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Cobra vs User:Doc Ryleigh

The Cobra group page is currently contested. As the contesting party hasn't come forward yet with any proposals for an acceptable solution, I will go ahead in order to resolve this edit conflict.

Main contester is User:Doc Ryleigh, Cobra's former leader. (Associated contesters include, but aren't necessarily limited to User:Goribus and User:Urgggggggh.)

Doc Ryleigh has stopped to be the leader over a year ago and has since been succeeded by two other leaders, namely User:Sage Carr and myself (as evident in the group pages uncontested history). My own leadership position has also been cemented by a recent internal poll, which I entered uncontested.

Doc Ryleigh was unhappy with the current administration and policies. Rather than to try to get back into position by convincing the members to adjust policies and personell, she has tried to grab attention by a sneak PKing attack while she still had diplomat access to our forums. After the majority of the members has voiced to kick her out completely, she got in control of the old root admin account and abused it to claim control of the group's old forums, throwing out everyone who dared to speak up against her claim.

I restarted new forums, and had the majority of the group actively following me to them. (10 confirmed separate members on the new forums, leaving a maximum of 4 members to Doc Ryleigh's rogue faction - all of whom have been idle for months and solely returned for the recent drama.)

As the rogue faction lacks popular support by the members and can back up its claims on the page only on lost titles and stolen forums access, it has no business to claim any ownership or editing rights for Cobra or any of its associated sub-pages, talk pages, categories, templates, recruitment ads, guides or images.

As per Umbrella precedent, they are free to start a new group, even under a similar name, but not by vandalizing a page they have no ownership of.

I propose the following arbitrators:



I'll await now the response by the contesting party. -- Spiderzed█ 18:55, 20 June 2011 (BST)

I offer to arbitrate. I'm vaguely familiar with the facts, and I hate all of you just as much.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 19:05, 20 June 2011 (BST)

I can arbitatortot this shit. I don't know who either of you niggas is but I promise to solve this lest we want another Tupac and Biggie death. I propose a rap battle. --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 19:39, 20 June 2011 (BST)

I feel a bit of background knowledge might be best suited to the arbitrator in this case and as I know none, I doubt I'd be a particularly fitting arbitrator for this case, so even if I were picked I'd probably sit this one out. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 20:42, 20 June 2011 (BST)

I'm intrigued that you put me up in your list of arbitrators. While I thank you for your trust in me I'm afraid I have to decline (should I be accepted by the other party, which I doubt but anyway). I do actually have a lot of experience in inner group drama and can closely relate to the issue at hand. However, I'm extremely busy at the moment and I really won't have time for this. I'll definitely keep an eye on the case though. Good luck. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:28, 20 June 2011 (BST)

I have no expectation of being accepted but I'll offer to arbitrate anyway. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 23:06, 20 June 2011 (BST)

Having caught up on your old arbie cases tonight, I would accept you. Ryleigh? -- Spiderzed█ 00:07, 21 June 2011 (BST)

I'll offer to arbitrate. I may not be Spiderzed or Ryleigh's top choice but I'm a nuetral party and just so happen to have a good deal of free time on my hands at this point in time. ~Vsig.png 01:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Vapor would work for me too. -- Spiderzed█ 07:15, 21 June 2011 (BST)

Annabell/Ryleigh has agreed to let me handle this on her behalf.

First I'd like to clarify several things. Spiderzed by his own admission on the original Cobra forums is a temporary leader. And both he and his faction stated in March that if the previous leader (Sage) returned then he would step down. Sage has not returned, but the previous leader before him has and decided to take her group back. The whole killing Spiderzed had nothing to do with anything. It was just a for laughs thing. Ryleigh and I were both amused by the idea of a Cobra civil war, but quickly just decided to kill Sally and take the forum back.

