Talk:The Battle of SantLUEville

The Knight Arms

Just for clarification on the main page of this. It did NOT fall once during the battle. It is in fact still under siege and BAR members along with some other survivors are still inside holding it against a small horde of about 20-30 zombies. - Sargeant Fable on UD.

Okay, then go ahead and edit it accordingly once things have played out. On the way West into Huntley Heights, some LUEsers came a-knockin' and picked off a few people but didn't stay because we had to conserve the 10 AP to get to our rest stop before Stickling. And you can confirm with Rexy, but I believe that was our good-bye to him (even though a non-LUEser zombie got the kill).--Insomniac By Choice 03:01, 9 August 2007 (BST)

I can confirm that I died. But then again, who didn't that night? :) --Sexy Rexy Grossman 22:30, 10 August 2007 (BST)

I can safely say that I didn't die that night :P. though I did die once during the breakout in the mall, and once in the Hall NT. - Sargeant Fable

Well the battle of The Knight Arms is over, us survivors won. Just though I'd mention it here so that on the main page of this article it says the Knight never fell :P - Sargeant Fable

Ulysses Black

Junk and wiki drama of a tenuous relationship to the article itself.

Don't Get Butthurt By All The Beaver References

I see a lot of references to me and to the Beavers in this first edit. I'll be sure to work most of those out. As I've maintained before, during and after this siege, we Beavers wouldn't be able to put up quite a fight if it wasn't for 1) Santlerville's active and non-grouped residents, and 2) the Beavers' wonderful allies who came from near and far to help us. I've added a bunch of groups that I know were active, from the top of my head. If I leave your group out, please feel free to add it, and don't feel bad if I overlooked you. Its been a long week and a half. :)

Also, those of you survivor leaders who conferred with me on attack plans, please feel free to add yourself to the leaders list.

As with The Battle of Santlerville, I'm not looking to have a list of every survivor group known in the area to be in each paragraph. I'll be editing most of those refereces to "organized survivors" or something to that nature. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 00:54, 9 August 2007 (BST)

I know you're looking to be diplomatic and share the credit, and that's fine, but some of your humility is a disservice. The Beavers are the preeminent group in Santlerville and some of that needs to be edited back into the article. The Battle of Santlerville raised the opinion of the suburb as a whole, but the Beavers in particular, and deservedly so.--Insomniac By Choice 16:07, 10 August 2007 (BST)

Diplomatic smiplomatic; without Santlerville the Beavers wouldn't have a good name. Also, whoever edited out all the groups that was involved will know that I put those groups in there, and they all were verified in helping the burb. Without all their help, we wouldn't have been able to retake Hall/Dewes those few days we did. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 22:16, 10 August 2007 (BST)

You know, it would have been nice if I had saved all those group changes I made... Holy Ditka I am so dumb. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 22:35, 10 August 2007 (BST)

Noteworthy-ness

Is this really worth its own page? If Santlerville had stopped them sure, but as is it doesn't seem that noteworthy to me. It's historical in the context of LUE, and should no doubt be inluded as part of the LUE page if and when they become historical, but in terms of Malton at large, it's only really a footnote to the greater story of LUE. --Ulysses Black 23:48, 9 August 2007 (BST)

So only survivor victories are notable now? I'm sure it will never get historical status, but it was over a week of pretty constant fighting between two large, well-organized groups (although the survivors had many more independents involved). And strategically it shows the importance of holding NTs as part of survivors' ability to continue fighting. It was nowhere near as large or epic as The Battle of Santlerville, but it's notable and worth noting as its own event. And Christ, look at all the other shitty pages filling up this wiki.--Insomniac By Choice 00:07, 10 August 2007 (BST)

No, Zombie victories can be notable too, but for something to be notable it had to be noteworthy, and apart from it taking slightly longer, the Santlerville/LUE battle was not that noteworthy in comparison to other mega-horde attacks. The first mega-horde attack was noteworthy, and the LUE campaign as a whole is noteworthy, but not this in my opinion as the predictable happened and something that happened as expected and has happened before and will again shouldn't be recorded for posterity. It's only notable in the meta-sense due to all the drama preceding it. --Ulysses Black 01:17, 10 August 2007 (BST)

And yes, there is a LOT of shit on the wiki, but I think the suburb pages should at least try to stay fluff free. --Ulysses Black 01:19, 10 August 2007 (BST)

Funny thing is, I'd rather have an article about a battle on a suburb page instead of a bunch of POV crap laying everywhere. You can't say "I think the suburb pages should at least try to stay fluff free" and not talk about getting rid of the POV parts.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:23, 10 August 2007 (BST)

RE: ULC

"including the heartbreaking farewell from the ULC (is this really necessary? Explain the importance or I'd leave it out."

