Talk:Yagoton/Archive

Non-NPOV News Moved from main Suburb page

January 2011

January 15^th

Okay...I'm willing to admit it's actually dangerous here. Move along, people! <<edited by author to remove extraneous content>> Roberto Tomba 12:15, 15 January 2011 (EST)

If this is not done already by tomorrow, I'll move this complete conversation (including the previous posts) to the discussion page as non NPOV reports. It has nothing to do against you... It is simply because it doesn't really have to do with danger reports for Yagoton anymore and this section purpose is really not about small talk. You will of course be welcome to continue the conversation over there. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  06:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Point taken: I'm going to clear out the editorial comments, and leave the parts that are relevant (see my posts for modifications). Or, is it already too late? Roberto Tomba 14:06, 15 January 2011 (EST)

January 14^th

<<edited by author to remove extraneous content>> Things are getting worse, but it's still not that bad. But, there are more zeds now: the Holsgrove Row Police Department has 10 zombies outside, and the Thresh Grove School has 9. It seems that the shufflers don't like the word "grove" (Peterken Grove would be under siege, too, if it had a building on it). Not safe, but no unstoppable mobs, either. Roberto Tomba 12:31, 14 January 2011 (EST)

"dangerous - Zombies inside many resource buildings; OR hostile mobs of 50+." If you look at any of the recent TRP statuses they are almost all destroyed and the mall in the north is falling, and it looks like the last few TRPs standing will be next. Not to mention you have an active horde in the suburb which appears to contradict your claim that there are no unstoppable mobs as they've ruined everything they've attacked. This qualifies as dangerous. Please refrain from falsely downgrading again. -- Papa Jadkor ^{(RRF) (MotA) (MT11)} 14:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

RRF? A zombie group, you say? Have never heard of them. Have they ever thrashed a suburb or something like that?</sarcasm> -- Spiderzed▋ 15:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Falsely downgrading? How about falsely upgrading? If this suburb is dangerous then I am the Pope. The whole "suburb dangerous level" is a farce and it been so since the beginning I think. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  17:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

If you got a problem with the way the danger level is assessed take it up with the wiki people. Until it gets officially changed we all have to go by the current model, so it hasn't been falsely upgraded. -- Papa Jadkor ^{(RRF) (MotA) (MT11)} 18:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that the model used here is simply not up to date anymore. The most effective way of getting a suburb rid of zombies since a few updates ago is simply, as a survivor, allowing the zombies to take whatever building they want, wait until they tire up and get bored and leave and then rebuild. However, this is certainly not the place to start a conversation of this magnitude. As for the reports and taking it to the attention of the Wiki... Sorry, but there is more than only a few things which bother me a lot on this Wiki and about which I've bonked heads with other people. After all that, I don't really care enough to do more than look over my own turf. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  06:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

November 2010

November 25^th

Yagoton has been nothing more than a picnic site for zombies in the last week.--EveryTimeV 05:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

The next time you post something so ridiculous again, I'm going to edit out your comment and claim that it breach the NPOV. Yagoton is right now nothing more than a contested area in which barricaded buildings get breached every day, like any other suburb. If you don't want the zombies to "picnic" then simply move out: I haven't died a single time since the suburb got so called "red". -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  04:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I just moved out of Yagoton. It is in fact a shithole, and the "picnic site" comment is perfectly justified. 04:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I am sure that M. EveryTime neutral point of view has nothing to do with the fact that he is in fact part of a zombie group and that his very group also happens to be inside Yagoton right now.

Well, let me tell you this: my group has been in Yagoton since 5 years. And so am I. I don't know who give out those loosy suburb reports but if they are all as biased as this one then it is no wonder the map is so red. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  04:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

If you're sure that it's in a bad state then why the nonsense about POV? If his group happens to be in Yagoton right now, that makes him a perfect candidate to describe the burb, as he can actually see it. That's reporting, not bias. I moved from west Yagoton to Millen Hills a few hours ago and saw no lights, large groups of zeds, and very very few barricades. That says red to me. 04:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, just in case you didn't get it: I'm inside Yagoton too. In fact, that's the only thing my main do all day, moving around Yagoton. I have no contest that the suburb is right now a contested area... But to say that it is a picnic site for zombies is so far from the truth that I simply cannot take it otherwise than pure provocation. Thus: out of line with NPOV.

Let me give you a real report: Yagoton right now is in contest as organized zombies accumulate outside specific buildings and attack them soon after. And when they move out, the buildings get back to its barricaded condition soon after. Until the zombies come back again and ransack it again, completing the circle.

I could just as well tell you exactly which building are ruined and left standing in Yagoton, including the resource buildings... But that would be inviting those so neutral zombies to knock on those doors now, isn't? -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  05:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

No, seriously, I really really really struggle to see what isn't NPOV about this thing (and what is NPOV about your harsh rebuttals). Yagoton right now is a zombie's wet dream, everything's either smashed or being smashed. Even if a building does get put back together right away, the fact is that the zombie presence was strong enough when I looked today that it won't last long. That is a dangerous thing for survivors, not a safe thing. Calling the burb red or a picnic are both justifiable and fair. Screaming bias at something accurate and true isn't. 05:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah. The fact that I never even came close to being endangered by zombies and the fact that about a little less 3/4 of the suburb is on its feet, not to say that resource buildings are regularly up for survivors looking for supplies, sure make me agree with you.

For your information, I circle the whole suburb about 4 times a week and I've never even came close to see what you are describing. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  06:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Please do yourself a favor and go in the discussion page. You will see an entire section of NPOV posts which have been made in this page in the past. Go read a few of those, and you'll see that the two last "reports" from M. EveryTime are very similar to those post which been removed because they use personal point of views to describe the suburb instead of simply describing facts. "The suburb is now a picnic zone" or "abandon hope all ye who enter here" are not impartial points of view and should not be tolerated in a NPOV policy.

The whole reason why I bothered to reply to his post was to give him a fair warning. The only reason why his posts and this whole discussion have not yet been moved there by myself is simply that I do not wish to appear vindicating. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  07:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the problem that keeps rising is not so much in the message, but in the wording. I must say, as a survivor it sucks when someone says that it's a red zone, with most buildings ruined sucks to hear, and rightly so. It means we could be doing better. However, when someone comes on and says it's a picnic zone for zeds it's a bit insulting. It's like a taunt and while I don't so much care, I see where Eagle is coming from. Before you say I'm just siding with him because he's part of my group, you should know that I'm usually the first to tell Eagle he's acting like an idiot or he's full of crap. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the posts were less...proud, and by extension, insulting, then I wouldn't have Eagle posting on the board every month or so saying that there's another Non-NPOV news post. I don't think that that's too horribly unreasonable. Obviously this is a request, not an order, but I hope you see where I'm coming from. Now, I'm off to actually play the game as opposed to talking about it. There's some zombies having a picnic right now in a no picnic zone and the ranger needs to clear them out. Have a good one people. --Rohndogg1 15:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree with you. I don't know the status of Yagoton since I'm not there, but if over half the TRPs are ruined regularly, then it's a red zone (which honestly surprises me, since you guys are generally pretty quick at recovering after hordes). That said, saying it's a picnic for zeds is definitely a POV statement and has every reason to be removed. As for not being as bad as it was before, I've definitely seen how bad suburbs can get after hordes go through, but things can get better after they leave and can still be considered red for awhile. If you think of how bad off a suburb is along an arbitrary scale from 1 to infinity, 1-10 might be green, 11-20 might be yellow, 21-30 might be orange, and 31-infinity would be red, since red is anything beyond orange, so there is definitely a lot of variability in terms of how bad red actually means (don't ask me where gray falls in there). —Aichon— 22:39, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I'd however also like to add a new element to this whole discussion: the psychological effect of portraying a suburb way worse than it is in reality. You are right that we usually recover way faster from a horde attack... However, this is no "normal" horde attack this time since we've been hit in succession by the Big Bash and then several zombie groups which followed in its wake. As such, we are really doing great IMHO. But that is of course only my opinion.

To get back to the subject, I think what is being attempted here is to portray the suburb in a very dim light, way dimmer than reality, in the attempt to make other survivors believe that Yagoton is really a bad zone right now and that it should be avoided at all cost. New players don't know much about where to get information, but old players and players who know this Wiki does. And if you take a look at the map right now, you'll notice that about half the town is red. All in the left area. If I were a roaming survivor, I'd avoid west Malton like hell and run toward east Malton ASAP.

