Talk:West Boundwood/News Archive

Miscellaneous

Anything going on around here?? Little quiet..--Airborne88^T|ZC|MI|E! 02:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC) 04:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

regarding POV postings

Crabapple Estate representatives find difficulty in phrasing NPOV entries referring to POV entries by MAF, including the above. It is requested that MAF attempt to remove POV from ALL their entries, while the legal team will attempt to do the same with all Crabapple Estate postings regarding recent events. --Crabappleslegalteam 16:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Luigi, Lorisdontas is resposible for an awful lot of propaganda at the moment. The possibility of MAF/false flagged Pker collusion is being seriously investigated, and, given that murders include persons involved with the Crabapple estate, the I.U.S.S., and unaligned survivors, this is serious news for all. Your constant calls for censure, eerily similar to those of Carlo Chalmo in previous incidents reflecting badly on the I.U.S.S. or M@F, would, almost by accident (of course) remove concerns about your group which have every right to be considered and referred to on the news page. Stop abusing the system for your own ends! --Crabappleslegalteam 01:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Pking

We're not sure whe're going to bother with the rest of this discussion. We may just put a case here or elsewhere, after we've compiled it properly. New evidence every day! After that, we'll be happy if the whole lot is deleted, largely because it is confusing, after Lorisdontas's edits.--Crabappleslegalteam 01:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

JAjajaja, beat you to it. Thats exactly what I said in the post you are whining about. I didn't "edit out" but was moved to the bottom, no big deal. Confusing just because of me? Because of one edit? If anyone looks at that edit you will see that I said that exact same thing, way before you were ready to stop being a little bitch. This whole thing should be moved somewhere were it will be preserved, such as the negotation page. Confusing because of one edit is a joke, especially because I moved it back where it was before you even wrote your January 27th post.--Lorosidiotas 03:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Only 1 edit? We suspected more than that.... yes, well, we've already suggested moving it to the Talk:The Crabapples and MAF negotiations page, so we have. Anybody interested should go there --Crabappleslegalteam 02:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

New background

The old background from the page has been removed because it largely consists of a lengthy diatribe against conservatively religious upper middle classes. We propose a suitably neutral description replaces it, to fill that big empty gap left… sadly, on careful examination, there is very little that can be retained that holds no POV element! We invite anybody to make proposals/edits as neccesary, but they must be neutral in tone. If no-one objects, we will put the result on the page. If we can’t agree, then either the single line edited version will be put on, or none at all… Crabappleslegalteam 02:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel that it is necessary for the Background information to be neutral as it has no effect whatsoever on the game, however if you can write a better one I will not object. Kripcat - ^I.U.S.S 23:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The moderators removed it. It appears to be an original pre-set suburb description to those who underestimate how much of the wiki is contributed by players. This description is so loaded with bile it hurts even our stomachs. Core pages in the game are not meant to be platforms for the views of the players. We never considered it until we tried to remove NPOV elements, but it really is largely a relentless tirade. Our description resultingly won't be thrilling, but hopefully it should be legal -- Crabappleslegalteam 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Original version

Prior to the outbreak West Boundwood consisted primarily of upper-middle class "nuclear" families. To the casual observer it was a quaint friendly place, where one could spend half an hour engaging in conversation with a total stranger. However beneath a skin of firm handshakes and wide smiles, moral hypocrisy and religious fanaticism lay.

The vast majority of the West Boundwood populus was fanatically Christian and this was self perpetuating. Many abortion clinks which had attempted to settle in West Boundwood quickly found themselves on the receiving end of death threats and pipe bombs. Homosexuals were openly despised and abused for their sexual preference and an unofficial segregation existed thanks to roaming gangs of 'charming young gentlemen' of whom the police knew 'nothing'. This was reflected in an absurd number of Churches being built in West Boundwood considering the size of the population, and also resulted in a complete absence of Necro Tech Buildings as Necro Tech deemed the suburb 'inappropriate for our facilities given its history of violence against institutions of our nature and its relatively small population of appropriately educated individuals'.

