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| ==Obtaining Historical Status==
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| A [[UDWiki:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Historical_Groups|policy]] is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status. | | A [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Historical_Groups|policy]] is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status. |
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| #Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. | | #Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. |
| #A nomination should be made on [[Category talk:Historical Groups]]. | | #A nomination should be made on [[Category talk:Historical Groups]]. |
| #Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''. | | #Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''. |
| #Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. | | #Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. |
| #Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations. | | #Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations. |
| | #Groups must allow 4 months in between when the group disbands and when they can be nominated for Historical Status. (Note: Only for [[Malton]]-based groups) |
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| ==Nominations for Historical Status==
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| ===[[Viva La Revolution]]===
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| Because sometimes, it isn't just the great groups that are historical, nor the good, nor the truly destructive. Sometimes, groups achieve historicity in an entirely seperate field - the field of failure.
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| Once upon a time, the [[User:Darkmagic|First Revolutionary]] went around [[Malton]] saying things like "''Now it is time for malton to stand up, all of the living malton to stand up, defeat the zombie scurge and unite!''".
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| Then, a bold [[User:Darkmagic|wiki-user]] tried to spread the word of this revolution on the wiki. Sometimes, in his zeal, he would [[Talk:Viva_La_Revolucion#Comrades.21|forget which revolution was his]]. In time, the Revolution gained some [[User:Yodae_god|members]], who made [[Viva_La_Revolution#Recent_events|stirring speeches]] like this: "''I have killed another zombie to make my death toll 14. The zombies won't stop going to the fort. Maybe more people should be posted outside the fort than inside.''"
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| Despite such innovative tactics, the group failed to make much of an impact in-game. However, [[User:Darkmagic|Darkmagic's]] tireless campaigning on the wiki, coupled with the vast gulf between what they set out to accomplish and what they actually made happen, make them the true standard for comic failure - the ''Plan 9 from Outer Space'' of UD groups. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 18:53, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | ==[[East Becktown Defenders]]== |
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| | The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on [[EBD/Epitaph|May 1st, 2020]], which makes them eligible for Historical Group status. |
| | The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF). |
| | Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with [[East_Becktown_Defenders/Tools|wiki-tools]] (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the [[EBD_Stat_Party_2016|EBD StatParty]]). |
| | The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity. |
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| # '''Yes''' - I said it before, and I don't think I can say it better. So I'll say it again: ''"Viva' was truly revolutionary in, as you (Bob) say, its level of epically comic failure. Oh the hilariously grandiose mission statement. The gibbering Talk-page trolling. The general non-sequitur trenchcoatery. And oh TEH BUTCHERY of the English language... Historical for sure."'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:06, 24 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' - Yes I heard of you, but I seen nothing special from you. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:45, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''Yes''' - I remember these guys, they asked us (Randoms) to join their revolution ages ago. I think we decided to see what became of it and heard nothing since. Just purely because of the total epic failure this group should be historical. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:58, 24 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:MicoolTNT|MicoolTNT]] 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''Yes''' '''EPIC''' truly and for real... seriously. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 20:18, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Stelar/sig}} 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''HELL NO''' they have done zip, the page should be deleted and burned for all the typos and misspelling and I've now lost all respect for you conndraka. shame on you.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 20:22, 24 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] ([[User talk:Roddy Winters|talk]]) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:Wait, you had respect for Conn in the first place? O_o -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Matt Langley|Matt Langley]] ([[User talk:Matt Langley|talk]]) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #::So you have respect for Conn but not for me, eh? I must think about doing things Conn's way... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Tarkenton|Tarkenton]] ([[User talk:Tarkenton|talk]]) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:::well i hate you both now. happy?----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 22:47, 29 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' As above. Sorta. The burning part though. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 23:17, 24 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Simcoe|Simcoe]] 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''Yes''' - Until he says otherwise. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 23:33, 24 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Yo Ris|Yo Ris]] ([[User talk:Yo Ris|talk]]) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''YES''' - God yes. Fucking epic. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Sir Topaz]] <sup>[[Daily Ruminations|DR]] ♣ [[The Gardeners|GR]]</sup> 23:56, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:RaiNo|RaiNo]] 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' - I have never, ever heard of them. This group made no impact on the game at all by the bids own description. Funny doesnt make it magically qualify. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 23:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Frank Burn|Frank Burn]] ([[User talk:Frank Burn|talk]]) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:You never heard of them? Where the fuck were you last year, Grim? Oh yeah, too busy making wiki drama and not participating in any of the major events -- survivor ''or'' zombie... And, this bid isn't about what they did ''in-game'', it's about their contributions to "UD culture"... Which in this case, as Bob has explained, is something akin UD's version of Plan 9 From Outer Space -- which will be remembered and honoured forever. And rightly so. For all the wrong reasons, but still rightly so... Just like Viva' fully deserves Historical status. For all the wrong reasons, but they deserve it nonetheless. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:55, 25 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:DoXBr|DoXBr]] ([[User talk:DoXBr|talk]]) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' - This guy was such a pain in the ass. If someone writes an introductory paragraph for Viva's wiki explaining why (utter failure) the group should be historical, I'll vote yes. --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 00:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Richardskull16|Richardskull16]] ([[User talk:Richardskull16|talk]]) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:I thought about this, actually... I understand your point. And, now, I promise I am done spamming the votes with re:'s. '':P'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:07, 25 July 2008 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --{{User:Dragonshardz/dragonshardz}} {{Goonsig|Dragonshardz}} 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' - Like the one below, this group is more Hysterical than Historical. