UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Required Warnings

Discussion

As mentioned on IRC, I think the A/DE aspect adds some unnecessary paperwork. I like that it isn't required for all A/DE requests, just ones that originate from someone else, and I'd support it if it went to vote this way, but I'd prefer that the A/DE aspect be taken out entirely, and that only escalations required providing warning to the user. —Aichon— 08:33, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Seems about right. This was always an unwritten rule in the past.--Thadeous Oakley 10:38, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Sort of. More often than not, users aren't actually told when they are banned. We stopped doing it consistently a while ago. As for warnings, we've always done them, so there isn't much harm in enforcing them. As for de-escalations, I think it's annoying and adds more grinding tasks to the sysop when he has to de-escalate someone, but meh. He amended the issue with double-redundancy regarding A/DE requests so I think I'll live with this policy in its current state. --

 

 

 

 

10:51, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Seems fair. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:04, 11 April 2010 (BST)

I'd support it with the need to notify of a deescalation removed. The reason for a notification of an increase in the escalation status is clear, because such an escalation means they are getting closer to a permban. Deescalation doesn't affect them adversely at all, and forcing sysops to go out of their way to inform vandals that they now have "one more bonus chance" to vandalise just seems counter-productive -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:07 11 April 2010 (BST)

What he said ^^^^--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 13:38, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Eh, go for it. I've always warned those I've escalated in the past, so it's just an extra chunk of text to me, but codifying these things is nice. 13:13, 11 April 2010 (BST)

I take it this covers the three-edit rule and spambots? Similarly to above, I don't see the de-escalation part as necessary.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 13:31, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Interesting thought. Spambots don't get userpages or user talk pages. In terms of 3-edit vandals, I'd prefer if ops didn't have to. It's a clause to eliminate dedicated vandal/spam accounts which don't serve a purpose as a normal user on the wiki in the first place, they don't need to be notified since in 99% of cases it's what they're expecting in the first place. --

 

 

 

 

13:39, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Well that's what I was thinking, and if so, that would be a minor amendment which would need to be discussed.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 13:40, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Nope. Spambots got no talk pages, so get no warnings. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:44, 11 April 2010 (BST)

By that logic, folks with no talk pages get no warnings either, which isn't good. I think Yonnua is right: an amendment to the policy is necessary. —Aichon— 00:30, 12 April 2010 (BST)

I'm sorry folks,... but the first thing that came to mind when I read this was the Police Blotter in the paper,... honestly no one gives a damn about joe blow, who de-escallated today for being a good citizen, and john smith who escalated for being new to the wiki.... you all get my point? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 14:59, 11 April 2010 (BST)

No. I have no idea what you're talking about at all. This policy is about the clear warning of users On their talk page. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:13, 11 April 2010 (BST)

He might be thinking of this policy. 18:35, 11 April 2010 (BST)

No, I think he is actually talking about this policy... --

 

 

 

 

00:03, 12 April 2010 (BST)

I are confused. 00:07, 12 April 2010 (BST)

I think he thought we were thinking that when people get (de)escalated, we thought that a notification should be made to the whole wiki, I think.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:08, 12 April 2010 (BST)

I'll be shouting mine from the rooftops. 00:12, 12 April 2010 (BST)

Mutant Albino Shouting Gorilla?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:13, 12 April 2010 (BST)

Troglodytes gorilla albinus belligerus. 00:14, 12 April 2010 (BST)

Yes. but with pudding.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:16, 12 April 2010 (BST)

It sounds good to me. I support it. --Jesant13 23:12, 13 April 2010 (BST)

Re: A/DE

I'd be willing to remove the notification of de-escalations due to A/DE provided it's accepted that I can add a clause in this policy that mandates that A/DE cases can only be made for yourself. I've always thought it retarded that someone else can go around fucking with your history, remove that possibility and there's no need for notification due to A/DE cases. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:39, 14 April 2010 (BST)