When the plague began, the majority of the population put it down to divine intervention and remained in Malton, safe in their conviction that the Lord would not harm such devout subjects. When the zombies eventual reached West Boundwood and killings began, many fled into East Boundwood and Bale Mall leaving the suburb rather deserted except for small pockets of zombies roaming the streets picking off any lone survivors who remained behind.

What is left after POV elements are removed:

Prior to the outbreak West Boundwood consisted primarily of upper-middle class families

When the zombies eventual reached West Boundwood and killings began, many fled into East Boundwood and Bale Mall

Proposed new version retaining about as much of the old version as can be done without including POV elements, but retaining some consistency:

Prior to the outbreak West Boundwood consisted primarily of upper-middle class families. A blend of old and new money, the affluence of the area assured good service and leisure facilities.

A strong religious element in the population was reflected in a large number of Churches being built in West Boundwood, and also resulted in an absence of NecroTech Buildings as a result of idealogical conflict between local religious groups and Necrotech.

An impressive number of clubs catered to the rich, famous and extravagant, and even more numerous than the Churches or clubs were the various museums. Between these two elements, West Boundwood as a suburb was an attraction to local socialites and tourists alike.

When the plague began, many of the population fled into East Boundwood and Bale Mall, leaving much of the suburb largely deserted.

Suggestions? Protestations? Rejections?

I would change strong christian to a strong religious movement. I figure admins may object to having a specific religious group. Not that I'm against it just it would be best not to give a point of view as far as a specific religion. Fireplay259

Seems fair enough! We've change it. Cheers --Crabappleslegalteam 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC) I have no objections. Good background. Kripcat - ^I.U.S.S 10:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Praise! Oh, you're too kind.... you know, its just a little something we threw together... Any more contributions, from anyone? If not, we'll put it on on Thursday--Crabappleslegalteam 16:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

OK! On it goes.... thanks to Kripcat and Fireplay for their contributions!--Crabappleslegalteam 01:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit War

This Edit War had gone far enough. I have fixed the barricade plan so that it no longer places your HQ in VS building, whoever changed it did not have the authority of the group to do so. I apologize for any injuries or deaths it may have caused. That changed your message above the plan is no longer relevant and as such I have removed it. Secondly I have removed the warnings under your message which is above our law. They are not necessary, your message has a right to be there, the right to Free Speech being one of our laws. However I have alerted your message to correct certain factual inaccuracies, the I.U.S.S is not a "totalitarian regime" no matter how often you might say it. Hopefully this will provide a compromise and end this toing and froing. Kripcat - ^I.U.S.S 07:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Its been returned to EH+2 hasn't it? Anyway, that is correct. You may believe that the I.U.S.S. would not install a totalitarian regime, but regardless of that the initial statements simply determines that the Crabapples and their associates will not accept a totalitarian regime in general. That they suspect that the I.U.S.S. are trying to install one is implied by association of location only, and indeed that is exactly what the draconian 'rules for all', installed by the I.U.S.S. appeared to be (rules they have no right to install, given the presence of many groups including and beyond those referred to). And talking of free speech, the Crabapple family messages were deleted by Fireplay - obviously as a move to censure opposition. The rules about propaganda also imply a desire to control whats said in the suburb, and represent more censure. Also, we've already deleted definitions of the Pearl Arms as walk in revive point, more inaccurate efforts to destabilize the estate. And, as a general point, the many actions by the I.U.S.S. and especially the MAF against the Crabapple Estate and others result in it being unlikely that their rule will be accepted any time soon by them, if ever.

Anyway, with the removal of the laws from the page, theres really no need to argue further, and we'll return the statement to its place in the 'news' section, where it will slowly disappear. We appreciate the quick resolution to this! Thankfully it wasn't much of an edit war.... more of a brief edit squabble, really!