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 01:33, 25 July 2008 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Benigno/sig}} 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''Yes''' - If one group deserves to be historical based on the joke of epic failure, it is this. Or one of the other 'revolution' groups. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 06:52, 25 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #'''No''' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:50, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' Who now?--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:32, 25 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #:Ho down?--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 16:53, 7 August 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' and i ask those who are voting no to get the bucket out of their heads... it might show a whole new perspective of a world for them --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 23:37, 25 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #:I live in a giant bucket.. there is a difference ;) --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:44, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| # Oh yes. It certainly affected many people - talk page spam can be quite irritating. And he talked to everyone. It was an un-group which was held together by badly spelled adverts. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 01:26, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Not noteworthy enough to warrant historical status. {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 12:20, 26 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #'''YES''' - They max deserve the historical awesomeness. --[[User:Duke cage|Duke cage]] 16:54, 27 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #'''No''' - Not historical [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 07:52, 28 July 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - mmm. nope! being a failure doesn't qualify for a history records. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 10:27, 30 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #:Sometimes it does. Eddie the Eagle, for instance. Or Vanilla Ice. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 19:30, 30 July 2008 (BST)
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| #::or Fridtjof Nansen --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:35, 30 July 2008 (BST) | |
| #:{{s|'''Yes''' - Sometimes, hilarity is a valid reason.}} <small>Unsigned vote struck. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 19:11, 30 July 2008 (BST)</small>
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| #'''No''' - Viva La Revolution did exactly nothing in it's time, and had no effect on the game.--{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 17:38, 5 August 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Sure''' - Epic Failure can be pretty Historical...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 16:53, 7 August 2008 (BST) | |
| # '''No''' - Plain and simple. [[User:Illusionist|Illusionist]] 03:13, 10 August 2008 (BST)
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| ===[[The Imperium]]=== | | === No === |
| One of the longest standing groups based on a non UD idea as its very foundations. Operated in Gibsonton for roughly two years, relitivly well known in certain circles (partly due to the infamous [[ The Imperium Must Die]]) but also for several other reasons. Lost and was split apart because of it. No active members remain and have not done for some time. Its ideas will hopefully forever be visable to all, as it was the first and only group of its kind and magnitude.. -- [[User:Max890|Max890]] 01:12, 23 July 2008 (BST)
| | #I was going to go with “Who?” but [[Talk:East_Becktown_Defenders#Your_page|apparently we’ve spoken]]. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} {{Goonsig|Revenant}} 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
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| | #From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's [[Survivor-Zombie_Imbalance#7|long tail]]. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #As Spiderzed. --[[User:Papa John Schnatter|Papa John Schnatter]] ([[User talk:Papa John Schnatter|talk]]) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
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| #'''No''' - Group was defined by their disbandment, that is not reason for historical status. Also, we need a template for this page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:19, 23 July 2008 (BST)
| | With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a '''historical group'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC) |
| #:Though due to everyone's sheepish nature mine is the only vote that actually counts at the moment -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:01, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| #::Actually, not even your vote is valid as it's not in a voting section. Numbering the votes without having different sections for different votes would be pointless anyway. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 21:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| #:::I invite you to point out why my vote is invalid. My vote is the only one formatted correctly due to the rules of this page. As a voter, and not the nominator, I am not required or compelled by policy or precedent to form the relevant sections. Therefore, according to the voting rules of this page, and established precedent mine is the only valid vote. Anyone altering another's vote will be taken to A/VB for impersonation. All other votes should be struck by a sysop as mandated by the rules box you see to the right. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:34, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| #::::Stop nitpicking. It's irrelevant red tape and that is certainly not impersonation, when someone feels the need to they can reformat the list tag but they don't need to and it doesn't invalidate votes.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:42, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - It was alright.... But alright groups dont become historical. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 01:50, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yus''' - Why not? Also, Will [[The Imperium Must Die]] become historical without [[The Imperium]]? I've seen talk about.. Wait.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:12, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - I just don't see it.--[[User:Insomniac By Choice|Insomniac By Choice]] 07:04, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - They're what, 2 year old, and didn't do anything worth mentioning in the bid until a week before disbanding?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:40, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes'''- This group fought for the suvivor cause bravely and and and with fire in their hearts. They deserve to be laid to rest with the respect they deserve. - [[User:Chaplain Wilkins|Chaplain Wilkins]] 11:43, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - i've been a resident of santlerville for 18 months and had barely heard more than a wimper out of these guys until they brought swarms of PKers into our neighbourhood...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:47, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - The only reason they'll be remembered in the slightest is because of [[The Imperium Must Die]]. That doesn't make a group historical. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 13:57, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes''' - The reason a lot of you are saying you didn't here much out of them is because they were at they're prime when most of you had just started playing or weren't even playing. They were a very important group last year and they deserve historical status more than half the groups that already have it by a long shot. --[[User:MkoII|MkoII]] 12:16, 23 July 2008 (EST)