What I am trying to say here is that, by posting non NPOV reports, the users willingly or unwillingly use propaganda to the detriment of the survivors in the suburb. And that is simply unacceptable. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  01:35, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

You're not going to hear any disagreement from me here. You and I have argued in the past about some things related to what is or isn't considered NPOV, but even I agree that this was POV, and I agree that they are doing it inappropriately. —Aichon— 04:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

The removed report below, however, does not breach NPOV and shouldn't have been moved since it offers facts and numbers even though it's covered in flavour and rhetoric text. It's also been succeeded by a newer npov report so there was no reason to move it. so I'll be moving it back later if no one is willing to argue about it. -- LEMON #1 05:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

To be frank with you, if you are willing to argue that "roaming around unchecked against military, scientific and civilian pockets of resistance, abandon hope all ye who enter here" is NPOV... Then I will be willing to argue that you do not in fact understand what neutral point of view really mean. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  08:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

"Laugh out loud" the reaction to my comment is becoming a shitstorm? Here are a few FACTS; I am not in a zombie group, I have spent the last week moving in and around Yagoton, currently I'm actually moving back down from Bale Mall simply because they've all just got eaten up, barricades are being taken down in one day each time. Why am I moving into Yagoton again? Because if I stay in the centre of Yagoton for a few hours right now a feeding groan will tell me where to go to have another brain buffet, break-ins are sprouting up everywhere in Yagoton right now, what isn't broke soon will be and I have some hostile zombie groups to thank for that, I myself am solo, I make report on resource points whenever I walk over one regardless of being a zombie or a human (as you can see on my contribs) it'd be be impossible for me to make the reports I make with one character because the accounts are more than 5 Suburbs apart most the time. The fact I even warned any humans about Yagoton's current state of affairs at all as a zombie is entirely neutral, a non-neutral point to make would be "I advise humans to come here", simply because I want more brains to eat, those closing comments I made reflect on the actual state the suburb is currently in. To be fair, I just think you're butthurt because your human group is supposed to be looking after Yagoton, I very much enjoyed breaking into the necrotech buildings by the way, lots of brains in there, with revive points clogged, buildings being busted up and legions of the undead such as myself literally waiting on stand-by for the next feeding groan in the suburb, any comment I make about the danger of the suburb is justified. What exactly is the problem?--EveryTimeV 10:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that they are not. Not justifed and not factual. The both times you posted something, I posted right away to say that it wasn't real. And I took time and AP to check the situation before doing so, to make sure that I actually know what I am talking about. For the rest, if you care to read this whole discussion then you'll understand why your posts are being considered as non neutral. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  22:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't read ETV's response cause I'm tired as shit, but if you wanna get wordy I guess I'll join in and propose you don't know what NPOV means, since in the last 10 difs regarding this you've refered to not-NPOV as NPOV (hence, the opposite of what you mean). See, being snarky and dumb is easy. Perhaps you should read what I said again and actually put it into the context of the comment we're talking about. Here are some facts/opinions.

• There is a definite difference between "breaches of NPOV" and "flavour text". This is shown in countless precedents of NPOV disputes and also is a display (imo) of common sense. As I said before, the numbers of what he said at the time are his version of factual accounts. If you had the evidence to dispute the factual claims being presented, be my guest, though since it's been quickly succeeded with undisputed evidence I wouldn't understand the point. Maybe if you had the evidence that he was lying it would be suited to a vandal case against him for falsifying information, but that's a different story in the end.

• Furthermore, my point is that his factual facts presented differ from everything else he says, which I prefer to put into the realm of "flavour text". Let me expand on your reference you seem to have such a problem with: "''roaming around unchecked against military, scientific and civilian pockets of resistance" is simple flavour text, because factually it is true, even though the rhetoric has been used to stick the boot in a bit (but really, who gives a shit). "abandon hope all ye who enter here" is also, what I consider, flavour text, though I accept some on the survivor side of things (especially those as jumpy as you) would be willing to claim POV to the death. But really, any survivor dumb enough to read the report and ignore the numbers and just say "omg someone said stay away i better run away" is probably the type of survivor you want as far away from your suburb as possible. And even if you're willing to dispute this comment, you are more than welcome to make your own comment amending the report (yeah, remove it even, just replace it with your own "npov" report) that shows the statistics but without the "slack" that the "zombie side" seems to be showing you. It ain't hard and it is a lot better than just creating a "me or him" situation regarding the validity of reports.

• Your definition of NPOV, nor is mine, applicable to any sort of blanket ruling regarding which of these in NPOV or not. There is a reason I've not referenced our wiki's NPOV policy, and that is because we don't have one. Yeah, we tried a few years ago but never got any consensus, which is why we need to treat these on a case-by-case basis. Since we don't have an NPOV policy we have to resort to common sense of every case, which is hard work, but meh.

• Because of this, I'm more than willing to take you to arbitration over this, since I think you're trying to use your "I live here" status as some sort of stamp of authenticity over whos reports are more valid than others regardless of the wiki's NPOV standards (or any thinking person's standards), though in reality it's just adding to the argument that your bias is clouding your judgement

So yes, you have several alternatives to just butting heads with your opponent in this, quickly stated as; replacing report with more npov fix, or taking said user to arbitration over page with evidence with attempt to have him restricted from editing the page, or just attaining the ability to judge and remove comments in an unbiased way in the first place.

Regarding the crux of your comment, I'll summarise by saying you better be willing to argue that I don't know what NPOV means, because that won't be the basis of the argument in Arbitration. The focus will be on what NPOV means on this wiki. Personally, I couldn't give two shits about the petty conflicts on this wiki because while I'm tired of it all I'm also dutifully tied to my op responsibilities, but if I'm forced to go into arbitration with you over this pointless point when I've already offered several better options you and your group/side can take in the future, part of my requests to the arbitrator will probably be that you aren't allowed editing privileges on the main page of Yagoton again (within most reason) if all it does is cause QQ shitfights like this. -- LEMON #1 16:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, first... I don't even know what a QQ fight is. But I have this to say, however: the ones who are making a fuss about this are you and Everytime. You say that there is no general definition on the wiki of NPOV? Then let's see what it literally means: N stands for NEUTRAL and POV stand for Point Of View. What does "Neutral" mean to you, anyways? Does it mean helping the zombie side by making false, exaggerated reports? Because that's exactly what happens here. Who cares about flavor text? This is not a RP page. Do you see a RP warning box on the page? No, you don't. The first thing that you can see on the page, however, is a "Please remember to keep this page neutral" warning box.

I know this page for long enough to know that edit wars and POV wars were common place in the past. There is a reason why we want to keep the page neutral, and it is because playing "who can piss the further away" and "my father is stronger than yours" are not only very childish but also clearly inappropriate.

When making reports, it should remain factual and unbiased on any side. Survivors or zombie alike. I could very well myself post a little something here everytime we do some kind of liberation operation. "Oh, look: we just liberated Warehouse [44,12]]! The zombies obviously got their backside handed to them! Lol!". Now that would be some nice "flavor text", isn't? Well, no. It would not be. Because me and my group consider ourselves above all this nonsense, as discussed several times on our own message board.

If it wasn't directly tied to the suburb itself, I would probably not really care that someone ego is so big that he have to boast his side on the detriment of another. In this case however, and as I already pointed out, those reports willingly or unwillingly portray Yagoton in a much dimmer light than reality. And as long as it happens, it can not only not be considered neutral but can also be considered propaganda.

If you really want to go to arbitration then be my guest. I could not really care less since I would also consider that infantile behavior since nobody need to set up a trial to understand the meaning of the word "neutral". The simple fact that several persons above your own comments also agree that those posts were out of line and non neutral is enough for me to think that am I right anyways. Even though that I would not really expect to win if this arbitration goes to general voting of any kind since common sense is rarely in the hands of the majority. If it goes to "who knows more friends than the other", then I will most certainly lose by not bothering to participate. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  22:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant. If you're not, as you claim, making a fuss, then as per my above comment, I'll just be putting that report back now, since according to you the only two people making a fuss are me and everytime, both who think the report should be on the main page. As for your other comments, yeah, if you liberate that warehouse, of course you can put that message there, because essentially it's true. Even more importantly, no one is likely to give half a shit about it because they aren't wound as tightly as you are and it really doesn't matter in the long run. Oh wait, I forgot, you're not making a fuss about this. -- LEMON #1 01:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Good gracious. EoF, if you think that that news entry is overtly POV, then you should never look at the tug of war about the Colglough NT FU had with Schwan R&D - which no one has given a shit about either, for good reason. It changed status almost daily anyway. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Funny that you mention that. I in fact already complained about this non neutral way of creating publicity for a group using the danger reports in a discussion I had with Aichon a while ago. The end result is that I stopped contributing to them and, I cite, "I will completely ignore the Danger Reports too. I will stop updating them, stop reading them, generally act like they don't exist and try to convince people not to use them if someone ever discuss the matter with me again. This way, groups like the MOA will be able to amuse themselves with their own little NPOV war without interruption. Only, I won't lose my time fighting it.

You can see the rest of the discussion from where this citation come in the history part of my own discussion page. The fact that the NPOV rule is not respected on this wiki annoyed me to the point that I simply removed the discussion from my page. It was ruining my day every time I saw it. And frankly, having this very discussion doesn't quite amuse me either. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  04:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Jeez. That tug of war was all good-natured, and all what it would have needed to end it would have been a third party to step up and complain about it. Which hasn't happened, so there you go. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

There I go what? What does this have to do with the NPOV policy?

