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Developing Suggestions

This section is for general discussion of suggestions for the game Urban Dead.

It also includes the capacity to pitch suggestions for conversation and feedback.

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How To Make a Discussion

Adding a New Discussion

To add a general discussion topic, please add a Tier 3 Header (===Example===) below, with your idea or proposal.

Adding a New Suggestion

• To add a new suggestion proposal, copy the code in the box below.
• Click here to begin editing. This is the same as clicking the [edit] link to the right of the Suggestions header.

• Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
• Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.
• The process is illustrated in this image.

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• Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
• Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change.
• Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
• Description should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.

Cycling Suggestions

• Suggestions with no new discussion in the past month may be cycled without notice.

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Suggestions

Latent Infection

Timestamp: A Big F'ing Dog 06:48, 17 August 2012 (BST)

Type: Infectious Bite Subskill

Scope: Zombies

Description: Here's an idea for what I think is a flavorful and balanced zombie buff. A zombie with Latent Infection carries a more resilient form of infection, that can be halted by not permanently cured by first-aid kits. When a zombie with the skill bites an already infected survivor a second time, the survivor receives this upgraded form of the infection. The improved infection behaves the exact same way as the old one, draining 1 HP per AP and a first-aid kit stops the health drain as normal. However after receiving first-aid the survivor still carries a latent infection. No health is drained and the survivor can live on with a latent infection indefinitely. But every time the survivor takes damage from any source there's a percentage chance equal to the amount of damage they took they'll get reinfected with a normal infection and start losing health again. Example 1: A survivor carries a latent infection. They try to free run into a ruined building, fall to the ground and take 5 damage. This gives them a 5% chance of getting reinfected and needing a new first aid kit to stop the health drain. Example 2: A survivor carries a latent infection and is attacked by a zombie using hand attacks. Each successful hand attack deals 3 damage and has a 3% chance of reinfecting the survivor. The health drain can be stopped over and over again with a first-aid kit, but the latent infection lingers on. There's no downside until you take damage again, and then only if you're unlucky or take a lot of damage. If you don't take damage too often the latent infection might rarely inconvenience you, and you could keep playing with it forever if you choose. If you take damage frequently then it might prove very inconvenient, reinfecting you all the time. Latent infections would be curable though, through two means: If you have Lab Experience, using a Necrotech syringe on yourself (other players still can't use syringes on the living) Getting revived Both cure methods only remove the latent infection, and leave your regular infection untouched. You'd still need a first-aid kit to stop the health drain. Although that's for balance reasons, it makes sense too. Even if a syringe can cure the infection in your bloodstream, you'd just get infected again if your wounds aren't cleaned.

Discussion (Latent Infection)

Lore issue: in UD, the infection from Infectious Bite is unrelated to whatever is causing people to come back as zombies, so it makes no sense that a syringe or a revive would cure this. Also, I'm just not a fan of this. It's decently enough balanced, I suppose, but it sounds like a really frustrating mechanic for survivors, and not like it would be fun at all. —Aichon— 15:53, 17 August 2012 (BST)

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Anything

Timestamp: THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens 01:05, 17 August 2012 (BST)

Type: Any Update At All

Scope: Whatever

Description: Some sort of update, anything you want, big or small, broken, flawed, or perfect. Suvivor, Zombie, or PKer buff. Just something... anything.

Discussion (Anything)

I am uncomfortable with how certain I am this would be voted Peer Reviewed rather than Humorous. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:57, 17 August 2012 (BST)

I would vote keep. And then three months later I would post a new suggestion titled "Implement the Peer Reviewed Suggestion 'Anything'" --A Big F'ing Dog 02:51, 17 August 2012 (BST)

I would Spam it for failing to abide by the rule of not making suggestions that depend on other suggestions. :P —Aichon— 03:08, 17 August 2012 (BST)

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GPS Waypoints

Timestamp: A Big F'ing Dog 18:58, 16 August 2012 (BST)

Type: Item

Scope: Anyone With A GPS

Description: What if GPS units had the same functionality as setting a safehouse, allowing you to store directions to a different location in each one you have? It'd be much easier than having to keep opening up a map in a separate browser window for every frequently visited location. It would be worth spending a little encumbrance for that convenience. Here's how it would work. You'd click on a GPS Unit at the cost of 1AP. The GPS unit would no longer show your current coordinates, but instead show directions to the building you clicked the GPS in, like so: The Blackmore Building [14 north, 9 west] Clicking the GPS Unit again for another 1AP would clear this data, showing your current coordinates again and leaving the GPS unit ready to save a new location. Zombies would be able to use GPS units to navigate this way too, but they would have to save the locations while alive.