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| *'''Yes''' - We were real Gibsonton group, it doesn't matter if we weren't known over all Malton, but we did our job damn good. Yes, probably some of you heard about us only after Imperium must die set a war on us, but we had many years ago a fight versus black crusade and we still continue to purge and clean hive Maltonius from wrenched and rotting hordes of mutants. And by the way, Imperium WILL NEVER DIE!!! --[[User:War7|War7]] 20:11, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes'''- Anyone who was pro-survivor in or around Gibsonton would agree.--[[User:Wyzeguy6|Wyzeguy6]] 22:30, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:{{s|'''yes''' - one of the mmorpg gaming groups who stuck too the theme they chose and refused too give in too critique, was a very good laugh and reliable}} Unsigned. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:48, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes''' - forgot the self vote. Should even the odds a little anyway. --[[User:Max890|Max890]] 20:40, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Hell No''' - Your group was relatively well known... due to the Imperium Must Die campaign? Seems to me that if your biggest claim to fame was people killing you, you're not all that historical. Hysterical maybe. --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 21:04, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *: Oh Snap! I admit, I laughed. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 07:10, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this group is only famous for how it ended and thus does not deserve a place in UD history. --[[User:Gerald Mires|Gerald Mires]] 21:16, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - Garviel Loken telling us how we're all [[User:Garviel_Loken|going to Warhammer hell]] made me fall off my chair laughing, but the group itself did nothing of note except capitulate and die. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 21:51, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::Hey, Bob Fortune! News flash, smart one: that whole message on the upper half of Loken's user page doesn't have jack-squat to do with Warhammer. I imagine you assume that Hellheim has something to do with Warhammer, and therefore use the term "Warhammer hell". Hellheim is a part of Old Norse, or Viking, mythology. The religion is still practiced today! You must have missed the First Rule of Ridicule: "Know what the blazes you're talking about before you start ripping on someone or something, moron!" You don't want to start a religious conflict on this page, do you?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 08:44, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::Hey, Ulfgard! News flash, fanboy. I know enough about Viking mythology to know what Hellheim is. I also understand the 0.5th Rule of Ridicule: "Know your audience". Warhammer/Games Workshop includes various mythological elements in its products, from what I've seen of them. Me, and normal people (my audience) find Garv's comments hilarious, as they epitomise the sort of pseudospiritual rubbish spouted by nerdy table-top gamer types. I didn't make my Warhammer hell remark to be accurate, I made it to be entertaining. Are you seriously claiming to find my comments offensive on a religious level? I didn't intend them to start a religious conflict, but I'm more than up for one if you want one. Just because a number of people believe something, I'm under no obligation to take it seriously. Case in point - even though there's a group who [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement worship Prince Philip] as a god, I still think he's a buffoon. As are you and Loken. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 23:34, 29 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::Fair enough, Bob. Glad we understand each other. I really see no reason to resort to name-calling and insults. Just wanted to get to a place where we could hear each other's arguments and reasoning. All that said, have a good day, and good luck gaming. Just don't expect any mercy if we meet up in-game, eh? Take care.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 00:57, 30 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::How dare you insult the divine Prince Phillip! Next thing you know, he'll be criticizing the views of the beloved [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party Donald Duck Party!] Free Liquor and wider sidewalks for all! -- {{User:KF/PKsig}} 00:48, 30 July 2008 (BST)
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| * '''No''' - I've been playing since March 2007 and never heard of them.--[[User:Sarah Silverman|Sarah Silverman]] 22:45, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - Who are you? No really. I want to know. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:54, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes''' Was the first group I heard of upon my arrival in Gibsonton [[User:Capgun|Capgun]] 00:04, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' Absolutely not. The only thing they're notable for is getting their asses kicked so badly they disbanded. --[[User:Druuuuu/Ocular|Ocular]] <sup style="font-size:70%">[[User:Druuuuu|Dru]][[User talk:Druuuuu|uu]][[Red Rum|uu]]</sup> 01:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''YES''' Now see here, the Imperium was a longstanding group that outlived the Gibonston Nationals, the Winchester Boys, the Black Crusade, PKer Storm, and at least one Big Bash, mostly in one year that I've been aware of the group! They were around before that, even. This vote doesnt depend on whether they were known throught the whole of Malton, this vote shouldn't be based on voting for the laughs, nor should it be based on allegiance to groups who stood against them. Time and again the Imperium was praised by its greatest enemies for putting up a good fight no matter what the odds. Three times, the Imperium nearly fell apart, only to be reborn and even more zealous than before! Just because someone has a personal conflict with Loken doesnt mean that the group deserves no recognition. He took it upon himself to be the voice of the Imperium, and oftentimes did not follow orders to keep quiet. But what has that got to do with anything? This is not a debate on whether or not Garviel Loken was besieged by griefers until he finally got tired of dealing with their whining and their smears. By the gods, people, this is a vote to give a group that has existed for a long time and made the cyber-trek across three bloody forums (before mass desertion and absent administration crippled its manpower made its continued existance impossible) recognition for its existance and deeds! I hereby call upon all Naysayers to consider their motivations before they put in a final vote. Dislike does not equate to worthlessness, and if you cannot see that (or worse, see that and vote against the Imperium anyway, regardless of it's many quailifications and long history), take your worthless characters and quit the game. Leave it to those of us who try to make this a game worth playing.[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]]10:04, 23 July 2008 (EST) No timestamp. Asdd timestamp and remove strike out then, and only then --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 03:43, 24 July 2008 (BST) Okay, so I had taken a screenshot of it as soon as I posted it and saved the image to my computer. I looked it up and added the appropriate timestamp. May I erase the strike out? I apologize for the misunderstanding. I just opened this wiki account tonight and am trying to get used to the features. I must admit that technology tends to leave me baffled. [[Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 11:25, 23 July 2008 (EST)