Oh, I get it. What you really mean is "nobody cared to report it, so nobody cared to police the whole incident". So, basically, what you are saying is that as long as you don't annoy someone, you don't have to face the rules. That's pretty damn convenient. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  07:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is, since it saves everyone time and frustration. Having a good sense of humor and knowing which battles are actually important to fight can drastically increase not only your own enjoyment of the wiki and the game, but others' as well. While I agree with your stance regarding the neutrality of some of these comments, simply shrugging off small matters or else handling them discreetly (mind you, I'm not suggesting you let people walk all over you, but rather that you find a median between the two extremes), can go a long way to making things more enjoyable for everyone involved. —Aichon— 08:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Humph. Too bad I'm not in the business of making things enjoyable for everybody concerned. If I cared about enjoying my free time on more "serious" matters thank UD then I would certainly not be wasting my time on this Wiki. Which mean: I don't actually have something more important to do at the time I am writing this, else I would certainly not be typing it.

Believe it or not, but having asshats cowbows trying to stamp their seal of approval over what I consider my turf in this game, when they are so ridiculously wrong, does greatly bring down my enjoyment of this game since this Wiki and UD are so closely linked together. Having people pretending to enforce rules but clearly confessing that they don't care about it can only be well described by only one word: hypocrisy. It is as simple as that. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  08:28, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you might be a tad confused about roles here. No one, including myself, said anything about not caring about the rules. The rules are there to facilitate the maintenance of the wiki, which is very important, but what you seem to be ignoring is that, as in real life, rules are meant to be a means to an end, not an end unto themselves. A strict adherence to the rules is not always the best solution in every situation, though it should be the default position taken. Beyond that however, enforcing the rules is only the job of sysops (and I'm not a sysop), while policing is the responsibility of every wiki user, including you, to whatever degree they feel comfortable doing so. Until there's a case made for a situation, no enforcement can occur, in much the same way that a judge can't leave the courtroom and start handing out verdicts to people he sees on the street.

In the meantime, there's nothing hypocritical about what's happened here, just as there's nothing hypocritical about police officers letting some people off with a warning instead of ticketing them, depending on the context. The principle behind the rule is what matters most, rather than the rule itself, and the principle behind NPOV is that it keeps the page hassle-free by reducing the number of personality conflicts. When the NPOV rule becomes a hassle, however, because of reactions such as yours to minor infractions (and minor infractions happen all the time), it no longer serves its purpose in fulfilling the principle, which is why I suggested the alternative of simply taking the high road. I had hoped the idea of being the bigger man would have been well understood, but if you want to label it "hypocrisy" while readily admitting that you enjoy trolling and being territorial rather than being helpful and forgiving, then I suppose we don't have anything left to discuss. —Aichon— 21:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not trolling. Trolling is, by definition, posting in the only hope of annoying other people and/or posting only to provoke people and expect an answer back to continue having "fun". I'm not doing either, and I am certainly not posting here expecting a reply. What I am expecting is to see a very, very, very simple and straightforward rule enforced. Said rule which doesn't seem to be understood by many people it seems. If you however want a good example of trolling then just look down at the post of M. EveryTime. He tried to associate me as a lolcat and there is nothing more to understand there as blatant free provocation. Now that's trolling.

However, you know... I might take your advice. I'll simply "police" the Wiki myself since it is my own responsibility by your own definition. Then the other party will come back, they will edit over me, I'll do the same, we'll have an edit war and you'll be forced to get here to take part on the exact same problem (not to mention the time you already "wasted" on this) simply because you didn't want to take "preventive" actions. And I'm saying it this way to be polite, because what I really think is "because you didn't want to do your job in the first place".

But since that's exactly how you describe the system works... Let's do it. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  02:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Seriously? You're going to be this petty? I'm done with you. There's no point in my continuing this discussion. —Aichon— 06:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Eagle, I don't have to be here more than a day to realize what your national anthem is...--EveryTimeV 04:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

M. Everytime... Thank you for proving me right when I talk about childish behavior. Your linking of a nonsensical video which is only popular because the guy in it says "lol" several times in it is enlightening to us all. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  05:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I am childish, deal with it (if you can).--EveryTimeV 07:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I can. I don't actually have an issue with that and I am certainly not one to tell people how to live. It simply doesn't make a compelling argument in a serious discussion like this one. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  12:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Serious discussion? Sorry I missed the severity of it all when I realized it was another one of your shitstorms.--EveryTimeV 18:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not surprised. That's how almost everybody in this wiki refer to important and serious topics. No wonder this wiki is also considered by the same name by many people I know. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  21:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought this argument was over two days ago. It seemed things had calmed down, there seemed a general consensus that the post while not overly non-NPOV still was based on exaggeration and over use of flavor text. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against flavor, and frankly I'm tired of the whole issue period, but it pops up on our forum and I therefore become involved. Can we please let this go and just be more careful on the Yagoton page as it has Eagle of Fire watching it, and he'll drop a hammer on anyone who posts and create a fuss about any issues. If you disagree with me I don't give a damn, I'm telling it as it is and I don't want to see any more about it. Now, can we get on with actually playing the game please. There's a suburb that needs some work and it's my job to do that work. Have a nice day fellas. --Rohndogg1 15:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

November 19^th

The entire central part of Yagoton is currently under siege it seems, survivors are struggling to barricade themselves in and protect vital NecroTech bases, flares are soaring in both Western and Eastern parts of the Suburb, currently growing mobs of 50 Roaming around unchecked against military, scientific and civilian pockets of resistance, abandon hope all ye who enter here.--EveryTimeV 01:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I live here, I completely disagree with this report. You obviously were not here a few weeks ago when the bash and then three zombie groups have hit the suburb one after another. I consider Yagoton to be between yellow and green at the moment. So, unless the status of the suburb changed in a few hours... -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  01:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

June 2009

June 9^th

Ridleybank Resistance Front's "Gore Corps" have successively raided and killed many of the residents of the Whatmore Building; however, the Yagoton hotspot remains in local control, is lit, and barricaded. The Gore Corps (the only division allowed to raid as humans in the RRF) continues to cower in unlit theaters and clubs, and has thus far been able to retain their numbers by hiding in such a manner. It is probably a good idea for YRC members to begin utilizing the backup revive points and necrotech buildings that are not subject to regular raids. --Alevins 17:12, 9 June 2009 (BST)

June 3^rd

Members of the RRF's Gore Corp have been attacking in and around the Whatmore building. They are a silly bunch, but precautions should be taken. --Popeholden 21:53, 03 June 2009 (EST)

April 2009

April 27^th

General survivor consensus is to revive no one - all revivification is to be halted, to prevent any PK'ers from causing havoc. Only a few "safe" spots for sleeping overnight are present. It would be a good idea for survivors to head south to Richmond Hills and Havercroft, where survivors can regroup and recoup, before returning to fight. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Simsimius (talk • contribs) 18:49, 27 April 2009.

April 24^th

Update: I'm positive this is the work of a zerger with about 40 zombie characters. All of the zombies ranged in levels from 9 to 11. All of them were created in the time span from November 11th 2008 to November 22nd of 2008. From the time the barricades were destroyed in Hinks PD, 22 survivors counting myself died in a span of 40 minutes. --Invisible Pedestrian 22:27, 24 April 2009 (BST)

It is quite likely that you are right. One of our MOBbers said he suspects the same thing happened at the Mall. The zergers are not MOBbers, by the way. We apologize to honest players - both zombie and survivors alike - that would duke it out with us in the true spirit of gamesmanship, but MOB is moving out. We refuse to interact with zerg players. --FLZombie 16:15, 29 April 2009 (BST)

Theory about the Edge of Extinction

This is my case against the group Edge of Extinction. None of it has been proved, and it is no way conclusive.

I have compiled a list of known Edge of Extinction characters, as well as some of their UD profiles. As follows:

Count Vlad Dracula [1], Spring Heeled Jack, [2], Javier Cross, a zombie,

xXx Lori xXx [3], AmandaYoung [4], A Devil [5]

A retarded person [6], Zodiac KiLLer [7], Snoring Corpse [8]

and Rated R Superstar (The Leader)

Players in Bold Italics are ones that are suspected of zerging. Spring Heeled Jack and Zodiac KiLLer, oddly enough, were created three years ago, but still maintain a relatively low and identical skill level and skill set. This leads me to believe that they both are only alternate characters, or zergs, of another main character. Also A Devil and A retarded person were created on the exact same day, and a retarded person retains basically the same skill set as Spring Heeled Jack and Zodiac KiLLer. Perhaps A Devil, or another higher level player, is the main character for all three of these low level pkers; however, no proof has been put forth to support the idea that these characters are zergs of A Devil or another character, except for the suspicious fact that both A Devil and A retarded person were created on the same day of the same year.

-Improving on this proposition is the fact that only four out of the eleven characters in this list have requested membership on the forum (Link provided)[9] of the Edge of Extinction group. Since this group accepts members on a request only basis, it is highly likely, though not proven, that these five players have alternate characters, or zergs, in play in Yagoton. It must be noted, though that this is all merely conjecture, it is just as likely that the moderator of the forum of the Edge of Extinction group deleted old membership requests as it is that the Edge of Extinction is a zerg crazed cheating band of Pkers.

