UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Dezonus/2010-11-10 Promotion

Dezonus

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I, Dezonus, would like to apply to become a Sysop. I have been a part of the UDWiki community for about 3 and a half months, and have nearly 1500 Contribs to my name. For nearly 2 months, I have been in charge of Special:Uncategorizedimages and Special:Uncategorizedpages, and have managed to keep them pretty well categorized. I have encountered several unused duplicates, which I quickly got Speedy deleted, and Have encountered several low content group pages of new user that I have kindly offered to help out with

Why am I running? I generally just like to help out, I am already doing a fairly good job of categorizing and such, and with a Sysop status, I would be able to help out even more. For instance, I could save the time of other Sysops when it comes to speedy deletions by removing unused duplicate images myself.

Also, with Aichon leaving the community, the community could probably use another Sysop to make up for his loss. I am not saying by any means that I think I'm as cool as Aichon, but merely that I could try to fill his place.

I don't really expect to become a sysop, allthough I would really like it. This time I'm more doing this to see what support I have, and what I need to do better, But I would be really grateful if I did get promoted =D -Dezonus- ^(talk) 22:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Weak Against You strike me as a very nice chap indeed, and I'm sure you have the right intentions at heart. However, I cannot overlook the fact that you have no experience in the more challenging sections of A/VB, A/M etc. I'm sure you're a good contributor, but what we really need is someone who isn't afraid of dirty work. (This also what I should have said at Axe Hack's bid :/, quite a brain fart there). Go give your opinions and shit, enter the drama, and convince me of your capabilities as a potential sysop. --Thadeous Oakley 22:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  I found out by mistake that Non Sysops are not permitted to voice their opinion on A/VB unless they are the one who reported it, or the user in question. As for A/M, I have not seen it used the whole time I've been here, though I wasn't really looking either. I have had no reason to use either of these services, as I have not stumbled across misconduct or vandalism that has not already been reported. I have, however, reported 2 or 3 bots that I found whilst categorizing. I do agree that I still have some things to learn, but I don't see why I can't learn them as a sysop -Dezonus- ^(talk) 01:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  There has definitively been an A/M case during your time. If you want to become an op, you should add A/M anyway to your watchlist (and the other admin pages as well why you are at it). -- Spiderzed▋ 18:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

  Yep. In fact, there have been four cases closed since he joined. —Aichon— 19:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

  As above. And if you really think you can learn Misconduct and A/VB as a sysop then you're wrong. I don't want a loose cannon in those admin sections. The fact that you're showing here to be completely unaware of those sections does not help your case. --Thadeous Oakley 20:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Question What do you think are your most important contributions to keeping the wiki up and organized? And how would sys-op permissions help you with those contributions? -- Spiderzed▋ 23:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  My most important contributions are categorizing Pages and images, especially images. I will often request a speedy delete if I find an unused Duplicate, and with Sysop permissions of deletion, I would be able to save the time of other sysops by doing it myself. I also have discussed similar images with users and asked what they want done with them, and have got them appropriately speedied. I think as I sysop I will most likely be mainly concentrating on speedy deletions, unless I am required elsewhere in the wiki -Dezonus- ^(talk) 00:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  See, to me (no harm intended in this btw), your A/SD requests are something I hold against you here. They've almost universally been for files that are scheduled under the unused image clauses anyway, and would have been deleted without any fuss in a matter of days as the fortnight ran out. Adding to the paperwork being done by causing these images to be processed one at a time instead of in batches is a counter-productive manner of doing things, and not spotting that as the case shows, to me, a focus on the minor things rather than the overall picture - smooth running being more important than red tape (the same could also be said of the frequently-rash categorising of pages in black-and-white terms, which has struck me as rushed and done only for its own sake in the past). That said I do agree with the rest of the commenters here that you would need to chime in on the 'drama' pages more, arbies and VB (talk pages are perfect for getting your feet wet with this kind of thing). I know it's not exactly been the busiest of times with these pages, but any input is better than none. 01:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  I do know that they are a scheduled deletion, but the way I see it is it's better to get them out of the way now, rather than have them pile up. As they say, a stitch in time saves nine. -Dezonus- ^(talk) 01:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  Oh I do understand where you're coming from, it's just that in these instances it becomes "several stitches at different times save nine being done at once". :( 01:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  As Mis already pointed out and as I wanted to lead to, there have been quite a few instamces where you've acted too hasty in requesting A/SD on images that were scheduled anyway. I'm not certain if handing you sys-op buttons to follow through A/SD yourself would do much for learning why certain things are scheduled and better ironed out in a slower pace. The quickness in which you categorize pages and slap Orphan templates on talk pages takes the same line (although sys-op buttons wouldn't harm there, as they have nothing to do with that).

