Talk:Malton Uprising

Malton Uprising/Archive

This is Worthless...

What do you think killing a bunch of DEM members and putting up anti-DEM propaganda will solve? Do you really think the DEM is going to disband because a few of the members get killed? I've been killed loads of times, and guess what I do? I get back up, get revived, and get back to my work.--SirArgo ^Talk 20:57, 26 August 2008 (BST)

What do you think killing a bunch of CGR comrades and putting up anti-rebel propaganda will solve? Do you really think the CGR is going to disband because a few of our comrades get killed? I've been BHed loads of times, and guess what I do? I get back up, get revived, and get back to killing DEM members. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:09, 26 August 2008 (BST)

i loled --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:16, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Ditto. :) (err...to both the lol and the sentiment) --Jen 22:41, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Did I say you had to disband? No! I don't care if you have a group who hates the DEM and tries to kill us at every turn, you have every right to hate whoever you want. I just don't see why you have to create huge "uprising" to destroy the DEM, when you know it won't do anything. I think you just enjoy huge group warfare and don't give a damn about the survivors struggle at all. Just my opinion, I brace for the flaming...--SirArgo ^Talk 05:40, 27 August 2008 (BST)

You can think whatever the hell you want, but just wait till the Uprising comes to judge it. --Alphy 15:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)

What's to judge? MANL's just another small, forgettable PK group in a game with dozens of small, forgettable PK groups. If you bag two DEM members each on 9/9 you might crack a double-digit tally for the day. If anyone outside MANL is actually interested in being part of this (which I doubt), you might get a dozen or so people scattered across the city randomly killing DEM members. That's not gonna be noticed against the background noise of zombie break-ins, bounties, and regular PKs that go on every single day. This is going to be a "succesful" anti-DEM operation in the same way the Gibsonton Nationals were. Turkmenbashi 16:17, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Turkmenbashi you underestimate the amount of players that will join in but you are right in the fact that the DEM will not be destroyed by such an uprising. This is why i am suggesting that everyone involved with the uprising converge to one suburb and complely rid it of the DEM members within its borders. We can then hold onto the suburb from counterattacks by the DEM which will certainly come. In this way we can truly start to destroy the DEM. The only problem is deciding upon the suburb to converge. Brian Vesty 17:18, 27 August 2008 (BST)

That probably won't work either. First thing; 100 suburbs, they can simply relocate temporarily (if they even notice). Second: Why would they counter-attack, they'll just let bounty hunters take care of that. Yes, if you wipe out all DEM members in an area you might avoid the fact that it goes entirely unnoticed as Turk points out. But in all likelihood the DEM won't really register any attack as anything more than a regular day at the office. - User:Whitehouse 17:25, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Do you have to bold at least one sentence in everything you write?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 20:57, 27 August 2008 (BST)

So this is, what, the Big Bash for PKers specifically geared against members of the DEM? You'd have better directed your energies creating positive propaganda for other existant groups. Or for a more organized effort, try tying multiple groups that already target the DEM (for whatever reason). This all stems from this image. "If you're not with us, you're dead" isn't exactly the message you want to send to players. Pakopako 18:35, 27 August 2008 (BST)

tl;dr It's a picture of |police brutality]. You know. Like the LAPD is sometimes accused of? And it reads: "You're either with us or you're DEM" (not dead) for reference. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:33, 27 August 2008 (BST)

It should have been "You're either with us or you're with DEM", because then it would sound like "With them" and people might think you are clever or something.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 20:57, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Couldn't see the image while I was typing and for some reason you omitted the "with" while explaining your cleverness to Pako.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 21:00, 27 August 2008 (BST)

How does posting those pictures prove a damn thing about the DEM? They are just random scenes of real life killings and cruelties with poorly pasted anti-DEM slogans on them. I thought the uprising was against the DEM's supposed propaganda postings, and yet you put shit like that up! This whole event is one giant hypocritical morons club!--SirArgo ^Talk 21:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)

That's advertising in a nutshell Sir. Labine, I was more concerned with players who are not actively against the DEM. It is one thing to instigate doubt against someone else, it is another to prove your point. Pakopako 04:06, 28 August 2008 (BST)

No, advertising in a nutshell is the art of selling a concept to people. The only concept the Malton Uprising images are selling is that the Uprising is ran by fourteen year old boys who think UD is Serious Business. And while you're pushing that message pretty well, I'm not sure it's what I'd call a brilliant advertising strategy. Turkmenbashi 07:35, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Then you should upload over my pictures or complain loudly like Sonny used to and get them removed. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Thank you for proving you are a troll, here to just fight. You really don't give a care about the survivor cause.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:22, 27 August 2008 (BST)

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Malton_Uprising#Instructions

I didn't even mention DEM propoganda. I mentioned sprays. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:25, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Crusade '08 I'm already preparing my next project after the DEM is finally dead. It's open invitation. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:27, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Just tell me how posting those pictures helps out your cause? It only makes you guys look bad!--SirArgo ^Talk 21:33, 27 August 2008 (BST)

A: It doesn't help. LISTEN TO THE MAN!

