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| == Do you zerg? == | | ==Spying on the Old Arkham Reclamation Effort in 2021== |
| This post is to address the above question. I suspect the answer is "yes", but I'd like to present my case here and give you a chance to defend yourself.
| | Zarak Goldleaf, leader of the Scurvy Scroungers, was caught spying on the Old Arkham Reclamation Effort Discord. He used a false backstory, pretending to be a local survivor called TheAstronomer, and watched our operations to get a tactical advantage. We discovered this when he asked for aid in one of the public channels of the Ridleybank Resistance Front's Discord. The RRF would later kick him from the server, but not before we were able to screenshot proof of the same account between both servers. |
| === Scurvy Scoungers named "zerg" ===
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| The following accounts were all created on 2009-01-03. | |
| *HandyManZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1441846
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| *PostManZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1441754
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| *MilkManZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1441850
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| *GenZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1441751
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| Furthermore, you've listed CapZerg as an important member of the Scurvy Scroungers. If so, is he also responsible for the following accounts or are they separate players?
| | Following this we moved everyone besides "TheAstronomer" to a secret channel, providing bogus information to the main channel and watching to see if he would act on it. Zarak's forces responded within hours, preempting our false targets. When we pretended to bemoan this in chat, "TheAstronomer" would within minutes provide an innocuous explanation for the Scroungers getting the drop on us. |
| *SergZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1428577
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| *CapZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1401005
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| *LtZerg http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1402126
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| *CorpZerg http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1428571
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| There are other scroungers with the last name "zerg" which I have not listed. I understand that some groups like to choose similar naming conventions to show unity but perhaps you can see why this draws suspicion, particularly with the accounts created on 2009-01-03.
| | When I confronted him in a private message over Discord, he admitted to the spying and claimed it was "part of the game." Moreover, he made several statements that would seem to corroborate the zerging charges his group has fielded for years (see: the Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive below). Among these suspicious statements are bargaining to only skirmish with his "core" group of players if we consent to his territorial terms, asserting that he would go so far as to say his group has "more than 8" people playing despite it having 22 active members, and stating that he would leave TheAstronomer at a location for us to communicate with if we wish (the bizarre implication being, if he isn't zerging, that he would not play within ten spaces of this character as he awaited us to contact him). |
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| === ScS Response ===
| | Included in this imgur album are screen shots of his spying account, our conversation, and screenshots of a group of new characters (newarkhamhorde1, newarkhamhorde2, newarkhamhorde3, newarkhamhorde4, and newarkhamhorde5) created in the midst of these events. |
| Response: The scroungers recruited irl a number of people on the day in question. I was not personally present when they all joined up but I am told they decided on the Zerg name gimick. Some of them indeed did zerg, but this was investigated by administration, and those accounts were removed, I think the number was 3 accounts, the remaining scroungers were all different people. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| === Confusion among the ranks? ===
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| On your newly created wiki page you've listed Maron Deldibon as an important member of the Scurvy Scroungers. I have witnessed Maron attacking in turn, within a minute of a Scrounger attack so I believe this claim to be true. However Maron's group affiliation is actually Urban Paladin, not Scurvy Scrounger. I can understand the confusion, if you are managing multiple accounts.
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| Response: The confusion was simply a matter of some players not switching their tag. It's that simple. Maron was the leader of the Urban Paladins who were a survivor group who switched sides after consistently being pked. Simply forgot to switch his tag. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | While it is notoriously difficult to prove zerging, I felt these merely circumstantial details might be important as part of an ongoing record of suspicious behavior. --[[User:AspiR|AspiR]] ([[User talk:AspiR|talk]]) 04:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC) |
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| === Lack of a wiki or forum ===
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| This wiki page was created today, Jan 27th, 2009. For quite a long time the Scroungers consisted of 10 players. But within the last few weeks your numbers have shot up to 21. This seems unusual since during that time you had no wiki page or forum to recruit with. Furthermore, Scurvy Scrounger graffiti in New Arkham is non-existant.
