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NPOV - ARCHIVED DISCUSSION IN CASE ANY MEMBER OF THE LARGEST GROUP IN URBAN DEAD DECIDES THEY NEED TO TAG EVERY PAGE WITH A "THE DEAD" CATEGORY. END NPOV

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Can someone please explain to as to why you have a category for your group on various suburb pages and countless locations? Group categories should not be in those places.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:10, 3 April 2008 (BST)

I think this was brought up before. I speak with no authority but you can prolly remove them if there is no precedent for them to be there.... Ezekiel UK 11:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)

I'll remove them, since there is already precedent for them to not be there. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:59, 3 April 2008 (BST)

that "Precedent" is from Jan of 2008. As of MAY (I beleive) 2006 It was determined to be ok. I'll take the older precedent thank you. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 21:13, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Man, what? You never use the older precedent. Otherwise we'd still have slaves and stupid shit. You are losing it and that has to be the weakest most pathetic "argument" ever. As a mod you should be in favor of uncluttering the pages. You are letting your connection to this (dead) group get in the way of, well, logic and sanity at this point. I seriously can't believe you actually tried to use that lame ass "I prefer the older precedent" bullshit argument. You might not realize this (and you certainly don't follow it) but you can't pick and choose which rules you listen to and which ones you don't. It was changed in Jan. 08 and that's the way it is.--DCC 02:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)

That is a perfectly valid precedent. Regardless, there doesn't need to be one, it's bias and a POV to have a category on countless locations and suburbs, it's like claiming ownership. An arbitration case or any other precedent just makes it worse. One group can't claim ownership over a suburb or location while others cannot. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:02, 3 April 2008 (BST)

No one is claiming ownership and more than one group can be on a suburb's category page... our having the group there... it is for convenience and informational purposes... The DHPD provides services in that suburb and people may need access while they are there... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 01:53, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I for one do not want 30 categories on every location and suburb. Someone can very easily find the group listings on the sidebar that is present on every suburb page. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:42, 4 April 2008 (BST)

This is a good point. Even a few of the less groupthink DHPD members seem to agree with you on this one. Nevertheless if Conndraka's precedent stands I'll go ahead and make Category:The_Dead for the 80 or so suburbs we're providing valuable devivification services for combat-revived zombies in. Cheers. --Riseabove 05:37, 4 April 2008 (BST)

If it really is for "convenience and informational purposes" then why not make a sub page under DHPD that lists all of those individual locations since having them all linked from ONE location is more "convenient and informational"?

And seriously elaborate on "The DHPD provides services in that suburb" unless that service is clogging the street with your corpses. --DCC 02:22, 4 April 2008 (BST)

And all trolling aside, how in the hell can you justify putting your little category tags all over places that aren't even in Dunell Hills?

I Just revived 3 people in the 'burb. That seems like a service to me. I could be wrong. Knowing you I am. Cisisero 02:33, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Well, when you have 15 characters it isn't that big of a deal to revive 3 people.--DCC 03:02, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Its ironic because I wish I did have 15 chars for every person in the DHPD, then we would have the same numbers as the Dead. To bad we aren't as willing to cheat. -- Cisisero 03:12, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Hey desk sgts., what's happening these days? Oh, right. --Laughing Man 04:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Cisisero, you might be new to DHPD, but back in Nov. SA drove them out of DH (and the DMZ) with only a handful of PKers. (Project:TIME anyone?) Do I need to pull up all of our warrants on your pages to remind you? So, don't think that it was only when we got a 1500+ horde that we stomped you. We kicked you guys out way before The Dead. --DCC 03:47, 4 April 2008 (BST)

The DHPD category spam on location pages has irked me ever since I started working on locations. Enough already, you guys abused the system, so they all should go. I mean look at this page... it's a redirect for gods sake, and it's got all the following categories... "Hospitals | DHPD | Dunell Hills | Dunell Hills Military Zone | Dunell Hills Police Department" -- boxy ^{talk • i} 03:15 4 April 2008 (BST)

