Talk:Dr. schwan’s Research and Development Team/PK database

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--Funkster 20:08, 9 June 2010 (BST)

What a supreme load of poo poo!

I, ZombieGeorge, am a dedicated zombie. I am dedicated to devouring every last breather in Malton, and in Whittensdie in particular. Yes, I am a very evil fellow, but that doesn't mean that I don't play by some very specific rules. One, I don't PK, not even if combat revived (the exception being LIVE combat, which has happened only once in five or so years. It was hella fun). Two, I don't play nice with any harmanz- ever. I do not cooperate with pker's, death cultists, or anyone else who is not a zombie. Get your facts straight.

You suggest a connection between Heathers and FU. Whatever. I don't really pay any mind to other groups unless they put themselves on the menu (harmanbahrgarz!). What other FU do is not my concern, unless they are doing something that inhibits my freedom of action to have fun by killing and eating all harmanz or is violating UD's TOS. Remember, the FU is not a hierarchical group. We are a loose confederation of zombies who share information and undead comradery.

Do you feel that I've singled you out for extra special zombie nibblinz? You should. One, You came into my home (Whittensdie) and spammed the wiki with all manner of self aggrandizing crapola. That's like begging me to come and eat your brains and drag the remains out into the street to feed my friends. Two, you are a filthy harman. Three, you took up residence in Colglough, my favorite building. Four, you are a filthy harman. Five, you invited other filthy harmanz to come to Whittensdie, which doesn't belong to you. Six, and I really can't stress this point enough, you are a filthy harman.

Oh, and by the way, if you are irked about my picking you out of the revive queues and infecting you, don't take it personally. I do that to everyone. It's a cheap way for me to grief harmanz and cause them to waste more AP. Actually, check that, if it bothers you, by all means take it personally. :D

I get really sick of harmanz lobbing the "pker" label around at anyone who gives them a rough time. I am a proud zombie. I don't need guns to mess you up. My cadaverous claws and infectious smile are more than up to the task! If you doubt the veracity on my statement, please note that I, and my zombie pals, have spent more time in Colglough over the last six months or so than you have. :D

Gragh!

-ZG Zombiegeorge 20:43, 16 July 2010 (BST)

As to your objection to your placement on our database, I apologize if you take offense, but I would like to justify why you are there. It is not because you infect people in the RP; this is a standard griefer tactic and I have come to expect it: particularly of you and ZombieCharlie. Nor have you been placed here for singling out my group. I expect that local zombies hate us and I admit you have good reason. Not only are we “filthy harmanz,” we are “filthy combat revivers” and you are one of the many in that area who lacks the commitment to your cause to succumb to brainrot.

For clarification, you are not mentioned as a PKer on this list, you are mentioned as an associate of PKers. I recognize and respect that, though you have had the opportunity to PK me and my group on many occasions, you have not: instead reverting to zombie form and biting us as science intended. Nor do I suggest a connection between the FU and the Heathers as I am well aware that the FU is a loosely organized bunch of free-thinking zombahz. I suggest that there is a connection between CERTAIN MEMBERS of the FU (of which I believe you are one) and the Heathers.

Now to the reason you are on this list. On several occasions you were observed strike buildings in Whittenside as part of coordinated attacks with Heather Manslaves. You were present in almost all of these attacks and often one of the first through the door. The timing and frequency of these attacks suggests that the probability of coincidental cooperation is very low. You in specific were singled out for an incident in the Allsop building a few months ago when we had sealed ourselves inside. With the barricades set at EHB and no freerunning path, the building was altogether inaccessible. You were in human form at the time, and through a fortuitous screen refresh by one of our members, we were able to observe you reduce the barricades to VSB and come inside. You left immediately, reducing the barricades no further in an attempt to let in zombies, and a heather Manslave arrived within 5 minutes to kill us. Others followed shortly thereafter to finish the job. Though I had suspected a connection, this clenched the argument and you were added to this list.

If you are unaware of this connection, I apologize for bringing it to your attention in this way. It is possible that some other person with whom you share information is in direct contact with the Heathers. It is also possible that you are in contact with them, and it is further possible that you have a Heather ALT. I make no assumptions in this regard because in effect, it does not matter. The fact remains that, for whatever reason, it seems that they know what you know. You are therefore connected.