Nonetheless, the facts remain: at least 55% of the known Edge of Extinction group are below level nine, building upon this is that the same 55% retain basically the same low level skill sets after a few years! Building more upon that is that at least 83% of that 55% were created in the same year. This makes for a very convincing zerg case, seeing as this 83% was created three years ago, and since then have not really leveled up at all, and that over the past three years, these random characters have randomly leveled up to IDENTICAL skill sets. Very suspicious indeed.

Please Remember, this list of characters is only based on what I could gather from the Edge of Extinction forum[10] and from personal field experience, and is in no way complete. Also remember that this is my theory! I have no real proof on whether or not there is any zerging involved, and this group could be perfectly legitimate.

But I doubt it.

Please leave your comments and opinions below. --Alevins 01:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Wrong.

I only have another character (suburbs away), a good guy who can probably be figured out if someone who knows me well enough wants to. I have never heard of "Spring Heeled Jack", "Zodiac Killer", "a retarded person", "Snoring Corpse", or "Javier Cross" so they couldn't possibly be members of EoE. I can ask some of our members if they've been using alts, but it's doubtful as some of them I know killed known cheaters. Perhaps some of our past enemies are trying to discredit us, no?

The forum is actually new, we had an older one and communicated through e-mail before the 31st of January. So sorry to burst your bubble, but we aren't cheating.

I feel very sorry for you. You and the YRC (and whoever else helps them in Yagoton) can't stop us, so you have to drag in the old "I can't beat them so they muzt be abzolutely cheatin' hurrrrr" shit. Seems every good group in UD "must be zergers". --Rated-R Superstar 04:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

That's not it at all. I only said that it seemed very possible that the EoE was zerging. Why? Because since your arrival in Yagoton, there have been many nearly identical characters following the same agenda as you: Barricading the church. Since each character has no group affiliation, except for a few who present themselves falsely as part of the Abandoned, it seemed most likely that they were apart of the EoE, but now since you have cleared that nonsense all up about zerging, I can honestly respect your coordination in barricading the church and making a point of advertising it all over southern yagoton. It is really quite impressive. The question remains though, who these characters that I suspect of zerging are, as they do have extremely similar skill levels/sets/age, and they too, continue to barricade the church. I recall it was you, Rated R Superstar, who pked me in the church, where I was staying to see who was barricading. Maybe less than an hour before that the church was barricaded by spring heeled jack and javier cross, which led me to believe they were affiliated with you in the first place. I wasn't accusing you of zerging because of your supreme organization skills in the game that, in truth, admittedly outrank the messy and leaderless YRC project, the fact is that these characters seemed most likely to be apart of your group, and they also seemed to be zerging. Which led me to conclude the above statements. Now that you have obviously refuted my little theory, I can look at you now as totally legitimate, although I admit, I thought I had a good thing going. Lol. Hopefully your group will continue to kill known zergers, but until then I guess you'll just have a little bit of help from some of these people who aren't even in your group. I was even more impressed when you showed up in the whatmore building and slaughtered me and many others. You are not to be underestimated. lol!

--Alevins 09:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for being a HELLUVA lot more civil and mature than most of the asswipes we've slaughtered over the months. Kinda makes killing you somehow less fun LOL. I do wonder who those characters are, though. I'd order EoE to kill them, but they'd kinda be boring to get involved with if they're zergs. --Rated-R Superstar 09:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

February 2009

February 16^th

...and we're still alive! Face it chumps, ya can't stop us! --Rated-R Superstar 02:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

January 23^rd

St. Swithuns is a revive point and therefor is to remain uncaded? Can we keep it this way as it is to the benefit to both sides...--Jakezing 23:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Reminder to residents: Do not kill non-rotter zombies inside St. Swithun's Church. Those that do are subject to a warning, and possibly a headshot.--Private Mark 18:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

October 2008

October 17^th

Cobra Loves You--Imthatguy 19:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Come on you pkers, you live here to, fight the zombioes then the humans!--Jakezing 00:40, 18 October 2008 (BST)

No really we love you so im gonna kill a bunch of zombies and then come for you --Imthatguy 02:51, 19 October 2008 (BST)

"Please remember to keep this article neutral."--Aphaythea 02:58, 19 October 2008 (BST)

September 2008

September 24th

The Abandoned have broken their Treaty with Cobra, because of this they have withdrawn from the Olympics and declared war on all the inhabitants of Yagoton. May God have mercy on your souls. --Bullgod 06:21, 24 September 2008 (BST)

Official response to Cobra that lead to this whole matter, and in fact, the line of thinking within most of Yagoton: Attention Cobra! It has come to my attention that many of the citizens of Yagoton are beginning to despise your presence here. I was also curious so I decided to check out your forum, I noticed your thread about us which didn't really bother me, though I do sorta take offense to being called a trench coated weenie. I also noticed that some of your members have been making snide comments in your "Trophy Kills" thread. The most important thing though is that the people are tired of you and we wouldn't be very good protectors if we let this continue, considering we shouldn't have let it happen in the first place. You've shown disrespect to us on your forum especially with that begging for peace comment your one member made. You are correct in one thing though, we outnumber you, significantly, not to mention most of our members are more experienced. Under these circumstances you have two options, either you discontinue all PKing in the suburbs of Yagoton and Millen Hills, or you take your actions elsewhere. I'd prefer if we didn't have to do this but the people demand it and you've forced our hand. If you do not comply with at least of these terms then we will be forced to remove you ourselves. Trust me, this is not a fight you can win, not against us and the rest of the suburb. I suggest you listen for your own sake, you don't need to be stubborn, that would just be stupid. I have a feeling this will be the last time you here from us on peaceful terms, you have been warned. -Rohndogg1 Source: http://tinyurl.com/4lu468 --Macampos 00:19, 25 September 2008 (BST)

don't try to make yourselves noble in this, we had an agreement and you were quick to accept the terms of we not kill you, you no kill us. demanding on additional conditions a month after you've been sitting pretty is a clear breaking of the treaty and for your actions all of Yagoton will suffer.--Bullgod 04:11, 25 September 2008 (BST)

We gave you a month of niceties and your members spent that time spitting in our faces and otherwise being "smug" about the so called "treaty" between our groups. We watched Cobra make a name for itself in Yagoton as the most hated band of pkers since the SillyLillyPillies. And as much as you loved our revival points, you had no qualms about killing the very doctors that revived you. Did you honestly believe that continuing exploit loopholes in this joke of a "truce" wouldn't have caught our attention? We created this temporary truce with your group so we could focus on more important matters, such as our late foes, the Eastonwood Ferals. However, in the month that you have wasted continuing to further piss off the residents in Yagoton by your coy tactics, you have only reminded us of why we never created actual truces with player killers in the first place. For that we thank you. Also, as far as Yagoton "suffering"... this suburb and its many residents and groups did not live through two years of Mall Tours, A Big Bash, invasions from the Zambah! Republic, complete occupation by suspected zergers, and death cultists galore to "suffer" from a single pker group with thirteen members, many of which are apparently still new to Malton. We appreciate the thought, however. See you at St.Swithun's. --Macampos 06:01, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Your welcomed.--Bullgod 08:27, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Shut the fuck up and keep this wankery off the fucking News page. --WanYao 07:07, 25 September 2008 (BST)

September 23rd

Cobra will be moving out of Yagoton to find a quieter place to hunt for the PKer Olympics. They will return following the end of ceremonies.--Bullgod 04:48, 23 September 2008 (BST)

WanYao: meh... this *is* spammy... but i jumped the gun, un-deleted 06:11, 25 September 2008

Good job, WanYao, for removing then adding this back. Your claims or NPOV is nothing more than "zombies and PKers point of view." I've moved it here, but will leave it in the code on the News Archive page for anyone who is interested in WanYao's meaning of "neutrality." -- Kittithaj 21:38, 25 July 2009 (BST)

September 12^th

I would like to do some repairs to Catherine General (41, 16) but there are about 6 zed inside. Any help is appreciated.--Specialfxlady 00:22, 13 September 2008 (BST)

September 6^th

Well, lets see; the news page is dead... But it's reminded that Combat Revives DO NOT serve a meaningfull purpose, as these revived zsombies become pkers. Other then that, it dosn't seem like alot is going on, --Jakezing 13:47, 6 September 2008 (BST)

August 2008

August 4^th

Thre situation in Yagton is pretty much unchanged over the last few weeks: the southern half of the 'burb is largely in ruins and zombie activity is high. The northern half, however, remains quite secure with only the occasional quickly repelled zombie incursion -- or the odd psychotic murderer or insane death cultist -- to break the monotony. --WanYao 16:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)

I went 4 blocks south of bale and ran into ruined buildings, The zeds are going north, radio reports still conflicting, --Jakezing 02:14, 5 August 2008 (BST)

Pay attention, Darkmagic... The south is a back and forth battle zone. Has been for weeks, the situation is little changed there. Zombies are attempting to creep north; however, any such progress has been slow as survivors often reclaim recently ransacked buildings, only to renew the cycle of building and tearing down... Meanwhile, incursions in the north -- and especially in the immediate vicinity of Bale Mall and the Style NT -- have been quickly repelled by the large concentration of survivors in these places. --WanYao 13:54, 5 August 2008 (BST)

re: Ok, enough pissing around... This is the correct thing to do, yes: put it all here. That being said, your News post was spam, Darkmagic aka Jakezing. As I have explained to you, it doesn't present any useful information... thus it's not News... spam, in fact. Whereas, though my post contained a single non-NPOV comment, the rest of it was actual information which -- while repetitive -- is useful and informative. Please learn the difference, what makes one post news vs. the other spam. Thank you. --WanYao 17:26, 5 August 2008 (BST)