Cheers,

Crabappleslegalteam 14:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

POV

I suggest you both find a way to make the suburb page NPOV. POV has no place on those pages. -Certified=Insane^☭ 17:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, well, well, Certified=insane jumps in when the latest phase in communist control of the West Boundwood page is resisted! What a surprise… anyway, we’d be surprised if you can find POV elements in our own entries, although there are a tonne in fireplays whole additions….on the other hand, the following elements we agree should be immediately removed (at least for the moment) because they are directed warnings (although ours, of course, we think aren't in violation of wiki rules):

Under West Boundwood Guidelines:

(any more attempts to continue to remove the above statement will be viewed as vandalism and moved for arbitration, as per the propaganda efforts of the MAF)--Crabappleslegalteam 13:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

(Any attemps to change or remove the statments made by IUSS will be thought of as vandalism and removed for arbitration)Beat you at your own game legalteam - Fireplay259

Under barricade plan

(any more attempts to continue to remove the above statement will be viewed as vandalism and moved for arbitration, as per the propaganda efforts of the MAF)--Crabappleslegalteam 13:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Anything else, and we’re pushing for arbitration or vandalism bans. We don’t want an escalation from the MAF/I.U.S.S. axis propaganda machine as occurred with Elias Taylor.

A debate is invited

Fireplay, our last edit is a clarification – move for anything you want, since we are in the right, and you are guilty of a whole slew of dodgy edits, not limited to these recent ones….we can argue until the cows come home about your wiki page take over efforts either here, the negotiation discussion page, or, if we aren’t likely to get anywhere on our own, the arbitration page

Just for starters, we want the removal of

“are the only well known groups in the suburb and”

since it is, on a cursory glance, the most obvious blatant lie currently besmirching the West Boundwood page

and

Any opinion from a group that does not permanently reside in the suburb should be disregarded from any guideline and to ignore any responses. RESIGNED Fireplay259

because it infers the Crabapples weren't represented in West Boundwood, which they were and are. Ironic, perhaps, given that most of the I.U.S.S. spend half their time mooching around the mall outside West Boundwood :-)

Incidentally, originally this item was unsigned. Of course, if you've resigned, then we may as well delete all your propaganda anyway! :-))

Crabappleslegalteam 2:19, 23 November 2006 (GMT)

Urgh, I can't stand you people... everything is so chaotic, can't see what's new, what's old, who wrote what and when... Urgh... -Certified=Insane^☭ 17:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

If you don't like chaos, don't go performing heavy handed deletions of discussion pages! Oh, certified=insane.... and we thought... you know... you had a secret crush.... even though we're not ... you know ... a bunch of humourless Stalinists like most of your chums.... oh, we're so upset ;-) Crabappleslegalteam 20:34, 24 November 2006 (GMT)

The discussions themselves are so chaotic! Can't tell what everyone is responding to when ya read it, nor who wrote what. Anyhow, it seems Kipcat is making some concessions, so I'll leave these pages be for now. If another edit war starts, I'll take appropriate actions... -Certified=Insane^☭ 21:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, there really wasn't much discussion... and we're so sorry we offended your delicate aesthetic taste regarding our hasty arrangements of the desired changes! By appropriate action we assume you mean sticking your heavily biased oar in, as usual.... well, we only act when IUSS/MAF propaganda reaches melting point, so we'll doubtless have to put up with you again. Oh, why lie, Certified=insane? You're only doing it so you can be close to us.... Crabappleslegalteam 1:24, 25 November 2006 (GMT)

Moved news items/comments

Is this kind of format sustainable? Combining corrected updates of news, for example, can draw accusations of vandalism, especially if the 2 are contradictory (which the 27th entries more or less are) or from conflicting groups (which may happen). Also, in areas where multiple groups operate, its probably good to have them signed - there have been disputes before --Crabappleslegalteam 17:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

December

December 1st A small walk near Ivyleafe PD revealed the following: 6 zeds are attacking Bessant Auto repair, which is now with the doors opened. Counting every zed near Nikolai General (which barricades are up to EB), their number increases to 18, with the largest group near Theodore General (7 zeds). None of the building in the area is powered, except for a factory in north Shuttlebank. Unfortunately survivor count is unknown. --Arluc 1100 (GMT)

November

November 27th I checked Bale Mall. At least 3 zed per block outside the mall and in nearby blocks, zed count inside the mall still unknown. If the main Shacknews horde has started moving toward Calvert, it's not coming through West Boundwood, at least for the moment. --Arluc 0830 (GMT)