I agree boxy, that is excessive... Someone messed up there, we're only human... however, the six suburbs we patrol... PV, DH, OB, CH, WB, and MB... comprise the DMZ... i believe that that category should be up... for people to know where services can be sought and what is the nature of the area... (EDIT->) I may add to that by stating the blatant fact that all of this was not even an issue until these horrible people started yelling about it in order to upset us as part of a three pronged strategy to make us disband and hang our heads in shame for their own sick ends... you really wish to be their pawns? --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 03:26, 4 April 2008 (BST)

If you agree, then go and empty out the unnecessary categories of location pages, just leaving the DMZ category. And redirects shouldn't have any categories on them at all, only the pages they redirect to. Yes, they're prigs, however sometimes they are right, and sometimes you are... this time they are -- boxy ^{talk • i} 03:54 4 April 2008 (BST)

"people to know what services can be sought"? Unless you are ofering back alley abortions or cheap blow jobs again there are no "services" that you guys can contribute beyond what the building itself can (which depends on its' condition). Until trading is implemented the only thing that DHPD can do for people that are in the "DMZ" are flailing gestures and talk about GANGBANG GRAMMAZ. Instead of tagging and labeling everything like a greedy little kid with MINE! why not write informative articles on the buildings' pages? Most of those pages that are linked with all that crap don't even have anything useful on them other than that. I wrote the commentary for a lot of the locations in Dunell Hills. What the hell did you guys ever contribute other than "marking your territory"? --DCC 03:43, 4 April 2008 (BST)

As boxy, i was never found of having burbs and locations linked to DHPD categories. It's a nice thing that someone finally asked for its removal, or the apathy most users not linked to the DHPD have for that region would just kept it as is. Like DCC pointed out above, you should always use the new precedence. And DCC, less trolling and your words might have some more value, as did your comment above. As for marthy, your group can edit the suburb page to have a This burb is part of the DMZ, but you shouldnt categorize them as such. Only remember to keep the message NPOV --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:53, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I can't believe this... you're using each other to get your ends met without even giving me a chance to argue our case... I'm flabbergasted... but don't be surprised when SA takes over the whole wiki... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 04:00, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Marty, I honestly don't know what you're talking about, this has been brought up at least two or three times in the last year alone, and before the Dead joined the game at that. I should know as I was involved in at least one of those incidences. Not to mention that you don't even need the categories, DMZ meets the any purpose categorizing them would and all it takes is a neutral mention of this in the suburb descriptions of those suburbs as it is something worth noting to some degree. Really I don't even need to make that concesion though, the RRF has been around just as long with a dedicated homeland, so have the Eastonwood Ferals and neither of their groups have anything, or would be allowed anything, like this, if Greater Ridleybank(and it's considered the zombie homeland my most all zombies/groups) is fine for the RRF DMZ is fine for the DHPD.--Karek^maps?! 05:14, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Please note that this is not the DHPD's wiki. I've removed the category spam from as many of the relevant locations as I could find, in the future it might be in everyone's interest if you would contain your group's self-declared zones etc to a list within your own page. I've also noted recruitment posters plastered over numerous location pages; the wiki does not serve as your group's private recruitment tool and these will be removed in the future as and when I can bring myself to be arsed. This all should have been done a long time ago. --Deadtanian 15:33, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I have taken the liberty of removing some of these categories, rather randomly in Molebank, myself. They are an abuse of the wiki -- using locations categories as blatantly POV group advertising. As Karek correctly argues, the RRF basically owns Ridleybank... but they have not created a location category and spammed every single block with surreptitious RRF propaganda. The DHPD's presence and/or status in the suburb/DHMZ, and their tiff with the Dead, is all quite irrelevant to this matter. What is relevant is that the categories are POV spam. --WanYao 15:42, 4 April 2008 (BST)