editorialise, stray off topic, or bring any kind of opinion into the equation), then why shouldnt it be allowed to stand? I was fairly sure that roleplaying was encouraged, and if there is no bias in the posts, then why not let it stand. A little flavour goes a long way to making an otherwise boring entry into something worth reading. If there is any serious opposition towards keeping journal-style roleplaying posts off the suburb news, then someone should make a motion and vote on it, so that there is no room for interpretation or argument on the matter. On the flip-side of this, however, is that if an entry fails to keep a NPOV by failing one of the few criteria on the above checklist, then it isnt considered NPOV, and thus should be either edited to reflect an NPOV, or removed entirely until a replacement can be written down. I'm not here to boil down to specific cases, but instead respond to the original staement of "There is no accurate and definitive step-by-step guide to dealing with POV suburb news", and to point out the unneccessary red tape being spun that impedes a tidy wiki article. There is a difference between making a worthwhile and interesting post, and making a biased slant towards another person or group in game or out of it, and this is what i think has been lost in wikilawyering and red tape by quite a few of the admins. It's a lot simpler than people make it out to be, that's all. Is that a little clearer? -- DeRathi 12:20am 22 April 2011 (AEST)
- Also, i find it amusing that spiderzed has to take potshots at goons, as though they are the single sole driving force behind wiki vandalism everywhere. If you let preconceptions cloud your judgements then you wont be doing the best job you can be. It also smacks of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theories, to be perfectly honest, but that is just my personal opinion. -- DeRathi 12:23am 22 April 2011 (AEST)
- Woah! Wall of text much! Most of which appears to have sod all to do with me or my original query. I suggest you talk to the wiki sysadmins or someone big and important about your concerns about red tape etc. or at least someone who has some influence around here, you know. For the record, I don't consider DHPD Officer 666's reports to be remotely factual, however since he seems to have stopped submitting them, the question has become academic. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 15:33, 21 April 2011 (BST)
- It occurs to me that maybe you've mistaken me for someone important. Sorry, but I'm not. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 15:34, 21 April 2011 (BST)
- Neutrality != boring writing style. Both are completely unrelated things, and haven't been brought up at all. I have no idea how you managed to read that in that response, young fellah.
As for goons, I'm not here to take "potshots". As long as you stay clear of the few rules we actually have, I could hardly care less about you guys. Rather, the response was meant to debate arbies as a potential solution, and why it probably won't work in the DMZ suburbs case. (But yes, I suspect Officer666 to be related to the recent goons incursion. But I also suspect the goons aren't a monolithic bloc, as proven here as a confirmed goon mangles 666's POV garbage.) -- Spiderzed█ 15:51, 21 April 2011 (BST)
- Neutrality != boring writing style. Both are completely unrelated things, and haven't been brought up at all. I have no idea how you managed to read that in that response, young fellah.
- It's quite simple. Im sure you have resources available to verify independantly the stories of folks like officer 666. If its factual, then there is no harm in it, provided it keeps a neutral (you know, the N part in NPOV) standpoint (read: doesnt editorialise, stray off topic, or bring any kind of opinion into the equation), then why shouldnt it be allowed to stand? I was fairly sure that roleplaying was encouraged, and if there is no bias in the posts, then why not let it stand. A little flavour goes a long way to making an otherwise boring entry into something worth reading. If there is any serious opposition towards keeping journal-style roleplaying posts off the suburb news, then someone should make a motion and vote on it, so that there is no room for interpretation or argument on the matter. On the flip-side of this, however, is that if an entry fails to keep a NPOV by failing one of the few criteria on the above checklist, then it isnt considered NPOV, and thus should be either edited to reflect an NPOV, or removed entirely until a replacement can be written down. I'm not here to boil down to specific cases, but instead respond to the original staement of "There is no accurate and definitive step-by-step guide to dealing with POV suburb news", and to point out the unneccessary red tape being spun that impedes a tidy wiki article. There is a difference between making a worthwhile and interesting post, and making a biased slant towards another person or group in game or out of it, and this is what i think has been lost in wikilawyering and red tape by quite a few of the admins. It's a lot simpler than people make it out to be, that's all. Is that a little clearer? -- DeRathi 12:20am 22 April 2011 (AEST)
- So, should I take it that you feel we should leave the comments of DHPD Officer 666 and Officer Alcoholic in place unchallenged (which is what I asked spiderzed about)? Because otherwise I can't interpret your statement at all. Presumably you believe their reports to be valid NPOV and not the tissue of lies that we consider them to be and any interference with their reports would be considered imposing a DHPD "personal slant" upon the report. Just clarifying the position. I would hate to upset you guys. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 21:15, 20 April 2011 (BST)
Re: Thanks
Hey, no problem! I like to play for the underdog as a rule, and that happens to be the harmans right now. Besides, I feel it's mean-spirited to go around shooting people with how tough it is to be a survivor at the moment. Making sure the game doesn't break because one side is wiped out takes priority right now, although I gotta say I haven't had this much fun in UD in a long time. It's a proper zombie apocalypse now! ~ AphelionT 05:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)
- Yeah, it's a lot easier to get a revive if you have a group. I had a couple of my accounts trying to be unaffiliated survivors, but they got killed and haven't been able to get a revive, so I kind of abandoned them again. The problem with sleeping in ruins is that even if you pick a smart building, if there are zombies around, you WILL get found sooner or later. The ones in groups are doing fine, though. Been clearing lots of RPs, which is good. What is DHPD up to these days, anyway? ~ AphelionT 19:26, 14 May 2011 (BST)
a-HEM
I heard you were saying bad things about my CAPTCHA, so I got rid of it. :) —Aichon— 01:25, 2 August 2011 (BST)
- :D It did take me five attempts to get an account on your forum!!! Purple Cat ~ DHPD 08:43, 3 August 2011 (BST)
- o_O I have to say, I have serious doubts about your humanity. You might just be a very clever bot in disguise. :P —Aichon— 09:07, 3 August 2011 (BST)
- I'm sure you are not the first person to hold that suspicion. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 17:09, 3 August 2011 (BST)
- o_O I have to say, I have serious doubts about your humanity. You might just be a very clever bot in disguise. :P —Aichon— 09:07, 3 August 2011 (BST)
I am somewhat saddened…
…that you left DHPD. Because now there's only one person (OK, maybe two people?) there that I can talk to without wanting to go on a rampage.
Oh, well. C'est la vie. It's probably better this way.
I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation(s) and encounter(s) both in- and out-of-game, and there are not many I'll say that about. Don't be a stranger? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:58, 6 May 2012 (BST)