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| *::And yet you still can't name one. Just like the other Yes votes you're only voting yes because you were part of the group.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:14, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::Name what? He just said several reasons why it should be historical. And I just want to mention that the reason we fell apart was due to bad timing. We couldn't recruit because our Admin had gone away for months, several people couldn't get along, and then even more people disappeared. The PKers just say it was because of them -[[User:Chaplain Wilkins|Chaplain Wilkins]] 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::{{Quote|Ulfgard the Unmaker|. . .recognition for its existance and deeds! . . .}}
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| *::::One of those deeds, surviving forum moves is hardly a noteworthy deed, and none of you have so far mentioned a single deed they did beyond when a bunch of people decided to drive them/you from the game.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::{{Quote|Karek|. . . surviving forum moves is hardly a noteworthy deed . . .}}
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| *:::::This is true, in and of itself, but a group with members devoted enough to bother trying to help their group struggle on should mean something, shouldn't it? Oh, wait, that's right. The world's changed since the last time anything of substance was good for, or meant, anything other than "lulz". My bad. No wait, the world's bad, that one. We voting "yes" are merely relics of this past, is that what I'm to believe?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 16:29, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::This isn't "vote for groups that people were in" this is "Vote for groups that had a major effect on how the game was played", thus the name [[:Category:Historical Groups|<u>Historical</u> Groups]], just because it had dedicated members is not a satisfactory reason for anyone not in the group because we/they aren't in it for self gratification.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:05, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::::::Look, I'm not voting for no other reason than because I'm a group member, I'm voting because it was a longstanding group. It existed for two years, a length of time when dozens of groups can rise and fall. But for the sake common decency, let's quit bickering, okay? I won't argue with you if you don't argue with me. Sound like a deal, Karek? Now that we've made our points, does this mini-debate really need to keep going on between the two of us?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 17:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::::::A historical group is not measured by its number, nor its longevity, but rather by what they have managed to accomplish in the time that they were active. Take Shacknews for example, they were around for just a few months, tops, and made a huge impact on the game. Staying in a single suburb and claiming it to be the safest in Malton, then getting killed by a group of PKers is not really noteworthy. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:32, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::::Well for what did Winchester boyz and Gibsonton nationals do to get historical status? If you dont know people, we were one of three groups in Epic coalition in Gibsonton. And yes we did make a change in Malton, or i should say in Gibsonton, we made it one of safest burbs in Malton! Thats before we became Pkers target. And if you think that to defend 4 squares non resources building over 2 years is easy, then you are welcome to try. --[[User:War7|War7]] 19:16, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::::Winchester Boyz was never voted on and Gibston Nationals failed their attempt.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:48, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::::::Well then what does this page means? http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r284/oldwolfsoul/asd2-1.jpg --[[User:War7|War7]] 21:29, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::::::It means something needs to be fixed. I did the honours. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::::::::May ask you, whitch burb are you from? And what rites you have to change our burb description? huh? --[[User:War7|War7]] 21:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::::::::Which burb he's from? Players with several characters can be from various suburbs--how is that question relevant? And he has the "rites" to change the suburb description because suburb descriptions are public NPOV pages which can be edited by anyone. --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 22:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' I'm in favor of a number of groups getting Historical status...And I'm really split on this bid, But I'm just not seeing it right now. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:11, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - I dont see how this group changed play in the game, or even made much of an impact. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 03:43, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' I had only heard tidbits about this group before the Imperium Must Die campaign, and I'm active in the community & game. No offense, but you didn't accomplish anything other than get targeted by some PKer groups. -[[User:Russell Oakley|Russell Oakley]] 03:47, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - The only time they were important was when DORIS was killing them. {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 04:07, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - Some ideas should not be "Visable" --[[User:KF|KF]] 05:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Fuck no''' - You did NOTHING make yourselves noteworthy, to impact the game or the "culture" of UD. The only time this group was in any way noteworthy was after they got noticed -- for ''terminal lameness'' -- and targeted by DORIS. Now, darkmagic's Viva group I would totally support as historical '':P'' because their level of FAIL was truly epic. The Imperium, however, falls somewhere between laughably mediocre and painfully unremarkable. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes'''- Could all the pkers who just want to obliterate what little we have left shut up and get back in their boxes? you broke us up, but that doesn't mean we were nothing let us keep what was ours, am i trying to destroy everything YOU create? the obvious answer is no i am not --[[User:Warmaster Death|Warmaster Death]] 07:32, 24 July 2008 (GMT+10)
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| *:Your group had no significant impact on the game or the community, outside your own little world. The fact that only members of the group are voting yes kind of demonstrates that. And, many (most?) of the people voting no (including me) have ''nothing'' to do with DORIS... None of this means you didn't exist, it doesn't mean you didn't do good work in your part of the city. But that's not enough to qualify as historical. Also, just in case you don't know, pages for formerly active groups are never deleted, so it's not like your presence will just vanish, you'll always be part of UD's history. Just not worthy of "special" Historical Group status. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:45, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::And don't you guys understand '''why''' there was an Imperium Must Die group? Because they wanted to bully you because you were just some insignificant group which they had no respect for. Sorry to destroy your confidence boost, but thats just what it seems like in all honesty. Needless to say I wasn't involved in it, so you can yell at me for mouthing off about things I don't know... But that being the case, I never participated in 'war' against you and you can't claim over 50% of the voters here actually participated in bringing you down. So don't use hatevotes as an excuse for your poorly running tally. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 13:34, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::This may be like the most collossal misestimation I've seen on this wiki, judging by the comments! It's like you started the slow clap in a crowd, and now clap alone.