July 2008

July 12th

Catherine General Hospital is at EHB. In desperate need of FAKs, myself, so I can't invest AP into 'fixing' this right now (as per optimal defence plan), but I wanted to bring it to people's attentions. -pinkgothic 13:35, 12 July 2008 (BST)

July 11th

If you could stop all the radio spam, that'd be nice. please keep the radio to long range talking and siuation reports,. not DEM spam ect.--Jakezing 13:55, 11 July 2008 (BST)

February 2008

February 23^rd

We should really put Yagoton on red now. the zeds have destroyed almost all of the buildings!Thier are zombies everywhere! i have not seen even one survivor for days! People of Malton! come in numbers! come in anger! come in glory! we must stop this army of zombies before it spreads to other suburbs! --Officer Lirette, the friendly police officer with lots of FAKs. 12:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

To all you zombies, come to Bale Mall! we will finnaly put an end to the survivors in the north!

more "news" moved from main page

For those planning to defend their suburb, let me remind you what happend last time a major group hit yagoton, we spent the time of june to octoboer trying to first live, then get a foothold before taking the whole suburb back. DO NOT RUN, DO NOT FLEE, FIGHT FOR YOUR HOME! Yes you may and proboably will die, but if you run, where will you go? the fortress's? Do not be a coward, fight! The BB1 did not always succed in it's attacks, so why shouldnt the second be any diferent? And, as a news report, most of yagoton would not be safe, if you plan to hold it out, go to the mall, it is one of the few resource area's left, and after the nerby suburbs fall, we'll get refugees, and zombies aplenty. Remember, stokc up on ammo, revive sticks, gennys and fuel cans, radios maybe. Dark times acomin.--Jakezing 23:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

January 2008

--Talunex 11:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

December 14th

Whoever's changing the radios from 26.61, fucking stop. --Jakezing 02:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

November - December 2007

--Talunex 18:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Moved from News Section

Signature rotter of the yrc, maxime ,ahs been spotted alive, we are asking for her to return, lest we anger god, and there really isnt much news by the pker attacks that always happen in absens of a zombie invasion, yagoton is completly safe.--Darkmagic 22:51, 24 October 2007 (BST)

So. . . Groups.

Pretty sure it's well and truly outdated. But, I want to check who is following this page as a group before removing you. That means please post something here if you are still in the suburb, or if you aren't.--Karek^maps?! 09:41, 28 April 2008 (BST)

The Abandoned are still going strong in Yagoton. Also, I took the liberty of moving the DEM to where they should be alphabetically in the list.--Abandoned Ice 06:35, 5 June 2008 (BST)

PAGE

Allright, I don't have time to fix it at the moment, but the main article is a clusterf___. Somebody needs to return it to a non-POV, non-talk article page... Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 22:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Formatting

Just a reminder... if you choose to edit the main page, make sure it is done using appropriate formatting. Recently someone (JonWayne1, I think) added this: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ in several places scattered around the page. I assume this was somehow caused by their cutting and pasting out of some unusual word processing ap, as opposed to their intentionally vandalizing the page. When this was done on the suburb map, it messed up the map. We all make mistakes, but please be more careful.[[11]] Also, when you make edits to text sections, please sign your work. --Nosimplehiway 11:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

On Recent News

• how the hell do yuo know about me! also... we need to detour the amount of rotters at swithuns--cody6 21:41, 3 September 2006 (BST)

• DORIS is attempting to move in to Yagoton. (go see their page), and are beginning to slaguther many people as well. Large PKer group is here... --Bluemofia 21:09, 14 September 2006 (BST)

• Not only that but Red Rum may be in the area since they work together. Careful with Red Rum, they WILL remove thier group tags, especialy to gain a revive. Jackson 5 04:03, 15 September 2006 (BST)

So how about assembling a list? Here's who I've got already: Crotchshot, Jeff Jeffrey McJeff, GenericNPC244. --Bluemofia 06:03, 16 September 2006 (BST)

Well im not actualy in the area but want to help since i really dont like DORIS. While they attackted us we put together a board to help defend the area and gathered some info on it. We used it untill somone esle used it to frame the Lebende Tote. Its still got some links and player profiles on it that you can use http://griggsdefenders.proboards106.com/index.cgi

Happy hunting Jackson 5 22:32, 16 September 2006 (BST)

Sweet. Thank you so much. This would save me so much time in hunting them. --Bluemofia 00:35, 17 September 2006 (BST)

They really enjoy hiding out in Bale Mall don't they? Found 2 of them hiding there. --Bluemofia 05:39, 17 September 2006 (BST)

Ah, another cheater pulls out that list stolen from a private part of the forums. And, in case you seem to have forgotten, Jackson, DORIS did take the suburb. There was not a single non-DORIS survivor alive in Grigg Heights, while the remaining Invisibles were hiding scared in other suburbs. --Flareblade77 ^{RK◘ZHU◘DORIS} 14:14, 17 September 2006 (BST)

1) The DORIS list was not stolen in any shape or form. Secoudnly the Red Rum list (if they are in yagatown) was about 90% complete before someone frammed us anyway. 2) DORIS only claimed to take Griggs. Ask any Invisible, they always stayed in Griggs (tho the Totes seemed to always find DORIS and R.R. outside of town). And right after Sonny said Griggs was clean, i took my own alt in and found what he said to be complete B.S. ALSO DORIS said to clear it out of ALL non DORIS, the large human population testifies that that is false. 3) The Totes never took part in ANY info gathering other then in game views of profiles, check your lies at the door please. For more info on Griggs just view the Grigg wiki, i dont want THAT spilling over to another talk board.Jackson 5 01:15, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Man, someone has a man crush on DORIS--The Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Talk | CC CPFOAS DOЯIS Judge LOE ZHU} 01:35, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Not in Grigg Heights? Check. Enemies dead while we controlled it? Check. DORIS and allies alive? Check. Our sphere of influence expanding to other suburbs? Check. Dude we won. Once we won it was time to honor someone else. Grigg Heights for Pluto and now Yagoton for Steve Irwin. I'll say it now. We do not expect to kill everyone in Yagoton. Instead we wish to start a PK war where people pk each other thinking they're the enemy. We did it in Grigg. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 01:40, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Lies, half truths, and changed agendas, sigh... DORIS read the outlines about what you do (unless you changed em, but you can always look at the history) Grigg Heights Where this is all supposed to be.Jackson 5 01:58, 18 September 2006 (BST)

What the fuck are you babbling about. We didn't feel like staying in a suburb where we had no targets. Of course it originally sounded fun but when it came true it wasn't. We, like zombies, need a constant target. You guys died quickly so we had no targets left. Learn to not suck so much next time. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 03:15, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Exactly Sonny, Atleast Yagoton's whiners have game.--The Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Talk | CC CPFOAS DOЯIS Judge LOE ZHU} 03:17, 18 September 2006 (BST)

You guys just cant keep it on the Griggs Wiki huh (Grigg Heights)? As far as targets, there are LOTS of survivors there, meaning its not the "sacred ground" you wanted, and also the NQSI's, some O.F.ers, and a few G.o.B.'s are STILL sleeping IN the burb. Close your eyes and say you dont see them tho if that makes you feel better.Jackson 5 02:29, 20 September 2006 (BST)

About Yagoton

Should we continue to name the malls, like we used to? --otherlleft 04:04, 15 Sep 2005 (BST)

I've removed a lot of information that was being duplicated on the Minions of the Apocalypse page - I hope you don't mind. --Uborkapete 11:54, 18 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Speaking of the Minions, their page says they've left for Caiger Mall to the west. Think it's safe to say they're gone now? X1M43 20:53, 21 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Certainly when I went out for my patrol this morning, the number of zombies had dropped substantially. The Whatmore Building was still cracked overnight though, so the threat clearly hasn't entirely passed. --Uborkapete 09:25, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I'll be honest: It's damn quiet out here as of this post. But there is the threat from IZONE and the occasional brain rotter to look out for. A slow trickle of patients bleeds into the primary rev clinic. It's a good time to loot the mall while you can. --MorthBabid 13:37, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I killed a brain rotter in the clinic a few hours ago and revived 2 people there just for the fun of it. --Nov 13:56, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

"Son of Uborkapete" recently killed me for no apparent reason while I was waiting for a revive inside the chappel. Can I get an explanation!?--SirBlastalot 19:09, 13 July 2006 (BST)

• to let you know, theres 51 dead bodies from the recent raid and jsut pilled up dead bodies

St. Godric's Church: the lonbe zed standing there with me is not to be kille,d he's a olvl 1 survivor looking for a revive. out of ap. ok?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cody6 (talk • contribs) iteypwithmyfaicelol.