Spiderzed is also grossing exaggerating what happened. Before becoming leader Ryleigh was named leader and had the Root Admin account and the founder User:Bullgod 's account and password in case she would need either during her run as leader. Spiderzed had neither. Which is how Ryleigh was able to reclaim the forums. No one was thrown out. They were just demoted to normal members. All of which were welcome to reapply. A good chunk got butthurt and deleted their accounts. Spiderzed included. Ryleigh has emailed Bullgod just to prove that the founder of the group gives his blessing for a former commander that he knows take the leadership from a temporary leader that I'm almost certain he's never met. If membership numbers are suddenly pertinent, I'm in talks with several PKers about joining our faction. But I'm fairly sure numbers are completely irrelevant in determining group leadership/ownership and therefore determining ownership of the wiki-page.

We reject all of his arbitrators and instead suggest the following:

In closing, I'm not exactly sure why this is even going to arbitration. But whatever. When it's all said and done it's just going to be another piece of evidence that Cobra isn't Spiderzed's nor was it ever his. -- Goribus 04:17, 21 June 2011 (BST)

I don't think suggesting personal friends as impartial arbitrators is going to work for this case, might take this into consideration. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 07:07, 21 June 2011 (BST)
I recognize Goribus as agent. - Oh, and while rejecting all arbitrators out of hand is an often used tactic on A/A, it works only if you don't want arbies to take off at all and are happy with the status quo. You, however, wish for change. Stagnation isn't your friend in this one. -- Spiderzed█ 07:15, 21 June 2011 (BST)
Close friends? Devil Ash and I barely know each other. Although we are on good terms. I don't think I've spoken to Karloth except maybe once in IRC. YOG as we both know is a neutral party. I wouldn't count him as a friend in this matter. Also I didn't reject all arbitrators. Just all of the ones you suggested as your list is as seemingly biased in your favor as you claim mine is in my favor. Karek? I'll consider. The others? No. Accept or reject my Arbitrators so we can either continue until we agree on an Arbitrator or to the next step please and thanks. -- Goribus 07:52, 21 June 2011 (BST)
pass. i would just like to remain neutral and not involved. i already tried to work this out internally and didn't get anywhere.--User:Sexualharrison14:08, 21 June 2011 (bst)
I have already decided that Karek is acceptable (and he wasn't on my original list, nor on yours). Shall we thus proceed with him? -- Spiderzed█ 18:40, 21 June 2011 (BST)
Yeah I'll accept Karek. -- Goribus 09:08, 22 June 2011 (BST)

I would attempt to arbitrate impartially, but I can see why Spiderzed wouldn't accept me (specifically, both Goribus and I are members of Red Rum). That said, I know nothing about the situation whatsoever and would need to read up on it all.--Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:13, 21 June 2011 (BST)

Just thought I'd throw my hat into the ring as well. I am uninvolved in the current situation but I have a equal conflict-of-interest in both parties (Gorbius as a fellow member of Red Rum and Spizerzed as a fellow sysop whom I have a lot of respected for) and so I feel that I have no overriding bias. Anyway, I'm here as a "third option".--The General T Sys U! P! F! 14:55, 21 June 2011 (BST)

I accept my nomination--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:17, 21 June 2011 (BST)

Motherfuckers accept me. I'm like the best Arbitatortot ever. I made Arby's the fast good joint it is today. --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 00:50, 22 June 2011 (BST)

Not getting enough attention at home? We're coming to get you, Barbara 01:22, 22 June 2011 (BST)

As agreed, Karek will arbitrate this. Let's cut to the meat, please. -- Spiderzed█ 21:46, 22 June 2011 (BST)


Arbitration!

So, first thing I want to make clear about this process. You've both chosen me. I arbitrate the wiki, not the group. As far as I am concerned this case will only be about the wiki page in question and what the solution will be to the disputed content. The dispute of who is a leader in Cobra is a drama you all will have to sort out yourselves.

I'm going to give you both a chance now, in light of that information, to make a short argument for why each of you thinks you have more right to the wiki page in question. Please remember to site sources for your arguments as I am obviously not a member of Cobra, either of them. Above all else I need a timeline of leadership events from both of you. Along with, if possible, an accounting of the events that caused the current dispute(including an idea of who is involved with either side for future reference) and an outline of what both of you would respectively like your new pages to look like. For the latter any visual representation of the page content(like a Sandbox page) would be preferable.