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Follow

Timestamp: A Big F'ing Dog 00:38, 14 August 2012 (BST)

Type: Skill

Scope: Zombies

Description: This is a skill idea designed to help zombies coordinate and find each other around the city without having to metagame. Nothing wrong with metagaming, but an in game option would be nice. A zombie with Follow would be able to select any zombie present (if in their contacts) as their leader for 1AP. You can only have one leader at a time, but can switch leaders as often as you want and would be able to select no leader as well. Leaders do not have to be in your own group. Having a leader provides one benefit. Since you're carefully listening for this zombie's calls, you can now hear their Bellows from anywhere in the city. On the left hand side of the screen, beneath the city map, you would have N-S-E-W directions to the last location your leader bellowed from, with unlimited range. You have no way of knowing whether the leader is still there or not, just that their most recent bellow was from there. The next time your leader bellows those old directions are erased and replaced with the new location. Bellow directions are not visible if you're a survivor, or if your leader hasn't bellowed since you started following them. TLDR version: Follow would let you select one zombie as your leader, then receive coordinate directions to the most recent location where they used the Bellow skill.

Discussion (Follow)

I don't like this because it doesn't make rp sense. How could you hear this zombie's bellows from miles away? Are they like elephant feet? Please explain. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:28, 14 August 2012 (BST)

I figured that zombies have superior hearing, like their enhanced smell. But it's true that this might stretch even that explanation. --A Big F'ing Dog 16:46, 14 August 2012 (BST)

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Form Horde

Timestamp: A Big F'ing Dog 02:50, 13 August 2012 (BST)

Type: Skill

Scope: Zombies

Description: Survivors have Scout Safehouse, a skill that rewards them for being stationary and defending a specific place. What if zombies had a mobile counterpart skill, designed to reward them for moving around and allying with a specific zombie? Form Horde allows a zombie to "Follow" any zombie in their contacts that's in the same place as them for 30 AP. This appoints that other zombie as your leader, providing a morale bonus when they're standing in the same room as you. This morale bonus gives you a 10% chance of not spending an AP when performing an action, saving you around 5AP a day. You can only have one leader at a time, and replace your old one if you follow a new zombie. You only benefit from having a leader if you're in the same place as them, you're both zombies, and you're both standing up. Now, as a zombie you can't stop people from following you. You don't have to give permission in order for someone to select you as their leader. But followers have no particular power over you, and can't do anything like automatically sense your position or automatically move after you. All it does is give them a small AP bonus. And yes, two zombies can follow each other if they want.

Discussion (Form Horde)

Does the bonus go away if either dies like how the bonus goes away for survivors when the block is ruined or they die? Can the zombies see the location of the one they are following like how survivors can see directions to their safehouse? —Aichon— 03:44, 13 August 2012 (BST)

No, death wouldn't erase the bonus. Zombies die too often for that to be fair. The bonus does not apply if the leader is human or knocked down or not present, but you don't need to spend another 30AP once you reunite. And no, the skill does not let you track the leader in any special way. That could lead to griefing if that was the case. --A Big F'ing Dog 05:16, 13 August 2012 (BST)

The second one is good news, but the first one makes this skill far too overpowered. For survivors, they need to spend 30AP up front, and all they get out of it is a chance that it will eventually pay off, since they need to engage in a minimum of six days of specific actions in that building, without either of them falling, before it will pay off on average. In contrast, your skill is guaranteed to pay itself off. I also think you're overestimating zombie deaths and underestimating how powerful this skill is for certain groups of zombies. Despite being active in strike teams nearly every day for the last several months, it's been weeks since my MOB zombie died, and it was weeks before that since it died previously, meaning that, even with deaths negating it, this skill would have paid for itself several times over. And considering that strike teams generally have the same strike leader every day, you're talking about a five-zombie strike team effectively having a permanent boost allowing them to knock down an extra two full levels of barricades every single day. That's immense, and it comes without any drawbacks, downsides, or chances needing to be taken. Strike teams, while I love them, are not in need of buffing, yet this skill seems perfectly tailored to buff strike teams while doing little for the rest of the zombie population, which is the group more in need of buffing. —Aichon— 05:48, 13 August 2012 (BST)

Good points. What if the cost was reduced to 15AP, but the link is erased if the following zombie is headshot, requiring another 15AP to follow again. That way the skill pays off if you go for more than three days without a headshot.--A Big F'ing Dog 06:28, 13 August 2012 (BST)

As I said, I go weeks on average without getting killed or revived. Three days would pay off nearly every single time, unless we were in the middle of a decent siege, and those only show up maybe once a year. Also, see Ross' comment below. It's EXTREMELY true. I don't know any intelligent survivors using the skill, simply because it is so worthless. The only time it pays for itself is when there aren't zombies around, but if there aren't zombies around, then the skill is worthless. Plus, now that I think about it, if we had a skill like this, it would encourage survivors to go outside and shoot zombies more often, which is something I definitely think needs to be discouraged more. —Aichon— 16:42, 13 August 2012 (BST)

Scout safehouse is a self imposed idiot tax. Zombies dont really need their own version. --Ross^WHO????ness 10:13, 13 August 2012 (BST)

Also, rereading this, zergers wet dream. --Ross^WHO????ness 16:46, 13 August 2012 (BST)

True. I guess it provides a bonus in the wrong places. I like the mechanic of having to ally yourself with a specific zombie though, so I'll try to think of another skill that uses that without an AP bonus. --A Big F'ing Dog 18:07, 13 August 2012 (BST)

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Suggestions up for voting

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