| | Lolololololol. Hilarious analysis. A ruse that cost about 20 or 30 bodies each day. Well done. Of course I admit to spying, there's no game rule about it (sharing information or bypassing in game communication restrictions on the otherhand...) and if your so dense you walk around broadcasting links to your discord that anyone can pop in and scroll back through your chats on than you deserve to be spied on. Sorry we aren't a bunch of putz's communicating on public channels like you guys. |
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| My question to you is - '''"How does a zombie group with no means of in-game communication, no wiki presence, no allies, and no advertising go from 10 to 21 members in a matter of weeks?"'''
| | That I don't screenshot all suspicious stuff from survivors in the area, your group included, and post it is more indicative of how little I care about what you guys are up to rather than indicative of survivors being the 'pure' bs you guys always claim. So many alts with similar names always running around the area, camping outside NT's and whacking zeds inside, etc, anyone who can think can piece it together. If not you specifically then the chum that has shown up to feed off of you is spamming level 1 survivors into the area and has been since October. Not complaining, just pointing out no ones hands are clean and this isn't a court where you need to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt. I have never said no one in our group ever zergs, but I've been playing this account for a long time. If I was multiplying suspiciously I would be gone a long time ago. |
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| My explanation is quite simple. There is no need for a forum or an in-game recruitment drive if to bolster your numbers you simply create more accounts.
| | I loved your justification as wanting to make this area 'fun' or whatever bs alluded to. This area is fun. I love wandering the streets of my pile of rubble. Its a big game ruin hunting preserve and we are the caretakers. We love those guys when they come down and give them a good challenge to get some good repairs. We talked it over and are redirecting to act as game wardens for this preserve. Any of them want to come down and safari and we will give them a good game. The rest of you should pack your bags and beat it. |
| This is my argument. I have been biased in my argument so that it would stand on its own. However I will objectively listen to your response and I hope that the zerging, if it exists, is the result of a rogue member and not your policy as a group. | |
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| --[[User:Giles Sednik|Giles Sednik]] 00:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC) | | God I love how much forum spying winds you guys up. Me and the rest of the scroungers literally just got done with a google meet laugh fest at your guys expense. Thanks for the hilarious finish to the weekend! --[[User:Zarak Goldleaf|Zarak Goldleaf]] ([[User talk:Zarak Goldleaf|talk]]) 05:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC) |
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| === ScS response part 2 === | | ==Old Talk== |
| | Older discussions have been sent to the [[Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive]]. |
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| Response: Indeed the scroungers did not have a wiki until recently because we are a group of IRL friends, and until survivor activity stepped up, did not need to recruit in game. The 12 or 13 of us were creating a nice niche in NA with occasional raids into other zones and didn't see the need for a wiki. Furthermore, we recruited through out of game methods largely because it is impossible, or nearly so, for zombies to effectively recruit in game. We had attempted spraypainting when reved a number of times, but that proved to just get covered over almost immediately. Our surge in membership was a result of adding aditional IRL friends to the game as well as gaining membership from other games some of our members play, such as MUDs. Additionally some of our members hadn't added the Scrounger's tag due to some internal confusion and did so following a roster check durring the middle of January. As I mentioned earlier, and perhaps to satisfy your hopes Giles, the zerging being done was carried out by a couple of new recruits (we recruited something like 8 people durring a IRL party we had). A couple of them proceeded to zerg, were punished by the administration, and told to leave the Scroungers. It is not a group policy, and was an restricted to one or two individuals. Were actually curious about the sudden surge of activity on the part of the South West Alliance. Until late dec 08, early jan 09 there was little to no resistance in this area when all of the sudden the number of survivors seemed to tripple overnight. Were pretty sure you just begged for outside help, and banded together due to our unimaginably successfull strategies, but since your going to throw acusations at us how bout you answer for yourselves? --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| === SWA response ===
| | Hey guys, are you still active at all in New Arkham? The Herd is beginning operations there and are doing a role call on possible allies. --{{User:Boneshred_The_Hungry/Signature}} 00:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC) |
| | :Judging by Aichon marking the group as inactive three years ago (as seen above) I don't think they are. It's worth a check though. --[[User:Zam Hangrah|Zam Hangrah]] 11:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC) |
