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#Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game.
#Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game.
#A nomination should be made on [[Category talk:Historical Groups]].
#A nomination should be made on [[Category talk:Historical Groups]].
#Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are '''Yea''' and '''Nay'''.
#Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''.
#Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below.
#Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below.
#Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations.
#Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations.
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When nominating a group, please add a note to [[Template:Wiki News]] and add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalGroupVoting}}</nowiki>}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalVotingRules}}</nowiki>}} under the group's application for historical status.
When nominating a group, please add a note to [[Template:Wiki News]] and add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalGroupVoting}}</nowiki>}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalVotingRules}}</nowiki>}} under the group's application for historical status.


==New Nominations==
=New Nominations=
===[[The Grove]]===
The Grove formed out of a loose coalition in Judgewood in the early months of the game's existence. Seeing the need for a combined effort in an area lean on resources, the coalition became The Grove, named for their headquarters, the Brentnal Grove PD. Active in defending nearby Caiger Mall in many of the early seiges, they were a fixture in the NW corner until disbanding in 2009. In addition to their dedicated defence of Judgewood, the group made periodic tours out of their home base, lending a hand in a number of mall seiges. This group fought long and hard in this vulnerable corner, and as a result were one of the first groups to encounter Extinction in their early attempts to dominate the NW, and kept tbeir headquarters a safe haven for survivors.^^^^


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====Yes====
#Yes. This group protected Judgewood long and well. Anyone who spent any appreciable time in Judgewood would know this. [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 03:59, 12 October 2010 (BST)  - Rib15
#Absolutely. The Grove are the stuff of legends in these parts. Well, maybe not legends, but they're still very notable around here. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 09:20, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#Yeah, maybe. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:27, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#You [[The_Grove#A_Brief.28ish.29_History|talked me into it]].  True I'd never heard of them, but they apparently hit 28th on the stat page at one time and they look and feel like one of those old school groups that formed organically in game.  Nice little slice of UD history.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 11:51, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#Borderline, but as a long-time resident of Judgewood, sure.  [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:06, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - A great group in the Northwest of Malton, they deserve to be remembered for their efforts in and around Judgewood, as well as everything they did while on tour around the city. A classy survivor group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:00, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#The page looked suspect. However, they did have some grounds to boast. I'm going to say yes. --[[User:Keepster33|keepster33]] 00:58, 13 October 2010 (BST)
#'''weak yes''' i remember fighting extinstinktion and the dead with these chaps. they were small and kept to themselves but a good group none the less. and yes i remember what color my shit was yesterday.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 17:03, 13 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Super Weak Yes''' - I have never heard of [[The Grove]], but I haven't been up to the NW corner for anything either. Certainly sounds like a group worthy of the historical section on the [[Judgewood]] suburb page, but I leave it to others to make a case for them being historical beyond that. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:20, 14 October 2010 (BST)
# Never knew them personally but they seem like they were a good bunch. {{User:Weeks/Sig}} 01:58, 17 October 2010 (BST)


====No====
==Recent Nominations==
#I say, who are you? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:53, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#This is beyond a joke. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:54, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#I've heard of you, but I don't think you're at all notable.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 08:12, 12 October 2010 (BST)
# -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 12:06, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#:'''Move to strike.''' According to the rules, there must be a yes or a no vote. This post has neither. How do you know if this isn't an incorrectly placed Yes? [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 16:25, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#Is this Shit Nominations Month or something? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 15:23, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#:<s>Anyone from the Northwest should have been aware of them and their influence in the area. They're just one of those groups that had a decently large impact in the areas they helped out, and had lots of cool people with them. That said, last I checked, they don't meet #6 above (i.e. they haven't been disbanded for at least 4 months). Can someone from The Grove confirm that they have indeed been inactive for 4 months already? I've only seen their former group members start joining new groups as of a week or two ago, so I was under the impression that was when they had disbanded (but since they were on tour for so long before that, I may have just missed it). If someone can confirm it for me, I'll switch my vote to a Yes. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:29, 12 October 2010 (BST)</s>
#:<s>I don't know. This is a very weak no. Only on the grounds that this seems like a trenchcoater group. If anyone can confirm or deny this please do so.</s> --[[User:Keepster33|keepster33]] 20:35, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#::Hi, thanks for the questions. Aichon: Bilko disbanded the group on their forums in August of 2009. He said: "As the last remaining Elder in game I guess it's up to me to lock up the place. I wish all the people I've met in game good luck and a happy life. Thanks for the fun. Darryl (Bilko). '''Keepster33''': No trenchcoating here. Just defending Judgewood against often overwhelming odds and a long tour of Malton in 2007 helping out far and wide. I was in the group and have just got back on after an overlong absence and found the place shut down. They were good people and deserve to be remembered. The USAI and Cannonball Crew were among their allies. Hope this helps.[[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 21:17, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#No, you've got to be kidding.-[[User:Fallout11|Fallout11]] 21:30, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Who?''' - Never expanded very far from their home base, never had many members, never did anything worth remembering. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:37, 13 October 2010 (BST)
#:Please reconsider your vote. Lots of groups, like the Dribbling Beavers, dedicate themselves to defending a single suburb. The Grove was also involved in the early seiges of Caiger Mall, which are almost universally considered classics. Also, read the summary of the group's 2007 tour of Malton. [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 16:19, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Who?''' - --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 23:10, 13 October 2010 (BST)
# An old group is not always a historical one.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:41, 14 October 2010 (BST)
#:If you carry that reasoning forward, then most museums should throw out large portions of their collections. After all, they're only old kitchen items...I see that FES has historical status. They defended only a single BUILDING!
#Is this a joke? --[[User:Radio|Radio]] 03:31, 17 October 2010 (BST)
#You glance at a man with black rimmed glasses. Before you ask him for approval, he says '''''"No."''''' --[[User:Officer Mead Sheaffer|Noted Literature critic, Mead Sheaffer.]] 05:20, 17 October 2010 (BST)
#...Hasn't Judgewood been predominantly ruined until fairly recently? My alt used to run through there last year and never iced one of these fellas. {{User:Criminally Insane/supastampbiatch}} 05:24, 20 October 2010 (BST)
#:Of course you didn't see them. They're disbanded. That's why they're being considered for historical status.And I just looked: Brentnal Grove PD is operating just fine. The Grove maintained that as a stronghold and the tradition continues.[[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 16:19, 21 October 2010 (BST)