--[[User:Sarah Silverman|Sarah Silverman]] 19:30, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::: Clap clap calp clap clap clap!!! --[[User:War7|War7]] 20:01, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::CLAP CLAP CLAP CALP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP! The men and women of the Imperium shall be forever remembered by the Emperor's finest!--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 23:31, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - As WanYao's reply to Warmaster Death. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 12:23, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - Never heard of them before the Imperium must Die thing. If a groups only claim to fame is their death, then they must be a shit group. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:49, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes''' You can all go fuck yourselves. Nobody cares about the Imperium Must Die. Just because that was the only thing that brought them into contact with your giant grabass-circle jerk you predictably believe that means thats the only thing they've done? GO OUTSIDE. Give up the wiki-pancake monopoly. Ya Basta --[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 18:49, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:Get thee back under thine bridge, ye woefull trolle!! Forsooth there be naught here for thee or thine. Verily, NO PAI! Depart, I sayeth, depart! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:23, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::Another predictably quick and uniform response. See first sentence of my vote. Then look at your own vote and feel shame. SHAME.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 20:02, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::You're a funny guy, Alpharius, seeing as it's ''you'' who apparently hasn't read (or simply hasn't ''comprehended'') the votes and the comments, nor understood what it takes for a group to be Historical. And what, you're associating ''me'' with DORIS?!?! LOOOOOOLZ!!! Anyhooo... there's a line from A Fish Called Wanda that's applicable here, it's where Kevin Kline's character says, smugly: "But apes don't read philosophy!" To which Jamie Lee Curtis' character replies, "Yes, they do. But they don't understand it." Or, to quote the man, Nietzsche himself, "It's highly improbable that you're not mistaken, but why insist on the truth?" Now, since apes can in fact read philosophy -- but are, it has been established, unable to understand it -- let me explain in concise layman's terms: ''The Imperium did nothing to warrant historical status. Period.'' So here's the deal, Alphy: if you're gonna troll, do it with some style and/or some erudition. Like, do it in Elizabethan English, or quote cool John Cleese movies and Nietzsche. And, get your facts straight. Otherwise... just go back to pretending you're a misunderstood revolutionary hero by PKing DEM members and getting yourself banned from every IRC channel you try to join... CIAO!!! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:45, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::The only thing I associate you with is frequent bipolar douchebaggery. So I do think that DORIS would be a good fit. And as the Imperium's oldest enemy I think I know a little something about the group. If every idiot who never left the malls posted they hadnt heard of a given group, there'd be about 4 historicals. Bai--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 18:35, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::Behold - the fabled silver tongue of Alphy, that persuades so many people to join the groups he forms. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 18:44, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| * '''Yes''' A yes from Umbrella Corp.--[[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]] 19:26, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| * '''Yes''' -As President of Umbrella I support the nomination of Imperium of Man as a historical group to their resident suburb, not simply beacause we are an ally of the Imperium but also because of their once impressive dedication and coordination. Dedication- To Malton and their role playing as the Imperium, the not only protected their own suburb but reach out to other suburbs in order to protect them and extend their empire which reached as far as Santlerville which is when we discovered them and worked together to free up the distressed suburb during BB2. Coordination- Up until just before the PK assault on the Imperium this group was highly cooridinated and cooperative both within their group and with allies. Good luck to the Imperium left overs as a whole you will be missed.--[[User:Jackson|Jackson]] 20:16, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:<small>Moved from the bottom so that it's not a double vote. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>|[[User talk:Midianian|T]]|[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]|[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]|</sup></small> 10:09, 12 August 2008 (BST)</small>
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| *:'''Recap/YES''' - Not intended for a double vote. What we have here is a huge misjustice. The Imperium of Man, an amazing well role played group of U.D. members DEDICATED to their way of role playing which in the apparently in the world of U.D. is gay, according to (and I would like everyone to take good note of...) the [[Imperium Must Die]] who basically said over and over again just how gay they do everything. I have noticed a lot of this "gay" amongst PKer groups labeling anything that either Role Plays or attempts a mature setting to the game as "gay". This is a game and this is the internet and I respect people's opinion and right to free speech and basic right to through the word "gay" around for I use it myself, however, (and if anyone reading this wouldn't mind looking up the film Idiocracy) the fact this whole ordeal was put together over something so immature is rediculess and see this as an attack on any group trying to play "legitimately" for role play value or have a good time in general. I am not saying that groups that do not role play or have a code of conduct are not legitimate. You were "...in it for the lulz" is an expression I have come to hear and understand but I don't see this being of something positive or LOL like in anyway for the community of Urban Dead. I understand that edits were made to wiki pages but to the extent that they were made that triggered such an event really seemed inadequate to provoke such immaturiaty and personal attacks. The Imperium of Man doesn't need sympathy, however for its value in providing a role playing environment, should be remembered and maybe one day revived to live again.--[[User:Jackson/Sig]] 03:56, 11 August 2008 (BST)
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| *::The drama and name-calling that have gone on here has NOTHING to do with the fact that the Imperium did NOTHING to qualify them as Historical. Read and understand what it is that makes a group historical please. Then read it again, to make sure you've understood. Good role play does not qualify you for historical status, neither does merely being successful at what you do. None of that is new, none of that changed the way the game is played for large numbers of players. Ergo: not historicl. Capiche? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:59, 14 August 2008 (BST)