As to our “spamming of the wiki” I further admit that this may be irksome. Upon request, I have taken things down in all sections of the wiki with the exception of Colglough. I would like to stress though that the additions that have our name on them are few compared to the edits that do not. In our time in Whittenside, we have attempted to add flavor to the community through such additions. They have included information geared towards Ferals, organized zombies, military survivors, scientists, and others. We have even made some edits to benefit PKers. The vast majority of these, including the bit on the fort that Spiderzed and I wrote, do not in any way reference me or my group. I will not take down material in Colglough unless an admin requests it because colglough is a scientific facility, we are scientists, we wish to use it, and no previous or subsequent attempt has been made on the wiki to dedicate it to any other purpose. Had there been such when I arrived while Whittenside was a ghost town, I would have moved into another building.

Rest assured, I do take your actions personally because they are personal, but I understand them and bear you only a little malice for them. I hope that you will extend me the same courtesy when I next combat revive you and dump you to the street. In the interim, please tell Priapus that this “filthy Harman” sends his regards: I do not doubt but that at some point he may find himself on this list.

Yours in science,

-- Albert Schwan  22:00, 16 July 2010 (BST)

Re-retort

you are one of the many in that area who lacks the commitment to your cause to succumb to brainrot.

--Brain rot is not a commitment, but a lifestyle choice. I choose to play a more flexible game that includes parachuting and vandalism as the mood strikes me. That is my choice. It's not yours to decide what is or isn't barhah for me.

I suggest that there is a connection between CERTAIN MEMBERS of the FU (of which I believe you are one) and the Heathers.

--I am very much a member of FU. There may be a connection(s) between Heathers and FU. Some of use play harman alts. I know of a few that even play dedicated survivor alts, which I think is a little perverse, but that's just me.

Now to the reason you are on this list. On several occasions you were observed strike buildings in Whittenside as part of coordinated attacks with Heather Manslaves. You were present in almost all of these attacks and often one of the first through the door.

--Yer high, Muriel. I have NEVER coordinated any FU attack with any harmans -- ever. Yeah, I am usually the one the first in the door. In any attacks I organize, I usually take out the barricades and step in to infect or meat-shield for other zombies. If the Heathers entered the building during an FU dinner party, we'd have eaten them too.

You in specific were singled out for an incident in the Allsop building a few months ago when we had sealed ourselves inside. With the barricades set at EHB and no freerunning path, the building was altogether inaccessible. You were in human form at the time, and through a fortuitous screen refresh by one of our members, we were able to observe you reduce the barricades to VSB and come inside. You left immediately, reducing the barricades no further in an attempt to let in zombies, and a heather Manslave arrived within 5 minutes to kill us. Others followed shortly thereafter to finish the job. Though I had suspected a connection, this clenched the argument and you were added to this list.

--That's pretty funny. I have no recollection of that, but I might have done that out of curiosity to see who was hiding in there. Yeah, I would have left if I was short of AP and was unable to do anything more with the barricades. I certainly wouldn't have hit you with the ax -- that wouldn't be very sporting. I may left to jump off a building or vandalize some buildings. I like spray paint.

If you are unaware of this connection, I apologize for bringing it to your attention in this way. It is possible that some other person with whom you share information is in direct contact with the Heathers.

--That point is very easy to explain, Albert (if I may call you Albert). There is a fair chance that, in that instance, I would have posted your whereabouts on our forum -- which is publicly accessible -- so others might come and eat you. I know that The Fortress and other harman groups come by our forums to see what we are up to, so I see no reason why Heathers would be any different in that regard. That might explain why you would see Heathers show up after an Feral picnic. You and any other survivors would be listed in the post. :shrugs:

As to our “spamming of the wiki” I further admit that this may be irksome.

--Indeed. It certainly got my attention. Priapus nearly blew a gasket. Never the less, we have a very long history with Whittensdie and consider it our little club house and will resist any attempts by harmanz to come and clean up the place. We like nice it and trashed.

--Please take me off your Heathers/PKer list. I do not help them and I take your slanderous suggestion that I'd help or work for harmanz as being tantamount to calling me a traitor and a collaborator. You are food. One does not befriend food.