| | We actually are active in the zone. We had been inactive for a couple of years, but returned over a year ago, and have actually been maintaining more of a presence on the forums. We would be delighted to have some allies in the zone for a change and look forward to a cooperative effort. You can continue to contact me here, or on my user page, or pop into the Mitchener building and visit me there. --[[User:Zarak Goldleaf|Zarak Goldleaf]] 06:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC) |
| | :Fantastic, glad to hear the Scurvies are still scrounging ^^ I was very excited to see you went through the effort of seeking out and posting on our forums. I've been in talks with Lebende Tote up in Grigg Heights, and they same amiable to the idea of joining in the carnage down here. We should consider arranging a meeting between representatives and tacticians from each group, forming a war counsel so to speak. Working together, there is a good chance that we can do much more than merely drag Nah Argham screaming into the cold grasp of the damned. --{{User:Boneshred_The_Hungry/Signature}} 19:11, 2 April 2013 (BST) |
| | I like this idea. Moreover, I like the idea of the 3 groups forming up a war council and trying to start up a horde of enough size to begin touring. We are in construction of forums for our group (we communicate elsewise atm, but our numbers have started to grow) and will let you know when we have them up. In the mean time, lets coordinate some raids for brainz! --[[User:Zarak Goldleaf|Zarak Goldleaf]] 05:59, 3 April 2013 (BST) |
| | :Hey Zarak, my apologies for my sudden absence, life decided to be a crazy whore and had me rather occupied. I'm in discussions with the defacto senior members of the Herd. I'll give you more details once they've been nailed down. --{{User:Boneshred_The_Hungry/Signature}} 18:22, 15 April 2013 (BST) |
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| Thank you for your reply Ebineezer. I appreciate your candor and your desire to handle the zerging that occurred in your group when it came to your attention. Your explanation seems adequate to me and I believe you when you say that the zerging activity was the result of a rogue player or two and not your policy as a group. My personal feeling is that it was more widespread than 3 names but I am willing to accept your response at face value.
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| I recall the times when your group numbered in the 12 - 14 range and the damage you were able to inflict on Foulkes Village with that small cadre. I've long suspected that your core group was honest and intelligent, separate from the blatant zerging that took place, and I'm glad to find out that you will remain intact as a healthy opponent. And if you chose to move elsewhere I wish you luck in your endeavors. Myself and the SWA are not opposed to players being zombies and in fact a number of us maintain zombie alts and enjoy the sweet pleasure of barhah. | | Hi Scurvy Scroungers! I wanted to let you know that the [[Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive|Scurvy Scroungers Talk Archive]] should be placed on a subpage of [[Scurvy Scroungers]], not a mainspace page unto itself. I can move it to an appropriate location for you; I would suggest [[Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive]]. If you would prefer a different subpage name, just let me know and I'll carry it out. Thanks! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 17:54, 4 April 2013 (BST) |
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| As far as the surge in survivor numbers in New Arkham, I've written an article on [[South_West_Alliance/Archive/Operation:_Vitamin_C|our New Arkham activities]] that very clearly outlines what happened. The SWA isn't trying to take full credit for the turn-around in NA but we did play a part. The article recognizes the efforts of the local survivors and other groups who joined the fray. There is room in the article for you to leave your own account of events, from your perspective. And to directly address your question - no, we don't zerg, and I don't think we do anything that even resembles zerging. I hope to see the Scroungers again in battle, and I hope that we can both engage each other through the time-honored tradition of [[civility]]. Thanks again for your response. Long live Urban Dead!<br>
| | My bad Bob, didn't even think to check on that. Yeah moving it to the suggested location would be fine by us. Thanks! --[[User:Zarak Goldleaf|Zarak Goldleaf]] 05:04, 5 April 2013 (BST) |
| --[[User:Giles Sednik|Giles Sednik]] <sup>[[CAPD]][[SWA]]</sup> 21:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | |
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| == Heads up == | | ==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2013== |
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| Controll = wrong. Control = right. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
| | I'm a volunteer helping to do some janitorial work on the suburb pages of the wiki. As part of that, we're double-checking in which suburbs each group is active. Currently, you're listed in one or more suburbs, in addition to using a radio frequency. If you would like to continue being listed, then please respond within the next month with the radio frequency you are using and a list of every suburb where you are currently active. If we don't hear back from you or we can't get the information we need, we'll be removing you from the lists, but you're welcome to re-add yourself later. If you have any questions, feel free to visit our informational page. Thanks. {{User:RadicalWhig/sig}} 13:23, 25 October 2013 (BST) |
