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/me puts up another mark in the "reasons why users avoid dealing with the wiki" column.--Jorm 00:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- The problem is not that he banned a user for having a lewd name.--Karekmaps?! 01:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, the problem is that no one appears to have any common sense and thus pollutes the wiki with bullshit cases like this.--Jorm 02:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Meh, its not like any of us have anything better to do, right?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- No Jorm, that requires trust in the Moderators/SysOps, which we can't possibly ask for or have with the current promotions system, manner of promotions the 'crats run, and complete and utter lack of involvement on Kevan's part.--Karekmaps?! 04:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Attempting to shuffle the responsibility to not be stupid as someone else's fault does not absolve you of being an idiot.--Jorm 15:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Attempting to insult me to justify your point doesn't make you any more right.--Karekmaps?! 03:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- And yet, I am.--Jorm 03:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- If you think so little of me that you believe I'm making this simply because I have some vendetta against Conndraka just say it, instead of acting like this is some example of why users don't come to the wiki. --Karekmaps?! 06:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't care if you have a vendetta or not. I couldn't care less. I'm simply saying, "this bullshit here - this massive level of obvious political infighting and maneuvering through pointlessly complex bureaucratic waters by irritating, sue-happy people over what amounts to pathetically small stakes of power - that is what drives people away." And this stupid little case you brought up? A perfect fucking example of that. You may be Conn's bestest fucking friend for all I know. I don't care; this looks like a political maneuver.--Jorm 18:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- We trid to have a ignore all rules policy here, only to be taken down with this kind of thinking you complain about jorm... it's really sad the ammount of red tape one needs to handle to get one's job done. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 18:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well actually, in cases like this, the red tape would have been worth going through. When someone is having a shot at me, I deliberately try not to be the one to deal with them. A little red tape cuts down on the drama considerably... and I know which I'd rather deal with, myself -- boxy talk • i 12:43 28 March 2008 (BST)
- Well, i agre with you that this is a case where red tape is needed. But by not ruling on cases you are involved you just displayed the common sense jorm was talking about, and the same common sense that is needed with the Ignore All Rules policy. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 13:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well actually, in cases like this, the red tape would have been worth going through. When someone is having a shot at me, I deliberately try not to be the one to deal with them. A little red tape cuts down on the drama considerably... and I know which I'd rather deal with, myself -- boxy talk • i 12:43 28 March 2008 (BST)
- We trid to have a ignore all rules policy here, only to be taken down with this kind of thinking you complain about jorm... it's really sad the ammount of red tape one needs to handle to get one's job done. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 18:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't care if you have a vendetta or not. I couldn't care less. I'm simply saying, "this bullshit here - this massive level of obvious political infighting and maneuvering through pointlessly complex bureaucratic waters by irritating, sue-happy people over what amounts to pathetically small stakes of power - that is what drives people away." And this stupid little case you brought up? A perfect fucking example of that. You may be Conn's bestest fucking friend for all I know. I don't care; this looks like a political maneuver.--Jorm 18:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- If you think so little of me that you believe I'm making this simply because I have some vendetta against Conndraka just say it, instead of acting like this is some example of why users don't come to the wiki. --Karekmaps?! 06:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- And yet, I am.--Jorm 03:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Attempting to insult me to justify your point doesn't make you any more right.--Karekmaps?! 03:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Attempting to shuffle the responsibility to not be stupid as someone else's fault does not absolve you of being an idiot.--Jorm 15:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, the problem is that no one appears to have any common sense and thus pollutes the wiki with bullshit cases like this.--Jorm 02:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Considering how fast certain members of the sysop team put other equally trivial/technical things on A/VB (especially when their group is involved) it's nice to see that a couple of them also think they should be accountable to the same set of standards. Less overall/less biased moderation might be preferable but given the precedent for how the wiki is run right now technicalities do matter for regular users (and thus should matter for sysops) and there were more than a couple of them with Conndraka's speedy action here. Kevan's hands-off approach is too often given as a defense for whatever, but once again this week I'm pleasantly surprised that the rules still do matter to some here. --Riseabove 04:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