Shacknews seem to be attacking Stickling Mall in Shearbank. Nonetheless, West Boundwood still seems to be heavily infested with zombies, with many buildings being repeatedly invaded around the centre of the map, including Crabapple manor again (The Pearl Arms). It is possible that West Boundwood is the target for substantial numbers of stragglers.--Harald von Holzapfel 13:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

November 26th Last night a zed incursion destroyed the Bromwich Cinema, killing at least 7 survivors. This event raise a few questions: why did they attacked such irrelevant location? I gave myself two possible answers: first, a careless survivor attacked some zombie, who diligently followed the scent, reaching the safehouse and bringing friends. But the second possibility is much worse: Shacknews has destroyed Bale Mall, and its now heading straight for Calvert Mall throat, destroying everything in its path. I have no proof of this as now, but I'll scout the area, trying to find out something. Last thing: Neot General is in the same, disgraceful, situation of Nikolai General Hospital. None of the suburb hospital is now in firm survivor control, which leaves us with very few medical supplies. --Arluc 1630 (GMT)

November 24th

For the survivors of West Boundwood, I've scouted a little near Bromwich Cinema. Anastasius G. H. (in East Boundwood) it's resulting powered but inside there are no survivors and 3 zombies, so be careful if you want to go here. Another trip to St Columba's Hospital has revealed that the building has been smashed and ransacked and with no survivors inside. There were four zombies waiting for preys. So, if you came across this building, avoid it. --Kei Leonheart 08.30 (GMT)

-update: I just checked Nikolai General. It's unpowered and has half a dozen zeds knocking at its doors, but the worse thing is the inside: empty. No survivors at all. Also Ivyleafe PD is unpowered and under attack, but I don't know how many defenders are inside. Now two of our three hospitals are nonoperational, which leaves only Neot General, whose situation is unknown at the moment. --Arluc 1100 (GMT)

November 23rd Sorry for my long absence, but a disgraceful event known as death blocked me at Dangliesh Monument, waiting for a revive, which arrived yesterday evening (Thanks Van Vader). The situation in West Boundwood is not the worse I've seen so far, but the lack of Necrotech Buildings in the suburb, and also the fall of Bale Mall caused a revivification syringe shortage; resulting in much longer waits at the three revive points in the area. This is the zed report for SE West Boundwood: 1 flak-jacketed zombie at the Longman Monument, 4 at St Columba and 2 more in the nearby blocks. The cemetery at [38;7] has 9 zombies awaiting a revive, if you can, help them. As a side note, I have to say that zed activity near Shuttlebank northern border is increasing, with a handful of zombies near Lock Boulevard PD. --Arluc 1400 (GMT)

-update: a radio message broadcasted on 28.00 Mhz stated the following: "Madlatvian is a Gker and a Pker." The same thing is said in this pages: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Tompson_Mall http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/DHPD/Most_Wanted http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Shotguns_At_Dawn

November 14th Another day, another report for the citizens of West Boundwood. I checked again Dorothey Plaza and Neot General: the hospital is EHB, powered and inhabited, while the PD is EHB, inhabited and with 8 zeds knocking at its doors; 3 more zeds in the nearby blocks (Every building, club hannam ad st andrew each have a single zed) and 2 at the Pearl Arms. I placed a pair of bullets in their undead necks, but some of them are wearing a flak-jacket. The zed presence in south-east WB is limited: 1 in St Wulfstan's church, 2 at the Longman monument and the last one in caffin street. Some tags inside St Columba's General Hospital states the area between Calvert Mall and the hospital itself as "full of zeds"... I'll investigate that tomorrow.--Arluc 2240 (GMT)

update: I scouted the area between St. Columba and Ivyleafe PD finding only a handful of zeds, the larger group (which is three) sitting in front of the PD. I attacked bringing on them down to 30 hp. The buildings in the area are all barricaded from VS to EH, but with very few survivors inside.