| | :Because your group hasn't responded within a month, your suburb and radio listings have been removed. Feel free to relist your group. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 16:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC) |
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| You caught a typo. Thanks? --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| == I agree with Giles...something's definitely amiss with this crew. ==
| | Seems that your group is a little far from home. Why is that? {{User:Stelar/sig}} 06:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC) |
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| Glad to see it wasn't just me imaginging things and I wouldn't hold my breath awaiting an honest reply from anyone in that crew. {{Unsigned|Stockcs1}}
| | I'm not sure really. Our numbers have almost doubled in the last 6 weeks or so (new scroungers joined and old scroungers came back) and I'm not sure where everyone is at the moment. I only vaguely recognize your name and group but seem to have you flagged as not a dick in my contacts list. Are you wanting a skirmish or a ruin hunt, perhaps a 'mall raid' game? Come to the Mitchener, kiss my ring, and we can hash out an accord. --[[User:Zarak Goldleaf|Zarak Goldleaf]] ([[User talk:Zarak Goldleaf|talk]]) 13:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC) |
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| Response: Our lack of response to this was because we were unaware that this page even existed. It certainly was never mentioned to us in game, and as I have noted elsewhere, we didn't use, and were unfamiliar with the wiki until recently. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | :Isn't your group based in New Arkham? Why would they be continually ruining buildings three to four suburbs away? Also I'm intrigued as to how you have me in your contacts list. As far as I know I've never encountered you in game. {{User:Stelar/sig}} 22:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC) |
| | | :The gang is all over the place doing whatever it is that they do. I don't keep them on a leash, I just coordinate strategy for them, monitor the wiki, and let them know what the patrols look like in our territory. Probably they think its hilarious to roam that far or are chasing some dickholes, or harassing Smithwcks, I can't say for certain as I mostly just hang out here in my rubble but if they are bothering you its probably been collateral damage and someone else has their ire. I have you in my 'not an ass' color code because that's what the gang tells me and I see you post on forums here and there. --[[User:Zarak Goldleaf|Zarak Goldleaf]] ([[User talk:Zarak Goldleaf|talk]]) 01:05, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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| LOL!, I guess its easy to launched highly organized attacks when they are controlled by only a few people. You went from 10-30 members almost overnight, no longstanding,highly advertised, well known groups have posted those kind of numbers which leaves only a single conclusion. Your group and others who engage in this kind of play are a bane to this game and the principle of fairplay. You destroy the balance that is achieved by the 50 AP limit...blah blah blah, you already know all of this and probably don't care, if you did you wouldn't be doing it in the first place. Disgusting.--[[User:Legion|Legion]] 19:07, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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| Response: The Scroungers are indeed highly organized. Over the course of about a year a group of around 10 people demolished the groups in this corner. We communicate through message boards hosted elsewhere, and coordinate our strikes as well as zombies can. We noticed that it was groups not normally located in this zone who did the leg work in outing our group from the Mitchener, it is at that point that we began in game recruiting. To further adress this comment I would propose that it is actually childish tactics and behaviour like those employed by your groups that are actually the bane to this game. The Scroungers have constently had people hurling insults at us, taging buildings with insults, and other such acts, simply because we play the opposite alignment in a game. Show some maturity. On the flip side of things, the Scroungers simply keep quiet, and launch coordinated, and effective attacks. The singleminded determination to eliminate all resistance that you have shown, while perhaps a natural part of the game, is actually what destroys the balance. Take a look at the map, clearly their is no balance. Zombies are horribly out matched. Your behavior suggests you have self esteem issues. Please seek professional help. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| While were on the subject of your guys' behavior lets talk about some of the cheap tactics you employ. This is right off your forums, and is a post from Giles. Heres the link to the page itself http://z15.invisionfree.com/UDSouthWest/index.php?showtopic=160
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| " Well after moving up to the Care bank to rest I was PKed in a what appears to be a coordinated assault between a few of the rotters and a PKer named Pirim.