-ZG Zombiegeorge 02:54, 17 July 2010 (BST)

George (I hope I may call you this as we are now on familiar terms),

I appreciate the response that you have given and find it admirable that you did so in an organized and logical way. I ascribe to the belief that conversation is more fruitful than pent up rage; your willingness to converse in this matter has resulted in the removal of your name from my list. Reviewing my evidence you must, however, admit that it was fairly damning; not so damning as that which we have obtained on Father Guido Sarducci, but damning. Incidentally, this was during what I can only assume was a death-culting phase for you, as I was able to observe by my contacts list that you stayed alive for quite some time after we combat revived you (I must admit I found this curious).

Upon reviewing your explanation of events and experiencing your single-minded hatred for harmanz (the Yer High Muriel comment aside) , I am satisfied that it is quite possible that the Heathers were piggybacking your attacks even though they arranged to strike first, killing many before you entered the building. As a proud zombie, I should think this fact (combined with the crass graffiti all over the suburb and the large number of bounty hunters they have brought to the area) would trouble you, but as you say, who am I to decide what is or isn't barhah for you. I suppose you must ask yourself, is your barhah about Bra!nz or Baragaz? Yet I digress; we were discussing the database not the suburb.

I will replace the entry with a note to the effect that any member of the FU active in meta-game communication may be considered a de facto link to the Heathers as the link between the two groups is very strong. Though this statement may still gall you, you must agree that it is correct. Your members work with their members (or their members work with your members if you prefer). They have historically singled out groups that have become troublesome to members of the FU (in fact I strongly suspect my disagreement with Priapus may be the reason they came). You (by which I mean segments of your group not you specifically) share membership, collaborate with, or at the very least have been infiltrated by them. Finally, at least one of your members (Sarducci) appears to actually be working FOR them. In all respects, I think you can see that the use of the term “a strong connection” is warented.

I will not hold this connection against you (by which I mean you personally) in future though I do believe that the fact that there is such a connection to your group is an ethical failing within the group as a whole. I realize that the loose structure makes it an unfortunately unavoidable evil and I have a few friends among the ferals myself (by which I mean actual friends not ALTs; I would not presume to intrude into your forum) but you must realize that association with a Pking, Zerging, wiki-trolling, forum-spying, Griefing group like the heathers weakens you integrity as group and I and many others will view you less respect because of it.

On a final note, I wish to address a point that you made in your original post about our presence in Colglough over the last 6 months. I appreciate that this was a jab but in the interest of fact checking, I thought you might be interested in a not-so -brief timeline that serves also to address the fact that, while your enmity is understood, your vilification of me is misguided. When first I moved to Whittenside and took up residence in Colglough in early January, I tried several times to establish good relations with the Ferals. I learned your language (something even many of you have not done), respected your boundaries, and even offered to cohabitate with you in Colglough. Had any of you asked me to move on I would have done so, though I realized this was not likely as most of you are working with a limited definition of zombie/human interaction and hordes do not ask. Many of the local zombies made light of my offer as they did not see what they stood to gain from friendly relations. Still, a few FU members took me up on this and visited frequently between the beginning of January and the end of March while I was constantly in residence. Before it fell in the spring Picnic, I had transformed Colglough into a center for communication and creativity and the home of my group. When we returned in April to retake Colglough, the more vocal members of the horde demanded respect while offering us none in return. While some of these zombies valued the struggle and the interaction, others (many others) just wanted to “win”: griefing survivors into leaving the suburb and salting the earth so that none would return. With little other option, we acquiesced to some of these demands for a time but the experience changed me. To this point, I had been Pro-Colglough but these actions by members of the FU caused me to become Pro-Survivor. I turned my attention to other survivor groups and began to see a survivor occupied Fort Perryn was essential to the balanced functionality of Whittenside. Towards this end, we helped survivor groups retake the fort and we retook Colglough, holding it from mid April into May, at which time we have reason to suspect, members of your group, frustrated by our actions, summoned the Heathers. In the time since, we have occupied Colglough for only days at a time and my pro-survivor stance has been cemented.

In whole, while you would be correct had you stated that you had been more at Colglough than I for the last two months, when speaking of the last six or seven, I have been more often in Colglough than out of it. A petty point I admit but one I felt I needed to make. I am glad we had this chance to talk and will set about correcting the database immediately. Until next we meet.

Yours in science,

-- Albert Schwan  05:17, 17 July 2010 (BST)

Re-re-retort

I will not hold this connection against you

-- Then please remove my name from that page altogether.

