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Aichon

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Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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• I like to keep conversations wherever they start, but if a conversation ends up here, I will keep it here.
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Thanks. —Aichon—

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Zerg Impersonation

Hey, will keep an eye out for the Aichon zerg. I'm just surprised you hadn't created a throwaway character with the Aichon name ages ago — leaving yourself open to a jebbush.com moment. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 19:55, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I thought about it years ago, but just decided it wasn't worth it. Despite anything going on now, I still don't think it would have been worth my time to create the account. I kinda get a laugh out of the fact that anyone else got worked up enough by me to go and actually do it. Not to mention that they didn't even get the wiki's name correct. —Aichon— 22:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Re: Zerging Baz Baziah

Good evening. I have been playing Urban Dead since July 2007 with my one and only character Baz Baziah [1]. since 2008 I have been a member of the Department of Emergency Management group [2] within the sub group of the Malton Forensic Unit [3] and lately as a Malton Marshal within the DEM -a role that as you are most likely aware aimed at reducing PK'ing and Zerging within the game. Furthermore I am also a member of the DEM counsel [4] and liaison for the Malton Marshals.

So, after introducing myself and giving you a potted history of my time playing Urban dead, I come to the reason for my post here. Earlier tonight (25th Feb 16) you and several of your Zombie assistants killed myself and several others (including another DEM player)inside of Wadham cinema [39,54] on the pretext that I was a known Zerger "POS" and the people inside the cinema with me are also part of my Zerging group. Can I ask where this evidence comes from against me and the other players and can you back it up? I have only EVER played this one character, although my Son plays another character from his own laptop via our home network and I have several friends who also play the game, and oppose all acts of PKing, Zerging and destroying the game for other players.

I await your reply.

Jim —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bas Baziah (talk • contribs) 21:47, 25 February 2016‎ (UTC).

Jim, I'm afraid this is a case of identity theft. You can find a discussion about this particular case over at PatheticBill's talk page, where it was briefly discussed. I've also done some quick documentation of the issue over at my Characters page.

As you, I've been playing the game for a number of years, since 2009 in my case. I've led the Soldiers of Crossman, am on the leadership council of the Philosophe Knights, helped lead strike teams for the MOB, was one of the people in charge of Big Bashes 3 and 4, and have faithfully served both as a sysop and active member of the community here on the wiki. While you and I may disagree a bit about the role of PKing in Malton (I view it as an accepted and enjoyable activity, though I personally only engage in it on my dedicated PKer character), we are very much so on the same side when it comes to zerging or other forms of cheating that are contrary to the rules posted by Kevan (I even had a peer reviewed suggestion back in 2009 that was designed to eliminate unintentional cheating), so I am very sorry that this zerger has caused you trouble while using my name.

Suffice to say, I have no grievance with you. If anything, I'd be interested in coordinating with you on keeping a bead on him. The last I saw of him was about a week ago in the Caiger area. He's been attacking the SoC's home suburb (Darvall Heights) for the last few weeks, as well as posting graffiti aimed at me and the SoC, accusing us of zerging and other things. That's his standard modus operandi, I'm afraid, so I've come to expect it when he's around, but I haven't seen him for about a week now, so this is the first I've heard that he's still active and in the area. To say the least, feel free to deal with him as you see fit.

And, once again, I apologize for any inconvenience he's causing you. —Aichon— 22:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for going off like a firecracker at you.

Last year I and the members of the "Galbraith Hills Police Department" group had a run in with the fools of "The Jack Yocum" after we waged a campaign to rid Shore & Galbraith Hills of there Zerging/PKing actions. This was a huge mistake which resulted in myself and the GHPD team being killed time and time again -sometimes as much as three times in one 24 hour period for me, by one of the 80 odd Zergs. The final straw came as all but one of the GHPD and my Baz character getting banned from the game for being repeated Griefers and Zergs of "Baz Baziah". This resulted in me dropping out of the game for several months hoping that this would blow over and JY would have forgotten about me and moved off. It appears I was wrong, as within 72 hours of standing back up I was once again subject to a targeted attack!

Do you have any details or can you point me in the direction of details on this JY clone group? I have a list of around 75 of them, who strangly go inactive and active within minutes of each other. Any ideas who it was that banned the GHPD account and can appeal to them, trying to mail Kevan met with an "I'm not really interested, create a new account" kind of reply which was no help!

Perhaps we can work together to try and stop "Aichon" but I think 2 players with 1 Character apiece v a Zerg who can create as many clones as they need, we are not going to get very far.

Jim —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bas Baziah (talk • contribs) 08:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC).

No worries! I understand the frustration.

In terms of appeals, I'm afraid Kevan is the one and only place you can appeal to. If you haven't been able to get through to him, I'm afraid I don't know of any alternatives.