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| I would actually say that this is a major tactical breakthrough in our efforts to retake the NT building. The rotters who were stationed there have now left the building and are APed out in my current position. This should mean that the building is ungaurded. by at least Sheik and Gothmogg.
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| We don't have to worry about the PKer for now because he can't stop us from barricading and powering the building. I'm going to check on the Mitchener in zombie form now and we'll see what the situation is.
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| - Balthcazar and Ebineezer Shifton are inside the Mitchener now. They're both rotters. There is a revifying corspe here as well. I'm going to stand here overnight and build up some AP. If anyone runs into me go ahead and pass along a revive, otherwise I'll start on the two rotters with my hands and teeth in the morning.
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| Oh yeh, I changed my group affiliation to Scurvy Scroungeres so I can track them with the scent death. Here's my profile so there's no confusion http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1092512 "
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| Wow, that is a really lame and cheap move Giles. No surprise though, I've seen you do it in the past, but having your own admission just makes it that much lamer. Wouldn't surprise me if some of you had made zombies and added the Scroungers tag just to follow our movements and have drones for newbs in your groups to xp off of. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 19:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| I would like to quickly address some of your concerns. Firstly, I think it is wrong to hurl insults at players just for playing as zombies/PKers etc. If survivors have been taging buildings with insulting or abusive language towards you I apologize for that and I think it's wrong. I'm totally against that and I've written an article on [[civility]] to try and address this kind of behavior, specifically among survivors. I hope that people will listen to me and begin to treat their opponents with a little respect. I agree it damages game balance and it damages the experience of the game. So, a totally valid point on your part.
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| As far as my in-game tactics, I respect that you disagree with how I play. However, I don't think any of the tactics I've ever employed are cheap or lame. So I have nothing to hide there and I don't mind "admitting" to using scent death. I'm a proponent of using all of the tools within the game at your disposal - combat revives, revive point clogging, group tags, X:00, GKing, etc. Actually the only things I find objectionable are zerging, abusiveness, and forum spying. | |
| I will never infiltrate your forums to gain a competitive advantage, even if you have done this to us. And again, I can promise you I've never made any zombie drones/zerg accounts and I know that no one in the SWA has ever mentioned doing this. If they did, I would remind them that this is cheating.
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| --[[User:Giles Sednik|Giles Sednik]] <sup>[[CAPD]][[SWA]]</sup> 21:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Well to be fair, humans have a massively easier time communicating, and zombies are at a complete disadvantage when it comes to communication and organization. So what zombies DON'T need are humans changing team tags so that we can be individually hunted or located. To me that seems no different than viewing another group's forum for one's own advantage. Humans have countless more advantages as it is, first and foremost with the number of active users. And things like rotter reviving in a ruined building seems like abuse of a game mechanical oversight. It removes one of the only meager advantages a zombie has. I personally don't bother perusing your forums, as it is bad form, but I believe it to be equally bad form to change your tag to ours.
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| In fact, it should probably be changed so you flat out can't use someone's team tag without that team's permission. But that is neither here nor there.
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| Man, how long has this talk page been around, anyway? We just found it out a few days ago.
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| --[[User:Gerald Studabaker|Gerald Studabaker]] 06:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Your funny ebineezer, A zerg group that accuses others of zerging seems to the classic response these days. Congratulations on your IRL recruiting drive. Since it was the only possible yet unprovable response you could give I salute you, getting people to play urban dead is difficult, daily limits, no graphics, ect... yet you got over a dozen people in one day, nice. And not only that these people with varying degrees and backgrounds are able to attack in unison every single day without fail, your lucky to have such dedicated people in your group, the logistics alone are amazing. You know what is really hard though? Pulling off something like Operation Vitamin C! Coordination between 4-5 different groups, with different schedules,and different abilities that are actually controlled by different people.