Gragh!

-ZG Zombiegeorge 07:41, 17 July 2010 (BST)

My apologies, I did not realize you were on here twice. I have corrected the issue. As forewarning, I may be adding you to this database in another capacity. You have been the death of more of our generators than anyone else in Whittenside. This counts as irrational violence and is within the purview of this database. Should that happen, you will be in a different section of the database and free from untoward association with “filthy harmanz”.

Yours in science,

-- Albert Schwan  21:17, 17 July 2010 (BST)

Retort Reform

Are you suggesting that I am a notorious GKer? If so, it's a fair cop.

Gragh!

-ZG Zombiegeorge 22:48, 17 July 2010 (BST)

And while we're on the subject

Father Guido here. While we're on the subject of libelous statements and defamation of character, I thought I'd stop by since I've been mentioned several times in your recent wiki posts. Perhaps it's time for us to have a little chat to clear a few things up.

.......share membership, collaborate with, or at the very least have been infiltrated by them. Finally, at least one of your members (Sarducci) appears to actually be working FOR them. In all respects, I think you can see that the use of the term “a strong connection” is warented.

No, I don't think using the term "a strong connection" is warranted at all. To begin with, I am Feral Undead. I am not a manslave nor do I take orders (or requests) from any group or individual, including the Heathers.

I work alone and my motivation for hunting you and your group has nothing to do with the Heathers and everything to do with your own behavior. I am, of course, referring to that can of undead worms you opened when you came into the FU's backyard (WhittensDIE) and began posting, pestering and taunting us on our wiki. You shouldn't be so surprised that you'd catch our attention. But I can only speak for myself and my own actions here, not for any other Feral Undead member. I don't mind telling you that I didn't care for your original wiki posts and your latest round of posts here isn't doing much to soften my mood toward you. In the beginning, all of the FU were on the lookout for you and your position was posted on the Feral Undead's open board. I haven't logged into that board in a while but there wasn't a need to - when you were spotted, your position was reported for all to see. After that it was fairly simple to keep up with you. I scouted. I have freerun and I have eyes. When you migrated, so did I. Is that really so difficult to understand?

What I see you doing is forcing your so-called data to fit your hypotheses about events and then spouting erroneous conclusions. That is not good science, Albert. Not every theory is a conspiracy and sometimes you just need to let the facts speak for themselves.

I take responsibilty for being a PKer. End of story. Fr. Guido Sarducci 01:13, 19 July 2010 (BST)

I would question how it was that I pestered you and whether or not you understand the concept of a wiki since you refer to it as “our wiki” but I do not care to. I think I will, as you say, let the facts speak for themselves. You wish to contest your inclusion on this list and to make other points. I am sorry Father Sarducci but on this issue I will not back down. The Feral Undead’s hatred of my group has been addressed on this page already, as has my defense of the words “a strong Connection”. I will not repeat myself by going into them further. That aside, your accusation of “bad science” is one that I cannot let pass. You indicated that I am quick to chalk things up to conspiracy: so be it, in this case I am well founded in my belief that I am right and supported by what facts you are comfortable enough to agree with. You admit that you are a PKer; very well then, you belong on this database. You object to being linked to the heathers. On the main database page, you are listed as a cooperating associate. You share information with them by posting it to areas where they obtain their information: the fact that this may be an open FU forum is beside the point. You seem to spend more time as a death-cultist than as a zombie: as your colleagues would put it, this is between you and your concept of barhah but it is suspicious. You have been spotted by our members sharing buildings with the heathers. You did not kill them even though they are responsible for more defacement of your suburb than my team could ever be. You are therefore a PKer who is selective in your killing unlike George who hates all harmanz equally. This means that you have at least an understanding with the heathers. While you may explain this as part of the honor among thieves policy, I would point out that this in itself is an alliance of sorts (an alliance that some PKer groups of note do not subscribe to). You attack the same targets as the heathers at the same time as the heathers. You may explain this as George has, but unlike George, you are on the same side of the barricades. You did not begin to attack us until they did; in fact, you spent some time peacefully in Colglough in the early portions of the year unless I miss my recollection. These facts together make my statement that you are an associate the result of a hypothesis backed by observable facts. If your objection is centered on my statement that you APPEAR to work for them, I will admit that this is a hypothesis, but one I am unwilling to abandon. I would further add that it appears on a talk page and not on the page itself: the appropriate place for a hypothesis. This is based on the fact that the agents of the Heathers with whom you cooperate are agents who claim to work FOR the Heathers themselves. Add to this the idea that you style yourself after a dated Saturday Night Live Character and you are in keeping with their standard tacky manslave MO. On a personal note, I would suggest that if you do not want it to appear that you are working for them, do not act like you are working for them. And next time you question my science come with more than righteous indignation. George treated this matter with an air of civility despite his frequent jabs at me; you sir did not and deserve none in return.