As far as details about the zerg "group" go, I'm afraid I don't know much. As I said, the last I saw of him was over a week ago, so your report of seeing him in Shore Hills is the most up-to-date intel I have regarding him. That said, quite a few people read anything that's said on this talk page, so if any of them have information regarding his current location, I hope that they'll chime in. *hint hint all of you lurkers out there*

And yes, I agree that we won't get far when it comes to working by ourselves. Really, my goal is to restore our power to choose how we deal with him, whether through direct confrontation or avoidance. We can't do that unless we know where he is, however, hence my comment. Hopefully that makes a little better sense, but basically, I don't want a zerger dictating how anyone plays the game, and if we know where he is, it restores our ability to choose how we play. —Aichon— 16:42, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Try looking at Bale Mall in Yagoton. There is a group claiming to be Jack Yocum that has "taken over" and is targeting the "zergs" of Nation Library with the usual wild accusations and random targeting. They seem to be very susceptible to the common UD illusion that anyone with a common goal and some competence must be a zerg, which is ironic. There also seems to be a hall of mirrors effect as there was an anti(?) Yocum group called The Jack Yocum for a while as I recall? (For history, seek out the information about the Alpha Dogs on Resensitized, also a part of this whole demented affair, as is, I believe, the Goth Store Drama and "that one guy who threatened to sue Kevan.") --Ginormous (talk) 21:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

As an FYI to anyone reading, Crossman Grove PD in Darvall Heights got hit by 13 zombies all of a sudden today, and I just noticed some graffiti saying, "Seekandyeshallfind/DrJackson=Fake PKnights=ZERG". Given that DrJackson is a well known zerg hunter (and that I suspect he was recently in the area since I saw some Philosophe Knight graffiti around recently as well), it seems likely that the zergs are back up in Darvall, engaging in their strange smear campaign. —Aichon— 21:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

It might be useful, if not already there somewhere, to create a page on the wiki that contains news items on up-to-date zerg activity. (I know there's Resensitized but maybe something wiki Danger Report -ish.) A project if anyone wants it. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Resens is largely dead anyway and more interesting for its old backlog of zerging documentation. The wiki would probably be a more high-profile place to document current zerg sightings. -- Spiderzed▋ 11:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

So, anyone want to take me up on this offer? Could start with a name at least. Or just get Bob to do everything. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:37, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

I think I'd rather not take the lead on this one, mostly because I don't think cataloguing zergs is as clear-cut as e.g. danger statuses. As we've seen before, things tend to rapidly decay into back-and-forth "you're a zerg! no you are!" Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 12:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Stick it in my namespace. Ill keep an eye on the bugger. Resens backed up anywhere?--Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 18:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Its Jack "we have 60 players who all go inactive at the same time" yocum. Maltons favorite crybaby and "ill fight you in real life" hero (once he gets off dads internetz). He zerg impersonates cool people as he gets jealous a little and often upset the Bills pawned him all the way back in 2007. So Baz if you see any EmP's in game then shoot the shit out of them (me included).--EmPathetic Bill (talk) 04:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

You are my favourite Urban Dead Wikipedia Sysop.

Thought you should know. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 23:18, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I cracked up when I saw that he couldn't even get the wiki's name right while trying to impersonate me. Who calls it "Urban Dead Wikipedia"? *facepalm* At least impersonate me right, Mr. Zerger who will likely read this page at some point, if you're going to do it at all! —Aichon— 23:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

as a man who loves the small tells that give away zergers it did make me smile. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 18:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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No, no, see, he meant the Wikipedia page for Urban Dead. He works at Wikipedia, as you'll recall. He knows his stuff. It was no accident. —Aichon— 05:21, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

I was the one who called him shitbrain and I stand by it. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Great spot too, Rev. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Combining UD A-GPS Coordinates and UD Map Links scripts?

Hello, I ended up joining these two scripts for personal use, so that the DSS map links to `http://map.dssrzs.org/location/X-Y`; this way the tile my character is on will be at the center of the map and in yellow, which is convenient. I was wondering if you'd like to join the two scripts officially for public use. Thank you for those! -Weirdomen 3:30, 01 April 2016 (UTC)

Yours is one of those simple ideas that I wish I'd had, since it's both really useful and really obvious-in-hindsight once someone points out. I've modified the official versions of both userscripts to support the feature, but I've still kept the userscripts themselves separate, that way people can choose whether they want one, the other, or both. I've credited you in the comments of A-GPS as well. Thanks! —Aichon— 15:57, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

That's wonderful! Thank you! Weirdomen 1:35, 03 April 2016 (UTC)

Ellipsis Realty

Ellipsis, despite not (yet) knowing how to make a wiki ad, is definitely an actual group — they've PK'ed me. But their exact name is pretty confusing — I've seen Ellipsis Realty, The Ellipsis Realty Cult (in Capt Raymond Holt's profile; Felix Crossthorp, possibly a member, has no group listed), and now Ellipsis Realty Ltd. No idea why they've taken their group name from a realty company in Ontario. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:02, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

I think I may adopt a "shoot on sight" approach, simply on account of the spam ads they associate with. Or are they a cult that worships the spam ads and their creator? I have no idea what to believe any more. —Aichon— 16:21, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

In case you're tracking these guys, I've located Cult member Jack Gilhooly. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 09:51, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

New Idea

Hi,

For the past half hour or so, I've been brainstorming about linking the danger reports to the status of suburbs on the suburb map, but for the life of me, I can't figure it out.