Previous discusion, AKA October 30^th

Why are the Crabapples putting POV stuff in the West Boundwood article? If the link led to something other than a blank page then this POV stuff might be substantiated and therefore legitimate; as it stands now it is merely POV slandering of the M(A)F. Please remove this and in the future try to maintain the standards of this wiki. West Boundwood has an image to maintain and doesn't need this kind of childish unbased slander particularly with the Bash on our door step. The wiki standards are clear that this is meant to be an encyclopedic entry, and this rumour is clearly POV. Those of us who are neither M(A)F nor Crabapples, such as myself, understand that the Crabapples do not like the M(A)F, yeah, we get it, keep it to yourself and abide by the rules of the wiki.Carlo Chaimo 04:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for that - we wanted to warn people regarding disinformative links, which we expecting to appear from Elias. It was a rush entry, hence POV elements. The information on the page was presumably deleted swiftly following the link, so subsequently it was blank. What with Elias's and our own efforts against each other, the whole situation has got out of hand, and we've been told to go to arbitration. Elias, please come to arbitration. Apologies to all. We suspect the entry will probably be amended or deleted, or moved here.

Carlo, having just noticed from your entries [that used to be] below that you are a member of the I.U.S.S. (assuming that is still true), allies of the MAF, we suspect your lack of interest is overexagerated.--Crabappleslegalteam 12:47, 3 November 2006 (GMT)

"we suspect your lack of interest is overexagerated" Are you trying to implicate me in something? What does that even mean? Of course I don't "lack interest" or else I wouldn't have brought up your breaking rules in the first place. Are you trying to imply that I am not trustworthy to some extent? I'll have you know that I have never even PK'ed in retaliation, I am a mature adult and I don't deal in nonsense. You are the ones putting up POV stuff in the encyclopedic article. Stop putting POV stuff in, end of story. It is good that you admitted that you broke the rules by posting POV, but please do not add unneeded groundless aspersions against my character. You have had zero contact with my character as far as I know, and if you have I guarantee that it was neutral to positive (unless you were a zombie).Carlo Chaimo 04:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

We can tell you must be fun at parties... anyway, as mentioned, it is not a POV posting, but contains POV elements, which, following the arbitration, we hope to edit out. Why are we even arguing? Arbitration (or our discussion with the moderators as it is, since Elias never showed up) should end soon. Rant away, as a member of the I.U.S.S., your attempts to represent your protests against this article as being from an unbiased POV are somewhat unconvincing.--Crabappleslegalteam 01:01, 7 November 2006 (GMT)

"We can tell you must be fun at parties..." Man, that's real mature. I've never done anything to you or anyone in your group, and you make fun of me? I've been nothing but respectful to and cordial with you guys, it is a shame that you are not capable of the same courtesy.Carlo Chaimo 21:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

"childish unbased slander" "keep it to yourself" "respectful to and cordial with you guys"

*ahem*. Oh, we really should stop.... tell you what - if you feel like being all self-righteous, how about jumping down the throat of the I.U.S.S. for childishly defining Crabapple manor (the Pearl Arms) as an eternally open revive point (for the good of the Proletariat -ahem- not a political move at all) before we deleted entries on the resource building guide and West Boundwood Services guide (which surely shouldn't be abused in such a fashion, being presumably meant to refer to the genuine state of affairs, rather than the preferred state of affairs by a bunch of power hungry commies)? Makes a terribly terribly POV posting in the news section seem like nothing, surely? How immature of the I.U.S.S.! You must be feeling quite indignant.... Oh - you don't seem to care much about any of that - we wonder why....Crabappleslegalteam 01:03, 16 November 2006 (GMT)

Something I noticed...

A line looked fishy, so I looked up the historic to see it's origins...

Is this wanted... -Certified=Insane^☭ 00:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Something we noticed

Certified=insane is a moderator and member of the Urban Gorillas, a socialist group (or anarchist) affiliated (or at least VERY VERY friendly) to the MAF and IUSS. As a result, we suspect that the removal of large chunks of this discussion page by him in 'moderator' mode was done to remove the more embarrassing discussions involving members of his chums the I.U.S.S. and/or MAF, and that the above entry is simply a lame attempt to delay or avoid the topic of returning such embarrassments from webpages that may be viewed...