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| I find it hilarious that you are bashing giles about using low tactics to gather in-game information yet you admit to being a forum spy at the same time. Do you see the problem?
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| Personally I think your lying...about everything. Why allow members to use zerg in their name knowing the implications, its not a gimmick, you just didn't care at the time because you were unopposed in the area. My guess is that you have between 5-10 people actually active controlling small clusters of zeds.
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| Why don't you provide a link to your forums, I would love to stop in and say hello to your members in your public area of the forums.--[[User:Legion|Legion]] 19:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Well the reason it is so easy for us to coordinate is because 75% of us all live in the same town and grew up together. And everyone in our group is reachable through our actual phones, so when a strike is needed, it's usually known a couple hours ahead of time via texting. And yes, scheduling is sometimes a problem, but more often than not, we can make very coordinated strikes because we are all friends first, not just strangers who enjoy the same game.
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| And good lord, how in the world could anyone have 5-10 characters that they run? You only get so much AP per day, and what with having a character in Monroeville that uses the same amount, I don't see how it's possible. Maybe if you shelled out $5 a character, but I haven't spent a dime on this game. You know, because it's a free online game.--[[User:Gerald Studabaker|Gerald Studabaker]] 06:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Yeah getting people to play urban dead is difficult, but our friends have joined up, and as I mentioned earlier alot of them play MUD's which are non graphical text based games so they are used to that sort of thing.. Not all of them play every day either, so we spend alot of time with only about 10 of us active and doing suff against 10 times the number. We use forums to communicate, as well as other methods, like the telephone. You talk about coordination between 4-5 different groups of completely different people, but I seriously doubt that you have no zergers among your ranks. As for accusing you of zerging, I am merely reporting a fact about the sudden, overnight influx of survivors into the SW. Maybe it is legit maybe it isn't. I am willing to accept the idea that you somehow managed to coordinate that sort of assault. Yet you can't accept the idea that we added a few new members to the group. You can call me a liar all you want, but you have no proof of it, so until you get some, you can shove it.
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| I don't see a problem with forum spying. If you are idiot enough to post sensitive information on a forum which isn't part of the game and which everyone can see, that seems like your own fault. Were not giving away a link to our forums anytime soon, so you can just forget about that. What I do see a problem is using abusing an in game feature designed to help zombies coordinate their efforts so you can gain a tactical advantage. If we could control who added our tag, you would never be able to do that. You, on the other hand, could lock out your forums. | |
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| As far as the success of Op C, I wouldn't be slaping eachother on the butt about it too much. Consider this; its quite easy to kick 17 zombies asses when you have x10 survivors in the zone. Quite another to coordinate successfull assaults on various strongholds when your in the opposite position. I did a little scouting the other day and found no less then 3 survivors in every single building in NA. The fact that we ever inflict any damage is a testimate to how well we are organized. I certainly remember a time not too long ago where 8 or 9 of us ruined Henley repeatedly and sent CAPD running. Your just pissed that it took this massive of an effort on your part to handle a significantly smaller group. Deal with it. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 06:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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| It is interesting to look at the suburb pages. Lots of survivor groups, but only 1 or 2 two zombie groups. This sad state of affairs is ruining the game. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::It ebbs and flows. Back in 2006, the Southwest was the perennial wasteland. What's really doing it is the mega-hordes. Such a concentration of zombies rolls through an area, then survivors revive the fallen and it's green until the next mega-horde rolls through. My personal view is that every survivor in Malton should also run at LEAST one zombie, to keep things interesting for other survivors. It also makes them better survivors, to see the other side of the fence. - [[User:Elbert gray|Uncle Elbert]] 21:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Agreed. The mega-hordes devistate any balance. When its just a couple groups duking it out you can get some really cool wars raging. Everyone looks for the upperhand though and brings in more to the fight. If zombies could more easily maintain a defense against survivor groups maybe the hordes wouldn't roam so much, but it doesn't look like any changes are going to happen any time soon to create that sort of scenario, so until then I guess it is what it is. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 06:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Occasionally, general checks are done of group activity. This may seem like a stupid question, but it's for all groups, regardless of size. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 15:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| The Scroungers are active. --[[User:Ebineezer Shifton|Ebineezer Shifton]] 17:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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Spying on the Old Arkham Reclamation Effort in 2021
Zarak Goldleaf, leader of the Scurvy Scroungers, was caught spying on the Old Arkham Reclamation Effort Discord. He used a false backstory, pretending to be a local survivor called TheAstronomer, and watched our operations to get a tactical advantage. We discovered this when he asked for aid in one of the public channels of the Ridleybank Resistance Front's Discord. The RRF would later kick him from the server, but not before we were able to screenshot proof of the same account between both servers.