  Your effort in janitorial tasks is good, if not to say exemplary, but I think you still need to brush up on policies, and even more to learn how things are run, and especially which purpose (or non-purpose) such things as the Orphan template have in the big picture.

  As for admin pages, I agree with others. Particularly the Orphan discussion was something that should have hit a key with you and should have needed your input, looking at the areas you try to serve.

  tl;dr: Against - but work on it, and you could become sys-op material. -- Spiderzed▋ 18:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Question What area of the wiki needs most improvement in your opinion? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 23:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  I personally think that Category:Recruitment could do with a bit of a rethink. A discussion I had on Misanthropy's talk page raised several points from me and others. Occasionally users are informed that their add has expired, but very rarely. I think you should be informed when it has expired. Also, the recruitment page, which should be thriving for our game, is instead almost hidden in a corner. Perhaps we could have a random selection of small versions of group adds come up on the main page. If I could help with these Ideas, I really feel I would have achieved something. -Dezonus- ^(talk) 01:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• You've certainly made progress. That said, when you asked DDR a week ago if you were ready, you got feedback from both him and myself - both sets largely regarded, as with Thad above, that you haven't been taking part in discussions and being active on admin pages. Now, in itself, that may not be enough to get disapproval from me, but the fact that you got the comments and then just ran anyway is inclining me to say you aren't ready yet. Also the fact that there was a policy discussion on an area of the wiki which you were pretty much exclusively maintaining, and you only gave a brief comment on the case. Your response was very detached and you didn't really argue any of the points of the issue. As such, I can't really see you ruling on cases on Misconduct or Vandal banning. Frankly, between Red, myself and (for now) Aichon, all of the janitorial areas are pretty well serviced, and I don't see that being a thourough enough reason to promote you. That said, the last sysop who was promoted based on purely janitorial stuff has turned out to be one of the best, but I'm inclined to say that we need to see you in action before I'll give you my support. (Massive note: Don't just go and comment on a couple of VB cases and then come back here - actually formulate decisions on this). As I said though, you're definitely making progress.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  It's not so much that I made a comment and Ran, I stated my view on it, and it was proven incorrect, so I saw no reason to go further with it. Also, as stated above, as a non Sysop we aren't allowed to voice our opinions on A/VB unless we are the accuser or the accused, so I dont see how I'm meant to take the lead in A/VB cases as a non Sysop -Dezonus- ^(talk) 01:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  Other users can still comment, especially if it helps the case at hand. However, it's often best that anything incidental or mere opinions, etc, be added to the talk page, where it's still readily accessible. 01:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Against - I'm not against you ever getting the position, but I simply don't feel that you are there yet. I have to admit that I've always been a bit distrustful of people that are eager to take up the position (e.g. see Yonn's old nominations), since it's oftentimes an indication, at least to me, that they don't understand the nature of the position well enough yet (someone once commented that you have to be kinda crazy to nominate yourself or accept a nomination, and I think that's very true, even more so now than when I started). That said, it doesn't make sense to hold back someone who is eager to help. I just think that you need to better demonstrate that you are capable of helping. So, show us how you deal with drama. Show us that you can keep a cool head and can make informed and intelligent decisions. Show us that you understand why the rules exist, rather than just knowing what they are (based on comments you've made in discussions, I think this might be a problem area for you). And show us why giving you the buttons is a necessity. Also, question: what would being a sysop let you do that you can't already do that is so important to you? —Aichon— 23:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Against Your heart is in the right place, but I think you need a better understanding of the community, its policies, and the spirit behind those policies before you become a sysop. A policy discussion came up recently about orphaned pages, and part of why it came up was because you were throwing up orphanage links willy-nilly as soon as the pages were created. Reading your responses in that discussion and some of the uncertainty you have shown with deletion criteria, I am not entirely sure you fully understand the precedents and background knowledge that went into crafting many of the guidelines here. Performing maintenance tasks is fine, but you also have to give us a sense that you fully understand why things are done the way they are. As a sysop, your decisions in AVB / AD / AM and elsewhere will help redefine past policy, and that will require moving beyond the "maintenance" phase; I don't think you have demonstrated that you can do that yet. You are definitely on the way though. Spend some more time on improving your knowledge in those areas.