Feel like finally returning the entire original content of this page, Certified=insane? Especially given that it was removed as a part of an arbitration you were requested not to arbitrate in? Given your... allegiances?

Crabappleslegalteam 01:21, 23 November 2006

Dude, I'm not a moderator, I didn't use any moderator powers. If you had some knowledge about using the wiki, you'd check the history tab atthe top of the page and search for a version prior to the removal, then you'd copy the wiki-code of it and paste it bellow in this page. I just saw, and still see, that page as useless chatter and a shame to both of you. If you want it back, get it yourself, I don't feel like it. And I didn't do any arbitrator duty. And please, if you want to talk to me, do so on my talk page, this ain't the place for it. Oh, and as I said, unless the IUSS wants it back (Or the MAF), I'm not searching though pages of history just to please you. -Certified=Insane^☭ 01:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll remove this in two days, it's not in an appropriate place. If you wish to archive it, do so on your own user page/talk page. -Certified=Insane^☭ 22:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You aren’t a moderator?!? Well, you throw your weight around as if you were…. we only just noticed it’s not necessary to be a moderator to be an arbitrator… aha! Your statement by the way, is, as isn’t unusual for you (or the MAF… or the I.U.S.S.) misleading: You involved yourself with the arbitration even though you were requested not to…. anyway, we have other business (as you know), so in the meantime we’ll just return the content you removed, and put the new point at the top. If you’re not a moderator, stop faffing around with pages as if the wiki were your personal domain! We can argue on your user pages at some leisurely point in the future… as it is, we have new business to attend to.

Feel free to delete these entries in a few days, if you want. Assuming you're referring to everything from the haughty 'something I noticed' section up to this bit! Anything else, and you're just having a larf, as usual.... negotiation? Discussion? Refutation? Arbitration? :-)

Crabappleslegalteam 02:18, 24 November 2006

.... or are referring to the original amendment on the barricade plan, which we aren't going to argue about.... not strictly POV, again except by inference, definitely non-Encyclopeadic and very very naughty! Apparently it wasn't expected to survive long, anyway - the fact it sat there for about 2 months implies that references to Stalinist enfocement didn't seem out of place to the I.U.S.S. at all! Interesting! Anyway, its gone now.Crabappleslegalteam 15:01, 24 November 2006

It's a fucking wiki, for god's sake. It's expected that all users act to make it work more smoothly, you hardly need to be a sysop to do anything I do. And sure, I'll remove the "something I noticed" I did, since indeed it ain't appropriate here, it was intended for the I.U.S.S. only. Yes, I did involve myself in the arbitration, so? As requested, I didn't serve as an arbitrator (I wouldn't have even if you'd ask). Mods can't be expected to handle every edit wars on the wiki. If anyone doesn't like what I did, well they can take it to the appropriate place. As I said, I'm removing this tommorow, if ya want to continue this, you are more than welcomes to post in my talk page, and we'll see what I decide to do of it then. -Certified=Insane^☭ 17:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Very noble of you to put so much effort to benefit the wiki (ahem)... you're inviting us to your place for a chat? Oh, Certified=insane, you are a tease.....Crabappleslegalteam 1:28, 25 November 2006

More old bits, previously deleted by Certified=Insane

October 17^th

There is a lot of slander in the things said below, but it is funny that the author of the slander did not sign their quotes. For example, there are no links between M(A)F and zombies. That link to our messageboard is entirely skewed by someone to make it seem that way, but in reality, M(A)F is survivor only and does not collude with zombies. A player having more than one character near each other is called zerging, and I do not know of any M(A)F collective that does not oppose zerging. There also is no graffiti that links M(A)F and IUSS with the zombies. If there has been any linking either group with zombies, it is slander and lies. Further, the M(A)F are not known PKers. They have retaliated against reactionaries that attacked and provoked them first. The duty of the M(A)C and other M(A)F collectives that M(A)C works closely with is generally agreed to defend, protect, barricade, heal, revive, educate, and coalition-build. Please stop slandering us, and for once be willing to sign your name. --Luigi Galleani ^{M(A)C | M(A)F} 22:34, 17 October 2006 (BST)

The author of most of this page is a keen wager of the information war, the persons reposnable useswords to make the noble intentions of egalitarians appear to be the RED TERROR that gripped the US in the 1920's and 30's. Alot of lies and propaganda, If Crabapple doesn't want to fight, then lets have peace. Somehow I think we will just keep hearing alot of fidgiting from his camp as they continue their campaign of misinformation, slander, and half-truths.