Concerning the Barricade Plans

I understand you're trying to organize, but a lot of people are improperly enforcing the plan and I've seen at least 7 survivors caught out in the cold with no way of getting out. I'm not a YRC employee, but as a NecroTech representative and a human being I have done what I can to heal and guide these people towards other safehouses instead. Catherine General Hospital is currently very heavily barricaded, meaning that the dozens of clinic patrons still suffering from the infection are having a very difficult time of finding a safehouse. Now I'm more than willing to help enforce the barricades, but I can only do so much. Can others in the area please try and double check the barricade plan before you crank it over VS barricaded? Thank you. --Denise Moore, NecroTech Employee 12:07, 1 Dec 2005 (GMT)

You do realise that most UD players don't read the Wiki and have no idea what an official Barricade Plan is? Is any of this being backed up with graffiti? --Spiro 13:23, 1 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I have yet to see any graffiti on the subject matter, but I've seen quite a bit of discussion inside the Hospital on the barricade plans...thus anybody who didn't know and bothers to read probably knows now. I'm making a point on the fact that if we're going to do this and do it properly, we need to start spraying down messages immediately. I'm not an official YRC or Abandoned employee so I can't say exactly how to go about this, but as a concerned citizen of Yagoton I think I do have the right to point out this problem. --Denise Moore, NecroTech Employee 13:36, 1 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Barricade plans concern me too. They are nearly impossible to enforce, and benefit zombie spies immensely (ie they know exactly where to head to and overbarricade in order to maximise the number of people caught in the cold). Why do we still bother with them? --Uborkapete 15:21, 1 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The barricade plan was instituted just last night. 13 hours ago. It is still under construction. Real work and disscussion began on the plan 36 hours ago. No one has had any time to advertise, or institute it. The hospital is still at VH because it has yet to be reduced. It has been like that since the zombie attacks. I went around yesterday and informed most of the major safehouses of the plan and the URL. As for wheather or not we should have a plan, ask the people who asked for one. I just moderated everything.--Golddragon24 17:13, 1 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Zombies Spies are already roaming the place freely since they get revivified at the Revive Center. Also, anybody willing to simply search only a little on the internet can find a map of Yagoton and/or any other suburbs... So pointing that VS buildings will be targeted by Zombies is a futile argument, they are and/or will already be targeted by Zombies if another mass attack occur. The barricade plan will allows those with free running to be able to do guerillera tactics on Zombies when the time will come and those who don't have free running simply don't have what it takes to take on a full scale assault like we experimented a few weeks ago. --Eagle of Fire

That's a good point, Eagle of Fire. In general, the zombie hordes already know where to go, even without the help of zombie spies or detailed maps. It's more a matter of tracking large hordes and intercepting/preparing to defend where they go. But I must say, I really hope all of you are up to maintaining these barricade standards, as well as reducing over-barricaded areas. Seems like a daunting task. --MorthBabid 04:41, 2 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The dauting task is really to stop people from over barricading the important buildings like the PD's and the Fire Stations. At worse, we all knows that the Revive Center is always unbarricaded, so heading there to free run is always possible. Another point altogether is to discover if those players who overbarricade do it willingly for the Zombie groups or are simply new players who don't know what they are doing... I hope the first case won't become common because that would both be a cheap trick and a bad sport move... --Eagle of Fire

Not true - the clinic is sometimes barricaded by saboteurs to the point at which it is unenterable. --Uborkapete 15:49, 3 Dec 2005 (GMT)

We been informed of this already and we'll monitor it closely. We will take measures if it continue like this. If you want you can come to our forum to discuss it in detail. --Eagle of Fire

We grown tired of all the barricading in the revive church and we all think (The Abandoned) that we been more than patient enough. We began firing on sight on people we suspect of barricading the church and who been warned about half a dozain times. If anybody have informations on people you would suspect are barricading the place, please leave us a message at our member page. --Eagle of Fire

Everytime I look the map here, it seems that more and more green cells poped out of nowhere. I looked at the original plan we made up at our forum, and with the exception of St Spyridon's Church which is Bale Mall entry point and Caseley Cinema, which should be the south entry point, all the green cells on the map should return to yellow. So, unless someone here can give me a really good reason why those cells are now green, I'll have them changed back to yellow soon. --Eagle of Fire

As a newbie waking up in Yagoton on her very first day, I think the Barricade Plan and related maps saved my life. While the Casely Cinema was overbarricaded to the point where I couldn't get in (as of 1/5/06 , early AM), the maps showed me another safe place I could get to- with 2 ap to spare! So this newbie girl really appreciates the hard work of all those survivors implementing the Yagoton Defense Plan.

I'm heading over to Brooke Hills to link up with the Malton Fire Department but that's still right next door to you guys. If you all need help, I'll try to swing back up to pitch in, as a way of helping to repay all the good work you're doing. --Little Fawn

Ladies and gentlemen, I have a proposal:

Considering that the Moorhouse Place PD has been consistently broken into by zombies over the past week or so, I suggest upgrading it to an emergency EH status for the duration of the emergency. New players entering Yagoton should be redirected to other entrances. --Specialist290 00:30, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

We really don't want to encourage people to rest in besieged buildings. Besides making them an easy target, all concentrated in a single building, it would give the Z's a reason the continue with their attack. These situations are exactly what the plan is intended to cope with. Survivors with free running disperse to the surrounding buildings (Which are EH), discouraging zombie attacks, and low level survivors can still help out and nab a bit of XP. --Doubler, The Abandoned 12:50, 11th March 2006 (GMT)

I see. Thanks for the explanation. --Specialist290 13:52, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

I want to thank those who care enough about the barricade plan for establishing, once again, that the Bale Mall needs to be enterable from the junk yard just south. I can't remember the fights we got into with the BME over that, silly Johnny-come-latelies . . . of course they mean well and all, but even now their own barricading plan is inconsistent with the one here and calls for max barricading of almost every building around Bale. Anyone care to tell them?--otherlleft ^W! 15:04, 4 June 2007 (BST)

To Novelty

Incredible job on the map and the overall job of counting everything in Yagoton. I know it's not finished, but keep up the good work! --Eagle of Fire

Thanks, but it's only suburb. At least now the Barricade Plan links up to the individual pages - for those that do have a page. I think Clubs and Museums are next on my list to do. --Nov 05:05, 20 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Kudos to whoever who created the Barricade Plan, and to the YRC as well! Nice job! --Omega2 14:20, 1 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I'm pretty sure the original map credits need to go to GoldDragon. --Eagle of Fire

What's the deal on crossing out words?--NathanDansforth 01:34, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

Lies About The Neon Knights

Someone recently posted on the main Yagoton page saying that The Neon Knights are killing people housed in Bale Mall. That's not true. The Inquisition isn't killing people in Bale Mall either. The Knights don't kill anyone in Bale Mall, but any Clinic or The Abandoned member outside of the mall is fair game. I'm going to edit that post, and just want people to know this. --Zaknrfama 21:08, 17 Jan 2006 (GMT)

• Then I hope you edited it and marked on the history section who made the change. Such claims are useless without screenshot evidence backing it up. You SHOULD double check with your cells, however. You may have someone with your group tag that you don't know of causing problems. :/ --MorthBabid 18:37, 18 Jan 2006 (GMT)

• Yeah User:Novelty edited it. If he doesn't come and tell me it was a mistake, I'll have to assume he's trying to get me on the bad side of people that I did nothing to. --Zaknrfama 18:51, 18 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I really doubt it. Novelty is the one person who practically made this page up all by himself, if anything I really think he's trying to drop the biased argument and bring only what he probably experimented or heard of himself. --Eagle of Fire

Yeah, that's why I want him to say he didn't know any better. --Zaknrfama 00:19, 19 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Someone said that in the game to the room I was in. Feel free to change it if it's inaccurate. --Nov 06:47, 20 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Yeah, I changed it. I hope people stop lying though. I even saw one spray that said 'The Neon Knights brought the zombies! Kill them!' Haha. --Zaknrfama 21:24, 20 Jan 2006 (GMT)

You just don't know the amount of times I spray graffitis back to normal over utter nonsense myself. --Eagle of Fire

"Events"

I didn't check here for quite a while, and now that I did give a good look at the Yagoton page I can't stop myself from thinking "are we holding a kind of journal here?" Look at the events taking a whole page all by itself! Can't all that be either erased or moved somewhere else so the page stay clean? If nothing is done, it will only continue to pile up and push the end of the page way down. Edit: Now that I look at it, the talk page could use a face lift too. There is a lot of old info which is not needed anymore. --Eagle of Fire

If nobody is willing to step up to archive this, I'll simply erase most of what is already here in a few days. I'm getting tired to have to scroll down to the very end of the page to get the info and the map of the Optimal Defense Plan, which are the only usefull info on this page IMHO. The "events" serve no purpose whatsoever after a few days of their posting and the group descriptions are very redundant since you can already click on the links to the right. --Eagle of Fire

SPQR

I continue to see and erase spray paintings saying nothing else than SPQR to the south of Yagoton. I have no idea what that mean, other than by the RL Roman link. I'd like to know if someone know what this is all about, and if you could point me to a group of some sort. I heavily suspect a group from Brooke Hill overstepping the boundary of Yagoton, but that's not a problem per se. Both message could be said in one, so everyone could see the SPQR thing and the Yagoton Optimal Defense Plan message at the same time. Eagle of Fire

Barricading Plan vs UBP

I have no idea who last altered the Barricading Plan, but it no longer conforms to the UBP's Point #8 which states that at least 1 building in every 9 block should be VS+2. Hence I've put a strikethrough the text in the article where it says the plan conforms to the UBP. If someone from The Abandoned or the YRC wishes to modify it back to conform to the UBP, they can remove the strikethrough.