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| *'''NO''' as above----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 20:25, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:Wait...so that's a Yes? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:30, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::axe you loser stop stalking my votes!----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 22:52, 29 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:{{S|'''Yes''' Even if some people hated the Imperium, it should be historical. Beside, I guess the same people would enjoy leaving their mark and brag about it. Right? --[[User:Skritz|Skritz]]}} - For outstanding failure in the field of leaving a timestamp, this vote has been struck. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 00:00, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| * '''NO''' -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 23:18, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''YES''' - Need I say more? --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 23:35, 24 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''NO''' -- Where to start? This group were not noticed until they started claiming structures "In the name of the emperor" which lead to them being noticed by DORIS who then proceeded to utterly destroy the Imperium of Man, in one of the finest displays of sheer pwnage the game has ever seen. However, the Imperium claim that they won this encounter and even made a video on youtube on how they managed to beat the PK'ers by cleverly hiding the PK'ers bullets in their bodies. True martyrs really. This group should be voted as EPIC FAIL #1, as they acheived nothing and came into the public view after getting their butts handed to them. --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 00:09, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::For your information, Blanemcc, while I'll admit we were on our last leg at the end of the movement, the end of the offensive against us was unofficially announced three days before we were forced to break into our two current groups. The fact that we officially fell apart ONE DAY before the ceasefire was publically announced was exploited, and the opposing party claimed victory wherease three days earlier, they had conceded defeat. Sneaky, underhanded treachery is what it was; slander and callumny.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 09:05, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I really only know them from the Imperium Must Die. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 00:22, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - I thought about leaving a smart ass remark, but it's not really worth it. --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 00:39, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - Unsolicited additional nay vote for any one of the various colorful reasons already stated. --{{User:Goofy Mccoy/sig}} 01:07, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''Yes''' - As Goofy. --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 03:48, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - As Paddy. -- {{User:DT/Signature}} 17:12, 25 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:{{S|'''YES''' - speaking on behalf of the Rolt Heights Vigilante Patrol, Imperium of Man was one of our allies for a time, they were also an ally and member of the Dulston Alliance, they assisted with two defences of RHVP's HQ during zed insurgents and Garviel put some quite lucid comments and advice forward on the Dulston Alliance forums. I think as a group they had an impact, even if that impact resulted in the "Imperium must die" campaign and BTW their were many allies involved in that cafuffle and I would say it was a close run thing, but the DORIS bunch got a kickin' by many estimations. TBH that fire fight was largely won from the DA perspective because the majority of anti PK'er groups NE of Malton decided to attend to have a free for all, happily for IOM this was also the same time and place for their showdown. Anyhow it's historical now and therefore should be voted in that way.}} - Winner of the award for outstanding failure in the field of signing your vote is... anonymous! --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 01:38, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - You only became a blip on the radar when Sonny took a small interest in you. Nobody cared before then, and once DORIS was done with you... nobody cares now.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 00:10, 26 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:{{S|1='''No''' - I wasn't going to vote, but I've been convinced. Then again, was my vote necessarily needed? <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 08:53, 26 July 2008 (BST)}} <small>Second Vote struck--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)</small>
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| *'''YES!''' - Same as [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson|Dr Cory Bjornson]] if Imperium Must Die is going to be historic, Imperium should be too'nuff said. --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 11:57, 27 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:Imperium Must Die is not historical. Get a friggin' grip, you guys! The paint from your warhammer figures must be getting to you... or is it lead poisoning? In any event... yet one more example of why these guys got griefed out of existence, wow. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:59, 28 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::You're a dick.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 05:17, 29 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::Thank you, Alpharius. I don't think any of us could have said it better.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the
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| *::::No, Wan Yao is a vagina. --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 12:50, 29 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:::::Oh and Yao I was never by any means a member of Imperium. And concerning the "griefed out of existence" as far as I can see, looks like almost every ex-Empire member still plays UD on new Warhammer "inspired" groups. The group did end though and that's a shame... --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 20:51, 29 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::::::lol, nice try! very witty, very original! i'd be flattered by the attention... but... considering the source... well... nah. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:42, 30 July 2008 (BST)
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| *::'''Hell fucking yes!'''-Because WanYao said no... --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 22:31, 28 July 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Same as Jackson and Mistergame.--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[The Crimson Clan|<span style="color:Brown">CC</span>]] | [[Umbrella_Corporation|<span style="color:Purple">UC</span>]]</sup></font> 18:58, 27 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - The Imperium's only claim to fame is that it was the group Garviel Loken was in when Sonny cracked the shits at his retarded grandiose wiki edits. [[User:Turkmenbashi|Turkmenbashi]] 03:27, 28 July 2008 (BST)
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| *'''No''' - Played since 2006, never heard much about them until [[The Imperium Must Die]].--[[User:drawde|drawde]] <sup>[[DORIS|DORIS]]•[[Red Rum|RR]]•[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]]•[[RI|RI!]]</sup> 10:52, 29 July 2008 (BST)
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| *:{{s|'''Yes''' as long as the imperium must die is also one as well then i say keep it. they deserve the page historical for trying to stay alive}} Unsigned. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 22:25, 2 August 2008 (BST)
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| <s>*'''Yes'''- A great group that's done some pretty valiant stuff.--[[User:Sgt.Fozzy|Fozzy]] 12:12, 4 August 2008 (BST)</s>(Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) <br>
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| <s>*'''Yes'''- In the name of the Emperor yes! --{{User:Medico/sig}} 17:09, 8 August 2008 (BST)</s>(Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) <br>
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| <s>*'''Yes'''- Because almost all "No"s are members of the imperium must die coalition. And may i say that i think it's funny that you all say we did nothing except the whole pker thing...but we were a major force in the second seige of caiger mall, having almost single handedly held the Latrobe building. And may i just state that it is my honor to declare sonny...a CUNT! Thank you and have a nice day! --[[User:MkoII|MkoII]] 4:57,13 August 2008 (BST)</s> (Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) <bR>
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| ==Historical Groups Use Discussion==
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| This is a heading to which discussion of the use and catagorization of Historical Groups can be put.