Also, Paokopako has a point about the "you're either with us or you're with DEM" poster. Doesn't matter if it says "death" or not, because that's what it still implies. It's saying "you're either with us, or our enemy." And that's utter BS, not to mention one of those same false dichotomies you're supposedly opposing. (Or something like that). People could legitimately hate both you folks AND the DEM, you know. *rolls eyes* The inherent contradiction ain't worth the amusement of the DEM/"them" similarity. --Jen 21:46, 27 August 2008 (BST)

So the reason for him putting those pictures up is that, as I have stated before and you kinda stated now (I hope I didn't misunderstand you. I don't want to put words in your mouth) is that he doesn't really care about survivors in general. That makes me think he just hates them DEM for some reason and this whole thing is just a personal vendetta that he is trying to attract recruits for so he can carry it out.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)

I don't presume to judge motives here, only tactics. He may just have a grudge against the DEM, or he may indeed think that destroying the DEM will somehow lead to a better Malton for all survivors. Maybe both. But in either case, if one DOES desire to turn folks against the DEM, I don't think those particular posters are a smart way to do it. At all. --Jen 22:30, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Thanks Jen. Pakopako 04:18, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Then the original purpose of the piece was lost on the reader. And we do have a bunch others to look at...

"Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of art." -Paraphrased from Dee Snider

The piece symbolizes that you're either the opressor or the opressed.

This piece symbolizes the blinding suffering of the victims of the DEM and the mind numbing cruelty of the opressors.

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||02:13, 28 August 2008 (BST)

I thought it was a mexican baby. Oops. Anyway, as long as the malton uprising says "our goal is to kill dem" then they can't fail. It's the same tactic that the DA used in Gibsonton. "As long as you're vague and show no opening for losses then you automatically win." Of course no one else will listen. But cheers --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 02:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure that was the same tactic everyone used in Gibsonton. But seriously, if you guys think we're evil, or pathetic, or whatever the hell else you think we are for doing this, look at what your doing! You're defending a friggin internet games establishment! Do you have nothing else better to do then fight over whether us making posters was a good idea? Don't some of you belong to other groups, who supposedly "Care about the survivor cause"? Isn't Turk just a douche? Does anyone else agree with me here? And since when is Sonny not abusive, overly? You guys are all losing your touch. Malton is decaying from the inside (or outside, however you look at it), and you sitting in your buildings and doing the same thing over and over again isn't helping the survivor cause at all anymore. I wonder how much more active groups will become after a massive pker war. I wonder if it's even possible for the zombies to win this game. It isn't. There is no survivor cause. Doesn't change sound more fun then just waiting for boredom to set in and kill us all anyway? Peace out bitches. Get ready for the ninth--Alphy 15:46, 28 August 2008 (BST)

No. I don't think you're evil. I think you're an angsty 14-16 yr old who lashes out at authority figures, wears Che t-shirts, and has watched Enemy At The Gates one too may times and has an homoerotic fascination with Socialism. Other than that, I don't agree with anything you just said. And I'm abusive when it is necessary, otherwise I'm an easy guy to get along with. I just ask that whatever you say makes sense and isn't completely fucking stupid. Like creating a "revolution" against the big bad DEM. That's fucking stupid because revolutions and Commie crap is played out and just stupid. And the DEM isn't big and bad. In my opinion they are a joke. They never have more than a couple of guys in a suburb and even then at the first sign of zombies they run away. The DEM is good for one reason, a lot of their high command runs brainstock and it gives me a place to troll freely. Other than that I wouldn't even bother with them. You and Secruss really need to give this shit a rest. Your "free the oppressed" shit isn't funny or motivating, it's downright childish and dumb. If you want to just be open and straightforward saying, "Look, I don't fucking like the DEM so we're going to grief the fucking shit out of them. You down?" I'll support that. But all this "viva la" whatever crap is fucked. Get a new schtick. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:22, 29 August 2008 (BST)

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||04:05, 30 August 2008 (BST)

:'( y r u so meen? Anyway. Get fucking photoshop or gimp or something. Seriously, MSPaint... And Secruss, how old are you really? 14? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 04:08, 30 August 2008 (BST)

WHAaaaaaaaaa D..X

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||23:09, 30 August 2008 (BST)