West Boundwoodc is really very safe for everyone, unless a zombie gets you. I you are a survivor, then you WILL NOT BE TARGETED by our organization unless you have commited crimes such as classism, property, denying shelter to some survivors, etc. Although the war of words is ongoing, bullets are not flying through the burb --Lorosidiotas--

October 14^th

Hey! It looks like the paranoid hype is true for once! Found this link from the suckers to http://maltonaf.proboards83.com/index.cgi?board=ud&action=display&thread=1156200561 Seems the MAF actually are getting all cuddly with the undead! Don't know about the IUSS, mind. Still, nice to see a bit of treachery to humanity.... keep it up, MFers!!! Sorry, MAFers!!!

---If you make up lies about our group you will be reported! Stop being infantile and please play the game like a mature adult, the I.U.S.S. does not PK, end of story.Carlo Chaimo 02:16, 15 October 2006 (BST)

---eh? What are you talking about? Have you read what I wrote? I was talking about MAF!!! I said nothing about the IUSS - well, OK, I amended the other message about them, but lets not get picky - and that was just suspicions, so no lies - so - what lies have I written, exactly? READ THE MAF BOARD unless theyve censored it, of course.... I've done nuthin except expose the TRUTH!!! Unless it's suddenly restricted, the board messages will speak for themselves... and all this was said not long before the zombies turned up,as well! If you are not suspicious of this group, well, I dont see any point in listening to you!!! Anyway, who said I was being negative about humans getting zombies in to eat their enemies? What ever makes you guys happy.....

---Well, most of the above is unreadable because of the butchering of English grammar. That said, I see that the poster has clarified that they are aware that the I.U.S.S. does not undertake indiscriminate PK'ing, so I personally will drop it as long as the language continues along this line.Carlo Chaimo 17:33, 15 October 2006 (BST)

October 12^th

Graffitti indicates a possible link between the MAF and I.U.S.S. and the recent zombie incursions. Examination of Communist Propaganda methods, or, on a more populist level, plot lines of the recent Star Wars prequels perhaps indicate likely tactics? Are the I.U.S.S. PKing characters who disagree with "the revolution" via zombie allies? Is it reds in the beds with the deads? Watch your backs, people. Plus, of course, the MAF are known PK'ers....

---The I.U.S.S. does not condone indiscriminate PK'ing, and we are currently thinking about banning altogether nearly all PK'ing in the group (if it was just me there would be no PK'ing for any reason at all). In any case, the point is that we will never PK for any reason other than to retaliate, and some of us (myself included) refuse even to PK in retaliation. Any I.U.S.S. members who transgress without provocation will be disciplined.Carlo Chaimo 02:11, 15 October 2006 (BST)

---thinking of banning *nearly* all PKing in the group?!? Didnt you say in the other update that *the I.U.S.S. does not PK, end of story.* Get yer story straight, at least! Oh, whats that I see underneath you? Is that a nice big hole? And you with a spade, digging it? I wasnt even talking about you!!! So - there are KNOWN PKERS IN THE IUSS THEN? The main groups in this neighbourhood are just great - seems like they are split between probably zombie loving PKers and probably not zombie loving PKers! This gets better and better! You almost make me want to vote republican next time! (At least in West Boundwood) Well, come on the revolution! I feel safe with you lot!!!

