UDWiki talk:Administration/Arbitration/Cheveyo vs Rosslessness

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Zerg

I'm willing to bet Ross is right... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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This will be an interesting case. Both sides seem to accuse the other of zerging--which is certainly an issue that will make it very difficult to find an un-biased arbitor for. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 09:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

You don't need to find an unbiased arbiter. Just one that they both agree to. Big difference. ;) —Aichon— 14:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I think if you want an unbiased arbitrator, you need to pick a volunteer at random, who has no invested interest in the wiki,... by that I mean, someone who's not directly involved, or doesn't seek to benifit from the politics revolving around the case, or wiki.... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 01:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Chev's initial argument

He's boned. --

07:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Yap. While I get some popcorn, did Ross ever even use any profanity or a hostile tone? Sure, confirmed zergs/cheats deserve it, but with Cheveyo being less-than-totally-confirmed I like how Ross stayed classy. At least, I can't see or remember anything unclassy. Other people, yeah, but that's not part of this case. Heh. --Bob Boberton TF / DW Littlemudkipsig.gif 08:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Bob pretty much said it. -- Adward  15:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

He's lying in his initial argument, I believe. When he says the zerg-accusation graffiti is nothing to do with him, that's a lie. I posted some circumstantial evidence on Hmm:talk:

Billy Forks said:
The evidence that you are responsible for the graffiti slandering Ross is circumstantial, but strong:
  • You had a quarrel with him over some other issue in some other suburb.
  • The graffiti specifies Ross, not by the name of his SFH alt, but as you've interacted with him before.
  • It started appearing at the same moment you arrived - your introductory post on the Knights Templar board saying 'lets attack SFHNAS' was 6th Jan., pretty much the same time as the graffiti started. (plus or minus a day or two, but we've never had zerging accusations sprayed round K'bank in the SFHNAS's 1.5-year history.)
  • You have a record of accusing people of zerging whenever you fight against them - Angels of Mercy, penguinpyro.
  • The graffiti contains... wait for it... your fingerprint ellipses: http://iamscott.net/1263988553566.html and http://iamscott.net/1263840501883.html.

Cheveyo ignored this, preferring ad hominem attacks. There is now evidence that he's still in the area, still putting up the same graffiti. Yesterday I resprayed our hospital with one of our recruiting tags, and today it's gone again: http://iamscott.net/1264408603864.html. The accusation is even worded the same as in his broadcast from Woodroffe Mall: http://img44.imageshack.us/i/whatisthisbr.jpg/ . Cheveyo is still in the area: http://iamscott.net/1264408944836.html Billy Forks 09:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that definitely seems more than suspect. Also, does anyone else consider Ross' offers of compromise to be too lenient? He's done nothing wrong, I see no reason to put up so much in compromise. Ross, odds are you'll emerge entirely unscathed, so there's not really any need to capitulate. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 11:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I second that. No reprieve for the zerging. --Bob Boberton TF / DW Littlemudkipsig.gif 15:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Ross is just being classy. It's just his way of making Chev look worse. --Penguinpyro 02:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

This case

Has nothing to do with zerging. This case is about the guidelines which Ross checked before he made the page. It's his userspace, so he can post what he wants in it. It doesn't matter if Chev IS a zerg, it doesn't matter if Ross IS a zerg. It doesn't matter if it's made to insult or defame him, because there's no policy against that. The only thing that matters is if Ross can keep the page.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

But it kind of is about zerging. Really, Cheveyo took offense at Ross calling him a zerg, and "slandering" him as one. Granted, Ross was smart enough to check the rules, and policies before he did anything. I say, good for him. He did what he was supposed to do, and was well within his rights to do what he did. However, the original argument from Cheveyo is about the claims made against him. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 16:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Ruling

+1, agreed. Cheveyo has no right to demand people remove such things from userpages.-- Adward  18:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Meh. It was always going to be the outcome, just needed to happen to finally shut him up. -- 01:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
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