Old Map Box

If anyone ever needs this for anything, here it is. --Dickie Fux 23:28, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Removed. --  RoosterDragon  16:24, 30 July 2009 (BST)

barricades

most of southern and eastern yagoton are ottrla baracaded to no entry

Yagoton Watch

Hello there, Yagoton Watch here. We're a group dedicated to the safety and wellbeing of Yagoton, its denizens, and revive points. We're rather new, but we'll be having our page up shortly. Until then we're beginning a campaign of Anti-Disciples of Zeko activity as well as the bounty hunting of registered PKers.

You folks need to be more carefull with your facts. You may not like PKers, but I know for a fact that the Disciples of Zeko didn't instigate the PK...as far as the evidence currently shows. See The Second Massacre of Yagoton to help sort this all out. This IS becoming a problem. --MorthBabid 01:48, 30 August 2006 (BST)

ransacked church

is it just me or there even a point to fixing the revive church if its ransacked? that can help stop the cade problems--cody6 18:46, 1 October 2006 (BST)

There is no problem with having the church ransacked. If it's ransacked, no one will be able to barricade it.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 18:50, 1 October 2006 (BST)

maybe a rule should be put up tpo say, that if its sacked, leave it that way, it will help slightly though noobs don't listen. I'm trapped outside right now--cody6 18:53, 1 October 2006 (BST)

If you are a zombie wanting a revive, don't wait. Take the barricades down by yourself. Eventually, they'll fall or you'll get revived outside.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 18:58, 1 October 2006 (BST)

you want me to try breakign down VS cades with the weakest zed attacks...

October 28th 'Conversation'

• I cut the following from the main Yagoton page. Save the front page for actual news, the talk for suvivor debates, please. Otherwise it gets REALLY messy. --MorthBabid 21:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Why don't survivors from Yagoton head to Shearbank to confront the Big Bash. Their next targets probably Yagoton so why not help hold them off. Everyone heads to the mall so places like St Lukes are left deserted. NOTE: sign ur comments! i didnt write that

• there is a increase in survivors staying at St Swithun's Church. many won't move. in order to protect the clinic we might have to force some out.--cody6 13:24, 28 October 2006 (BST)

With the influx of Shuttlebank Survivors, I think we should begin to concentrate for the inevitable zombie incursion. Also, wanted to warn Survivors staying in southern Yagoton. Zombie Hit-and-run attacks from Brooke Hills have killed a number of my comrades, so staying there may not be the safest idea. Cathrine will remain open to those who wish to stay, however. Cathrine will remian open to survivors come hell or the Big Bash. -Cecil Dariance 11:09 PM EST

the bash isn't a threat like when it steam rolled. its about half the size of when it smashed central malton--cody6 13:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

how is tellign that there is a large # of survivors staying at a revive point considered for discussion... there is idiot...--cody6 22:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

November 10th 'Discussion'

Moved the following from the News page. Wasn't so much news as it was a single voice: Personal opinion of GKing isn't really needed. Better served as a personal journal post? Moved to here in the meantime. --MorthBabid 01:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• November 10th

The GKer aeneid is not going away without a fight. Somebody either very stupid, or downright anti-survivor, revived aeneid, and he immediately set about taking his frustrations out on me inside the Bale Mall. I was taken down and ejected from the mall. But here's the good part. The message and methods of Genny's Revenge must be taking root, because somebody else killed aeneid shortly after he killed me, and threw his body into the street, too!!! Way to go, Bale Mall survivors! -- Private Bill Paxton

We needd to get ready for Shacknews.They have taken Caiger Mall and Bale will surely be their next target.Soadsod 18:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of GKers, or generator killers, I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but apparently it's not being said enough. Do not revive known generator killers. I took out Dr. Ocelot myself earlier today, and already the guy has been revived. Do you people like living in the dark or what? Don't revive generator killers. Ever. Check before you revive. And another ignoramus revived Creeping Crud, who has destroyed more generators inside Bale Mall than you can shake a stick at. The guy's own profile says he's a member of The Undeadites. Here's a novel idea...how about actually looking up these groups before you revive people? The wiki site for the Undeadites makes it perfectly clear what Creeping Crud will do if he gets revived. He'll tear down barricades, destroy generators, and trash radio transmitters. This Paxton guy above is accumulating an archive of screen shots of generator destroyers, why don't you check his Genny's site for starters. Bale Mall Elite also used to maintain a site of GKers. I'm sure other people do, too, including my own CDF. Use these sites, people. Don't welcome the enemy into our homes with open arms, and then wonder why the lights go out and the zombies come storming in. -- AVN, Creedy Defense Force, 11:49 AM

• November 9th

I want to take a moment to praise the teamwork of the survivors in Bale Mall. I tracked down the GKing scumbag, aeneid, and found the bugger back inside the Mall. The evidence of his crime has been documented by Genny's Revenge, and can be found here. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough AP to kill the bastard outright. I got him down to 8 hp and then ran out of AP. So I used my last AP to alert other survivors inside Bale Mall about the GKer, posted the evidence of his crimes, and called upon those inside the mall to take him out. The survivor snek was brave enough to take up Genny's cause, blew aeneid away, and tossed him into the dumpsters outside. Thank you, snek, for this great service you performed. In response to some questions others have raised, let me emphasize that killing GKers is not true PKing, and should not land him, me, or anybody else who takes down GKers on a PK list. GKers are a threat to all survivors. Defending our generators by expelling GKers from our midst is a pro-survivor act. The key now is do not revive aeneid or any other GKer. See the wiki site for Genny's Revenge for information on known GKers. Always know who you're reviving. Check their profile. Check the wiki for their group affiliations. -- Private Bill Paxton

I wasn't part of this original posting, but I'd just like to pipe in for anyone listening: Don't forget that not all survivors in Yagoton metagame via the Wiki, even certain otherwise organized groups. Or that zombie groups may be revivifying their own kind in secret to commit these sort of acts. It's good that you're keeping track, but try to keep this in mind: If someone wants to be revived, they'll find a way...and thats mostly a good thing. --MorthBabid 01:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

At any rate, the YRC generally has a neutral revivication policy, right? That's a good thing, I'd say. Anyway, Soadsod, sources? Reasons? --Doubler 18:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

November 15th 'Discussion'

Moved from the news page, for the same reasons MorthBabid moved the previous chatter. --Pchem 06:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• November 15th

Bale Mall is also experiencing a huge influx of zombie spies since the fall of Caiger. Early this morning the confirmed Shacknews spy ZombieLobo" (id=648223) arrived in the Bale Mall from Caiger. This clown (who has zombie in his name, has full zombie skills and only helpful human ones) brazenly strolls into Bale making negative comments about the Caiger Mall survivors, and all the while has "shacknews.com" entered in his profile link. The zombie spys in Bale are becoming bigger in number and in boldness. Just yesterday, 5 Humans with brain rot, zombie skills, NO human skills and no descriptions/group were all freely sleeping in the adjoining St.Matthews hospital without anyone caring. Thankfully a few Bale Mall citizens dilligently killed these zombie spys posing as humans. The recent rise in zombie spys is especially troubling considering that Shacknews had the same M.O. for Caiger. What Shacknews does is send in a lot of zed spys pretending to be human right before the shacknews zombie hordes attack. The zed spys get there early in order to fit in and not raise suscpicion, and to scout the mall and report info on weaknesses before the invasion. Then shacknews hits all the surrounding NT buildings before attacking a chosen corner based on the intel from embedded spys. One of the mistakes the Caiger survivors made was not bothering to kill the zed spys when they were pointed out. The Bale Mall survivors cannot let this mistake happen with them. We have to take the zombie trash out and not let it pile up in our mall, and even more importantly we need to check profiles before we revive. Do not revive zombie spys, Gkers, Pkers and that will go a long way in helping to defend the mall.

Either the Yagoton population is getting paranoid, or they don't like zombies trying to get their life back has humans. Let it be known that ZombieLobo was not spying in any way, and that not everyone affiliated with Shacknews is bad and wants to eat puny human brains see shack Resistance. In any case, Yagoton will be small breakfast for the shack zombie horde if they plan to migrate here. If the humans of Bale Mall think that killing random zombies will make any difference to the shacknews horde, they should be prepared to suffer a fate similar to that of Caiger Mall --Lobo 13:35, 15 November 2006 (EST)

-(Wasn't part of original post)- I'd just like to point out that without any form of screenshot evidence, any claim of wrongdoing is pretty much left up to hearsay and rumor. --MorthBabid 20:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Condolences from Shuttlebank

For what little it's worth (and we're not in terribly good shape ourselves, as yet), Yagoton's survivors have the sympathies and, where possible, best efforts, of Shuttlebankers who found safety and support in Yagoton when SSB was first hit some weeks back, while Yagoton was still green. Yagoton is a noble suburb and will, as Shuttlebank will, rise again, thanks to its dedicated and noble survivors. Barbecue Barbecue 21:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yagoton vs. Shacknews

This is a message to everyone pro-survivor whether he be dead or alive at the moment.