Following this we moved everyone besides "TheAstronomer" to a secret channel, providing bogus information to the main channel and watching to see if he would act on it. Zarak's forces responded within hours, preempting our false targets. When we pretended to bemoan this in chat, "TheAstronomer" would within minutes provide an innocuous explanation for the Scroungers getting the drop on us.
When I confronted him in a private message over Discord, he admitted to the spying and claimed it was "part of the game." Moreover, he made several statements that would seem to corroborate the zerging charges his group has fielded for years (see: the Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive below). Among these suspicious statements are bargaining to only skirmish with his "core" group of players if we consent to his territorial terms, asserting that he would go so far as to say his group has "more than 8" people playing despite it having 22 active members, and stating that he would leave TheAstronomer at a location for us to communicate with if we wish (the bizarre implication being, if he isn't zerging, that he would not play within ten spaces of this character as he awaited us to contact him).
Included in this imgur album are screen shots of his spying account, our conversation, and screenshots of a group of new characters (newarkhamhorde1, newarkhamhorde2, newarkhamhorde3, newarkhamhorde4, and newarkhamhorde5) created in the midst of these events.
https://imgur.com/a/o4Q5vNj
While it is notoriously difficult to prove zerging, I felt these merely circumstantial details might be important as part of an ongoing record of suspicious behavior. --AspiR (talk) 04:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Lolololololol. Hilarious analysis. A ruse that cost about 20 or 30 bodies each day. Well done. Of course I admit to spying, there's no game rule about it (sharing information or bypassing in game communication restrictions on the otherhand...) and if your so dense you walk around broadcasting links to your discord that anyone can pop in and scroll back through your chats on than you deserve to be spied on. Sorry we aren't a bunch of putz's communicating on public channels like you guys.
That I don't screenshot all suspicious stuff from survivors in the area, your group included, and post it is more indicative of how little I care about what you guys are up to rather than indicative of survivors being the 'pure' bs you guys always claim. So many alts with similar names always running around the area, camping outside NT's and whacking zeds inside, etc, anyone who can think can piece it together. If not you specifically then the chum that has shown up to feed off of you is spamming level 1 survivors into the area and has been since October. Not complaining, just pointing out no ones hands are clean and this isn't a court where you need to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt. I have never said no one in our group ever zergs, but I've been playing this account for a long time. If I was multiplying suspiciously I would be gone a long time ago.
I loved your justification as wanting to make this area 'fun' or whatever bs alluded to. This area is fun. I love wandering the streets of my pile of rubble. Its a big game ruin hunting preserve and we are the caretakers. We love those guys when they come down and give them a good challenge to get some good repairs. We talked it over and are redirecting to act as game wardens for this preserve. Any of them want to come down and safari and we will give them a good game. The rest of you should pack your bags and beat it.
God I love how much forum spying winds you guys up. Me and the rest of the scroungers literally just got done with a google meet laugh fest at your guys expense. Thanks for the hilarious finish to the weekend! --Zarak Goldleaf (talk) 05:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Old Talk
Older discussions have been sent to the Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive.