===[[The_Penny_Heights_OGs|The Penny Heights OGs]]===
==[[East Becktown Defenders]]==
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====Yes====
The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on [[EBD/Epitaph|May 1st, 2020]], which makes them eligible for Historical Group status.
:{{s|1=they were loud on the old Proboards Forums way back in 2005. Several historical pages link to them. [[User:Zombeater|Zombeater]]}}
The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF).
::No timestamp vote struck. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:13, 6 October 2010 (BST)
Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with [[East_Becktown_Defenders/Tools|wiki-tools]] (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the [[EBD_Stat_Party_2016|EBD StatParty]]).
The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity.


#Not quite the level of impact of a group like DARIS but unique enough in my mind during the early stages of UD that they shouldn't be left to rot in the dust. Strike this. -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 20:26, 6 October 2010 (BST)
=== Yes ===
#Fine, here we go again, timestaped: they were loud on the old Proboards Forums way back in 2005. Several historical pages link to them. [[User:Zombeater|Zombeater]] 20:28, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#:I fixed your entry so it doesn't mess up the counting. Not that the "Yes" section will need a lot of counting.-[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 20:29, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#:Two links out of the fifteen links are historical, but regardless, having links on the pages of historical groups/coalitions does not make a group historical. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 06:30, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes, but the page needs to be expanded''' - The Penny Heights OGs were one of the first PKer groups to step forward and say: "Hey, we're a PKer group.", which at that time, was not common. Most groups of that time were still pretending to be pro-survivor, so they enjoy the plausible deniability of being a "survivor group", but could get away with PKing random people. Unfortunately, it seems that their low numbers, a schism in the group (note the leadership change), and the open declaration of being a PKer group, [[Talk:The_Penny_Heights_OGs|hastened their demise]]. Despite being a small group, you can see that they [[Talk:Suburb/archives0#Colours|yellowed Penny Heights]], [[Penny_Heights/News_Archive#2005|took over two hospitals]], and even [[UTF|took a stand]] with [[DARIS]] against the [[Council_of_Leaders_(original)|CoL]]. Also, if you [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Penny_Heights_OGs&action=history look at the history for the page], [[User:Max Grivas|Max Grivas]] was advocating that they be nominated for Historical Groups back in 2007. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:09, 19 October 2010 (BST)