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| ===[[Malton DEA]]===
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| This group is listed as historical yet one of the Adeptus Sororitas sited several members including this [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=57172 one] sporting the Malton DEA as their group. I believe it should be removed from classification as a historical group.--{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}22:09, 26 April 2008 (BST)
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| :Those are people who were in the group that still play with the group tag. The group itself is dead, long dead. --[[User:Saromu|Canderous Ordo]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:22, 26 April 2008 (BST)
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| ::So how does that make the group dead if there are still people who claim to be part of it? Isn't there a similar debate underway with the Blackmore Bastard Brigade? --{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}00:03, 27 April 2008 (BST)
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| :::The Malton DEA is dead. It has been for a long, long time. If someone is using that tag, it isn't us.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 01:09, 27 April 2008 (BST)
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| ===Problems?===
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| On the [[Category talk:Historical Groups/SucceededArchive|Historical group voting archives]], there are 22 successful groups, yet there is 51 historical groups in this category. Is there something I'm missing? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
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| :I'm going to start unprotecting and removing "historical status" to 29 groups if nobody answers.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Doodoo. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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| ::I wouldn't be surprised that people are adding themselves, a few groups have done it in the past.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::There were a few added before historical voting was implimented. These are now so old very few people remain who would know of them. Kill everything that was added without vote after voting was implimented, but otherwise, leave them alone. That said,: This is more popular groups, rather than historical. Ah, the failings of democracy. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::::When was voting implemented? I need a cutoff date. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::::I'll try the earliest timestamp on [[Category talk:Historical Groups/SucceededArchive|Historical group voting archives]] and I'll go from there. (It seems like Feb 20ish 07 is the date, no?)--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::::::Pretty sure there was a revoting thing anyway, so groups that were originally listed, back when Historical Groups was being used in place of [[:Category:Defunct Groups]], actually did/do have to requalify for historical. Then again there are some common sense ones that should have it kept and don't need voting.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I removed these [[FEBU]], [[The Malton Mafia]], [[101st Airborne Unit]], [[South Blythville Militia]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I've removed a few groups from historical status, from originally 52 to 48. This one group [[The Apocalypse Horde]] I'm not sure about. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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| :I've not protected that page for that reason, but I can't think of why they wouldn't be or shouldn't be.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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| ===[[Blackmore Bastard Brigade]]===
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| According to the [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html stats page], they still have 27 active members. They've also been actively holding [[The Blackmore Building]] off and on for a few months now. I think their historical status should be removed and the leaders of the group update their wiki. --{{User:Benigno/sig}} 21:43, 23 July 2007 (BST)
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| : Agreed, a active group is hardly considered "historical" me thinks. --[[User:Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]] 22:35, 24 May 2008 (BST)
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| ===Historical Group Is Back===
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| The [[Ministry of the Dead]] -- which in character I will deny ever existed -- has reformed. Does one create a new wiki page like "Ministry of the Dead (Part II)" or does historical status get revoked when such a thing happens? -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 16:26, 25 June 2007 (BST)
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| :Anyone have any advice on this? -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (BST)
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| ::Feth if I know. I think a new wiki page would be the best option though, with a disambiguation link thingy at the top.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 20:05, 26 June 2007 (BST)
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| :::a disambiguation page is the solution for your problem. At the top of the historical group, we add a <nowiki>{{redirec|Ministry of the Dead}}</nowiki> template, and this new group then uses [[Ministry of the Dead (2007)]] or [[Ministry of the Dead (new)]] or [[Ministry of the Dead (reloaded)]]... you get it... it will be on another page. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:31, 26 June 2007 (BST)
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| ===Paradox also back===
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| [[Paradox]] is also back. Anyone who's seen the Stats page knows that. There should really be a clear-cut procedure for un-historifying groups. --[[User:Anonymous4401|Anonymous4401]] 18:40, 22 July 2007 (BST)
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| :Yep. Doesn't seem like you need a process so much as an attentive wiki mod.--[[User:Insomniac By Choice|Insomniac By Choice]] 06:43, 23 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::Well the thing is, unless there is a clear edit history between the members who are returning, and the old wiki page, I don't think the old page should be re-opened for editing. Otherwise some whole new group of players can come in and take over a historical group page. I think that Hagnats idea is best, a similarly named, but new group page that can be linked in a disamig type of way from the original page... how about [[The Paradox]] or similar? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 12:48, 28 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::Fine. We will make a new wiki page, pending being allowed to take back our old one. I understand that you must be convinced that we are in fact the original Paradox for this to happen. There is a thread in the public area of our forum that I think you should look at: [http://z13.invisionfree.com/Paradox_Central/index.php?showtopic=1306 here] The Gonzo (member no.1) and Underhand (member no.2), who is me (for proof that I am me, see [http://z13.invisionfree.com/Paradox_Central/index.php?showtopic=1345 this thread]), among others, insist that Paradox is back again. Note that the forum is the same one that is linked to on the locked [[Paradox]] page, and note also that the two mentioned users registered there in August 2005, as did two other users in the first thread linked to. Those of our members who used to edit our wiki page no longer play Urban Dead. Just in case it's necessary, I also ask you to look at the game's [http://urbandead.com/stats.html stats page], which at time of writing says that Paradox has 110 known members. [[User:Underhand|Underhand]] 11:20, 29 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::::If you hold off for a little while in creating a new page, I'll have a look at your links, and fix this up now <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:32 Sunday July 2007 (BST)</small>
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| OK, I've moved the original, historical group page to [[Paradox (2006)]], it will remain in the historical category (pending any decision about this issue), and you are now free to edit the [[Paradox]] as normal. Hope this suits everyone <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:47 Sunday July 2007 (BST)</small>
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| :Thank you very much. I'm in the middle of creating a new page right now, but I'll just paste the code I've got so far into the Paradox page. I appreciate the welcome you put on my talk page, by the way. [[User:Underhand|Underhand]] 12:03, 29 July 2007 (BST)
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| ===Which===
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| The rules on this talk page say "...with a minimum of '''10 yes votes''' for a nomination to pass"
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| but the rules on the article page say "...with a minimum of '''15 voters''' for a nomination to pass" (emphasis added). Does anyone mind if I change the version on the main page to be the same as the (sensible) version on the talk page? --[[User_talk:Toejam|T]][[User:Toejam|oejam]] 12:26, 23 May 2007 (BST)