-- Albert Schwan  03:56, 19 July 2010 (BST)

Note that regularly spending time breathing and death-culting isn't something unusual in FU. Of all major hordes but actual dedicated death-cults as RDD and Batshit Insane, FU has the most liberal stance on death-culting and leaves it completely up to their members if and to what extent they use it. In fact, my own death-cultist has spent his better time of the last fort siege breathing, as he could aid the fall of the fort better that way. It was plainly coincidence that he got CRed after Colglough NT was already doomed by regular FU re-ruinings and Heather PKing raids, or else he would have attacked it as well. (And possibly ended up in the database as well just for his target selection.)

There is no official link between FU and the Heathers. In fact, the Heathers have (very rarely) come to the _Outside Lane_ of our forums for things that deserve the attention of the whole community, such as pointing out and hunting down text-rapists in our area.

While the Heathers have originally popped up in the fight with FedCom at the same time that FU was engaged with them, it must be taken note of the fact that FedCom was a highly unpopular group that not only had plenty of enemies, but also negative attention throughout the PKer community and plenty of fellow survivor groups who were ticked off at their attitude. While individual FU members might have had a motivation to form the Heathers group with alts, the same might be said of most other zombie and PKer groups at that time, as well as ticked off survivor groups, for who there would have been the added benefit of not getting the PKer actions associated with their survivor activities.

My personal hypothesis is that they have been an joint effort by well-connected members of multiple groups to take down FedCom under a shared umbrella with no traces to their main alts, and that that joint effort sticked around afterwards to take down other worthy selected targets. While FU members might have had alts in Heathers (and some of them might still be around), they most likely haven't been the major faction. The Heathers shine in cooperation for things as scouting, internal revives and attacking en masse in dark buildings to set off attack penalties, something that can't be said at all of FU (who do 99% of their cooperation in public, and use tighter co-ops as timed strike-teams only with small teams of volunteers on short term). For Heathers leadership, I'd rather look at PKer groups of that time that have shown that they can use tight coordination. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:21, 19 July 2010 (BST)

Let me first address the hotness of tone shown in my last post. To the readers of this page, I would mention that I regret the mode of that communication; Sarducci managed to do something unique: he got me upset. I do not apologize to Sarducci as I feel he deserves every ounce of my vitriol. To the note at hand. I thank you for drawing that to my attention. I did not mean to malign death-cultists. It is a legitimate tactic. Sarducci is not a death-cultist; he is a self admitted PKer. Even this is not entirely offensive but for the fact that he is rude.

I also thank you for the statement about the probable origin of the Heathers. I will have to look into this more fully. I was of the belief that the Heathers are likely connected to other PKer groups but my evidence primarily suggests that they have a bad reputation within the PKer community as well. While I am sure some this is because of their use of zerg scouts like XTREME Josh Clark and Dr. Albert Schwan, others I am lead t believe object to their style. Part of the information I collected on them was gleaned from Philosphe Knights kill lists. Regarding the other part of this note, lest things get out of hand between us and the Feral Undead I would once more stress that the connection to the FU I list on this database is a static thing. By which I mean that I have come to understand that the FU as a larger organization neither created it nor cultivates it. Likewise it is clear that you do not discourage it. Such is not technically your responsibility. The fact remains that it exists. There are several members of the FU who are upstanding citizens on the wiki and in game, but with an organization as large as yours, it is necessary also that there are some who are not. Among this latter portion are, I suspect, those who know the Heaters or are the Heathers. Whether or not this suspicion is proved true, the purpose of the database is to inform and in the interest of information it should be noted that anything the FU knows and posts to their forum, the Heathers will know.