The basic idea I had was to assign each status a certain value, which would be processed and result in a conclusion, for instance:

Rot Revive = +5 Safe = +3 Under attack = 0 Under Siege = -1 Ruined = -3 Pinata = -4 Unknown = -5

If the sum of all values is above X, the suburb is considered Safe, if it's between Y and X, it's considered Moderately Dangerous, etc.

Would such a thing be possible? :)

PB&J 17:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

You'd need a way to calibrate for proportion of buildings v open blocks, which can vary quite a lot from suburb to suburb, and would miss e.g. large groups of zombies that happen to be standing in open blocks, a situation I've recently encountered in East Becktown. And "unknown" statuses aren't indicative of zombie/survivor levels in-game, just that an area is underrepresented on the wiki. I've tried to make a system to "diagnose" suburbs this way based on EMR (see here, point 8). Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 18:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Ignoring Bob's (entirely valid and worthy of consideration) points for the moment and simply answering your question, if we had one of the math extensions installed on the wiki, yup, it'd be basically just one line of code. But I'm afraid we don't, so were it anyone else asking me, I'd just say, "nope, not possible", but because it's you and I know you're willing to go to excruciating lengths to make cool things happen...yes, I think it actually is possible, but it'd be mighty tedious.

Just thinking off the top of my head (i.e. never done this before) doing that sort of math would mean crafting a sorta-recursive algorithm by creating a template for each of the possible values in the total range, so for your example, you'd need 1000 templates to cover every possible value from -500 to +500. Each of those templates would be hand-coded to understand which other values are reachable from it (e.g. Template208 would know it could jump to templates 213, 211, 208 (itself), 207, 205, 204, and 203, depending on what value it was given). A short example of how it would work would be something like:

1. You include Template0 and give it values A, B, and C as parameters to add together.
2. Template0 tells TemplateA to add parameters B and C
3. TemplateA tells TemplateA+B to add parameter C
4. TemplateA+B tells TemplateA+B+C to add nothing
5. TemplateA+B+C provides back A+B+C as the final answer
6. TemplateDangerLevel takes that final number and converts it into a status

So, just to provide some dry-coded pseudo-code (i.e. this is some rough logic that is not guaranteed to work or be anywhere close to correct) for how something like this might work for calculating the total of the first three blocks in a suburb (let's say our example blocks have values +3, 0, and -5):

1. You'd start things off by giving Template0 your individual block values and then passing the result into TemplateDangerLevel: {{TemplateDangerLevel|{{Template0|Block1Value|Block2Value|Block3Value|...|Block100Value}}}}
2. TemplateDangerLevel would have something like: {{switch|{{{1}}}|case: -500=very dangerous|case: -499=very dangerous| ... |case: 499=safe|case: 500=safe}}
3. Template0 would be like: {{if|{{{1|}}}|{{Template{{switch|{{{1}}}|case: 5=5|case: 3=3|case: 0=0|case: -1=-1|case: -3=-3|case: -4=-4|case: -5=-5}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}| ... |{{{100}}}}}|0}}
4. Because Block1 had a value of 3, the above code would concatenate "Template" with "3" to then use Template3, which looks like: {{if|{{{1|}}}|{{Template{{switch|{{{1}}}|case: 5=8|case: 3=6|case: 0=3|case: -1=2|case: -3=0|case: -4=-1|case: -5=-2}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}| ... |{{{100}}}}}|3}}
5. Because Block2 was 0, Template3 would call itself again, which would result in Template-2 being used (because 3 - 5 = -2): {{if|{{{1|}}}|{{Template{{switch|{{{1}}}|case: 5=3|case: 3=1|case: 0=-2|case: -1=-3|case: -3=-5|case: -4=-6|case: -5=-7}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}| ... |{{{100}}}}}|-2}}
6. Because all of the parameters passed into Template-2 were empty, it would fail on the "if" statement and simply provide back "-2", which would be the final answer, which would then go into TemplateDangerLevel.

So, yes, it should be possible, but it'd be a real hassle, the wiki may break from it (I wouldn't know without testing it), and if someone decided to change the system later, it'd involve redoing all of those templates by hand. Not fun. But possible! —Aichon— 18:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, I'll look through the entire idea tomorrow morning (pretty late here), but to comment on the last part: who is still going to change the system at this point? I mean, there are barely enough people active to keep the current system alive, one of the reasons the DC was designed 4 (!) years ago.

The whole point is to automate as much as possible. PB&J 19:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Surely this would be easier with no ghost town criteria? --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 19:30, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Howdy

If its not too personal, how are the SOC doing? Where are you cruising about these days?--Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 19:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)