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| :I like the rules on the article because it makes sure we ensure that 15 people actually see the thing, therefore, allowing us to get an accurate view of what the people desire. However, a similar change on the Policy Discussion page was approved rather quickly...and it does make sense.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 05:49, 25 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::I hadn't considered that, and it's a good point. Still, it's strange and dysfunctional that "No" votes can help a suggestion. And it would be worthwhile picking which rule to follow before it becomes an issue. --[[User_talk:Toejam|T]][[User:Toejam|oejam]] 14:02, 26 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::We need to be following the policy. Someone might create a policy discussion for the merits of lowering the bar. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 05:13, 31 May 2007 (BST)
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| ===The Stats Page===
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| Just how useful is it as an indicator of groups "no longer actively [contributing] to the game"? Can we get a bit of consistency here? There's a group up for historical status that the nominator himself admits, in the nomination, still have enough members to feature on the stats page. What's the ruling going to be from now on? Ignore the stats page as long as the group leadership is no longer organising stuff? If they say they're finished? Or just if they're popular enough? As it is, it's just being used as an excuse to pull nominations that are borderline, by those that disagree with result -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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| :Ending declarative statements with a question mark makes my brain hurt? Other than that, I'm all for un protecting/categorizing Shacknews, On Strike, Mall Tour '06 and whoever else, allowing those folks who like to cling to their identities to maintain a voice on the wiki. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 11:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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| ::Well, the thing is, that it's pretty obvious that some of those should be historical. Mall Tour '06 is out of date, there is a Mall Tour '07 now, and who's going to start up an 06 group again? On Strike was for the big zombie strike, and that history should be protected, and further strikes have their own pages (or disambig). But nominating groups who weren't time specific, and continue to have members show up on the stats page? How do we get some consistency in which historical bids can be struck down? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 04:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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| :::I'd rather have this: If the leadership declares his group dead, it's dead even if people still show up on the stats page. If no one on the leadership or membership shows up and there's a bid, the stats page info would have to be conclusive in judging if a group is still active or not (in this case, the SD of the Randallbank Coalition was wrongfully filed as it was still present on the stats page). In the special case that a group is in line with an event more than an organization (as the Strike, Mall Tours, Big Bash and BBB), confirmation that the event is over should be enough to declare said group inactive. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 20:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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| ::::Well I think that is a group is on the stats page then they should not be allowed historical status unless there has been a notice on the wiki for a certain time frame. That would be my opinion. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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| :::::I don't have too much of a problem with what Matt says about "event groups", though I also like the idea of Mall Tour '06 still running around, maybe with a new motive to show Mall Tour '07 how it's done "old school." Retros vs the Trendies. Silly, but the whole packaging of "mall tour" itself is silly.
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| :::::I'm not entirely sure how much I support "when the leader says its done, it's done." Makes groups sound like they're basically the vanity project of their leadership, which is true in a lot of cases. However, if people are identifying as something, they're that group, whether the leader dissociated him or herself from the group or not. A (temporarily) leaderless group does makes matters more confusing, since leaders generally exercise or delegate editorial control of their wiki pages, but the wiki supports the game, not vice versa.
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| :::::As I'm more invested in "role playing" Malton than the "scoreboard" keeping that seems to motivate most wiki editors, I'll add something more from my interest. Take this hypothetical case: There are a lot of groups with "real world" analogues. SAS, 101st Airborn, Mossad, etc. Now if a leader quits, and it's member does follow suit, it's possible for the group to be "historical." Let's say Mossad goes defunct, but did manage to somehow create a Jewish neighborhood in Malton, and got the historical status for that and general badassery. Say another player is really keen on Mossad, either because of a personal interest in the RL Mossad or an appreciation of the accomplishments of the game group. Can he not revive the group because it was "historicized?"
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| :::::I've been against Crit 12 as is. It just seems to be a way for deletionists to find happiness through fixing a "clutter problem" that doesn't really exists. Any group or entity with more than two months activity in game, and has wiki content reflecting said engagement should be "historical" and read as a reflection of the myriad ways the game can be played. As is, I think editors are thinking of "historical" as some sort of "hall of fame" category reserved for groups who did well in a narrow "scoreboard" interpretation of the game and those who invented novel ways of PKing and Griefing.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 17:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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| ::::::Well said, Envoy. The clutter is not physical (well, unless a literalist wants to take it down to the DASD level), and unless someone can point out how it otherwise griefs, I don't see an issue. The "hall of fame" notion is probably what a lot of voters are really looking for, or at least voting under--not so much that they worry about clutter, but more an indication of an interest in protecting group pages of groups significant to them. --[[User:Barbecue Barbecue|Barbecue Barbecue]] 02:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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| :::::::yeah good points. so when are you going to update the mossad page like you said you would?--[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]• [[Mossad| ה ]]•[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 05:50, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| ===Church of New Eden===
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| Ok, I've been around since the beginning and have seen all types of groups. However I never saw the Church of New Eden ever do anything. All I remember people telling me that it was a death cultist group but we never saw nor heard of them in game. So...how'd they get historical? --[[User:Saromu|Sir Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 14:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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| ::Their level of communication in-game was astounding, second only to IZONE. My older journal logs show a typical encounter with them. I'm quite surprised so many older players never ran into them, they had quite a field of experience. They were one of the early terror-spreaders of infant-[[PK]]ing. I wish a few of their members were on the wiki to speak up about it. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 23:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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| ===Paradox===
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| Not sure if this is the right place but, Paradox have 31 members on the stats page. That doesn't seem very "not active" to me. And as not being active is a requirement to be listed in historical groups shouldn't they then be removed from historical until the time they go inactive again. [[User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse]] 01:53, 8 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::See above -- [[User:Necrodeus|Necrodeus]] 19:46, 6 June 2008 (BST)
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| :::First note the timestamp. You are almost a year late with that. Then note that this was posted before the above one. :P - [[User:Whitehouse]] 11:47, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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| ===Iron Cross Brothers===
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| I'd like a re-evaluation on their historical status. They were never important or big, in fact the only reason why they got this status was because before voting on status all you had to do was put up the Category on your page and you were historical. When we switched over to voting no one wanted to remove old historical groups so they stayed. The ICB should have been called Iron Cross Brother because there was only one member. The guy made the page, claimed Fort Creedy as his, and almost went into a PK war with the CDF because he was too stupid to realize others were there first. Then that dude buggered off and someone else wanted to make a group with the same exact name, so he created the New ICB which also only consisted of himself. The group is not historical and should be removed. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:28, 10 June 2008 (BST)
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| :Or not. No one gives a shit. Thanks assholes. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 06:38, 6 July 2008 (BST)
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