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=9974&hl= This made me laugh. I get killed every day. I got killed by Aiden earlier. (I probably deserved that one for trying to frame him, won't happen again.) --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||03:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)

You guys are lucky you caught me after my FULL TIME JOB. Sonny, don't scare me like that again man. I thought for a second you'd stopped taking this seriously. And we really don't like the DEM, so we're getting the hell rid of them on the ninth. Gone. Extermination. I don't care how many people you think we have, or what you think we're going to do, or where you think we're going to do it, but it's going to happen. When it's over you will never see my sorry as again. But until then I'm going to make them hurt. Don't doubt. Don't ask questions. Get prepared. If nothing happens the worst that will have gone down is you enjoyed making fun of me for a few more weeks. But you can trust me, they're going to get their shit tossed. Red Rum can help or they can go fuck themselves, I don't care. Same with DORIS. But it ends in September. I'm going to sleep for 12 hours now.--Alphy 05:03, 31 August 2008 (BST)

RG: Scoreboard

Bringing me to the next piece. The RG. It is held by PKers at the PKA as essentially a scoreboard of good a killer you are. And it doesn't deter crime as death is not final and you can't imprison us anyway.

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:09, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Wait, lots of PKers don't care about being on the Rogue's Gallery and some even see it as a way of keeping score? JESUS CHRIST SECRUSS YOU HAVE BLOWN MY MIND! NOBODY EVER REALISED THIS BEFORE! I THOUGHT THE RG WAS GONNA MAKE THOSE NASTY PK GROUPS DISBAND ANY DAY NOW! HOW WRONG I WAS! THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CAPITAL LETTERS TO EXPRESS MY SHOCK AND DISMAY HERE! MY MONOCLE POPPED OUT! Turkmenbashi 03:00, 28 August 2008 (BST)

DEM Workers' Solidarity Movement

This all counter-revolutionary Bakunism.

I call upon all true socialists and revolutionaries to reject the "Malton Uprising" and to condemn the regressive, bourgeois-individualist putchists behind it -- condemn those who would slay their fellow workers, and in the process incite even more reaction among the masses!

Instead, the advanced segments of working classes are urged stand with their comrades in DEM, in true working class solidarity. Join the DEM Workers' Solidarity Movment on 9/9/08! Then... on 11/9 we remember... Remember Allende! Viva la revolucion! --WanYao 08:14, 28 August 2008 (BST)

"The only way to change is to do nothing over a long period of time." Good luck with that Wan.--Alphy 15:48, 28 August 2008 (BST)

"Hail Satan" -Squirrely the Squirrel --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||02:17, 29 August 2008 (BST)

You guys are soooo clever... --WanYao 02:21, 29 August 2008 (BST)

To All DEM Members/Brainstock Regulars

Stop posting here. You're just making yourselves look like idiots while making points for the other side. Seriously on the archive there is an entire discussion about stupidity and the poster literally made the entire alt abuse argument, but seemingly didn't pick up on the subtleties and continued to rant making numerous points that could be used to justify the cheating allegations.

facepalm.jpg--Janine 02:54, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Janine is right. You cannot win. Surrender now and you may be given an honorable death.--Alphy 03:49, 29 August 2008 (BST)

lulz Turkmenbashi 10:57, 29 August 2008 (BST)

No Alphy, I just want them to stop and think before typing and argue with you logically. I still think that this is going to fail horribly.--Janine 11:15, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Don't be ashamed. There's nothing wrong with accepting defeat in the face of outstanding moral high-grounding and overwhelming odds.--Alphy 15:46, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Moral high ground? Overwhelming odds? I'm kind of at a loss about how either of them terms applies to this lulzfest. Turkmenbashi 13:03, 30 August 2008 (BST)

I'd say "overwhelming odds" might refer to the DEM + all its allies vs. 10 people? ;) "Moral high ground" is a bit iffier, 'cause I honestly think pretty much everyone involved in all sides has lost any semblance of it by now. "Lulzfest," however, it most certainly is. --Jen 13:23, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Considering the fact that I'm a pker and general death cultist that doesn't worry about swinging a reputation around, I'd love it if the DEM and RG got taken down. But I also know that it probably won't happen unless you only target the DEM's healers and needle monkeys. But that would still leave the majority of the DEM with live characters and ammunition.--Janine 18:54, 29 August 2008 (BST)

There's no shortage of random revivers. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:11, 29 August 2008 (BST)

I take offense to that. Both Redrum, and the Gore Corps have supported this wonderful undertaking. I've heard there are more groups involved too. 9/9, the revolution will be radio-broadcasted. Bobs Aturd 06:37, 31 August 2008 (BST)