Status Check
Hey guys, are you still active at all in New Arkham? The Herd is beginning operations there and are doing a role call on possible allies. --Boneshred The Hungry 00:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Judging by Aichon marking the group as inactive three years ago (as seen above) I don't think they are. It's worth a check though. --Zam Hangrah 11:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
We actually are active in the zone. We had been inactive for a couple of years, but returned over a year ago, and have actually been maintaining more of a presence on the forums. We would be delighted to have some allies in the zone for a change and look forward to a cooperative effort. You can continue to contact me here, or on my user page, or pop into the Mitchener building and visit me there. --Zarak Goldleaf 06:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Fantastic, glad to hear the Scurvies are still scrounging ^^ I was very excited to see you went through the effort of seeking out and posting on our forums. I've been in talks with Lebende Tote up in Grigg Heights, and they same amiable to the idea of joining in the carnage down here. We should consider arranging a meeting between representatives and tacticians from each group, forming a war counsel so to speak. Working together, there is a good chance that we can do much more than merely drag Nah Argham screaming into the cold grasp of the damned. --Boneshred The Hungry 19:11, 2 April 2013 (BST)
I like this idea. Moreover, I like the idea of the 3 groups forming up a war council and trying to start up a horde of enough size to begin touring. We are in construction of forums for our group (we communicate elsewise atm, but our numbers have started to grow) and will let you know when we have them up. In the mean time, lets coordinate some raids for brainz! --Zarak Goldleaf 05:59, 3 April 2013 (BST)
- Hey Zarak, my apologies for my sudden absence, life decided to be a crazy whore and had me rather occupied. I'm in discussions with the defacto senior members of the Herd. I'll give you more details once they've been nailed down. --Boneshred The Hungry 18:22, 15 April 2013 (BST)
Moving your archive
Hi Scurvy Scroungers! I wanted to let you know that the Scurvy Scroungers Talk Archive should be placed on a subpage of Scurvy Scroungers, not a mainspace page unto itself. I can move it to an appropriate location for you; I would suggest Scurvy Scroungers/Talk Archive. If you would prefer a different subpage name, just let me know and I'll carry it out. Thanks! Bob Moncrief EBD•W! 17:54, 4 April 2013 (BST)
My bad Bob, didn't even think to check on that. Yeah moving it to the suggested location would be fine by us. Thanks! --Zarak Goldleaf 05:04, 5 April 2013 (BST)
Great Suburb Group Massacre 2013
I'm a volunteer helping to do some janitorial work on the suburb pages of the wiki. As part of that, we're double-checking in which suburbs each group is active. Currently, you're listed in one or more suburbs, in addition to using a radio frequency. If you would like to continue being listed, then please respond within the next month with the radio frequency you are using and a list of every suburb where you are currently active. If we don't hear back from you or we can't get the information we need, we'll be removing you from the lists, but you're welcome to re-add yourself later. If you have any questions, feel free to visit our informational page. Thanks. --
FoD PK Praise Rando! 13:23, 25 October 2013 (BST)
- Because your group hasn't responded within a month, your suburb and radio listings have been removed. Feel free to relist your group. Bob Moncrief EBD•W! 16:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Question
Seems that your group is a little far from home. Why is that? stelar Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge 06:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure really. Our numbers have almost doubled in the last 6 weeks or so (new scroungers joined and old scroungers came back) and I'm not sure where everyone is at the moment. I only vaguely recognize your name and group but seem to have you flagged as not a dick in my contacts list. Are you wanting a skirmish or a ruin hunt, perhaps a 'mall raid' game? Come to the Mitchener, kiss my ring, and we can hash out an accord. --Zarak Goldleaf (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Isn't your group based in New Arkham? Why would they be continually ruining buildings three to four suburbs away? Also I'm intrigued as to how you have me in your contacts list. As far as I know I've never encountered you in game. stelar Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge 22:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- The gang is all over the place doing whatever it is that they do. I don't keep them on a leash, I just coordinate strategy for them, monitor the wiki, and let them know what the patrols look like in our territory. Probably they think its hilarious to roam that far or are chasing some dickholes, or harassing Smithwcks, I can't say for certain as I mostly just hang out here in my rubble but if they are bothering you its probably been collateral damage and someone else has their ire. I have you in my 'not an ass' color code because that's what the gang tells me and I see you post on forums here and there. --Zarak Goldleaf (talk) 01:05, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