====No====
# '''Yes''' - {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#Never heard of 'em, and they have no real achievements. Moving on... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:04, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#What a joke. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:04, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:MicoolTNT|MicoolTNT]] 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#I've never heard of them, and If AH hasn't either, they probably weren't that notable.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:11, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - {{User:Stelar/sig}} 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#It's enough that the [[United Territories Federation]] is historical. Plus Who? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:18, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] ([[User talk:Roddy Winters|talk]]) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#No thanks. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:33, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Matt Langley|Matt Langley]] ([[User talk:Matt Langley|talk]]) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
# Not heard if them, + they are small--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:46, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Tarkenton|Tarkenton]] ([[User talk:Tarkenton|talk]]) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#Who. The. Fuck? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 21:38, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
#To quote the Bard, "Who?" {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:12, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Simcoe|Simcoe]] 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
#I've had characters in PH for years, and I've never once heard a mention of this group. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 22:35, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Yo Ris|Yo Ris]] ([[User talk:Yo Ris|talk]]) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
# -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 22:46, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:RaiNo|RaiNo]] 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
# It appears that during their time in UD a mere 5 wiki users ever had cause to comment on their talk page, and then it was only to remark that the group didn't appear to exist.  This, and comments from others asking "who?" would indicate they haven't made the kind of impact on the game that is generally deemed necessary for historical status consideration.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 23:23, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Frank Burn|Frank Burn]] ([[User talk:Frank Burn|talk]]) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
# '''Spam''' - We need a better system of trashing these idiotic claims for fame. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 01:09, 7 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:DoXBr|DoXBr]] ([[User talk:DoXBr|talk]]) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
# Who? What? Why? There's not anything remarkable in any of those categories. No. --[[User:Keepster33|keepster33]] 03:16, 7 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - [[User:Richardskull16|Richardskull16]] ([[User talk:Richardskull16|talk]]) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
#'''poop''' as everybody else.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 04:16, 7 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --{{User:Dragonshardz/dragonshardz}} {{Goonsig|Dragonshardz}} 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
#I've never heard of them either... --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 06:27, 7 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - {{User:Benigno/sig}} 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
#Sorry, the historical significance of this group cannot be found at the moment. Please leave a '''NARP''' after the beep. Beep. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 13:30, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#You know, most groups vying for historical status at least include a summary of what they've accomplished here. Was there nothing to say? --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 18:15, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#Can't say that they were that important, or at least important enough to be historical. They were pretty obnoxious as I recall, on a specific forum I lost the link to.--[[User:Officer Mead Sheaffer|Mead]] 23:46, 7 October 2010 (BST)
# Oh Glorious Blob, give me guidance as I vote on...on...ermmm...pssst, Marinus, who are these guys again? Ahh yes, the Penny Heights something or other. *The Blob simply Stares and blinks once or twice.*...I take that as a No then? Very well. NO. --[[User:Dr summeroff|Dr summeroff]] 00:22, 8 October 2010 (BST)
#:The blob has eyes?? >.> -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 23:39, 19 October 2010 (BST)
# I would never vote for an Olive Grove, no matter where its located! --[[User:Justin Scott|Justin]] 01:50, 8 October 2010 (BST)
# Who?--[[User:VinnyMendoza|VinnyMendoza]] 02:16, 8 October 2010 (BST)
# [[User:Kilroy8675309|Kilroy8675309]] 19:07, 9 October 2010 (BST)
# no, no, no... no --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 00:40, 10 October 2010 (BST)
# No, never heard of 'em.. --[[User:KujiMuji|KujiMuji]] 1:36, 10 October 2010 (BST)
# Never heard of them. They don't seem to be making a large enough impression in the game. --[[User:Citric union|Citric union]] 17:42, 11 October 2010 (BST)
# Once again, you have got to be kidding. No.-[[User:Fallout11|Fallout11]] 21:31, 12 October 2010 (BST)
# Narp. I'm guessing this vote was the biggest impact they ever had on UD. --{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:33, 14 October 2010 (BST)
# Did they ever exist to begin with? {{User:Weeks/Sig}} 23:34, 16 October 2010 (BST)


==Recent Nominations==
=== No ===
*[[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/FailedArchive#Ackland_Abattoir|Ackland Abattoir]] - '''Failed'''
#I was going to go with “Who?” but [[Talk:East_Becktown_Defenders#Your_page|apparently we’ve spoken]]. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} {{Goonsig|Revenant}} 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*[[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/FailedArchive#PTT|PTT]] - '''Failed'''
#From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
#As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's [[Survivor-Zombie_Imbalance#7|long tail]]. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
#As Spiderzed. --[[User:Papa John Schnatter|Papa John Schnatter]] ([[User talk:Papa John Schnatter|talk]]) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 
With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a '''historical group'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


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Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

  1. Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game.
  2. A nomination should be made on Category talk:Historical Groups.
  3. Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are Yes and No.
  4. Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below.
  5. Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations.
  6. Groups must allow 4 months in between when the group disbands and when they can be nominated for Historical Status. (Note: Only for Malton-based groups)


Nominations for Historical Status

When nominating a group, please add a note to Template:Wiki News and add {{HistoricalGroupVoting}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{HistoricalVotingRules}} under the group's application for historical status.

New Nominations

Recent Nominations

East Becktown Defenders

Voting Rules
Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms:
  • # comments ~~~~
    or
  • # ~~~~

Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a moderator.

The only valid voting sections are Yes and No. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on May 1st, 2020, which makes them eligible for Historical Group status. The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF). Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with wiki-tools (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the EBD StatParty). The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity.

Yes

  1. Yes - PB&J 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  2. Yes - Clayton Carmine (talk) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  3. Yes - MicoolTNT 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  4. Yes - stelar Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  5. Yes - Roddy Winters (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  6. Yes - Matt Langley (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  7. Yes - Tarkenton (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  8. Yes - Bob Moncrief EBD•W! 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  9. Yes - Simcoe 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
  10. Yes - Yo Ris (talk) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
  11. Yes - RaiNo 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
  12. Yes - Frank Burn (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
  13. Yes - DoXBr (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
  14. Yes - Richardskull16 (talk) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
  15. Yes - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ We're going to destroy everything, and you can't stop us ☉ You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
  16. Yes - Benigno SSZ RCC 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

No

  1. I was going to go with “Who?” but apparently we’ve spoken. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
  2. From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). -- Spiderzed▋ 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
  3. As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's long tail. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
  4. As Spiderzed. --Papa John Schnatter (talk) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a historical group. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

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