-MHSstaff 23:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Against Keep up the good work and get some edits on the areas that illustrate your opinions... then come back when you have been here a bit longer. --Honestmistake 00:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Week Vouch - I'd prefer someone who's been around longer, and who's familiar with more parts of the wiki, namely the drama parts. But with our sysop count ever dropping, so should our standards. I don't trust your ability to maintain connection to our hivemind (I think you're chaotic evil), but you seem able enough to keep your cool, and I don't think you're confident enough to take the dreaded delete-all-pages leap. Worst case scenario, you help with janitorial work for a few months before dropping into inactivity, and at least that's a profit for the wiki. --VVV ^RPMBG 03:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Against - Firstly: As Aichon (for the record Aich, it was Hagnat that said it). At the moment you're looking at op status as a level of achievement, or some sort of honour. We are janitors and are here to simply maintain the wiki in ways that can't be trusted to just anybody. The fact that you seem overwhelmingly happy at the prospect of being a sysop and would be so obviously "grateful" indicates to me that you are more dedicated to just getting the position than viewing the duties realistically. I also get that impression from your persistent asking on my talk page about whether you're ready or not. The truth is that when you're ready you should know about it, you shouldn't have to ask anyone before you think you're ready (or at least as blindly as you ask me) and if you did, it shouldn't just be one guy- one user never represents the whole community. Your activity on many of the Admin pages (particularly A/VB and A/M) is so scarce that at first thought I actually considered that you may not have known of their existence. Of course, you do Uncategorised Images and Pages a lot but the fact that it's the only real thing to your name at the moment (and the fact that you're so fast to list it in your bid as an asset to your qualification but not much else) give me the impression you have a fair bit to learn about the ins and outs of the wiki before you're qualified to become a sysop. We're all fishes in the same pond, but at the moment I don't think you realise how big the pond is, or how deep it can get. -- LEMON #1 05:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  I'm going to stop beating around the bush and be completely honest now: what I think you should be doing now is to stop asking for things to do and stop blindly following the opinions of other people. I've been personally asked by a lot of users and I've given them my opinions and guidance and I'm a little sick of it, not because I hate users (I love the fact people want to help out) but realistically Sysops need to be able to think for themselves. As mentioned above, I've had a lot of people like you address myself and other members of the community regarding this, and out of all of them, none of them became sysops or upstanding members of the community besides Yonnua, and the only reason he did was because we told him everything I'm telling you right now, and he adopted that mentality and became his own person, and a good one at that. The Uncategorised project was to assimilate you with the wiki's community and content and while you're categorising with flying colours I don't think I'm yet satisfied with whether you've become an upstanding member of the community or not. Yon would have always been a no hoper but he became a free thinker and still is, I think you're gonna need to do that too. -- LEMON #1 05:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Against -- As Thadeous Oakley... Asheets 16:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Abstain - As pretty much all the againsts up there, but to a much weaker extent. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• Vouch - You seem like a lovely chap and prepared to put in the work. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 20:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
• strong against as above. who the fuck are you? no really. 3 months and you want the stupid pointy hat already? geez go outside a bit more, try and get laid.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 10:58, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

  so did you take my advice----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 01:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ross and I have discussed your candidacy, and we've decided to deny your promotion bid this time. We encourage you to take on these suggestions offered by the community in the future, and when you think you've done so, you are more than welcome to undergo evaluation once again in the coming months. -- LEMON #1 07:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)