Shacknews is on a rampage, and there's little we can do alone to resist. Shacknews will move out eventually, and people can get revives somewhere else and take Yagoton back from the ferals, but as a community, survivors all active around Yagoton, that can't be satisfying.

What we're trying to do is get the various groups active in Yagoton to discuss their actions together. We're trying to form an ad-hoc coalition against Shacknews and associated ferals, and we invite all non-affiliated Yagotonites to work to this as well.

This does not mean affiliating yourself with the Abandoned, and it does not mean submitting to the Abandoned. We're only trying to create the medium for people and groups to communicate, and do not intent to gasp leadership over anything. What it does mean, is pledging your support to keeping Yagoton free of the zombie infestations and your unwillingness to go down without a fight.

I hope this sparks the interest of groups and people in Yagoton. For information, contact us here or at http://abandoned.lucien.cx/.

--Doubler 13:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC),The Abandoned

Good idea, Yagoton could use some organization! Hope you get plenty of support from local citizens. The YRC will try to keep the labs warm for ya'll. --MorthBabid 17:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

A board for general Yagotonite discussion has been created at http://abandoned.lucien.cx/index.php?board=36.0. Everyone can post there, no need to register, just be on the survivor side and have ideas about how Yagoton should be. Currently we (the Abandoned admins) mod it, but if it works out we'll make it as independant from the Abandoned as we can.

Let's make Yagoton the greatest suburb in Malton, together, like survivors --Doubler 20:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding Disciples of Zeko to History page

The cult seems to be gone, but the controversy remains. Lets keep it in our thoughts! Sure, they were a pain in our butts. But they were OUR pain in the butt! :) Visit the Disciples of Zeko page to get a link to vote on getting them voted into the Historical section; We'll need at least 15 votes (no sockpuppeting, of course). While I didn't care for their actions, they sure made my life in Yagoton interesting during a time when our suburb was far less talked-about and energetic than it is now. I'd hate to see the site deleted. --MorthBabid 01:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

That's strange, I was in the Whatmore maybe two or three weeks ago and someone pk'ed three or four people and started raving about Zeko. Eh...could be a copycatter, too. --Migbatt 03:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

A idea

at the moment, and since the early stages of recovery after shacknews invaded and saked bale, the gap between north and south yagoton has really come to the point of 2 suburb's and the status of yagoton as a whole is undescribale in one article. we need to make a way to fix this.--Darkmagic 23:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• True, the Northern part of Yagoton seems to be under siege more often than the south part... (the opposite is true when zed forces approach from the south, of course)--Private Mark 04:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

ever since the shacknews horde and ferals pulled out and we could reocupy the south half has been in a near perpetual yellow/green status--Darkmagic 04:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Discussion from January 25th

Private mark, incase you havn't noticed, all hell has broken lose, one single safehouse isn't enough, also, broadcasting the news on a radio or on the wiki is a suicde tactic in a suburb under seige. revives in south yagoton are at a standstill at the moment.--Darkmagic 02:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

So you'd prefer killing survivor morale instead? That's not how Yagoton bounced back from the recent Shacknews siege, nor any other threat. Let the "3vil doers" come. It'll only land them on a permanent GKER/PKER/RKER list, as well as giving us free-to-kill rights. The point is, you stated that Yagoton's hell right now, but I'm giving a ray of hope within that hell. --Private Mark 02:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Well broadcasting the location of the few safehouses in whats left of the formerly green south yagoton is a suicde tactic, they will go after safehouses. At the moment, it's best to leave the suburb, south yagoton, the main region, which is the revive clinic, is utterly dead.--Darkmagic 02:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And giving up this early is what causes so many survivor groups to fail so easily. I say this: As a fellow resident of Yagoton, if you truly care about saving your comrades and beating the (beep) out of the zed menace, then we should go out there, and do something about it. Also, how do you know that broadcasting safehouses is a "suicide" tactic? In fact, it seems more like a good one, as it draws away the main zed force from more important buildings, such as revive points. But enough of this, if you want to debate it further, then contact me on my discussion page. --Private Mark 02:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Lets see why its a bad idea,

1: survivors may go to it 2: it gets filled with people trying to stay alive 3: a horde breaks in 4: kills all inside 5: they now have to go find a revive point.

• thats why, It is more costly to let people go there and atract zeds at the same time, and calling south yagoton safe isn't a good idea either..--Darkmagic 02:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

1. Whatmore Building and Bale left zed free, easily retaken, rebarricaded, re-powered.

2. Zombie forces mistakenly mass towards South West Yagoton, thinking that there's food to be had.

3. Zombies realized they've been tricked, and that those few survivors there were mere decoys.

4. Zombies head back and have to go back to the trouble of retaking both Bale AND both revive points, and in the process give other survivors (obviously they would be somewhat more spread out) plenty of time to organize attacks on horde members, slowing their retaking of key areas.

5 Horde get's annoyed. Survivors are t3h win.

--Private Mark 03:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Note: I told you to continue this on my talk page if you wanted. Technically, this argument may be against the wiki rules.

Do you think the players are that stupid to send them all back, this is a tour, they moved to south yagoton to stop the revive effort, though zeds are stupid, the PLAYERS ARE NOT. that is typical survivor mind's, think that cause zeds are stupid that the players are even as stupid as a braindead zombie, that actuly is a unfair look.--Darkmagic 03:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Syringe Discussion from Front News Page

Moved here from the News page as of my timestamp. --MorthBabid 18:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait, syringe manufacture? Why would anyone manufacture syringes, when searching is likely to give you so much more in return? --Pchem 20:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Because, it's a 100% gain rate, it may cost alot of ap but it's faster then searching the building since you can turn up useless items, if you need revive sticks, it's generly implied you have a Dna extracter and they waste ap to get.--Darkmagic 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It comes down to personal preference... I often find 3 or more syringes in 20 AP of searching, and dropping scanners and GPSes doesn't take any extra AP. But when things are slow, I do often manufacture instead of search. --Gasbandit 14:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

June 12th

ok, first off, shut the fuck up about style needing ot be held while we jsut "go help" whatmore, if whatmore falls half the suburb falls, if style falls we still have other necrotech points around the suburb. theres one a few blocks away in yagoton, and one 6 or 7 away in the northern half, if style goes its not like were out of necro's people so dont act like style is all important/ --Darkmagic 14:55, 12 June 2007 (BST)

i'm coming to bale just to kill you----Sexualharrison ^{MR• ה •T} 15:16, 15 July 2007 (BST)

August 4th

After a prolonged scout throughout Yagoton, I can safely say that it is a lot more quiet than usual. I freeran through nearly every building in the suburb, and practically every single one was barricaded and populated. The most of the fighting seems to be concentrated on the area immediately around Whatmore, and even then is limited to around 25 zombies. All it will take is one final push by the Yagoton-ites to fully retake the suburb, once and for all. Changed danger level.--Stuartbman 11:18, 4 August 2007 (BST)

I wouldn't say "once and for all." If LUE takes Stickling Mall after they're done in Santlerville there's every chance they'll come through Yagotown on their way to Bale. Or they may do Bale first, although that seems less likely. Either way, by this time next week Yagoton could easily be fire engine red.--Jiangyingzi 18:03, 4 August 2007 (BST)

*chuckles* When is Yagoton not fire engine red? At any rate, the zombie presence at Bale is either dropping, or the horde outside is becoming lethargic. Every now and then there's a break in at the Style Building, but we take it back in shorter time. Life is.... well, not necessarily good, but not necessarily bad either.--Private Mark 06:14, 5 August 2007 (BST)

Archive

There's no archive for this page. Shall I create it or leave it as it is? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 18:37, 10 July 2008 (BST)

I was wondering the same thing. Where the fuck is the archive?--Luke Skywalker 14:28, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Oh, it was speedy deleted under crit. 1.--Luke Skywalker 14:34, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply, indicating that you are active in this suburb. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
The Abandoned	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Malton Fire Department	26 January 2010	Removed
Malton Forensics Unit	26 January 2010	Removed
Malton Police Department	26 January 2010	Removed
Malton Rangers	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Malton Response Team G	26 January 2010	Removed
Snatchers	26 January 2010	Removed
Upper Left Corner	26 January 2010	Removed
Yagoton Revivification Clinic	26 January 2010	Removed
Undeadites	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Chocolate Thunder	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Cobra	26 January 2010	Confirmed
The Devil's Rejects	26 January 2010	Removed
Philosophe Knights	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Sisters of Death	28 January 2010	Removed
This suburb has been cleared. —Aichon— 09:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2010 team. Thanks. —Aichon— 23:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation as we cleaned up the group listings for this suburb. Your help in reaching out to groups and replying to our requests has been much appreciated. —Aichon— 09:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)