As to our apparent enmity, I can only speak personally and say that I do not and have never borne your group ill will. I moved here to study you. I expect to be targeted and at this point I expect to be prioritized highly on your list of people to eat. What I do not want to happen is I do not want you to be made miserable by my presence (unless of course combat revives make you miserable in which case you are playing the wrong game). I find the practice of Griefing distasteful. I am still unsure as to the edits that have so frustrated you. The MOB asked that certain edits be taken down and they were. The wiki is common property, despite Sarducci’s statement, and all of my efforts have been good faith attempts to improve it. Should they fail in doing this, let me know and we will reach an agreement. That is also the function of the wiki and I am somewhat gratified that this page is pulling some veteran players onto the wiki for the first time.

The entirety of the Heathering we have received has only aided us in doing just this. They are blight on the face of Malton that often goes unrecognized. We were not aware of them until they targeted us. To expose them for what they are is in the best interests of the game community as a whole. This statement is opinionated, but I would remind you that it is placed within a group namespace. In some, My group has no personal problem with the FU, the MOB, PKers, or Death Cultists. We have only a professional problem with the Heathers. I have a problem with Sarducci because of his comments towards me but for no other reason.

I hope this will close the book on some of this, but if bad blood refuses to give way a more professional level of interaction, you may see me on your forum to continue this discussion.

Yours in science,

-- Albert Schwan  20:34, 19 July 2010 (BST)

Good thing I had a Quaalude in my Sock

And I quote:

so be it, in this case I am well founded in my belief that I am right and supported by what facts you are comfortable enough to agree with.

No, I said I was a PKer. You said I was a manslave and I said I wasn't. But you know what they say on Brainstock - if you don't have an IWit, it didn't happen. Here, I took the liberty of doing some of your work for you. http://rg.urbandead.net/profiles/view/1367683 Do you see any evidence of me claiming to work for the Heathers in those IWits?

Add to this the idea that you style yourself after a dated Saturday Night Live Character and you are in keeping with their standard tacky manslave MO.

Oh, how I do love the classics! And let's not resort to personal attacks. But sorry, no, I'm not familiar with standard tacky manslave MOs. I'll be on the lookout for them so we can discuss it later.

Sarducci managed to do something unique: he got me upset. I do not apologize to Sarducci as I feel he deserves every ounce of my vitriol.

No, you managed to do that all by yourself. And I do think you owe me an apology. Several, actually.

Sarducci is not a death-cultist; he is a self admitted PKer. Even this is not entirely offensive but for the fact that he is rude.

I apologize if you mistook my writing above as rude. However, I find it very annoying when people spread false accusations so easily, and the target of these false accusations is burdened with having to bring the proof necessary to defend themselves. I cannot respect those who act in this manner. I do believe that calling people out for whatever reason should only be done when the proof is irrefutable, which is obviously not the case with ZombieGeorge and myself.

The wiki is common property, despite Sarducci’s statement

Can you show me where I said the wiki is not common property? I'm curious to see that - exact - remark but I can't find it.

You did not begin to attack us until they did; in fact, you spent some time peacefully in Colglough in the early portions of the year unless I miss my recollection. These facts together make my statement that you are an associate the result of a hypothesis backed by observable facts. (from your first response to my post).

Actually, yes, your recollection on this point is also in error. If I spend time in Colglough or other buildings, I'm probably just resting up or reloading after a combat revive. And although you may not have noticed me (and that's OK because I'm usually pretty quiet) I was a part of the Spring Picnic from the very beginning. http://theferalundead.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=other&thread=6124&page=1 I've always been in Whittenside and in most instances when ZombieGeorge and Priapus broke into buildings, I was right there with them. Since you've already said Barhah is perfectly acceptable to you, it shouldn't come as any surprise that you've been on the menu for quite a while. However, your supposition that I didn't start shooting until the Heathers did is also wrong. My PKs were never reported until your group began posting them to RG. That doesn't mean I didn't start shooting until then.

And next time you question my science come with more than righteous indignation.

Ah...nope. A response of that magnitude just isn't waranted for something like this. My review of your abilites will stand for itself.

I hope this will close the book on some of this, but if bad blood refuses to give way a more professional level of interaction, you may see me on your forum to continue this discussion.

If there's any bad blood, it's on your part but you're entirely welcome to bring this discussion to the Feral Undead board.

And the Good Father said Go forth and sin no more..... Amen. Fr. Guido Sarducci 19:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)