I threw that line in there because of many reasons. One, I like the ULC and wanted to name drop them. Two, if ULC was there, the Dowdney siege would have lasted another day, due to the sheer numbers of the ULC and their AP efforts. Three, it was a specific example towards the larger point; that most of the groups assembled in Dowdney for The Battle of Santlerville have moved on. Fourth, I'm not a huge fan of NPOV when it comes to the wiki; I think if the articles were written creatively, it adds a layer of enjoyment for all of us who play (like the Battle of the Bear Pit, which is more of an entertaining read and less of a report). Fifth, I like boobies. Sixth, why would Chewbacca live on Endor?

In all seriousness, I would prefer for the ULC reference to stay, but it can go if folks are going to get all NPOV wiki drama about it. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 22:29, 10 August 2007 (BST)

I disagree on point four because C4NT style pages aren't especially worthwhile to fining out what actually happened, but I certainly wouldn't be against a survivor-side account of the whole thing on its own page. What I meant specifically was an explanation of why was the farewell heartbreaking. It's a comment just kind of dropped in there without context, so if it can be explained concisely, please expand upon it, but if it can't, then to me it's just distracting.--Insomniac By Choice 22:37, 10 August 2007 (BST)

You must be a copy-editor IRL. Screw you and your "why". There is no why; only that it was heartbreaking for everybody. iphoenixsongi locked himself into a room at the Sweatman Motel and cried for days.

I took the ULC reference out; you're right, it was really haphazard. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 20:01, 11 August 2007 (BST)

Live Anti-Survivors

It may be that the Zombie side had less feral camp followers than usual, but I witnessed quite a bit activity by living people against the survivors. Things like RRF Gore Corps trashing the generator and the Angels of Mercy shooting people in the Hall Building hurt the survivor defense. These groups don't seem to have been mentioned as part of the battle. Private Damage 01:59, 11 August 2007 (BST)

Could be because it's a work in progress and this is a freely editable wiki. If you think those guys played an important role, then hell yeah, add them in. I do not personally think there was an organized effort worth speaking of, but I saw Goolina GKing in the mall before we killed her and she joined the horde. If you said, "Live Anti-Survivors were the key to victory, I'd have issue with that, but otherwise, please contribute. Democracy of truth and all that.--Insomniac By Choice 02:09, 11 August 2007 (BST)

The RRF was deployed in the area, specifically the Gore Corps.--Karek^maps?! 02:21, 11 August 2007 (BST)

orly? And here I thought they just came on their own. Nevermind, it's definitely worth being put in.--Insomniac By Choice 02:41, 11 August 2007 (BST)

I threw in the Gore Corps on the zombie's side, since they were actively helping LUE. That being said, Goolina was really pissed off that you guys interrupted her lap dance for me on August 1st. Hell hath no fury than a death cultist's scorn. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 19:55, 11 August 2007 (BST)

Doug

HONK! HONK! --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 16:51, 14 August 2007 (BST)

The Headbangers of Malton

HoM was asked to clarify their role in this event so I am obliging on behalf of our zombie faction leader who is away. Being a small group split into pro-zombies and pro-humans, we try to keep our efforts to support on a major break-in or attacking lesser resource buildings, such as one of our favourite targets, St Columbanus's Hospital. In all we probably numbered less than 10 zeds, but we are a very hungry 10. Daily break-ins, mass infections, and heavy casualties were what we brought to the table. We just didn't have the numbers to wipe out entire buildings. --Stickman 05:38, 16 August 2007 (BST)

Unknown survivor medic

End of Battle Speech at St. Matthew's Hospital (copied direct) August 9, 2007 '

"If you check the news on the wiki page the battle has pretty much been declared over by the LUE (there's already even a wikipage for it)"

"Should we be celebrating? Is there a reason to be celebrating for? We lost, we barely held on, we were almost wiped off of the map."

"The dead still litter the streets and the wounded still cry for help... but despite all that; I'm glad to have made it out alive... and for that reason and that reason alone, I find the end worth celebrating."

- Unknown Survivor Medic
Moved here 11:08, 21 July 2008 (BST)