None of this is limiting but that is the minimum of what I'd like to see. If you feel something is relevant to the content of the page or possible page ownership by all means, add it.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 23:23, 22 June 2011 (BST)

Spiderzed

Put your stuff here

Goribus

Why our faction should be considered the true Cobra in regards to Urban Dead's Wikipedia.

Roster:

  • Annabell Leigh
  • Jim Lockwood
  • Doc Mindbender
  • Skoll
  • Your Own Guilt (neutral in the dispute, but has agreed to work with us)
  • Several other PKers have been approached about joining as well

Leadership Timeline:

  • Bullgod founds the group in July '08 under his character Beehive Head.
  • Bullgod officially retires from UD in July '09 passing admin and leadership to Sister Elissavet.
  • Due to drama/scandal Sister Elissavet steps down as leader passing leadership to Annabell Leigh December of '09
  • Annabell leaves the group partially due to not having time to play and partially because as she said at the time "I hate one of the new members" who turned out to be Spiderzed. She retires and passes leadership to Sage in May of '10. It was during this time that I idled my own character as apparently several other Cobras did as well. I'll be honest, Annabell is the only reason I stayed active in Cobra.
  • Sage goes missing. Spiderzed's friends nominate him as temporary leader under the provision that should Sage (or a former leader) return that he'll step down. March '11
During this time Cobra was more or less filled with Spiderzed's friends and older members were for the most part idled. Some of us came back and were appalled at how things were being ran.
  • Annabell decides to unretire and I come back with her. Together we put together a small but loyal contingent of Cobra members wanting a return to the old group and old leadership. Using the Root Admin account/Bullgod's personal account Annabell takes control of the forum and group. He had given her said account and password when she was the leader of Cobra. The temporary leader Spiderzed had gotten comfortable in his position and had refused to return the group. He was executed and booted out. Shortly there after is when Annabell seized the forums. June 16th 2011


I feel that we deserve to be recognized as the sole owners of Cobra as Annabell is a former leader appointed by a proper chain of command, and has had the blessing of the group's founder in the past. Spiderzed by his own admission and the admission of his underlings was a temporary leader made leader by his circle of friends. He then promptly ran the group into the ground from our perspective. The group was taken back and he was removed from it. As such he has no claims to the group or the wiki page for it. Being the sole editor of a page doesn't indicate ownership. It's common practice for groups to appoint a single member as the Wiki editor because it is a time consuming task and requires one to develop specialized skills. It doesn't indicate that one is a leader, nor does it indicate someone is the page's owner. It simply means that they were tasked with keeping the page up to date. Something that Annabell, myself, and/or Misanthropy are more than capable of doing ourselves.

As some of the information is in threads deemed sensitive in nature, if Karek would sign up to the forums he will be given temporary Cobra access so that he can see the linked threads. After which he will be bumped down to Diplomat. -- Goribus 02:09, 23 June 2011 (BST)

And for what we intend to do with the page? For starters we're going to do this or possibly this with the updated information found in the first link. Yeah, that's it. We're going to change information on the page to reflect the new roster, the new leader will be listed as The Commander (as agreed to by our faction), we'll probably be prettying it up a bit after but for now just the facts to represent our group. Annabell definate plans for the wikipage though. She just never was allowed to edit it long enough to get it there before Spiderzed's faction reverted it and the current Arbitration was made necessary.

The other stuff? We're probably going to rewrite everything to reflect the older pages. Annabell isn't the type of person who would copy pasta something Spiderzed typed up, so his guide can go on the page of whatever he renames his group to. We don't want it, and it's his so I see no reason why he can't have it. I believe that would be both fair and reasonable. We're here to put our twist on it as how we feel Cobra should be represented here on the wiki. After all, the wiki serves to advertise the group to potential new members as well as forum ads, or in game deeds do. -- Goribus 12:08, 23 June 2011 (BST)

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