---Anyone who is not either an entire newb or merely a worthless troll knows that there are two kinds of PK'ing in UrbanDead, and that while one is always frowned upon (indiscriminate PK'ing), the other is only frowned upon by pacifists such as myself (retaliatory PK'ing). Historically, like ALMOST all other groups in UrbanDead, the I.U.S.S. has condoned retaliatory PK'ing (if you kill one of ours we kill one of yours). There is nothing odd in this, very few survivor based Urban Dead groups frown upon retaliatory PK'ing. However, right now we are debating even doing away with this. The reason I use the word 'nearly' is that as with all laws, people have generally found it prudent to allow for exceptions. For instance, the Biblical commandment pronounces 'thou shalt not kill' meaning NEVER, and yet further Biblical laws allow exceptions. Do you get it now troll? And if your ignorance comes from being a newb, then please get up to speed on the etiquette of UrbanDead before you judge people.Carlo Chaimo 17:25, 15 October 2006 (BST)

--- I knew logging on was a bad idea after a nights heavy drinking... still, name calling! I wasn't even bothered about your PKing - I just thought it was funny that you contradicted yourself in 2 messages on the same board posted over 2 days, or whatever. And you call me a troll! Really, though, I don't know why the IUSS have got so bothered about it when I made it fairly clear that I particularly thought MAF were most likely to be up to zombie activity, looking at their discussion forum - and are remaining suspiciously quiet about everything. Anyway, I've been censored, and with at least fair reason regarding my last 2 contributions (alcohol is evil!), although I suppose I could have been more subtle in general..... anyway, I'll leave it up to you to control the media in West Boundwood, which you clearly want to do.

---There was PKing in the I.U.S.S. I will admit that, however it was only done to punish the few who PKed, players and I.U.S.S. members, and violated a few of the little guidelines we have set up, and we are currently setting up new guidelines.If someone who was PKing in West Boundwood do you honestly think that we could arrest them or punish them somehow. The only way to punish someone is to PK them. In one case Ivana Tinkle who was a member of the Crabbapple clan PKed serveral I.U.S.S. members and violated our laws by using Radio Revolution, and we had a discussion on if we should kill him and it was approved, you may not have heard but these are the honest facts. We tried to ask a public opinion but no one wanted to get involved. So we punished him, we would have let Ivana Tinkle go the first time, but two times is two times too many. So we only used to PK because they violated several laws more than once. If you have a problem with this you can join our forum, http://www.beaverandsteve.com/iuss/index.php and speak with other I.U.S.S. members. We are also setting up new laws to prevent things like this happening again. We would like public players to join to discuss what our laws should be remember laws are not made to harm others, there made to protect others.Fireplay259 13:03, 15 October 2006 (EST)

October 09^th

The Southern half of West Boundwood is back under survivor control. All buildings are barricaded, and breakins are rare, although they do happen. The I.U.S.S. is active as are the Badmen. The locals are able to heal visiting survivors who may be passing through, although keeping up with revives has proved problematic.

As well, Segments of the M@F, principally the Black Bloc have been cooperating with the IUSS to improve conditions for survivors including barricading, mediacal services, and a fledgling revive system. on the subject of PKing, The Black Bloc only targets that have espoused threats, We have PK'ed none. And to the crabapples, you should take our offer to negotiate. lorosidiotas

Pk-ing has started again and survivors are at risk of being killed by either local groups or the zombies. Take care.

---The I.U.S.S. does not condone indiscriminate PK'ing, and we are currently thinking about banning nearly all PK'ing in the group (if it was just me there would be no PK'ing for any reason at all). In any case, the point is that we will never PK for any reason other than to retaliate, and some of us (myself included) refuse even to PK in retaliation. Any I.U.S.S. members who transgress without provocation will be disciplined. By the reference to Star Wars I can tell that the above message is from the IWM, so I just want to say quit being jerks and spreading untrue rumours. It is rude, given that you do not have a presence in our neighborhood and are just targeting us for ideological reasons. The proper authorities will be contacted should this continue, as I intend to handle this in a mature manner.Carlo Chaimo 02:03, 15 October 2006 (BST)

Moved

This was not moved by the IUSS, it was done by the moderators because of the crap that was being posted in the wrong places. And please sign all of your comments. -Certified=Insane^☭ 20:57, 16 October 2006 (BST)