UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Community Sysop Demotion

Discuss, ladies and Germs fans. --WanYao 21:34, 18 July 2009 (BST)

Power

The community needs it. I am all for stopping the current system that pretty much grants sysops status for life. It should be possible for the community to force a sysops to get re-evaluated through the A/Promotions system. --Thadeous Oakley 21:58, 18 July 2009 (BST)

Reasonable.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 22:26, 18 July 2009 (BST)

The way I see it the actual problem is the very idea that it is a promotion in the first place. It is not, it is a sign that other wiki users think you can be trusted not to abuse additional responsibilities that you have volunteered to take on. Rather than a system for "demotion" I think it would be better for all sysops to face automatic reviews on a schedule not too dissimilar to the Crat elections. --Honestmistake 22:27, 18 July 2009 (BST)

Maybe stagger it so that every six months all sysops who have served more than 6 months and aren't bureaucrats go through a reaffirmation of confidence? --Darth Sensitive ^W! 22:36, 18 July 2009 (BST)

The problem there might be that we need to vote yes/no on like 7 different sysops in one row.--Thadeous Oakley 22:53, 18 July 2009 (BST)

The idea of a regular sysop "review" has been shot down too many times before... This is something a little different: it's not an annual report, it's a procedure specifically for recalling/demoting sysops who have lost the trust of the community. Nothing more, nothing less. --WanYao 23:02, 18 July 2009 (BST)

When? If you are talking about mine I withdrew that on my own. It wasn't shot down at all.--– Nubis ^NWO 23:10, 18 July 2009 (BST)

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 23:38, 18 July 2009 (BST)

i ;iekes giviong peoples power bnut thi s smells funny to me. DUNNO why but i'll be sober dtommowew qnd reply the n . kthzbai -- Cheese 03:00, 19 July 2009 (BST) P

Voting

I hate voting. You can not make voting fair. If you say there are edit requirements before you can vote in a sysop demotion then that's unfair to new users and the requirements would have to be strict enough to matter. If you don't limit it in any way then you can get meat puppets. If you make it required to be justified then you get the risk of LOLZ DO NOT WANT or other shit. Even with the cooling off period (which I think more policies need) you can not make demotion a popular vote. --– Nubis ^NWO 23:10, 18 July 2009 (

I actually tend to agree with you as regards a straight vote. I am not against some pretty harsh voting requirements but at the end of the day I would prefer a method that left the final decision to the serving Crats, they already have final say on sysop promotions so its not really a stretch and should hopefully give unpopular sysops a court of appeal if they feel they are being ousted only because folks don't like the rules. --Honestmistake 00:21, 19 July 2009 (BST)

Oh and thanks for edit conflicting me to say much the same thing boxy.... bloody pest :( --Honestmistake 00:21, 19 July 2009 (BST)

A few voting requirements wouldn't hurt. Total time on the Wiki/minimum edits, something like that. I'm against leaving it up to the Crats.--

| T | BALLS! | 00:34 19 July 2009(BST)

Common sense, if we're trying to pry some of them out of office why would we let them have any say in how this policy is written and implemented --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 00:36, 19 July 2009 (BST)

It's up to Wan as to how this policy is written. If you want your own, go make one. I'd love to vote on what you two idiots come up with -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 00:43 19 July 2009 (BST)

I think what Wan has come up with so far is good --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 00:47, 19 July 2009 (BST)

So we're supposed to limit "discussion" to yes/no? Sounds more like voting. This must be an example of that vaunted "maturity" I keep hearing about. --

| T | BALLS! | 00:56 19 July 2009(BST)

Simple reevaluation

I support reevaluation rather than a poll (which is too easily abused), overviewed by the 'crats. The sysop should be allowed to choose their own timing, as long as it's within a certain timeframe. Current crats would be immune (because they've already been through a poll approving of them). There needs to be significant community disapproval before demotion. Plenty of sysops have already put themselves up for reevaluation successfully, showing that if you're doing the job the way the community wants it done, it's easy enough to get reapproved -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 00:19 19 July 2009 (BST)

No --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 00:25, 19 July 2009 (BST)

Brilliant counter! That was so informative and intelligent, I don't think any of us ever need to hear from you again!--SirArgo ^Talk 00:25, 19 July 2009 (BST)

Duelists --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 00:33, 19 July 2009 (BST)